Jesus we have lost one game at home to the favourites to win the league, still third in the league and the site has gone into meltdown.
Was thinking exactly the same. We just didn't click tonight, kept trying to play football but it just didn't happen tonight and they did a number on us
Fitness regimes can be about "peaking" at different times in the season. Robinson may be working the players harder now with the idea that it will pay off in the long term when we're fitter come Christmas-time.
Nope, sorry but that's utter bollocks. Match fitness levels should be getting better after about 6 games. Tiredness for players at this level shouldn't be a problem after 7 matches.
Gobinson, the Fat Scouser ( there you go SDAddick) has no plan B let alone C or D. If things are not going right then you have to change it. This will be his downfall in the long run.
Proof they haven't gone away,just hiding in the shadows. They were chanting Robinsons name on Saturday, maybe you weren't there ?
One 3-0 defeat doesnt end the season just as a 2-1 win over Southend doesnt confirm promotion... As I said on the poll this one defeat shouldnt confirm that we're a bad side and that we'll need to get to October before we can determine where we are in the League.
We've probably had one of the harder starts than most with Wigan / Southend / Bristol Rovers all predicted to be up there by the experts before a ball was kicked.
We need to put this result in perspective, I doubt we'd have gone a season undefeated at the Valley let alone just one defeat to Plymouth and would prefer to see us lose to Wigan than any other side in what is a Division full of poor teams, when we won promotion under Powell our defeats against Stevenage / Colchester / Notts County all wielded worse performances so not going to start panicking.
Just hope that Kashi was taken off to ensure he didnt get a needless injury rather than picking up an actual knock
Jesus we have lost one game at home to the favourites to win the league, still third in the league and the site has gone into meltdown.
Do you expect anything less.
Came away from the Valley hearing one fan saying to another that normal service had resumed... Seriously I wouldnt even think that if we lose to Bury!!
Jesus we have lost one game at home to the favourites to win the league, still third in the league and the site has gone into meltdown.
Was thinking exactly the same. We just didn't click tonight, kept trying to play football but it just didn't happen tonight and they did a number on us
its all very well saying these things, but it was such an appalling performance after winning 5 out of 6 games - it was a totally cringeworthy display where we were third best , not just second best in every aspect of the game. The only shot (and not even necessarily a shot on target) came in the 88th minute from a 40 yard bobbler that the goalie could have controlled with his boot and had a keepy uppy on the goaline with. You cant mask it over- if we have too many displays like this in the season then bye bye promotion and bye bye playoffs.
Personally, I think our plan A may have been okay had we actually tried harder
Overall I'm pleased so with the start this season, but I'm fuming tonight. I hope there's a recognition from KR that that simply wasn't good enough and we didn't try hard enough
What we probably tried doing was a Mourinho style version of keep ball to try and slow the tempo and knock Wigan off their stride.
Probably didnt help the fact that Wigan were off the back of a defeat to Shrewsbury so needed to up their game with a few of their players needing to prove their place to Paul Cook
Jesus we have lost one game at home to the favourites to win the league, still third in the league and the site has gone into meltdown.
Was thinking exactly the same. We just didn't click tonight, kept trying to play football but it just didn't happen tonight and they did a number on us
its all very well saying these things, but it was such an appalling performance after winning 5 out of 6 games - it was a totally cringeworthy display where we were third best , not just second best in every aspect of the game. The only shot (and not even necessarily a shot on target) came in the 88th minute from a 40 yard bobbler that the goalie could have controlled with his boot and had a keepy uppy on the goaline with. You cant mask it over- if we have too many displays like this in the season then bye bye promotion and bye bye playoffs.
On the way home after first game of the season. Decidedly second-best to a very good sign who I expect will win the league (backed them ante-post so some small consolation).
They could have scored in the opening 30 seconds and were a lot sharper than us. We had a few flashes of quality midway through the first-half culminating in hitting the bar and very unlucky the rebound had Magennis stretching.
They looked like they might score before half-time and sure enough did with Holmes in particular losing concentration after some off-the-bell hair pulling from their player.
Second-half we all hoped for some improvement attacking the Covered End but it never came and they fully deserved to score a couple more goals and could have had more.
