Credit where it's due, JOB is excellent at nailing the bastards who exploit this country. If he winds up thick right-wingers in the orocess, well that's just icing.
Of course given Redwood is very much a right-wing member of the Establishment, the idea that you can't simply change the numbers you dislike for personal gain is probably an alien concept to him.
I used to listen to his show a lot but realised he only gets his researchers to allow lame ducks on who he can bully. Fed up with him insulting brexiters and like some on here blaming a rainy day on brexit. He got his job through his family connections and find him the least patriortic of all the lbc presenters. All the others are far more fair and give a better balanced view.
I emailed him last week and asked him why he doesn't get gerald lyons, liam halligan or moggy on his show. Naturally i am still waiting for a response.
Liam Halligan, eh? When he bigged up on Twitter that O'Brien should invite him on, I asked him when we punters get a chance to grill him. Especially when he's pushing a book on Brexit. Naturally I am still waiting for a response.
And I have had responses from him in the past. The first time when he made a shameful attack on Bill Browder, the guy who is standing up to Putin, live on R4.
He likes to present himself as a stroppy street-fighter who understands economics but its all mouth. I would quite fancy my chances taking him on, more than against some of the better Brexiteers on here.
Funny thing is, he sometimes takes positions which pleasantly surprise me. He keeps saying that May should have made the gesture right at the start that EU citizens would be able to stay, with rights unchanged. Did you know he says that, Chippy?
Who have you had responses from Halligan or 'O'Brien..
Halligan, but not re when we punters get to quiz him, as he claims he wants to quiz O'Brien.
I would rather pay to watch the Spanners than buy his book co-written with the "renowned" economistGerard Lyons, who is only renowned in the sense that he disagrees with the vast majority of really renowned economists on the likely effects of Brexit.
But if you would like to summarise their main arguments for us...?
So did you know about Halligan's position on EU citizens in the UK, Chippy? And do you agree with him?
Well I thought I would throw in some renowned economists seeing as I have to also read quotes from experts no-one has heard of every page...I don't know about halligans position on EU citizens and neither did you till you googled it.
Why do you argue in such an aggressive way? I know about his position on EU citizens because he tells people. That is his job. He wants people to know. I follow him on Twitter Aaaaargh.
So, I am curious, does he refer to this in his book? Clean Brexit must obviously resolve the issue of rights of EU citizens, and I seem to recall he said this first time soon after the referendum.
I don't argue in an aggressive way I return the favour in the tone that I think it has been sent to me.....
Well, up to you. I think you often start by attacking people who weren't "talking" to you in the first place, so as a result you may find people are not as polite to you. My issue for discussion here is not you, but Liam Halligan. I don't think he is as smart as he thinks he is, and he obviously thinks he is very smart.
As an example, this is what I would ask him if he was a radio phone-in host like O'Brien.
so, as you know Liam, EU citizens currently in the UK enjoy full recourse to the ECJ. If May had done what you propose (and I agree, she should have done) those citizens would remain under the ECJ jurisdiction. Is that what you intended, Liam? Because if she said they will no longer have ECJ recourse, then the offer would not have had the desired positive effect on the other side in the negotiations. Or are you Ok that they stay under the ECJ, Liam? Perhaps like me you agree that the ECJ really is not that big a deal for the vast majority of citizens be they born in Woking or Warsaw, because the ECJ has usually agreed with UK courts."
But I can't ask him, because he does not present himself in direct live contact with the ordinary punter, unlike James O'Brien. Yet on Twitter he makes out that O'Brien is the coward.
It's a pity because I like about 20% of Liam Halligan's outputs, whereas Redwood....
O'Brien filters his audience so he gets lame ducks on, he never ever allows most people to make their point, if they start getting the better of him he talks over them and then oh its the travel news....well he used to as I don't listen to him anymore, assume nothing has changed.
I am at work (still sorting crap out from earlier in the year) and twitter is banned so cant read any of those comments.
Whether you like it or not, those who vote to Leave need to come to terms with the fact the entire campaign was based on false statements and if it was run under normal election rules several of the most prominent campaigners would have been hauled in front of a judge for comments and statements made as part of an official campaign. MP's seats have been re-run for less. Those who orchestrated the campaign openly admitted that had normal election rules applied they would not have won the vote as polling showed false statements such as the 350m figure, the immigration levels and Turkey imminently joining the EU were key factors for the majority of those who voted Leave.
