I enjoy Robinson's energy and why it may seem to be a lot of bravado at times,I'd rather have that than total negativity. I still don't like the regime, but I'm completely behind Robinson and the team, and with my Rose coloured specs on I'm feeling decidedly positive for the season. As they say over here "viva Karl, viva Charlton"
Mexico? Chile? Cuba? You can just drop teasers like that in your posts and then leave us hanging. We need to know what exotic climes you inhabit.
In the early days of the protests an expression was coined: "Support the team not the regime" That is what we should do, I assume that the majority of us who read and write on this forum are Charlton supporters so support the team which to me also includes support for the manager and his assistants but not the SMT. To moan that we are in L1 with Millwall and Palace in higher divisions is superfluous, we have been in similar positions before and the only way out of it is to support the team.
However what supporting the team means is individual to each of us, to some it is having a season ticket and attending all matches, to theirs it is turning up for some games or just away games and for others it is withholding their presence from matches but still wanting the team to win.
Each to their own but at this moment just before the first match of the season please
Personally I find Robinson hammy and a bit fake and I don't really warm to him myself, BUT I do get the feeling the acquisition of Bowyer on the coaching staff may make a significant difference to our performances on the pitch. And if KR and his staff start getting it right there, then that will make a wedge of negativity subside, at least towards them. KR may well have to walk a fine tricky line between the owner and the fans, but that perfectly serves to illustrate how poorly the club has been run. I think Charlton may well do better this season on the playing side and great if that happens. But the main problems still remain. ( tbf reading the NS report, think KR's comments re fans staying away sound reasonable to me.)
Oh, and 'I've only spoken to the owner twice all summer'. You know why Karl? Because he don't give a shit about us.
You don't buy a dog and bark yourself. KR's way is possibly a lot cheaper and looking more and more likely to be more successful on the pitch. In those circumstances, as the investor you keep your own input in check and you let them get on with it. He has KM on site to give him updates anyway.
Isn't that exactly what Roland did when he bought the club?...
I'm not sure that there is anything Robinson and perhaps even the club can do to win back some fans. The endless negativity and bitter comments are draining. It's really a shame that some people have become almost anti supporters.
I want Duchatelet out as much as anyone but I'm not going to find fault and bile in everything that happens.
I know I fit your post and yes I am bitter and yes it is draining but the club can win me back. Quite easily actually, all the club has to do is put right what has been ruined. I doubt though, the owner who is not a Charlton supporter is willing, able or has the skill to do so.
But if this is to happen it won't happen overnight it will be a long hard road back but Robinson at least seems to get it and is trying his best to take the team forward and hopefully in turn the club
It's not bullshit - he's trying to raise the club from the doldrums. He's changed a lot of things. The players are definitely fired up and seem more like the players from the title winning year. Players who want to be here are what I want to see and it's time to move on and support the team. we all want the best for Charlton regardless of the owners so let's go forwards rather than just keep rolling out the same boring and negati
And why are we in the doldrums?
So we can
a) get behind the team and try to play our part in improving things
b) continue to snipe and dig at the club and any fans who dare to show positivity
And just as annoying as the negative on all that is Charlton is the positive on any old shit that is Charlton .
We are 3rd tier , scum are 2nd tier , palace are 1st tier Wake up smell the coffee , these are disastrous footballing times in our history no matter how it's dressed up !
We are back at the level we were when I started going to the Valley in 1973 when the Valley was a poorly maintained ground and the crowds were small. My Grandparents lived a mile or so from the Valley the other side of Charlton park and they would tell me how their road would be full of parked cars in the years earlier and it was sad to see the team in Division 3 with crowds of 5-8,000. Then 25 years later were in the premier league crowds were 27,000 and guess what people were once again parking outside my grandparents house, sadly they were not alive to see it. Football is a journey a rollercoaster ride and supporting Charlton is certainly that.
He can talk the talk, yet to be convinced he can walk the walk. His insistance on 4-5-1 will be his downfall. With the squad assembled he should be sacked if he fails to make top six, maybe even top two.
Oh, and 'I've only spoken to the owner twice all summer'. You know why Karl? Because he don't give a shit about us.
