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The influence of the EU on Britain.

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  • I said this months ago but nobody on the leave side responded. If you don't want parliament to have a say in the exit terms then you're placing 100% faith in Davis and May to get a good deal. I have to wonder what they have done to prove worthy of such trust.

    Who else would you suggest to implement Brexit ?
  • I said this months ago but nobody on the leave side responded. If you don't want parliament to have a say in the exit terms then you're placing 100% faith in Davis and May to get a good deal. I have to wonder what they have done to prove worthy of such trust.

    Who else would you suggest to implement Brexit ?
    That would depend on what brexit means.
  • Well - hopefully it means and end to this:

    bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42354864
  • UK’s biggest international banks are set to move fewer than 4,600 jobs from London in preparation for Brexit — just 6 per cent of their total workforce in the financial centre — according to Financial Times research.

    The FT analysis contrasts with consultants’ original claims that tens of thousands of jobs could move from London after Brexit — including an EY study this week that claimed 10,500 could leave on “day one”.

    The FT estimates are based on public statements by 15 of the UK’s biggest international institutions, interviews of more than a dozen senior bank executives about Brexit planning and industry benchmarks.

    In the case of Deutsche Bank, where Sylvie Matherat, head of regulation, publicly said up to 4,000 jobs could move, the FT estimates that just 350 jobs may leave by April 2019. The figure amounts to 5 per cent of Deutsche’s London headcount, a proportion broadly in line with other big banks.

    https://linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6347074495001427968
  • Well - hopefully it means and end to this:

    bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42354864

    There are many many rough sleepers who are British ex-servicepeople. About 7000 at the last count.
  • Well - hopefully it means and end to this:

    bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42354864

    What a great country we've become. The way we treat rough sleepers is callous in the extreme, if they're British then buy them a one way train tickets, if they're foreign the a one way plane ticket. Anything to make it somebody else's problem.
  • The article refers specifically to "the deportation of EU rough sleepers". there is no mention of British ex-servicemen.

    You are quite right of course, and the sooner we have available housing and support services brought on by reduced migration - the better for those ex-squaddies.
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  • edited December 2017
    stonemuse said:

    UK’s biggest international banks are set to move fewer than 4,600 jobs from London in preparation for Brexit — just 6 per cent of their total workforce in the financial centre — according to Financial Times research.

    The FT analysis contrasts with consultants’ original claims that tens of thousands of jobs could move from London after Brexit — including an EY study this week that claimed 10,500 could leave on “day one”.

    The FT estimates are based on public statements by 15 of the UK’s biggest international institutions, interviews of more than a dozen senior bank executives about Brexit planning and industry benchmarks.

    In the case of Deutsche Bank, where Sylvie Matherat, head of regulation, publicly said up to 4,000 jobs could move, the FT estimates that just 350 jobs may leave by April 2019. The figure amounts to 5 per cent of Deutsche’s London headcount, a proportion broadly in line with other big banks.

    https://linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6347074495001427968

    I hope that the FT is right.

    Not having read the article, I don't know whether they are factoring in a transitional period in their calculations. But it seems to reflect reasons, as young Mr. Dury used to claim, to be cheerful - though (IMHO) the nature of the future relationship is so opaque that I would not count on the premises of any of the predictions on staffing.

    Deutsche Bank, and other big EU banks, have less need to move staff for the simple reason that they already have EU passporting rights and real HQs within the EU27 - I'd be interested to see what the percentages would be for Japanese and US banks, etc. There's also a potential whereby new recruitment would be focussed in the EU27 and banks gradually restructure by a process of natural wastage.

    But, like I say, it's better for the UK if jobs stay, and I hope the FT's right.
  • Southbank said:

    Stig said:

    The sovereignty argument was the biggest red herring in the whole of the Brexit referendum. A bigger red herring even than my avatar. The fact that Brexiteers were happy for a govt clique, putting party interests before national interests, to stifle parliamentary democracy clearly demonstrates what a nonsense it was. Well done to those MPs who took back control.

    Superbly put. Anyone trotting out the sovereignty line and then arguing against parliamentary scrutiny is being disingenuous.
    When we Leavers talk about taking back control we mean from the EU bureaucracy. When you Remainers talk about taking back control you mean from the British people.

    That is the difference between us.
    I think you should speak for yourself rather than use the collective 'we leavers'. I'm a leaver and don't agree with your statement at all.

    Parliament controls the country with the blessing of the British people through elections. What happened yesterday was democracy in action, and will prove to be a very important part of our leaving the EU.

    This isn't going to affect us leaving, but it will ensure that the government doesn't just fudge these negotiations and say 'oh well'.
    If you are right then is it not strangely coincidental that the result was welcomed by everybody who opposes Brexit?. Sometimes you have to look beyond the surface of things to understand their meaning. In this case what was formally a democratic decision was actually an anti-Brexit and therefore anti-democratic one.
  • seth plum said:

    The article refers specifically to "the deportation of EU rough sleepers". there is no mention of British ex-servicemen.