I apologise as I did generalise that all Brexiters were happy to be lied to. I know for one you are not.
Simply for balance; didnt Osborne state that if the leavers won the referendum, the financial position would be so dire that an immediate austrity budget would need to be put in place. Didnt this lie lead to his downfall....just asking
Whether you like it or not, those who vote to Leave need to come to terms with the fact the entire campaign was based on false statements and if it was run under normal election rules several of the most prominent campaigners would have been hauled in front of a judge for comments and statements made as part of an official campaign. MP's seats have been re-run for less. Those who orchestrated the campaign openly admitted that had normal election rules applied they would not have won the vote as polling showed false statements such as the 350m figure, the immigration levels and Turkey imminently joining the EU were key factors for the majority of those who voted Leave.
I apologise as I did generalise that all Brexiters were happy to be lied to. I know for one you are not.
Simply for balance; didnt Osborne state that if the leavers won the referendum, the financial position would be so dire that an immediate austrity budget would need to be put in place. Didnt this lie lead to his downfall....just asking
Wasn't really a lie; the UK economy has been much weaker than where it was the day before the referendum. The number of people dying due to poverty related reasons has not been this high in modern British history.
I know Brexiters like to bang on about how the Remain campaign lied as much as the Leave campaign but this simply isn't true. Every claim that the Leave campaign made to win over the sizeable majority of Remainers over to their sorry, pathetic cause was a lie. The same cannot be said of vice versa.
Whether you like it or not, those who vote to Leave need to come to terms with the fact the entire campaign was based on false statements and if it was run under normal election rules several of the most prominent campaigners would have been hauled in front of a judge for comments and statements made as part of an official campaign. MP's seats have been re-run for less. Those who orchestrated the campaign openly admitted that had normal election rules applied they would not have won the vote as polling showed false statements such as the 350m figure, the immigration levels and Turkey imminently joining the EU were key factors for the majority of those who voted Leave.
I apologise as I did generalise that all Brexiters were happy to be lied to. I know for one you are not.
Simply for balance; didnt Osborne state that if the leavers won the referendum, the financial position would be so dire that an immediate austrity budget would need to be put in place. Didnt this lie lead to his downfall....just asking
Wasn't really a lie; the UK economy has been much weaker than where it was the day before the referendum. The number of people dying due to poverty related reasons has not been this high in modern British history.
I know Brexiters like to bang on about how the Remain campaign lied as much as the Leave campaign but this simply isn't true. Every claim that the Leave campaign made to win over the sizeable majority of Remainers over to their sorry, pathetic cause was a lie. The same cannot be said of vice versa.
But the "austerity budget" wasnt implemented and Osborne wasnt retained as Chancellor. They are facts.
Credit where it's due, JOB is excellent at nailing the bastards who exploit this country. If he winds up thick right-wingers in the orocess, well that's just icing.
Of course given Redwood is very much a right-wing member of the Establishment, the idea that you can't simply change the numbers you dislike for personal gain is probably an alien concept to him.
I used to listen to his show a lot but realised he only gets his researchers to allow lame ducks on who he can bully. Fed up with him insulting brexiters and like some on here blaming a rainy day on brexit. He got his job through his family connections and find him the least patriortic of all the lbc presenters. All the others are far more fair and give a better balanced view.
I emailed him last week and asked him why he doesn't get gerald lyons, liam halligan or moggy on his show. Naturally i am still waiting for a response.
How are you measuring patriotism ?
By what i do, the fact that i represent the uk in that and i am proud of my british values. End of story.
And what are “British values” exactly ? Are they better than French or German or Polish ?
Can everybody take a breath? Text is literally the worst format to argue in as you can assume the tone of the message. The most reasonable sentence can sound completely different if you assume aggression or sarcasm.
Please try and read these messages as dispassionately as possible and react to the word written not the supposed tone, whether implied or imagined.