I agree he has to walk the walk I just think he isn't being given a fair crack at the start, he should be enjoying the fans full support despite the owners. When Chris Powell took over he didn't exactly have the best of times for the remaining season but he spoke well, bought well, was full of enthusiasm during the close season he got the players and fans together and yes he then walked the walk. Judge Robinson 10 games in but for now we should be giving him our full support. I know I will be on Saturday
And just as annoying as the negative on all that is Charlton is the positive on any old shit that is Charlton .
We are 3rd tier , scum are 2nd tier , palace are 1st tier Wake up smell the coffee , these are disastrous footballing times in our history no matter how it's dressed up !
We are back at the level we were when I started going to the Valley in 1973 when the Valley was a poorly maintained ground and the crowds were small. My Grandparents lived a mile or so from the Valley the other side of Charlton park and they would tell me how their road would be full of parked cars in the years earlier and it was sad to see the team in Division 3 with crowds of 5-8,000. Then 25 years later were in the premier league crowds were 27,000 and guess what people were once again parking outside my grandparents house, sadly they were not alive to see it. Football is a journey a rollercoaster ride and supporting Charlton is certainly that.
Sadly the rollercoaster is at the bottom of the track full of water, it has stopped, and we are slowly drowning.
"...Roland’s message to me when I spoke to him was ‘just be honest with people, be yourself.'"
Just as Roland is open and honest with fans about his intentions for the kloob.
I like Robinson's approach to football and they way he wants to play. It didn't work last season because we pressed too high for the players we have, i.e. to slow to react to counter attacks, see Rochdale and Shrewsbury away, but I think with Dasilva back and hopefully Pearce fit and Konsa staying, we should be better equipped.
I'm not sure if he's as naive as we think he is. He seems to have realised very quickly that he needs to get Katrien onside which may help him. Not sure Naby Sarr will be happy with that though.
And just as annoying as the negative on all that is Charlton is the positive on any old shit that is Charlton .
We are 3rd tier , scum are 2nd tier , palace are 1st tier Wake up smell the coffee , these are disastrous footballing times in our history no matter how it's dressed up !
We are back at the level we were when I started going to the Valley in 1973 when the Valley was a poorly maintained ground and the crowds were small. My Grandparents lived a mile or so from the Valley the other side of Charlton park and they would tell me how their road would be full of parked cars in the years earlier and it was sad to see the team in Division 3 with crowds of 5-8,000. Then 25 years later were in the premier league crowds were 27,000 and guess what people were once again parking outside my grandparents house, sadly they were not alive to see it. Football is a journey a rollercoaster ride and supporting Charlton is certainly that.
Sadly the rollercoaster is at the bottom of the track full of water, it has stopped, and we are slowly drowning.
And just as annoying as the negative on all that is Charlton is the positive on any old shit that is Charlton .
We are 3rd tier , scum are 2nd tier , palace are 1st tier Wake up smell the coffee , these are disastrous footballing times in our history no matter how it's dressed up !
We are back at the level we were when I started going to the Valley in 1973 when the Valley was a poorly maintained ground and the crowds were small. My Grandparents lived a mile or so from the Valley the other side of Charlton park and they would tell me how their road would be full of parked cars in the years earlier and it was sad to see the team in Division 3 with crowds of 5-8,000. Then 25 years later were in the premier league crowds were 27,000 and guess what people were once again parking outside my grandparents house, sadly they were not alive to see it. Football is a journey a rollercoaster ride and supporting Charlton is certainly that.
Sadly the rollercoaster is at the bottom of the track full of water, it has stopped, and we are slowly drowning.
To moan that we are in L1 with Millwall and Palace in higher divisions is superfluous, we have been in similar positions before and the only way out of it is to support the team.
Easy for you to say living so far away from the pondlife .. If I get time later I'll check the history books for when if ever our footballing positions have been this shit in comparison to our nearest and dearest .
