@MuttleyCAFC post is illustrative of the chasm between Powell and Robinson. Powell knew everything that we had gone through as Addicks because he had been there with us on our rise and seen the fall. He'd earned the right to tell us we were heading back in the right direction and understood implicitly what 'our' Charlton means to us.
Robinson's nowhere near in a position to tell us what we should be feeling about the club at the moment. Maybe it was just an off the cuff, silly remark as he's wont to making all too regularly but he needs to learn to shut up, keep out of the dispute with RD, win matches and more than anything let his football do the talking.
Powell also said those words on the promtimf of the fans. If I remember correctly.
He uses the wrong words sometimes - but I think he was trying to say that we now have players playing for the shirt. And he may well be right if this is what he meant, but it is just a step in the right direction at this point and we still have the owner, the CEO and we are still in League One!
KR has watched his team pull off a great result and some of you nit pick over one comment that he makes, maybe for some supporters they do have their Charlton back.
Probably the ones that never acknowledged they were in danger of losing it in the first place.....
....and have always believed that Roland was the Messiah .
Yeah, right.
oh Fanny that is so wrong, I could say more but as I wasn't there on Saturday and only listened to the commentary I am probably not in the best place to argue the point.
I was there Saturday and totally agree with you. One of the nice things on Saturday was the team and the fans pulling together, so it is disappointing seeing the matriarch of CL make comments such as this.
Look......we all know KR talks in sound bites and loves to say what he thinks us fans want to hear. I don't much like his media persona, I don't go out of my way to listen to him to be honest, I just concern myself with our results and his part in that be they good or bad. To describe him as a prick is somewhat OTT I have to say and pretty disrespectful into the bargain.
What a lot of people don't seem to undertsand is that protestors support the team. When a player gets sent off and our backs are to the wall, we will respond when we see fight and passion - but it is completely different to having our Charlton back in relation to what the phrase means historically. Not saying KR can't help achieve this, but we are a long way from that point. And protestors cheer and shout and support the team as much as non-protestors - if you don't get that you are delusional!
@MuttleyCAFC post is illustrative of the chasm between Powell and Robinson. Powell knew everything that we had gone through as Addicks because he had been there with us on our rise and seen the fall. He'd earned the right to tell us we were heading back in the right direction and understood implicitly what 'our' Charlton means to us.
Robinson's nowhere near in a position to tell us what we should be feeling about the club at the moment. Maybe it was just an off the cuff, silly remark as he's wont to making all too regularly but he needs to learn to shut up, keep out of the dispute with RD, win matches and more than anything let his football do the talking.
Let me start by saying I think Chris Powell is a lovely human being.
That said, I think sometimes we get a little carried away with comparing everyone to him and every team to his League One winning team. And I get it, it was a great season and probably the last really good set of memories a lot of us have around the club. He is a truly honest and decent man who knows the club because he spent a lot of time at it. But I feel like we're becoming Newcastle fans with Kevin Keegan, everything that comes after him will not be as good because it isn't him. And the truth of the matter is we're unlikely to ever have another manager who will wholly understand the club the way he did. And, at least for now, we have to move on.
Now, what Robinson was naive and wrong, but what I will say for him is that, since he has come in, he a shown a real reverence for the size of the club and frequently talks about what a big club we are. For all of his other faults, you have to give him that.
The thing was, it felt like we were getting our Charlton back at the time. We know we didn't in the end but we did feel like it. If KR manages to get us feeling similar, he can use the phrase - but he won't have to as we will be singing it. I think it is fair to say that having a team that plays for the shirt is a clear step in the right direction, but nobody is close to singing we have our Charlton back yet. It is harder for KR as he does have KM sitting in the directors box but win the league and who knows! First game of the season is a bit early though - possibly much more than a bit!
The thing was, it felt like we were getting our Charlton back at the time. We know we didn't in the end but we did feel like it. If KR manages to get us feeling similar, he can use the phrase - but he won't have to as we will be singing it. I think it is fair to say that having a team that plays for the shirt is a clear step in the right direction, but nobody is close to singing we have our Charlton back yet. It is harder for KR as he does have KM sitting in the directors box but win the league and who knows! First game of the season is a bit early though - possibly much more than a bit!
The thing is MuttleyCAFC there are some of us our here that don't feel like we've lost our Charlton in the 1st place
Exactly - and you/they have no concept of the many thousands who do. If you think Charlton is about you, or a minority of fans, maybe you have your Charlton back - or like you said, you never lost it. But that is different to many of our undertsandings of what that means!