Whether you like it or not, those who vote to Leave need to come to terms with the fact the entire campaign was based on false statements and if it was run under normal election rules several of the most prominent campaigners would have been hauled in front of a judge for comments and statements made as part of an official campaign. MP's seats have been re-run for less. Those who orchestrated the campaign openly admitted that had normal election rules applied they would not have won the vote as polling showed false statements such as the 350m figure, the immigration levels and Turkey imminently joining the EU were key factors for the majority of those who voted Leave.
I apologise as I did generalise that all Brexiters were happy to be lied to. I know for one you are not.
Simply for balance; didnt Osborne state that if the leavers won the referendum, the financial position would be so dire that an immediate austrity budget would need to be put in place. Didnt this lie lead to his downfall....just asking
Wasn't really a lie; the UK economy has been much weaker than where it was the day before the referendum. The number of people dying due to poverty related reasons has not been this high in modern British history.
I know Brexiters like to bang on about how the Remain campaign lied as much as the Leave campaign but this simply isn't true. Every claim that the Leave campaign made to win over the sizeable majority of Remainers over to their sorry, pathetic cause was a lie. The same cannot be said of vice versa.
But the "austerity budget" wasnt implemented and Osborne wasnt retained as Chancellor. They are facts.
Here's another fact: the current Chancellor is specifically refusing to increase spending due to Brexit. I'm pretty sure that fulfils the criteria of an austerity budget.
Credit where it's due, JOB is excellent at nailing the bastards who exploit this country. If he winds up thick right-wingers in the orocess, well that's just icing.
Of course given Redwood is very much a right-wing member of the Establishment, the idea that you can't simply change the numbers you dislike for personal gain is probably an alien concept to him.
I used to listen to his show a lot but realised he only gets his researchers to allow lame ducks on who he can bully. Fed up with him insulting brexiters and like some on here blaming a rainy day on brexit. He got his job through his family connections and find him the least patriortic of all the lbc presenters. All the others are far more fair and give a better balanced view.
I emailed him last week and asked him why he doesn't get gerald lyons, liam halligan or moggy on his show. Naturally i am still waiting for a response.
How are you measuring patriotism ?
By what i do, the fact that i represent the uk in that and i am proud of my british values. End of story.
And what are “British values” exactly ? Are they better than French or German or Polish ?
Can everybody take a breath? Text is literally the worst format to argue in as you can assume the tone of the message. The most reasonable sentence can sound completely different if you assume aggression or sarcasm.
Please try and read these messages as dispassionately as possible and react to the word written not the supposed tone, whether implied or imagined.
Sure. Good point, well made
That only seems to be the case since Mutley had his pants pulled down.
Not sure I remember anyone jumping to the statistical defence of any leaver over any 'fact' they've posted.
Mutley makes a claim and all of a sudden ranks are closed and no explanation is deemed necessary over a, what most would consider a minor issue, contentious claim.
Imagine the knicker twistery that would ensue if a leaver had made a statistical claim, refused to back it up and claimed it was fact.
This coming from remain voter.
Massive hypocrisy at work here.
AFKA had it pretty much right and Mutleys silence speaks volumes.
Can everybody take a breath? Text is literally the worst format to argue in as you can assume the tone of the message. The most reasonable sentence can sound completely different if you assume aggression or sarcasm.
Please try and read these messages as dispassionately as possible and react to the word written not the supposed tone, whether implied or imagined.
Who you telling to take a breath, like it's an order?
Whether you like it or not, those who vote to Leave need to come to terms with the fact the entire campaign was based on false statements and if it was run under normal election rules several of the most prominent campaigners would have been hauled in front of a judge for comments and statements made as part of an official campaign. MP's seats have been re-run for less. Those who orchestrated the campaign openly admitted that had normal election rules applied they would not have won the vote as polling showed false statements such as the 350m figure, the immigration levels and Turkey imminently joining the EU were key factors for the majority of those who voted Leave.
I apologise as I did generalise that all Brexiters were happy to be lied to. I know for one you are not.
Simply for balance; didnt Osborne state that if the leavers won the referendum, the financial position would be so dire that an immediate austrity budget would need to be put in place. Didnt this lie lead to his downfall....just asking
Wasn't really a lie; the UK economy has been much weaker than where it was the day before the referendum. The number of people dying due to poverty related reasons has not been this high in modern British history.