Bad night at the office but it's been a good start to the season.
KR needs to have a think about what he can do to freshen things up for Saturday but the odd defeat isn't a problem if you keep winning rather drawing games where you play well.
Badgered by my boys to go so begrudgingly went along to my first game for a long time.
Open minded about what to expect and looking forward to seeing some exciting play.
Unfortunately this was a clear case of a manager being totally outdone by his opposite number. Quite simply stop Holmes and you stop us playing.
Wigan had a clear game plan that at times bordered on rule breaking but they did their job to a man.
Their strikers played high and put pressure on our centre backs to play long. They then mopped up the second ball and attacked with pace down the flanks often overloading our full backs. Their first two goals came from this.
With our bench we cannot bring on a game changer just inexperienced youngsters and with all due respect neither Ahearne-Grant or Dodoo are going to frighten Alex Bruce or Dan Burn.
Maybe I saw us in an off day but I think it's more likely that other teams will see how Wigan stopped us playing and adopt the same tactics.
Over to you, Karl.
To be fair, it's more a case of Wigan mimicking Southend's tactics from the weekend, just with better quality players. We were calmer and more patient at the weekend, and kept a better defensive shape. As a result, once Southend started to tire we were able to find gaps in their defense. Wigan did have a moment like that tonight around the 65th minute, but as we looked to push forward they countered with a goal and completely knocked whatever little wind we had in our sails.
My first match of the season, felt like I've never been away, they pressed us from the start looked a lot more up for it than us, thought Kashi and Clarke in particular were too casual/wasteful, shame about the shot that hit underside of crossbar, but they could/should have been well up by h/t, 2nd goal killed it off, hopefully get a win at Gillingham and it will still be a good start.
Gobinson, the Fat Scouser ( there you go SDAddick) has no plan B let alone C or D. If things are not going right then you have to change it. This will be his downfall in the long run.
Steady on with the insults Large FFS. You're sounding like the madman from South Wales!
Whingers back posting. End of the world is nigh bla bla bla. We were outclassed by a much better team. Conceding 3 goals at Oldham was the alarm bell. Team has to be a work in progress. We were beaten by the champions tonight.
Jesus we have lost one game at home to the favourites to win the league, still third in the league and the site has gone into meltdown.
Was thinking exactly the same. We just didn't click tonight, kept trying to play football but it just didn't happen tonight and they did a number on us
its all very well saying these things, but it was such an appalling performance after winning 5 out of 6 games - it was a totally cringeworthy display where we were third best , not just second best in every aspect of the game. The only shot (and not even necessarily a shot on target) came in the 88th minute from a 40 yard bobbler that the goalie could have controlled with his boot and had a keepy uppy on the goaline with. You cant mask it over- if we have too many displays like this in the season then bye bye promotion and bye bye playoffs.
Did you say your not going Saturday
Its a bit tough for me as i now live and work in Luxembourg ( i went last season). But no doubt once i've calmed down i'll get onto the Gills IFollow and watch it online.They cant be as bad as they were tonight.
The dream is on hold for now. Maybe we can be a playoff contender, but an auto promo side doesn't end a run of wins with a 3-0 defeat to a promotion rival. Disappointed.
Jesus we have lost one game at home to the favourites to win the league, still third in the league and the site has gone into meltdown.
Was thinking exactly the same. We just didn't click tonight, kept trying to play football but it just didn't happen tonight and they did a number on us
its all very well saying these things, but it was such an appalling performance after winning 5 out of 6 games - it was a totally cringeworthy display where we were third best , not just second best in every aspect of the game. The only shot (and not even necessarily a shot on target) came in the 88th minute from a 40 yard bobbler that the goalie could have controlled with his boot and had a keepy uppy on the goaline with. You cant mask it over- if we have too many displays like this in the season then bye bye promotion and bye bye playoffs.
You must have missed the shot from Forster Caskey that smashed the bar then.
Didn't match Wigan for tempo, didn't show for each other enough which led to loose passes, Ricky overplaying to compensate. Caught in possession all the time so mostly playing on the back foot. Bad day at the office plus a reality check.
