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    seth plum said:

    One useful feature of Tories is they provide a refuge for the selfish, so everybody knows where to go to learn about self serving, anti community, money driven, destructive and divisive bdhaviour.

    Were you awake during the Blair Brown years?
    I agree about the Tories but your post suggests it's only them. Extraordinary.
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    seth plum said:

    One useful feature of Tories is they provide a refuge for the selfish, so everybody knows where to go to learn about self serving, anti community, money driven, destructive and divisive bdhaviour.

    Were you awake during the Blair Brown years?
    I agree about the Tories but your post suggests it's only them. Extraordinary.
    Like comparing Hitler and Mother Teresa.

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    edited August 2018
    seth plum said:

    One useful feature of Tories is they provide a refuge for the selfish, so everybody knows where to go to learn about self serving, anti community, money driven, destructive and divisive bdhaviour.

    I'm always impressed by people like yourself who wear their righteousness so lightly. It must be difficult to live in a society with so many people who are clearly your moral inferiors.
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    seth plum said:

    One useful feature of Tories is they provide a refuge for the selfish, so everybody knows where to go to learn about self serving, anti community, money driven, destructive and divisive bdhaviour.

    Were you awake during the Blair Brown years?
    I agree about the Tories but your post suggests it's only them. Extraordinary.
    Like comparing Hitler and Mother Teresa.

    You are aware of all of the absolute horrors that were supported and endorsed by Mother Teresa, right?
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    seth plum said:

    One useful feature of Tories is they provide a refuge for the selfish, so everybody knows where to go to learn about self serving, anti community, money driven, destructive and divisive bdhaviour.

    Were you awake during the Blair Brown years?
    I agree about the Tories but your post suggests it's only them. Extraordinary.
    We are going round again. You mentioned Brown becoming leader when I mentioned May becoming leader.
    Despite what you say about what my post 'suggests' and incidentally I agree with you about evil politicians across the board, I am concerned about present day comparisons. The Tory policy towards housing, disability, public services amongst other things is much nastier than ideas out forward by others. The Tory defence is not to deny they are mendacious or that other policies are not more humane and community minded, no the defence is Theresa May for example braying at PMQ's that other (Labour) policies would 'bankrupt the country'.
    Tories don't even have the grace to pretend they give a chite.
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    seth plum said:

    One useful feature of Tories is they provide a refuge for the selfish, so everybody knows where to go to learn about self serving, anti community, money driven, destructive and divisive bdhaviour.

    I'm always impressed by people like yourself who wear their righteousness so lightly. It must be difficult to live in a society with so many people who are clearly your moral inferiors.
    At least the 'so many' are not the majority. Despite that they wield the power.
    When you say 'inferior' are you suggesting there is something wrong with being self serving, anti community, money driven destructive and divisive?
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    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/08/context-jeremy-corbyn-anti-semitism-john-mcdonnell-today-show-labour?amp

    Seems to me we're starting to get outrage fatigue on corbyn's anti semitism. Or, sorry, the latest SMEAR™ fatigue.
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    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/08/context-jeremy-corbyn-anti-semitism-john-mcdonnell-today-show-labour?amp

    Seems to me we're starting to get outrage fatigue on corbyn's anti semitism. Or, sorry, the latest SMEAR™ fatigue.

    Not surprising really is it. We throw a dozen things at you that the Tories do on a daily basis to undermine the entire country and it's people, and all you keep coming back with is this... You don't care about Tory policies killing British people, we get it.
    what about that what aboutism?

    You can be critical of the tories and corbyn. Mindblowing i know.
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    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/08/context-jeremy-corbyn-anti-semitism-john-mcdonnell-today-show-labour?amp

    Seems to me we're starting to get outrage fatigue on corbyn's anti semitism. Or, sorry, the latest SMEAR™ fatigue.

    Not surprising really is it. We throw a dozen things at you that the Tories do on a daily basis to undermine the entire country and it's people, and all you keep coming back with is this... You don't care about Tory policies killing British people, we get it.
    what about that what aboutism?