    You are quite right of course, and the sooner we have available housing and support services brought on by reduced migration - the better for those ex-squaddies.

    I would've thought those ex-servicepeople ought to get support now, not have to wait for reduced migration.
    Country is packed i'm afraid - it's a bit like waiting for a bus, you just have to wait until the rush has died down in order to get a seat.
  • edited December 2017

    seth plum said:

    The article refers specifically to "the deportation of EU rough sleepers". there is no mention of British ex-servicemen.

    You are quite right of course, and the sooner we have available housing and support services brought on by reduced migration - the better for those ex-squaddies.

    I would've thought those ex-servicepeople ought to get support now, not have to wait for reduced migration.
    Country is packed i'm afraid - it's a bit like waiting for a bus, you just have to wait until the rush has died down in order to get a seat.
    I would be more worried about the strain on services caused by British pensioners returning home from Spain. The impact on the already stretched NHS could be enormous, especially if coupled with a reduction in EU staff.

    https://theconversation.com/british-pensioners-in-spain-worry-brexit-could-force-them-to-return-to-uk-74329
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    seth plum said:

    The article refers specifically to "the deportation of EU rough sleepers". there is no mention of British ex-servicemen.

    You are quite right of course, and the sooner we have available housing and support services brought on by reduced migration - the better for those ex-squaddies.

    I would've thought those ex-servicepeople ought to get support now, not have to wait for reduced migration.
    Country is packed i'm afraid - it's a bit like waiting for a bus, you just have to wait until the rush has died down in order to get a seat.
    I would be more worried about the strain on services caused by British pensioners returning home from Spain. The impact on the already stretched NHS could be enormous, especially if coupled with a reduction in EU staff.

    https://theconversation.com/british-pensioners-in-spain-worry-brexit-could-force-them-to-return-to-uk-74329
    Hasn't Spain already given an indication of "no change" ? - I thought I had read that somewhere, but maybe not.

    In any case, we currently have 300 (net) EU migrants coming permanently to the UK every DAY, so if the 1.5m Brits in Europe do decide to return to UK we will probably be quits in about 10 years (assuming equal life-expectancy). Not forgetting that these folk can return at any time - Brexit or no Brexit, so the issue is not a new one.

    We half almost full employment but can offer NHS jobs to as many EU citizens (and Non-EU) as we see fit as/should the need arise.

    That's why we need to hurry up with Brexit and reduce the queues at Tesco.
  • MP's Representing their constituents.

    Sir Oliver Heald = 51.4% voted leave.
    Jonathan Djanogly = 53.4% voted leave.
    Anna Sourpuss = 52.5% vpted leave.
    Nicky (eyes) Morgan = 50% voted leave.
    Antoinette Sandbach = 52.2% voted leave.
    Sarah Wollaston = 54.1 voted leave.

    Should all join Jeremy and get Catweazle elected!
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  • MP's Representing their constituents.

    Sir Oliver Heald = 51.4% voted leave.
    Jonathan Djanogly = 53.4% voted leave.
    Anna Sourpuss = 52.5% vpted leave.
    Nicky (eyes) Morgan = 50% voted leave.
    Antoinette Sandbach = 52.2% voted leave.
    Sarah Wollaston = 54.1 voted leave.

    Should all join Jeremy and get Catweazle elected!

    Theresa May = 53.9% voted to remain a higher % than all the above as you have Sarah Wollaston in the wrong constituency. She is in Totnes/South Hams which was 52.9% remain.
  • MP's Representing their constituents.

    Sir Oliver Heald = 51.4% voted leave.
    Jonathan Djanogly = 53.4% voted leave.
    Anna Sourpuss = 52.5% vpted leave.
    Nicky (eyes) Morgan = 50% voted leave.
    Antoinette Sandbach = 52.2% voted leave.
    Sarah Wollaston = 54.1 voted leave.

    Should all join Jeremy and get Catweazle elected!

    It wasn't a vote for Pro or against Brexit, mighty close vote though, one benefit of the last election.
  • The article refers specifically to "the deportation of EU rough sleepers". there is no mention of British ex-servicemen.

    You are quite right of course, and the sooner we have available housing and support services brought on by reduced migration - the better for those ex-squaddies.

    Have you ever worked with ex-servicemen who are homeless?

    The reason they are homeless is lack of support and counselling for PTSD, mental health problems, alcoholism and drug abuse. All the things that your beloved Tories have cut like fuck in the last seven years.

    Many of them have been cast out of the services which has often been the only home they know often having come from difficult backgrounds (often the infantrymen) again most of the support and guidance they used to get has also disappeared, guess who cut it.

    You do know we have also massively cut our services in the last seven years. I have worked with some prior to leaving and the stories can be heart rending as can be the stories of those who have left and ended up homeless/desperate/in shit jobs.

    Not directly, but I don't see what that has to do with anything.