Jesus we have lost one game at home to the favourites to win the league, still third in the league and the site has gone into meltdown.
Was thinking exactly the same. We just didn't click tonight, kept trying to play football but it just didn't happen tonight and they did a number on us
its all very well saying these things, but it was such an appalling performance after winning 5 out of 6 games - it was a totally cringeworthy display where we were third best , not just second best in every aspect of the game. The only shot (and not even necessarily a shot on target) came in the 88th minute from a 40 yard bobbler that the goalie could have controlled with his boot and had a keepy uppy on the goaline with. You cant mask it over- if we have too many displays like this in the season then bye bye promotion and bye bye playoffs.
You must have missed the shot from Forster Caskey that smashed the bar then.
I did , whilst farting around with the wonderful nuances of IFollow.
Hopefully this will show the players and Robinson they ain't as good as they think they are. Kick up the backside and move on. We desperately need reeves and Marshall back with a fully fit team. there is nothing on the bench that looks like they can change the game when we're losing. Suppose that what you get from such a thin squad yet again. Least they have learnt their lessons and all that.
The referee didn't help, but we were played off the park tonight, no two ways about it.
They got under our skin, niggled us and forced us into cheap fouls. But they also moved it faster than us, looked ten times more dangerous going forward and defended stoutly. If Wigan put in a performance like that every week they'll walk this league.
It's not a disaster to lose one game, but we have to respond on Saturday. I'd argue that will suggest what sort of team we have this year more than anything that's happened so far.
Whingers back posting. End of the world is nigh bla bla bla. We were outclassed by a much better team. Conceding 3 goals at Oldham was the alarm bell. Team has to be a work in progress. We were beaten by the champions tonight.
Strange comments masicat......don't see too many whingers as you put it, more disappointers I'd say. I don't think many of us saw that coming........I know I didn't.
When i read the other reports I expect the main theme will boiled down to 'reality check'. Considering Wigan were disjointed in terms of their available players they won well and they won deservedly, and although some might say the scoreline not so much flattered them but was harsh on us I disagree. They had an excellent 3-0 away win at one of the better teams in this division and it was deserved. They were by a distance the best team we have played, but the good news is that if certain things had fallen our way we might have won, beaten but despite the number we weren't beaten out of sight. The goals tended to come from good Wigan play rather than bad play by us, and we didn't surrender or not try and keep trying, the situation is more about their resources being better than ours and it showed. It is a lesson as to how much more work we need to do because Wigan were relegated yet looked a cut above, we need to improve our set up by a few players to match them. We have Reeves and Marshall ready to step up which is good because for example Kashi, Clarke and Fosu all looked a bit off their game this evening yet Konsa, with the others, could step up. Unfortunately and predictably if Josh is under par as he was this evening we don't have a player that can step in, and perhaps more worryingly we don't have much of a plan B. The squad definitely needs more depth in my view. No reason to panic or despair just yet, a win at Gillingham would give us back a little bit of a cushion, and indeed this defeat will test the character of the squad and it's ability to react to a set back and we will learn more. Overall we are allowed this defeat (just) but that's it, no more like this, we must get back to imposing ourselves on teams. PS Some people booed the ref but i thought he had a good game myself.
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I didn't think the boys lacked in effort, they just got played off the park
Wonder how different things could have been if Forster Caskey's long ranger had gone in rather than clattering woodwork
One 3-0 defeat doesnt end the season just as a 2-1 win over Southend doesnt confirm promotion... As I said on the poll this one defeat shouldnt confirm that we're a bad side and that we'll need to get to October before we can determine where we are in the League.
We've probably had one of the harder starts than most with Wigan / Southend / Bristol Rovers all predicted to be up there by the experts before a ball was kicked.
We need to put this result in perspective, I doubt we'd have gone a season undefeated at the Valley let alone just one defeat to Plymouth and would prefer to see us lose to Wigan than any other side in what is a Division full of poor teams, when we won promotion under Powell our defeats against Stevenage / Colchester / Notts County all wielded worse performances so not going to start panicking.