I know Brexiters like to bang on about how the Remain campaign lied as much as the Leave campaign but this simply isn't true. Every claim that the Leave campaign made to win over the sizeable majority of Remainers over to their sorry, pathetic cause was a lie. The same cannot be said of vice versa.
But the "austerity budget" wasnt implemented and Osborne wasnt retained as Chancellor. They are facts.
I agree with you Peter. One of the worst aspects of the referendum for committed Europhiles like me was that we were being 'represented' by Cameron and Osborne. The latter went way over the top, because he is an unscrupulous politician. He damaged the Remain argument, and was partly responsible for the scepticism about "facts".
More reasonable people understood that of course you cannot throw a large economy, growing at 2%, into full reverse in one quarter based on a vote alone. The only practical reason for a reverse would be a gradual loss of business and consumer confidence. It gives me no pleasure whatsoever (because most of my savings and future pension are UK based) to observe that this has now come to pass. I think we will be lucky if we see GDP growth this year topping 1.0%, while nearly all EU countries are seeing GDP improvements. Here in CZ we are seeing an unprecedented screaming shortage of people at every level. Every other shop window has a notice saying "we are looking for..".
Whether you like it or not, those who vote to Leave need to come to terms with the fact the entire campaign was based on false statements and if it was run under normal election rules several of the most prominent campaigners would have been hauled in front of a judge for comments and statements made as part of an official campaign. MP's seats have been re-run for less. Those who orchestrated the campaign openly admitted that had normal election rules applied they would not have won the vote as polling showed false statements such as the 350m figure, the immigration levels and Turkey imminently joining the EU were key factors for the majority of those who voted Leave.
I apologise as I did generalise that all Brexiters were happy to be lied to. I know for one you are not.
Simply for balance; didnt Osborne state that if the leavers won the referendum, the financial position would be so dire that an immediate austrity budget would need to be put in place. Didnt this lie lead to his downfall....just asking
Wasn't really a lie; the UK economy has been much weaker than where it was the day before the referendum. The number of people dying due to poverty related reasons has not been this high in modern British history.
I know Brexiters like to bang on about how the Remain campaign lied as much as the Leave campaign but this simply isn't true. Every claim that the Leave campaign made to win over the sizeable majority of Remainers over to their sorry, pathetic cause was a lie. The same cannot be said of vice versa.
But the "austerity budget" wasnt implemented and Osborne wasnt retained as Chancellor. They are facts.
I also seem to recall stories of an immediate recession and thousands of immediate job losses, tax rises, no more Horizon 2020 funding. The same can't be said vice versa eh?
Whether you like it or not, those who vote to Leave need to come to terms with the fact the entire campaign was based on false statements and if it was run under normal election rules several of the most prominent campaigners would have been hauled in front of a judge for comments and statements made as part of an official campaign. MP's seats have been re-run for less. Those who orchestrated the campaign openly admitted that had normal election rules applied they would not have won the vote as polling showed false statements such as the 350m figure, the immigration levels and Turkey imminently joining the EU were key factors for the majority of those who voted Leave.
I apologise as I did generalise that all Brexiters were happy to be lied to. I know for one you are not.
Simply for balance; didnt Osborne state that if the leavers won the referendum, the financial position would be so dire that an immediate austrity budget would need to be put in place. Didnt this lie lead to his downfall....just asking
Surely any predictions made by Osbourne at the time were based on the premise, as stated repeatedly by Cameron, that Article 50 would be trigger the day after the referendum, not 9 months later after the BoE had battled to shore up the falling pound.
Many of the predictions made before the vote have come true, in full or in part, I'm not sure what has to happen to convince peopel that they were valid, short of the UK economy completely collapsing.
To a certain extent it doesn't matter if they come true. You're warned not to swim in cold water with strong tides because you could die of hypothermia, or you could drown. Just because you jumped in and didn't die doesn't mean those warnings weren't valid, that they were some sort of pessimistic "project fear". A warning can be perfectly valid and not actually happen every time.
Whether you like it or not, those who vote to Leave need to come to terms with the fact the entire campaign was based on false statements and if it was run under normal election rules several of the most prominent campaigners would have been hauled in front of a judge for comments and statements made as part of an official campaign. MP's seats have been re-run for less. Those who orchestrated the campaign openly admitted that had normal election rules applied they would not have won the vote as polling showed false statements such as the 350m figure, the immigration levels and Turkey imminently joining the EU were key factors for the majority of those who voted Leave.