    You can be critical of the tories and corbyn. Mindblowing i know.
    I look forward to your criticism of the Tories on a thread I started to criticise the Tories.
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    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/08/context-jeremy-corbyn-anti-semitism-john-mcdonnell-today-show-labour?amp

    Seems to me we're starting to get outrage fatigue on corbyn's anti semitism. Or, sorry, the latest SMEAR™ fatigue.

    Not surprising really is it. We throw a dozen things at you that the Tories do on a daily basis to undermine the entire country and it's people, and all you keep coming back with is this... You don't care about Tory policies killing British people, we get it.
    what about that what aboutism?

    You can be critical of the tories and corbyn. Mindblowing i know.
    Then start a different thread as suggested.

    I am critical of both too, but while the Tories are fucking 62.3 million people, Corbyn is only fucking himself and his party, so I don't allow myself to be drawn away from the real problems by a right wing media with a vested interest in keeping the Tories in power, and help them to do so by helping spread their smokescreen tactics.
    there are multiple threads, all sunk because posters couldn't stand criticism of dear leader and started posting rothschild conspiracy theories and making personal attacks.
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    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/08/context-jeremy-corbyn-anti-semitism-john-mcdonnell-today-show-labour?amp

    Seems to me we're starting to get outrage fatigue on corbyn's anti semitism. Or, sorry, the latest SMEAR™ fatigue.

    Not surprising really is it. We throw a dozen things at you that the Tories do on a daily basis to undermine the entire country and it's people, and all you keep coming back with is this... You don't care about Tory policies killing British people, we get it.
    what about that what aboutism?

    You can be critical of the tories and corbyn. Mindblowing i know.
    I look forward to your criticism of the Tories on a thread I started to criticise the Tories.
    I have criticised the tories, if you care to read back on this thread?
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    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/08/context-jeremy-corbyn-anti-semitism-john-mcdonnell-today-show-labour?amp

    Seems to me we're starting to get outrage fatigue on corbyn's anti semitism. Or, sorry, the latest SMEAR™ fatigue.

    Not surprising really is it. We throw a dozen things at you that the Tories do on a daily basis to undermine the entire country and it's people, and all you keep coming back with is this... You don't care about Tory policies killing British people, we get it.
    what about that what aboutism?

    You can be critical of the tories and corbyn. Mindblowing i know.
    I look forward to your criticism of the Tories on a thread I started to criticise the Tories.
    I have criticised the tories, if you care to read back on this thread?
    So I can look forward to seeing some criticism of the Tories on this thread in the very near future?
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    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/08/context-jeremy-corbyn-anti-semitism-john-mcdonnell-today-show-labour?amp

    Seems to me we're starting to get outrage fatigue on corbyn's anti semitism. Or, sorry, the latest SMEAR™ fatigue.

    Not surprising really is it. We throw a dozen things at you that the Tories do on a daily basis to undermine the entire country and it's people, and all you keep coming back with is this... You don't care about Tory policies killing British people, we get it.
    what about that what aboutism?

    You can be critical of the tories and corbyn. Mindblowing i know.
    Then start a different thread as suggested.

    I am critical of both too, but while the Tories are fucking 62.3 million people, Corbyn is only fucking himself and his party, so I don't allow myself to be drawn away from the real problems by a right wing media with a vested interest in keeping the Tories in power, and help them to do so by helping spread their smokescreen tactics.
    ... I mustn't repeat what I have previously said...
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    edited August 2018

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/08/context-jeremy-corbyn-anti-semitism-john-mcdonnell-today-show-labour?amp

    Seems to me we're starting to get outrage fatigue on corbyn's anti semitism. Or, sorry, the latest SMEAR™ fatigue.

    Not surprising really is it. We throw a dozen things at you that the Tories do on a daily basis to undermine the entire country and it's people, and all you keep coming back with is this... You don't care about Tory policies killing British people, we get it.
    what about that what aboutism?

    You can be critical of the tories and corbyn. Mindblowing i know.
    Then start a different thread as suggested.