    All of the support services you mention are under strain, yes from austerity cuts, yes by the Tories, but also because the population is too high for the existing service structure.
    We need to build 300,000 homes every year in the UK to keep up with current demand.

    Our choice is straightforward:

    Build, build build like there is no tomorrow and use every scrap of space in the UK until everyone is suitably housed. Build Schools, Hospitals, Care Centres, new towns, places of worship etc etc - build on flood plains, agricultural land, football pitches, parks, woodland, cliff edges, national parks, anywhere.
    Let's get the 300 (every day) new UK long term immigrants from the EU housed and looked after and just keep repeating the exercise over and over.

    Or

    Prevent the population of this island growing out of control by the fairest means available, and concentrate our efforts/housing/services on a known and controlled population number. This will also reduce the queue at Tesco.
  • MP's Representing their constituents.

    Sir Oliver Heald = 51.4% voted leave.
    Jonathan Djanogly = 53.4% voted leave.
    Anna Sourpuss = 52.5% vpted leave.
    Nicky (eyes) Morgan = 50% voted leave.
    Antoinette Sandbach = 52.2% voted leave.
    Sarah Wollaston = 54.1 voted leave.

    Should all join Jeremy and get Catweazle elected!

    Didn't around a dozen Tory's rebel ? How come you just chose to highlight those six ?
  • Anyone watching question time? I refer you to my avatar
  • Southbank said:

    Southbank said:

    Stig said:

    The sovereignty argument was the biggest red herring in the whole of the Brexit referendum. A bigger red herring even than my avatar. The fact that Brexiteers were happy for a govt clique, putting party interests before national interests, to stifle parliamentary democracy clearly demonstrates what a nonsense it was. Well done to those MPs who took back control.

    Superbly put. Anyone trotting out the sovereignty line and then arguing against parliamentary scrutiny is being disingenuous.
    When we Leavers talk about taking back control we mean from the EU bureaucracy. When you Remainers talk about taking back control you mean from the British people.

    That is the difference between us.
    I think you should speak for yourself rather than use the collective 'we leavers'. I'm a leaver and don't agree with your statement at all.

    Parliament controls the country with the blessing of the British people through elections. What happened yesterday was democracy in action, and will prove to be a very important part of our leaving the EU.

    This isn't going to affect us leaving, but it will ensure that the government doesn't just fudge these negotiations and say 'oh well'.
    If you are right then is it not strangely coincidental that the result was welcomed by everybody who opposes Brexit?. Sometimes you have to look beyond the surface of things to understand their meaning. In this case what was formally a democratic decision was actually an anti-Brexit and therefore anti-democratic one.
    Of course they will welcome it. They can't stop Brexit, but anything they feel is a victory along the way, they will celebrate. Ultimately, it was the right and sensible thing to do. You absolutely cannot allow something like this to be decided by the government alone.

    Take Brexit out of the picture for a moment and think of any other major decision a government needs to take that affects everybody in the country. Do you think they should be able to make the decision alone, or should it go through Parliament?

    The government had already assured MPs that they would get a 'meaningful vote' on the final deal. So in effect, this amendment changes nothing, all it does is ensure that they go through with their promise. If you trust the government as much as you appear to, then why is this such a big deal when they had already given their word that a vote would happen anyway?
  • The article refers specifically to "the deportation of EU rough sleepers". there is no mention of British ex-servicemen.

    You are quite right of course, and the sooner we have available housing and support services brought on by reduced migration - the better for those ex-squaddies.

    Have you ever worked with ex-servicemen who are homeless?

    The reason they are homeless is lack of support and counselling for PTSD, mental health problems, alcoholism and drug abuse. All the things that your beloved Tories have cut like fuck in the last seven years.

    Many of them have been cast out of the services which has often been the only home they know often having come from difficult backgrounds (often the infantrymen) again most of the support and guidance they used to get has also disappeared, guess who cut it.

    You do know we have also massively cut our services in the last seven years. I have worked with some prior to leaving and the stories can be heart rending as can be the stories of those who have left and ended up homeless/desperate/in shit jobs.

    Not directly, but I don't see what that has to do with anything.

    All of the support services you mention are under strain, yes from austerity cuts, yes by the Tories, but also because the population is too high for the existing service structure.
    We need to build 300,000 homes every year in the UK to keep up with current demand.

    Our choice is straightforward:

    Build, build build like there is no tomorrow and use every scrap of space in the UK until everyone is suitably housed. Build Schools, Hospitals, Care Centres, new towns, places of worship etc etc - build on flood plains, agricultural land, football pitches, parks, woodland, cliff edges, national parks, anywhere.
    Let's get the 300 (every day) new UK long term immigrants from the EU housed and looked after and just keep repeating the exercise over and over.

    Or

    Prevent the population of this island growing out of control by the fairest means available, and concentrate our efforts/housing/services on a known and controlled population number. This will also reduce the queue at Tesco.
    You are not even trying now.
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