I apologise as I did generalise that all Brexiters were happy to be lied to. I know for one you are not.
Simply for balance; didnt Osborne state that if the leavers won the referendum, the financial position would be so dire that an immediate austrity budget would need to be put in place. Didnt this lie lead to his downfall....just asking
Wasn't really a lie; the UK economy has been much weaker than where it was the day before the referendum. The number of people dying due to poverty related reasons has not been this high in modern British history.
I know Brexiters like to bang on about how the Remain campaign lied as much as the Leave campaign but this simply isn't true. Every claim that the Leave campaign made to win over the sizeable majority of Remainers over to their sorry, pathetic cause was a lie. The same cannot be said of vice versa.
But the "austerity budget" wasnt implemented and Osborne wasnt retained as Chancellor. They are facts.
I also seem to recall stories of an immediate recession and thousands of immediate job losses, tax rises, no more Horizon 2020 funding. The same can't be said vice versa eh?
That was not the view of most serious economists or economically literate commentators, for reasons I described just before you posted.
What comments do you have on the GDP performance of the UK this year, when compared with the EU 27?
How will the UK deal with the issues which confront most ordinary people, such as the creaking NHS, the collapse of the elderly care system, the struggling transport infrastructure, when tax revenues will be below budget due to GDP being below budget because of the referendum result?
Whether you like it or not, those who vote to Leave need to come to terms with the fact the entire campaign was based on false statements and if it was run under normal election rules several of the most prominent campaigners would have been hauled in front of a judge for comments and statements made as part of an official campaign. MP's seats have been re-run for less. Those who orchestrated the campaign openly admitted that had normal election rules applied they would not have won the vote as polling showed false statements such as the 350m figure, the immigration levels and Turkey imminently joining the EU were key factors for the majority of those who voted Leave.
I apologise as I did generalise that all Brexiters were happy to be lied to. I know for one you are not.
Simply for balance; didnt Osborne state that if the leavers won the referendum, the financial position would be so dire that an immediate austrity budget would need to be put in place. Didnt this lie lead to his downfall....just asking
Surely any predictions made by Osbourne at the time were based on the premise, as stated repeatedly by Cameron, that Article 50 would be trigger the day after the referendum, not 9 months later after the BoE had battled to shore up the falling pound.
Many of the predictions made before the vote have come true, in full or in part, I'm not sure what has to happen to convince peopel that they were valid, short of the UK economy completely collapsing.
To a certain extent it doesn't matter if they come true. You're warned not to swim in cold water with strong tides because you could die of hypothermia, or you could drown. Just because you jumped in and didn't die doesn't mean those warnings weren't valid, that they were some sort of pessimistic "project fear". A warning can be perfectly valid and not actually happen every time.
Please can you tell me how the BoE has shored up sterling since June 23rd 2016 ?
Whether you like it or not, those who vote to Leave need to come to terms with the fact the entire campaign was based on false statements and if it was run under normal election rules several of the most prominent campaigners would have been hauled in front of a judge for comments and statements made as part of an official campaign. MP's seats have been re-run for less. Those who orchestrated the campaign openly admitted that had normal election rules applied they would not have won the vote as polling showed false statements such as the 350m figure, the immigration levels and Turkey imminently joining the EU were key factors for the majority of those who voted Leave.
I apologise as I did generalise that all Brexiters were happy to be lied to. I know for one you are not.
Simply for balance; didnt Osborne state that if the leavers won the referendum, the financial position would be so dire that an immediate austrity budget would need to be put in place. Didnt this lie lead to his downfall....just asking
Wasn't really a lie; the UK economy has been much weaker than where it was the day before the referendum. The number of people dying due to poverty related reasons has not been this high in modern British history.
I know Brexiters like to bang on about how the Remain campaign lied as much as the Leave campaign but this simply isn't true. Every claim that the Leave campaign made to win over the sizeable majority of Remainers over to their sorry, pathetic cause was a lie. The same cannot be said of vice versa.
But the "austerity budget" wasnt implemented and Osborne wasnt retained as Chancellor. They are facts.