We beat Scunthorpe at home last season, and it felt like we had lost - the Valley was so dead!
I take whatever Karl says with a big pinch of salt, I like the way he tried to 'fire' the fans up 10 minutes from time to see us over the finishing line, he just needs to keep his gob shut at times and think about what he's saying, but I guess that's what we've got at this level of management.
I have always said that the problem is not those that are happy and not protesting, and those that care enough to protest - but those fans we are just losing. You have to be completely selfish just to look at it from your perspective. Some of you may be happy with us playing in front of dwindling crowds in a lifeless souless Valley - but the problem is that too many don't care enough anymore. If you want to blame the protestors for that, you don't have a grasp of reality! We are trying to do something about it for the sake of our club! Not sit on our backsides tut tutting or complaining that our selfish enjoyment is ruined when somebody throws a pig on the pitch!
What a lot of people don't seem to undertsand is that protestors support the team. When a player gets sent off and our backs are to the wall, we will respond when we see fight and passion - but it is completely different to having our Charlton back in relation to what the phrase means historically. Not saying KR can't help achieve this, but we are a long way from that point. And protestors cheer and shout and support the team as much as non-protestors - if you don't get that you are delusional!
Thanks for that post, Mutters. In essence, this was my point.
I'm slightly disappointed that Lancs & Kap have chosen to misinterpret my words.
I too was there on Saturday, and agree that there was a huge amount of positive support for the team from the "terraces" and that it was well deserved. If you care to read the post match thread, you'll see clearly that I was pleasantly surprised by the team's performance and the "togetherness" of all concerned.
What I, and the majority of Lifers on this thread, are disputing is that , at this moment in time, we "have our Charlton back" . I am not saying that the first step in the process hasn't now been taken. But IMHO it is far too soon to make such statements - the season is a marathon, not a sprint.....
My comment was illustrating that there are supporters that have never uttered a negative word against RD & co and have been horrified from day one to learn that their opinion of this regime is not shared by thousands of others. You and I know examples of these fans - those who have worn rose tinted specs throughout our club's demotion to L1, the influx of totally unsuitable foreign players & indeed managers, the disrespectful manner in which loyal supporters are viewed by our CEO and as a result, the alienation of many loyal & long term regulars.
These pro regimers, for want of a more apt description, have closed their minds ( as well as their ears) to any negativity & as such , will likely be the ones to welcome KR's latest pronouncement because, in their eyes, their Charlton has never gone AWOL !
In conclusion, I'd like to remind you guys that although I wear the black & white scarf ( well, when it's chilly enough) , although I have protested with the best of 'em, both in SE7 and across the channel , I DO support my team & will continue to do so through these difficult times &, hopefully, when better ones return. I want my Charlton back as much as every other devoted fan, but for me, the future remains in the balance at this moment in time.
Hope that helps you both to find the lurve once again for this matriarch....
@MuttleyCAFC post is illustrative of the chasm between Powell and Robinson. Powell knew everything that we had gone through as Addicks because he had been there with us on our rise and seen the fall. He'd earned the right to tell us we were heading back in the right direction and understood implicitly what 'our' Charlton means to us.
Robinson's nowhere near in a position to tell us what we should be feeling about the club at the moment. Maybe it was just an off the cuff, silly remark as he's wont to making all too regularly but he needs to learn to shut up, keep out of the dispute with RD, win matches and more than anything let his football do the talking.
Powell also said those words on the promtimf of the fans. If I remember correctly.
I have always said that the problem is not those that are happy and not protesting, and those that care enough to protest - but those fans we are just losing. You have to be completely selfish just to look at it from your perspective. Some of you may be happy with us playing in front of dwindling crowds in a lifeless souless Valley - but the problem is that too many don't care enough anymore. If you want to blame the protestors for that, you don't have a grasp of reality! We are trying to do something about it for the sake of our club! Not sit on our backsides tut tutting or complaining that our selfish enjoyment is ruined when somebody throws a pig on the pitch!
Cmon MuttleyCAFC there's not many out there blaming the protestors. I'm not happy that we've probably lost hundreds if not into thousands of fans that will probably not set foot in the valley again. Those protesting can protest however they want.
Well, when we get them or others back in a rocking Valley, or at least start moving in the right direction on that score, we might be going towards getting our Charlton back! Not your undertsanding of it, but what the majority of fans understand by it! Which is the point of this thread really. I can't think of anything more irrelevant than people thinking everything is fine - but they are entitled to think that way - but some of us feel we have to fight for teh future of our club!