And the only way out of this shit is if the ownership helps the football management side of things work , not if me and my 4 sons scream our nuts off like we will be doing at The Valley this season
It's not bullshit - he's trying to raise the club from the doldrums. He's changed a lot of things. The players are definitely fired up and seem more like the players from the title winning year. Players who want to be here are what I want to see and it's time to move on and support the team. we all want the best for Charlton regardless of the owners so let's go forwards rather than just keep rolling out the same boring and negati
I never understand this 'move on and support the team' mantra. Everyone I know who, like me, has been vociferous in their condemnation of the régime has always supported the team to the fullest.
Yes and everyone knows that. But apologists will never admit it as they won't have any arguments against the protesters or anything to make them feel good about themselves.
I enjoy Robinson's energy and why it may seem to be a lot of bravado at times,I'd rather have that than total negativity. I still don't like the regime, but I'm completely behind Robinson and the team, and with my Rose coloured specs on I'm feeling decidedly positive for the season. As they say over here "viva Karl, viva Charlton"
Mexico? Chile? Cuba? You can just drop teasers like that in your posts and then leave us hanging. We need to know what exotic climes you inhabit.
"Addick Addict" not quite Latin America exotic or Vauxhall (thanks Clive) South Africa, the unions used Viva for years normally with a clenched Wolfie Smith fist.
It's not bullshit - he's trying to raise the club from the doldrums. He's changed a lot of things. The players are definitely fired up and seem more like the players from the title winning year. Players who want to be here are what I want to see and it's time to move on and support the team. we all want the best for Charlton regardless of the owners so let's go forwards rather than just keep rolling out the same boring and negati
I never understand this 'move on and support the team' mantra. Everyone I know who, like me, has been vociferous in their condemnation of the régime has always supported the team to the fullest.
So it's "Apologists" that are calling the players every name under the sun to the point they don't want to play for us?
Is it Apologists that follow and abuse players on Facebook and Twitter and when they are blocked regard it as a badge of honour
Is it Apologists that hurl objects onto the pitch to disrupt the games?
Is it apologists that systematically victimise Chris and Sue? So what if Sue says something that pissed someone off once - how would you react if you had 2000 people slagging you off every day.
Everyone knows the club has gone backwards - we all see it. We all know it's been a crap journey for a few years. But the protests haven't convinced Roland to sell and neither will they in the immediate future. I've said this many times now but regardless of the ownership I am a Charlton fan. Always have been and always will be. We have a new season ahead and some slivers of positivity on the pitch so why not just support the team and drop all the petty name calling and squabbling amongst fans. Who knows - we might just start to enjoy ourselves once again.
It's not bullshit - he's trying to raise the club from the doldrums. He's changed a lot of things. The players are definitely fired up and seem more like the players from the title winning year. Players who want to be here are what I want to see and it's time to move on and support the team. we all want the best for Charlton regardless of the owners so let's go forwards rather than just keep rolling out the same boring and negati
I never understand this 'move on and support the team' mantra. Everyone I know who, like me, has been vociferous in their condemnation of the régime has always supported the team to the fullest.
So it's "Apologists" that are calling the players every name under the sun to the point they don't want to play for us?
Is it Apologists that follow and abuse players on Facebook and Twitter and when they are blocked regard it as a badge of honour
Is it Apologists that hurl objects onto the pitch to disrupt the games?
Is it apologists that systematically victimise Chris and Sue? So what if Sue says something that pissed someone off once - how would you react if you had 2000 people slagging you off every day.
Everyone knows the club has gone backwards - we all see it. We all know it's been a crap journey for a few years. But the protests haven't convinced Roland to sell and neither will they in the immediate future. I've said this many times now but regardless of the ownership I am a Charlton fan. Always have been and always will be. We have a new season ahead and some slivers of positivity on the pitch so why not just support the team and drop all the petty name calling and squabbling amongst fans. Who knows - we might just start to enjoy ourselves once again.
but he is trying to sell and has been since before Christmas, whether that has been influenced by the protests or not who knows, but he has certainly been trying to sell.
he won't get anywhere near his valuation while we are in League 1 so if they want to force things forward then supporting us into a promotion - or even a promotion chasing team by January - will certainly do us no harm
It's not bullshit - he's trying to raise the club from the doldrums. He's changed a lot of things. The players are definitely fired up and seem more like the players from the title winning year. Players who want to be here are what I want to see and it's time to move on and support the team. we all want the best for Charlton regardless of the owners so let's go forwards rather than just keep rolling out the same boring and negati
I never understand this 'move on and support the team' mantra. Everyone I know who, like me, has been vociferous in their condemnation of the régime has always supported the team to the fullest.