I also seem to recall stories of an immediate recession and thousands of immediate job losses, tax rises, no more Horizon 2020 funding. The same can't be said vice versa eh?
That was not the view of most serious economists or economically literate commentators, for reasons I described just before you posted.
Maybe not PA & obviously what you say is bang on about the reversal but it was still widely reported by Osborne and others that this would be the case. Some idiots would believe this, just like other idiots believed we would plough 350m a week into the NHS. I was merely addressing the point that little fishy made about all the lies coming from one side.
The points I made were not predictions, they were things we were told would happen by some, but did not. Therefore they were lying. Just that some are to set in their own views to see this.
As for the NHS & struggling transport, with no more EU Membership payments, we'll plough about 165mil a week into it
Whether you like it or not, those who vote to Leave need to come to terms with the fact the entire campaign was based on false statements and if it was run under normal election rules several of the most prominent campaigners would have been hauled in front of a judge for comments and statements made as part of an official campaign. MP's seats have been re-run for less. Those who orchestrated the campaign openly admitted that had normal election rules applied they would not have won the vote as polling showed false statements such as the 350m figure, the immigration levels and Turkey imminently joining the EU were key factors for the majority of those who voted Leave.
I apologise as I did generalise that all Brexiters were happy to be lied to. I know for one you are not.
Simply for balance; didnt Osborne state that if the leavers won the referendum, the financial position would be so dire that an immediate austrity budget would need to be put in place. Didnt this lie lead to his downfall....just asking
Surely any predictions made by Osbourne at the time were based on the premise, as stated repeatedly by Cameron, that Article 50 would be trigger the day after the referendum, not 9 months later after the BoE had battled to shore up the falling pound.
Many of the predictions made before the vote have come true, in full or in part, I'm not sure what has to happen to convince peopel that they were valid, short of the UK economy completely collapsing.
To a certain extent it doesn't matter if they come true. You're warned not to swim in cold water with strong tides because you could die of hypothermia, or you could drown. Just because you jumped in and didn't die doesn't mean those warnings weren't valid, that they were some sort of pessimistic "project fear". A warning can be perfectly valid and not actually happen every time.
Please can you tell me how the BoE has shored up sterling since June 23rd 2016 ?
£26 billion worth of quantitative easing in second half of 2016 from a scheme the was supposed to only provide £10 billions worth of investment would be one thing the bank did post brexit to stabilise interests rates and the wider economy
Whether you like it or not, those who vote to Leave need to come to terms with the fact the entire campaign was based on false statements and if it was run under normal election rules several of the most prominent campaigners would have been hauled in front of a judge for comments and statements made as part of an official campaign. MP's seats have been re-run for less. Those who orchestrated the campaign openly admitted that had normal election rules applied they would not have won the vote as polling showed false statements such as the 350m figure, the immigration levels and Turkey imminently joining the EU were key factors for the majority of those who voted Leave.
I apologise as I did generalise that all Brexiters were happy to be lied to. I know for one you are not.
Simply for balance; didnt Osborne state that if the leavers won the referendum, the financial position would be so dire that an immediate austrity budget would need to be put in place. Didnt this lie lead to his downfall....just asking
Wasn't really a lie; the UK economy has been much weaker than where it was the day before the referendum. The number of people dying due to poverty related reasons has not been this high in modern British history.
I know Brexiters like to bang on about how the Remain campaign lied as much as the Leave campaign but this simply isn't true. Every claim that the Leave campaign made to win over the sizeable majority of Remainers over to their sorry, pathetic cause was a lie. The same cannot be said of vice versa.
But the "austerity budget" wasnt implemented and Osborne wasnt retained as Chancellor. They are facts.
I also seem to recall stories of an immediate recession and thousands of immediate job losses, tax rises, no more Horizon 2020 funding. The same can't be said vice versa eh?
That was not the view of most serious economists or economically literate commentators, for reasons I described just before you posted.
Maybe not PA & obviously what you say is bang on about the reversal but it was still widely reported by Osborne and others that this would be the case. Some idiots would believe this, just like other idiots believed we would plough 350m a week into the NHS. I was merely addressing the point that little fishy made about all the lies coming from one side.
The points I made were not predictions, they were things we were told would happen by some, but did not. Therefore they were lying. Just that some are to set in their own views to see this.