Just hope that Kashi was taken off to ensure he didnt get a needless injury rather than picking up an actual knock
Came away from the Valley hearing one fan saying to another that normal service had resumed... Seriously I wouldnt even think that if we lose to Bury!!
You cant mask it over- if we have too many displays like this in the season then bye bye promotion and bye bye playoffs.
Probably didnt help the fact that Wigan were off the back of a defeat to Shrewsbury so needed to up their game with a few of their players needing to prove their place to Paul Cook
They could have scored in the opening 30 seconds and were a lot sharper than us. We had a few flashes of quality midway through the first-half culminating in hitting the bar and very unlucky the rebound had Magennis stretching.
They looked like they might score before half-time and sure enough did with Holmes in particular losing concentration after some off-the-bell hair pulling from their player.
Second-half we all hoped for some improvement attacking the Covered End but it never came and they fully deserved to score a couple more goals and could have had more.
Bad night at the office but it's been a good start to the season.
KR needs to have a think about what he can do to freshen things up for Saturday but the odd defeat isn't a problem if you keep winning rather drawing games where you play well.
To be so comprehensively outplayed in L1 shows how far we are away from the Championship.
Amos at least helped keep the scoreline respectable.
You're sounding like the madman from South Wales!
Disappointed.
But it was a bad performance.
Despite living with Wigan in the first half and carving out a few good chances we were always second best.
Once they scored they took complete control and could have scored more.
We couldn't or weren't allowed to play by a bigger, faster, stronger and just better team.
Bad day at the office? Maybe.
Out played? Certainly.
Robinson's reluctance to switch formation and the lack of options from the bench to do so even if he wanted to are frustrations.
We won't play many sides as good as Wigan and we are third.
We need to be better, a lot better, to get automatic promotion.
It showed how physically weak we are, it's not all about pretty sideways passing.
Having said all that what a bloody horrible team Wigan are and what a useless ref that was completely conned by the northern monkeys antics.
Also add that dasilver was very very poor tonight.
Didn't match Wigan for tempo, didn't show for each other enough which led to loose passes, Ricky overplaying to compensate. Caught in possession all the time so mostly playing on the back foot.
Bad day at the office plus a reality check.
We desperately need reeves and Marshall back with a fully fit team. there is nothing on the bench that looks like they can change the game when we're losing. Suppose that what you get from such a thin squad yet again. Least they have learnt their lessons and all that.
They got under our skin, niggled us and forced us into cheap fouls. But they also moved it faster than us, looked ten times more dangerous going forward and defended stoutly. If Wigan put in a performance like that every week they'll walk this league.
It's not a disaster to lose one game, but we have to respond on Saturday. I'd argue that will suggest what sort of team we have this year more than anything that's happened so far.
I don't think many of us saw that coming........I know I didn't.
When i read the other reports I expect the main theme will boiled down to 'reality check'.
Considering Wigan were disjointed in terms of their available players they won well and they won deservedly, and although some might say the scoreline not so much flattered them but was harsh on us I disagree. They had an excellent 3-0 away win at one of the better teams in this division and it was deserved.
They were by a distance the best team we have played, but the good news is that if certain things had fallen our way we might have won, beaten but despite the number we weren't beaten out of sight.
The goals tended to come from good Wigan play rather than bad play by us, and we didn't surrender or not try and keep trying, the situation is more about their resources being better than ours and it showed. It is a lesson as to how much more work we need to do because Wigan were relegated yet looked a cut above, we need to improve our set up by a few players to match them.
We have Reeves and Marshall ready to step up which is good because for example Kashi, Clarke and Fosu all looked a bit off their game this evening yet Konsa, with the others, could step up.
Unfortunately and predictably if Josh is under par as he was this evening we don't have a player that can step in, and perhaps more worryingly we don't have much of a plan B. The squad definitely needs more depth in my view.
No reason to panic or despair just yet, a win at Gillingham would give us back a little bit of a cushion, and indeed this defeat will test the character of the squad and it's ability to react to a set back and we will learn more.
Overall we are allowed this defeat (just) but that's it, no more like this, we must get back to imposing ourselves on teams.
PS Some people booed the ref but i thought he had a good game myself.