So it's "Apologists" that are calling the players every name under the sun to the point they don't want to play for us?
Is it Apologists that follow and abuse players on Facebook and Twitter and when they are blocked regard it as a badge of honour
Is it Apologists that hurl objects onto the pitch to disrupt the games?
Is it apologists that systematically victimise Chris and Sue? So what if Sue says something that pissed someone off once - how would you react if you had 2000 people slagging you off every day.
Everyone knows the club has gone backwards - we all see it. We all know it's been a crap journey for a few years. But the protests haven't convinced Roland to sell and neither will they in the immediate future. I've said this many times now but regardless of the ownership I am a Charlton fan. Always have been and always will be. We have a new season ahead and some slivers of positivity on the pitch so why not just support the team and drop all the petty name calling and squabbling amongst fans. Who knows - we might just start to enjoy ourselves once again.
Is it the apologists that have forced the regime to seemingly make a u-turn in their approach? No thought not. Time will tell if it is enough and it's a real change. I'd hold off on the gloating for a little longer.
It's not bullshit - he's trying to raise the club from the doldrums. He's changed a lot of things. The players are definitely fired up and seem more like the players from the title winning year. Players who want to be here are what I want to see and it's time to move on and support the team. we all want the best for Charlton regardless of the owners so let's go forwards rather than just keep rolling out the same boring and negati
I never understand this 'move on and support the team' mantra. Everyone I know who, like me, has been vociferous in their condemnation of the régime has always supported the team to the fullest.
So it's "Apologists" that are calling the players every name under the sun to the point they don't want to play for us?
Is it Apologists that follow and abuse players on Facebook and Twitter and when they are blocked regard it as a badge of honour
Is it Apologists that hurl objects onto the pitch to disrupt the games?
Is it apologists that systematically victimise Chris and Sue? So what if Sue says something that pissed someone off once - how would you react if you had 2000 people slagging you off every day.
Everyone knows the club has gone backwards - we all see it. We all know it's been a crap journey for a few years. But the protests haven't convinced Roland to sell and neither will they in the immediate future. I've said this many times now but regardless of the ownership I am a Charlton fan. Always have been and always will be. We have a new season ahead and some slivers of positivity on the pitch so why not just support the team and drop all the petty name calling and squabbling amongst fans. Who knows - we might just start to enjoy ourselves once again.
The first 2 things on your list happen at all clubs. They are nothing to do with whether someone is a protester or regime sympathiser.
It's not bullshit - he's trying to raise the club from the doldrums. He's changed a lot of things. The players are definitely fired up and seem more like the players from the title winning year. Players who want to be here are what I want to see and it's time to move on and support the team. we all want the best for Charlton regardless of the owners so let's go forwards rather than just keep rolling out the same boring and negati
I never understand this 'move on and support the team' mantra. Everyone I know who, like me, has been vociferous in their condemnation of the régime has always supported the team to the fullest.
So it's "Apologists" that are calling the players every name under the sun to the point they don't want to play for us?
Is it Apologists that follow and abuse players on Facebook and Twitter and when they are blocked regard it as a badge of honour
Is it Apologists that hurl objects onto the pitch to disrupt the games?
Is it apologists that systematically victimise Chris and Sue? So what if Sue says something that pissed someone off once - how would you react if you had 2000 people slagging you off every day.
Everyone knows the club has gone backwards - we all see it. We all know it's been a crap journey for a few years. But the protests haven't convinced Roland to sell and neither will they in the immediate future. I've said this many times now but regardless of the ownership I am a Charlton fan. Always have been and always will be. We have a new season ahead and some slivers of positivity on the pitch so why not just support the team and drop all the petty name calling and squabbling amongst fans. Who knows - we might just start to enjoy ourselves once again.