As for the NHS & struggling transport, with no more EU Membership payments, we'll plough about 165mil a week into it
Your polarising yourself with this lot mate , they will just ask you ridiculous questions (after trolling) for answers they didn't know pre trolling. One berk keeps highlighting my grammar mistakes and then says the word methinks.
If that's directed at me chippy then I suggest your spelling, grammar and vocabulary all need attention ;0)
Of course it is.. But your the only berk that picks it up.. And your worse than anyone else... So define spirit for me please.
Whether you like it or not, those who vote to Leave need to come to terms with the fact the entire campaign was based on false statements and if it was run under normal election rules several of the most prominent campaigners would have been hauled in front of a judge for comments and statements made as part of an official campaign. MP's seats have been re-run for less. Those who orchestrated the campaign openly admitted that had normal election rules applied they would not have won the vote as polling showed false statements such as the 350m figure, the immigration levels and Turkey imminently joining the EU were key factors for the majority of those who voted Leave.
I apologise as I did generalise that all Brexiters were happy to be lied to. I know for one you are not.
Simply for balance; didnt Osborne state that if the leavers won the referendum, the financial position would be so dire that an immediate austrity budget would need to be put in place. Didnt this lie lead to his downfall....just asking
Wasn't really a lie; the UK economy has been much weaker than where it was the day before the referendum. The number of people dying due to poverty related reasons has not been this high in modern British history.
I know Brexiters like to bang on about how the Remain campaign lied as much as the Leave campaign but this simply isn't true. Every claim that the Leave campaign made to win over the sizeable majority of Remainers over to their sorry, pathetic cause was a lie. The same cannot be said of vice versa.
But the "austerity budget" wasnt implemented and Osborne wasnt retained as Chancellor. They are facts.
I also seem to recall stories of an immediate recession and thousands of immediate job losses, tax rises, no more Horizon 2020 funding. The same can't be said vice versa eh?
That was not the view of most serious economists or economically literate commentators, for reasons I described just before you posted.
Maybe not PA & obviously what you say is bang on about the reversal but it was still widely reported by Osborne and others that this would be the case. Some idiots would believe this, just like other idiots believed we would plough 350m a week into the NHS. I was merely addressing the point that little fishy made about all the lies coming from one side.
The points I made were not predictions, they were things we were told would happen by some, but did not. Therefore they were lying. Just that some are to set in their own views to see this.
As for the NHS & struggling transport, with no more EU Membership payments, we'll plough about 165mil a week into it
Your polarising yourself with this lot mate , they will just ask you ridiculous questions (after trolling) for answers they didn't know pre trolling. One berk keeps highlighting my grammar mistakes and then says the word methinks.
If that's directed at me chippy then I suggest your spelling, grammar and vocabulary all need attention ;0)
Of course it is.. But your the only berk that picks it up.. And your worse than anyone else... So define spirit for me please.
Whether you like it or not, those who vote to Leave need to come to terms with the fact the entire campaign was based on false statements and if it was run under normal election rules several of the most prominent campaigners would have been hauled in front of a judge for comments and statements made as part of an official campaign. MP's seats have been re-run for less. Those who orchestrated the campaign openly admitted that had normal election rules applied they would not have won the vote as polling showed false statements such as the 350m figure, the immigration levels and Turkey imminently joining the EU were key factors for the majority of those who voted Leave.
I apologise as I did generalise that all Brexiters were happy to be lied to. I know for one you are not.
Simply for balance; didnt Osborne state that if the leavers won the referendum, the financial position would be so dire that an immediate austrity budget would need to be put in place. Didnt this lie lead to his downfall....just asking
Wasn't really a lie; the UK economy has been much weaker than where it was the day before the referendum. The number of people dying due to poverty related reasons has not been this high in modern British history.
I know Brexiters like to bang on about how the Remain campaign lied as much as the Leave campaign but this simply isn't true. Every claim that the Leave campaign made to win over the sizeable majority of Remainers over to their sorry, pathetic cause was a lie. The same cannot be said of vice versa.
But the "austerity budget" wasnt implemented and Osborne wasnt retained as Chancellor. They are facts.