To be fair to Robinson I think I know what he meant. He may not be 'Charlton' like JJ, Powell, Brown and many many more, but he knows what a shower of the brown stuff we've had the past 3+ years both on and off the pitch. I feel he's saying we have a squad who will wear the badge with pride and give it 100% and their best every time, and principally with 95% of the players I believe him.
That said it's not to say the squad is good enough in either depth or quality for a promotion challenge, it's not to say that of the many problems over the last few years both on and off the pitch aren't still here because many are.
But principally he can only do what he can do within the realms of what he has or is allowed to have, he can be annoying at times, but at least he shows some passion and that's rubbing off on the players.
He uses the wrong words sometimes - but I think he was trying to say that we now have players playing for the shirt. And he may well be right if this is what he meant, but it is just a step in the right direction at this point and we still have the owner, the CEO and we are still in League One!
This for me. He's an enthusiastic bloke who likes to talk. His interviews are quite hard to watch sometimes because he's quite Brentesque, but if you saw that bit toward the end of the game where he let rip a shout that carried quite far, you can tell he's desperate for this to work
He's always going to say stuff that just doesn't come across to tactful maybe, and he probably got carried away with the win in the circumstances. I think he realises one win won't cut it and deep down he knows we still need to be repaired as a club
The thing was, it felt like we were getting our Charlton back at the time. We know we didn't in the end but we did feel like it. If KR manages to get us feeling similar, he can use the phrase - but he won't have to as we will be singing it. I think it is fair to say that having a team that plays for the shirt is a clear step in the right direction, but nobody is close to singing we have our Charlton back yet. It is harder for KR as he does have KM sitting in the directors box but win the league and who knows! First game of the season is a bit early though - possibly much more than a bit!
The thing is MuttleyCAFC there are some of us our here that don't feel like we've lost our Charlton in the 1st place
What, even in the worst of times? I find that hard to believe. Even when the network experiment was tearing the club and team apart?
I also think some of the reaction to Karl's words are pretty over the top.
He's like a kid who's parents are rowing all the time - he just wants the rows to stop and for everyone to be happy - and doesn't necessarily want to understand what went on. He's not paid to do that. He's paid to build a team that can win promotion(s).
And it could be that he made his demands when he joined the club and (so far) they have been met.
Yes, he was well premature when he said 'we had our Charlton back'. But the Belgiums leaving have never been part of the deal for him, as they pay his wages. He doesn't need them punished for previous mistakes, as he wasn't here at the time.
Anyway I think they're trying to get the club into a position where it can be sold. Fingers crossed that it's not to Red Bull.
I still believe as a club we are turning a corner this summer barring a disasterous last few weeks of this transfer window, I feel it's been an excellent window to date and the performance on Saturday which was a must-win if we want promotion was a proper-Charlton performance not seen since Chris Powell's team.
In fact the performance it specifically reminded me of was the time we beat Yeovil 3-2 at home on that Tuesday night about 3 years ago when even the steward was time wasting in that must-win match.
But the key to my post is that we are still turning a corner and while I agree with @SDAddick in that I can see the point KR was trying to make but it's still too soon to say we have our Charlton back and as others have said, the fans will tell KR when we have our Charlton back.
If we have our Charlton back Karl why are there a great many fans like myself still staying away? Not renewing my season ticket for the first time last season in nearly 37 years wasn't a decision taken lightly pal. I had the same seat in the East since the day it opened. I will return one day, hopefully soon, but it won't be until we are rid of a certain senile Belgian. So Karl, pal, I'll let you know when I have my Charlton back.
He's not talking about the "other aspects" of the club, this isn't a wide ranging interview done at 2pm on a Friday, this is a comment after a match, when emotions are high, a match where the players gave the proverbial 110%, showed superb team spirit and "died for the shirt", and were really well backed by the fans. There was a real sense of unity in that 90 minutes between the team and the supporters on Saturday (team meaning the players and coaching staff)
Yes it was hyperbole, but in the circumstances, it's not surprising.
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I don't much like his media persona, I don't go out of my way to listen to him to be honest, I just concern myself with our results and his part in that be they good or bad.
To describe him as a prick is somewhat OTT I have to say and pretty disrespectful into the bargain.