The first 2 things on your list happen at all clubs. They are nothing to do with whether someone is a protester or regime sympathiser.
Spot on. I've heard people at games that are completely against protests but regularly moan and criticise players.
he won't get anywhere near his valuation while we are in League 1 so if they want to force things forward then supporting us into a promotion - or even a promotion chasing team by January - will certainly do us no harm
so thats a yes to he is prepared to sell then and a u turn on your first post?
I will be forcing things forward on saturday at the game and feel the same way as you about Charlton. I am a ST/VG holder, museum trustee, CARD activist and eternal optimist. I want us to win every game (and attend my fair share home and away) and I want us to rid ourselves of this quite ridiculous ownership as soon as possible.
It's not bullshit - he's trying to raise the club from the doldrums. He's changed a lot of things. The players are definitely fired up and seem more like the players from the title winning year. Players who want to be here are what I want to see and it's time to move on and support the team. we all want the best for Charlton regardless of the owners so let's go forwards rather than just keep rolling out the same boring and negati
I never understand this 'move on and support the team' mantra. Everyone I know who, like me, has been vociferous in their condemnation of the régime has always supported the team to the fullest.
So it's "Apologists" that are calling the players every name under the sun to the point they don't want to play for us?
Is it Apologists that follow and abuse players on Facebook and Twitter and when they are blocked regard it as a badge of honour
Is it Apologists that hurl objects onto the pitch to disrupt the games?
Is it apologists that systematically victimise Chris and Sue? So what if Sue says something that pissed someone off once - how would you react if you had 2000 people slagging you off every day.
Everyone knows the club has gone backwards - we all see it. We all know it's been a crap journey for a few years. But the protests haven't convinced Roland to sell and neither will they in the immediate future. I've said this many times now but regardless of the ownership I am a Charlton fan. Always have been and always will be. We have a new season ahead and some slivers of positivity on the pitch so why not just support the team and drop all the petty name calling and squabbling amongst fans. Who knows - we might just start to enjoy ourselves once again.
What in the interview did you think was bullshit ?
The belief in the ownership. The fact he's met the owner only twice. The recent history he ignores.
Gobbinson isn't even sure if he's spoken to him once or twice over the summer WTF! Either FSG has alzheimers, was shitfaced or is Making It All Up. (option 2 worth an each way bet tho) The squad is still thin, especially at the back: 1 goalie, 3 fit centre halves and no experienced cover for either full back. Just cos this squad isn't as obviously inadequate as this time last season, doesn't mean it's actually up to scratch. Fings may not be quite as bad as 12 months back but that is a terribly low point from which to start. No amount of semi coherent cheery babble from this month's manager is gonna make this ordure smell like roses.
What in the interview did you think was bullshit ?
The belief in the ownership. The fact he's met the owner only twice. The recent history he ignores.
Gobbinson isn't even sure if he's spoken to him once or twice over the summer WTF! Either FSG has alzheimers, was shitfaced or is Making It All Up. (option 2 worth an each way bet tho) The squad is still thin, especially at the back: 1 goalie, 3 fit centre halves and no experienced cover for either full back. Just cos this squad isn't as obviously inadequate as this time last season, doesn't mean it's actually up to scratch. Fings may not be quite as bad as 12 months back but that is a terribly low point from which to start. No amount of semi coherent cheery babble from this month's manager is gonna make this ordure smell like roses.
2 keepers, 4 fit centre backs and Lennon due back, the only place we currently look short is left back, as I don't think many teams in League 1 has experienced players as back up in every position, and between Barnes, Dijksteel and Charles-Cook we have enough cover on the right.
What in the interview did you think was bullshit ?
The belief in the ownership. The fact he's met the owner only twice. The recent history he ignores.
Gobbinson isn't even sure if he's spoken to him once or twice over the summer WTF! Either FSG has alzheimers, was shitfaced or is Making It All Up. (option 2 worth an each way bet tho) The squad is still thin, especially at the back: 1 goalie, 3 fit centre halves and no experienced cover for either full back. Just cos this squad isn't as obviously inadequate as this time last season, doesn't mean it's actually up to scratch. Fings may not be quite as bad as 12 months back but that is a terribly low point from which to start. No amount of semi coherent cheery babble from this month's manager is gonna make this ordure smell like roses.