I agree with you Peter. One of the worst aspects of the referendum for committed Europhiles like me was that we were being 'represented' by Cameron and Osborne. The latter went way over the top, because he is an unscrupulous politician. He damaged the Remain argument, and was partly responsible for the scepticism about "facts".
More reasonable people understood that of course you cannot throw a large economy, growing at 2%, into full reverse in one quarter based on a vote alone. The only practical reason for a reverse would be a gradual loss of business and consumer confidence. It gives me no pleasure whatsoever (because most of my savings and future pension are UK based) to observe that this has now come to pass. I think we will be lucky if we see GDP growth this year topping 1.0%, while nearly all EU countries are seeing GDP improvements. Here in CZ we are seeing an unprecedented screaming shortage of people at every level. Every other shop window has a notice saying "we are looking for..".
What a mess.
And the same went for the leave campaign under Gove and Boris and I voted leave and would still vote leave now!
At least we are still gaining growth (which is more than the recession we faced under the Brown years) but I accept their is going to be a lot of uncertainty with leaving the EU. Having said that their is talk of interest rates rising which which means more spending money for savers.
Out of interest and a little off topic, what difference has it been for CZ since the split between Slovakia and CZ?
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I am at work (still sorting crap out from earlier in the year) and twitter is banned so cant read any of those comments.
I know Brexiters like to bang on about how the Remain campaign lied as much as the Leave campaign but this simply isn't true. Every claim that the Leave campaign made to win over the sizeable majority of Remainers over to their sorry, pathetic cause was a lie. The same cannot be said of vice versa.
Yes, yes they are.
Not sure I remember anyone jumping to the statistical defence of any leaver over any 'fact' they've posted.
Mutley makes a claim and all of a sudden ranks are closed and no explanation is deemed necessary over a, what most would consider a minor issue, contentious claim.
Imagine the knicker twistery that would ensue if a leaver had made a statistical claim, refused to back it up and claimed it was fact.
This coming from remain voter.
Massive hypocrisy at work here.
AFKA had it pretty much right and Mutleys silence speaks volumes.
You want some? I give it ya
More reasonable people understood that of course you cannot throw a large economy, growing at 2%, into full reverse in one quarter based on a vote alone. The only practical reason for a reverse would be a gradual loss of business and consumer confidence. It gives me no pleasure whatsoever (because most of my savings and future pension are UK based) to observe that this has now come to pass. I think we will be lucky if we see GDP growth this year topping 1.0%, while nearly all EU countries are seeing GDP improvements. Here in CZ we are seeing an unprecedented screaming shortage of people at every level. Every other shop window has a notice saying "we are looking for..".
What a mess.
Many of the predictions made before the vote have come true, in full or in part, I'm not sure what has to happen to convince peopel that they were valid, short of the UK economy completely collapsing.
To a certain extent it doesn't matter if they come true. You're warned not to swim in cold water with strong tides because you could die of hypothermia, or you could drown. Just because you jumped in and didn't die doesn't mean those warnings weren't valid, that they were some sort of pessimistic "project fear". A warning can be perfectly valid and not actually happen every time.
What comments do you have on the GDP performance of the UK this year, when compared with the EU 27?
How will the UK deal with the issues which confront most ordinary people, such as the creaking NHS, the collapse of the elderly care system, the struggling transport infrastructure, when tax revenues will be below budget due to GDP being below budget because of the referendum result?
The points I made were not predictions, they were things we were told would happen by some, but did not. Therefore they were lying. Just that some are to set in their own views to see this.
As for the NHS & struggling transport, with no more EU Membership payments, we'll plough about 165mil a week into it
We'll need that money for border controls.
''while nearly all EU countries are seeing GDP improvements''.
Can you name some for me please?
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2017/jun/08/uk-economy-falls-to-bottom-of-eu-growth-league
Ridiculous question, this data is freely available and has been well publicised.
Once Corbyn and Co. get to work these UK GDP figures will look world class.
It's how it's divvied up that counts.
I think that's where Corbyn and co want to influence things.
Oh please.
At least we are still gaining growth (which is more than the recession we faced under the Brown years) but I accept their is going to be a lot of uncertainty with leaving the EU. Having said that their is talk of interest rates rising which which means more spending money for savers.
Out of interest and a little off topic, what difference has it been for CZ since the split between Slovakia and CZ?