That said, I think sometimes we get a little carried away with comparing everyone to him and every team to his League One winning team. And I get it, it was a great season and probably the last really good set of memories a lot of us have around the club. He is a truly honest and decent man who knows the club because he spent a lot of time at it. But I feel like we're becoming Newcastle fans with Kevin Keegan, everything that comes after him will not be as good because it isn't him. And the truth of the matter is we're unlikely to ever have another manager who will wholly understand the club the way he did. And, at least for now, we have to move on.
Now, what Robinson was naive and wrong, but what I will say for him is that, since he has come in, he a shown a real reverence for the size of the club and frequently talks about what a big club we are. For all of his other faults, you have to give him that.
We beat Scunthorpe at home last season, and it felt like we had lost - the Valley was so dead!
I'm slightly disappointed that Lancs & Kap have chosen to misinterpret my words.
I too was there on Saturday, and agree that there was a huge amount of positive support for the team from the "terraces" and that it was well deserved. If you care to read the post match thread, you'll see clearly that I was pleasantly surprised by the team's performance and the "togetherness" of all concerned.
What I, and the majority of Lifers on this thread, are disputing is that , at this moment in time, we "have our Charlton back" . I am not saying that the first step in the process hasn't now been taken. But IMHO it is far too soon to make such statements - the season is a marathon, not a sprint.....
My comment was illustrating that there are supporters that have never uttered a negative word against RD & co and have been horrified from day one to learn that their opinion of this regime is not shared by thousands of others. You and I know examples of these fans - those who have worn rose tinted specs throughout our club's demotion to L1, the influx of totally unsuitable foreign players & indeed managers, the disrespectful manner in which loyal supporters are viewed by our CEO and as a result, the alienation of many loyal & long term regulars.
These pro regimers, for want of a more apt description, have closed their minds ( as well as their ears) to any negativity & as such , will likely be the ones to welcome KR's latest pronouncement because, in their eyes, their Charlton has never gone AWOL !
In conclusion, I'd like to remind you guys that although I wear the black & white scarf ( well, when it's chilly enough) , although I have protested with the best of 'em, both in SE7 and across the channel , I DO support my team & will continue to do so through these difficult times &, hopefully, when better ones return. I want my Charlton back as much as every other devoted fan, but for me, the future remains in the balance at this moment in time.
Hope that helps you both to find the lurve once again for this matriarch....
Hope that helps
I'm not happy that we've probably lost hundreds if not into thousands of fans that will probably not set foot in the valley again.
Those protesting can protest however they want.
That said it's not to say the squad is good enough in either depth or quality for a promotion challenge, it's not to say that of the many problems over the last few years both on and off the pitch aren't still here because many are.
But principally he can only do what he can do within the realms of what he has or is allowed to have, he can be annoying at times, but at least he shows some passion and that's rubbing off on the players.
Still think we'll finish 7-12th though.......
We haven't done that for a fair while.
He's always going to say stuff that just doesn't come across to tactful maybe, and he probably got carried away with the win in the circumstances. I think he realises one win won't cut it and deep down he knows we still need to be repaired as a club
Let's hope he can continue the positive start
I also think some of the reaction to Karl's words are pretty over the top.
He's like a kid who's parents are rowing all the time - he just wants the rows to stop and for everyone to be happy - and doesn't necessarily want to understand what went on. He's not paid to do that. He's paid to build a team that can win promotion(s).
And it could be that he made his demands when he joined the club and (so far) they have been met.
Yes, he was well premature when he said 'we had our Charlton back'. But the Belgiums leaving have never been part of the deal for him, as they pay his wages. He doesn't need them punished for previous mistakes, as he wasn't here at the time.
Anyway I think they're trying to get the club into a position where it can be sold. Fingers crossed that it's not to Red Bull.
In fact the performance it specifically reminded me of was the time we beat Yeovil 3-2 at home on that Tuesday night about 3 years ago when even the steward was time wasting in that must-win match.
But the key to my post is that we are still turning a corner and while I agree with @SDAddick in that I can see the point KR was trying to make but it's still too soon to say we have our Charlton back and as others have said, the fans will tell KR when we have our Charlton back.
He's not talking about the "other aspects" of the club, this isn't a wide ranging interview done at 2pm on a Friday, this is a comment after a match, when emotions are high, a match where the players gave the proverbial 110%, showed superb team spirit and "died for the shirt", and were really well backed by the fans. There was a real sense of unity in that 90 minutes between the team and the supporters on Saturday (team meaning the players and coaching staff)
Yes it was hyperbole, but in the circumstances, it's not surprising.