2 keepers, 4 fit centre backs and Lennon due back, the only place we currently look short is left back, as I don't think many teams in League 1 has experienced players as back up in every position, and between Barnes, Dijksteel and Charles-Cook we have enough cover on the right.
But you keep banging that drum, Thimblecock
Correct and to be fair we do have 2 left backs unfortunately Lewis Page is out long term, not many clubs in the third division will have 3 senior left backs
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Of course, if he's not referencing the interview...
"Support the team not the regime"
That is what we should do, I assume that the majority of us who read and write on this forum are Charlton supporters so support the team which to me also includes support for the manager and his assistants but not the SMT. To moan that we are in L1 with Millwall and Palace in higher divisions is superfluous, we have been in similar positions before and the only way out of it is to support the team.
However what supporting the team means is individual to each of us, to some it is having a season ticket and attending all matches, to theirs it is turning up for some games or just away games and for others it is withholding their presence from matches but still wanting the team to win.
Each to their own but at this moment just before the first match of the season please
SUPPORT THE TEAM NOT THE REGIME
I think Charlton may well do better this season on the playing side and great if that happens. But the main problems still remain.
( tbf reading the NS report, think KR's comments re fans staying away sound reasonable to me.)
Football is a journey a rollercoaster ride and supporting Charlton is certainly that.
Judge Robinson 10 games in but for now we should be giving him our full support. I know I will be on Saturday
Just as Roland is open and honest with fans about his intentions for the kloob.
I like Robinson's approach to football and they way he wants to play. It didn't work last season because we pressed too high for the players we have, i.e. to slow to react to counter attacks, see Rochdale and Shrewsbury away, but I think with Dasilva back and hopefully Pearce fit and Konsa staying, we should be better equipped.
I'm not sure if he's as naive as we think he is. He seems to have realised very quickly that he needs to get Katrien onside which may help him. Not sure Naby Sarr will be happy with that though.
If I get time later I'll check the history books for when if ever our footballing positions have been this shit in comparison to our nearest and dearest .
And the only way out of this shit is if the ownership helps the football management side of things work , not if me and my 4 sons scream our nuts off like we will be doing at The Valley this season
So it's "Apologists" that are calling the players every name under the sun to the point they don't want to play for us?
Is it Apologists that follow and abuse players on Facebook and Twitter and when they are blocked regard it as a badge of honour
Is it Apologists that hurl objects onto the pitch to disrupt the games?
Is it apologists that systematically victimise Chris and Sue? So what if Sue says something that pissed someone off once - how would you react if you had 2000 people slagging you off every day.
Everyone knows the club has gone backwards - we all see it. We all know it's been a crap journey for a few years. But the protests haven't convinced Roland to sell and neither will they in the immediate future. I've said this many times now but regardless of the ownership I am a Charlton fan. Always have been and always will be. We have a new season ahead and some slivers of positivity on the pitch so why not just support the team and drop all the petty name calling and squabbling amongst fans. Who knows - we might just start to enjoy ourselves once again.
I'm a Charlton fan, always have been always will.
I will be forcing things forward on saturday at the game and feel the same way as you about Charlton. I am a ST/VG holder, museum trustee, CARD activist and eternal optimist. I want us to win every game (and attend my fair share home and away) and I want us to rid ourselves of this quite ridiculous ownership as soon as possible.
The squad is still thin, especially at the back: 1 goalie, 3 fit centre halves and no experienced cover for either full back. Just cos this squad isn't as obviously inadequate as this time last season, doesn't mean it's actually up to scratch. Fings may not be quite as bad as 12 months back but that is a terribly low point from which to start. No amount of semi coherent cheery babble from this month's manager is gonna make this ordure smell like roses.
Not forgetting some of the actions by the Pilsbury Doughboy.
I'm getting the hang of this quoting lark @Tom in se9
But you keep banging that drum, Thimblecock