    I am critical of both too, but while the Tories are fucking 62.3 million people, Corbyn is only fucking himself and his party, so I don't allow myself to be drawn away from the real problems by a right wing media with a vested interest in keeping the Tories in power, and help them to do so by helping spread their smokescreen tactics.
    there are multiple threads, all sunk because posters couldn't stand criticism of dear leader and started posting rothschild conspiracy theories and making personal attacks.
    Did admin tell you that, as well as CAFC fan? Or have you both made that up as a smokescreen for your smokescreen? The people have a right to know... :wink:

    I note you choose not to respond to the second paragraph.
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    To answer the question in the thread title. They can’t. They represent the interests of the establishment and money. Any deviation from prioritising those interests would see them cease to be.

    You can criticise Labour for a million things but they do stand for the advancement and improving the lives of the “common” man. Difficult within the constraints of the free market and the existing balances of power but on the whole I’m very proud to be a Socialist. It’s a doctrine of looking after the hindmost rather than the Tory obsession with devil take. Corbyn doesn’t realise that in order to gain, keep and make a difference in power you have to play by certain rules. That’s why he’s bad for Labour. I have always worked on the basis that any Labour government is better than any Tory one but in order for that to happen Labour must first gain power and usually that’s against all the odds. Corbyn for me minimises Labours chances of achieving power.
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    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/08/context-jeremy-corbyn-anti-semitism-john-mcdonnell-today-show-labour?amp

    Seems to me we're starting to get outrage fatigue on corbyn's anti semitism. Or, sorry, the latest SMEAR™ fatigue.

    Not surprising really is it. We throw a dozen things at you that the Tories do on a daily basis to undermine the entire country and it's people, and all you keep coming back with is this... You don't care about Tory policies killing British people, we get it.
    what about that what aboutism?

    You can be critical of the tories and corbyn. Mindblowing i know.
    Then start a different thread as suggested.

    I am critical of both too, but while the Tories are fucking 62.3 million people, Corbyn is only fucking himself and his party, so I don't allow myself to be drawn away from the real problems by a right wing media with a vested interest in keeping the Tories in power, and help them to do so by helping spread their smokescreen tactics.
    there are multiple threads, all sunk because posters couldn't stand criticism of dear leader and started posting rothschild conspiracy theories and making personal attacks.
    Did admin tell you that, as well as CAFC fan? Or have you both made that up as a smokescreen for your smokescreen? The people have a right to know... :wink:

    I note you choose not to respond to the second paragraph.
    i note you chose not to respond to comment on corbyn's anti semitic comments. Are you enabling anti semitism in that case?

    But in response, sounds like you're moving into trumpian "fake news" territory there.
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    edited August 2018

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/08/context-jeremy-corbyn-anti-semitism-john-mcdonnell-today-show-labour?amp

    Seems to me we're starting to get outrage fatigue on corbyn's anti semitism. Or, sorry, the latest SMEAR™ fatigue.

    Not surprising really is it. We throw a dozen things at you that the Tories do on a daily basis to undermine the entire country and it's people, and all you keep coming back with is this... You don't care about Tory policies killing British people, we get it.
    what about that what aboutism?

    You can be critical of the tories and corbyn. Mindblowing i know.
    I look forward to your criticism of the Tories on a thread I started to criticise the Tories.
    I have criticised the tories, if you care to read back on this thread?
    So I can look forward to seeing some criticism of the Tories on this thread in the very near future?
    well, the tories have made the piss poor decision to have a holiday, so at the moment we're only left with corbyn's anti semitic comments and mates. But yes, when the circus starts again. You can probably find more of my anti tory comments in the eu thread.
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    seth plum said:

    On Brexit and foreign policy Corbyn is utterly useless and deserves criticism.
    On brexit the Tories are shredding the country whilst snuffling round the trough grubbing for personal advancement.
    There you go, a bit of balance right there.

    fixed that for ya, but completely agree.
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    Haha posted a link first thing today and no one responded to it so came back with another story a few hours later... keep going until you get a bite I suppose.
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    They could compel Gavin Williamson to sell his shares in Massey Ferguson.
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    seth plum said:

    On Brexit and foreign policy Corbyn is utterly useless and deserves criticism.
    On brexit the Tories are shredding the country whilst snuffling round the trough grubbing for personal advancement.
    There you go, a bit of balance right there.

    fixed that for ya, but completely agree.
    I am glad you make it clear you added 'foreign policy'. I wouldn't be able to, because I would be stuck on trying to understand what 'foreign' is.
    Being born in Kent and living in London, I would say that I am probably a cultural, social and political foreigner in this land although I am physically here.
    No way on earth do I consider myself to be part of the world inhabited by some posters on here, or that which is inhabited by most Tories.
    It is my personal tragedy that I have to exist in this current state.
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    seth plum said:

    seth plum said:

    On Brexit and foreign policy Corbyn is utterly useless and deserves criticism.
    On brexit the Tories are shredding the country whilst snuffling round the trough grubbing for personal advancement.
    There you go, a bit of balance right there.

    fixed that for ya, but completely agree.
    I am glad you make it clear you added 'foreign policy'. I wouldn't be able to, because I would be stuck on trying to understand what 'foreign' is.
    Being born in Kent and living in London, I would say that I am probably a cultural, social and political foreigner in this land although I am physically here.
    No way on earth do I consider myself to be part of the world inhabited by some posters on here, or that which is inhabited by most Tories.
    It is my personal tragedy that I have to exist in this current state.
    You could move?
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    seth plum said:

    seth plum said:

    On Brexit and foreign policy Corbyn is utterly useless and deserves criticism.
    On brexit the Tories are shredding the country whilst snuffling round the trough grubbing for personal advancement.
    There you go, a bit of balance right there.

    fixed that for ya, but completely agree.
    I am glad you make it clear you added 'foreign policy'. I wouldn't be able to, because I would be stuck on trying to understand what 'foreign' is.
    Being born in Kent and living in London, I would say that I am probably a cultural, social and political foreigner in this land although I am physically here.
    No way on earth do I consider myself to be part of the world inhabited by some posters on here, or that which is inhabited by most Tories.
    It is my personal tragedy that I have to exist in this current state.
    You could move?
    Is that a riff on 'if you don't like it fuck off'?
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    seth plum said:

    seth plum said:

    seth plum said:

    On Brexit and foreign policy Corbyn is utterly useless and deserves criticism.
    On brexit the Tories are shredding the country whilst snuffling round the trough grubbing for personal advancement.
    There you go, a bit of balance right there.

    fixed that for ya, but completely agree.
    I am glad you make it clear you added 'foreign policy'. I wouldn't be able to, because I would be stuck on trying to understand what 'foreign' is.
    Being born in Kent and living in London, I would say that I am probably a cultural, social and political foreigner in this land although I am physically here.
    No way on earth do I consider myself to be part of the world inhabited by some posters on here, or that which is inhabited by most Tories.
    It is my personal tragedy that I have to exist in this current state.
    You could move?
    Is that a riff on 'if you don't like it fuck off'?
    Maybe, a little, but if I Iived somewhere that made my life feel like a tragedy, or made me feel like a cultural, social and political foreigner I'd probably leave.

    Every time I return to The UK it feels less and less like home, which is why I have no plans to return.
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    edited August 2018
    seth plum said:

    seth plum said:

    seth plum said:

    On Brexit and foreign policy Corbyn is utterly useless and deserves criticism.
    On brexit the Tories are shredding the country whilst snuffling round the trough grubbing for personal advancement.
    There you go, a bit of balance right there.

    fixed that for ya, but completely agree.
    I am glad you make it clear you added 'foreign policy'. I wouldn't be able to, because I would be stuck on trying to understand what 'foreign' is.
    Being born in Kent and living in London, I would say that I am probably a cultural, social and political foreigner in this land although I am physically here.
    No way on earth do I consider myself to be part of the world inhabited by some posters on here, or that which is inhabited by most Tories.
    It is my personal tragedy that I have to exist in this current state.
    You could move?
    Is that a riff on 'if you don't like it fuck off'?
    To be fair to Stu it's probably, and simply, the opposite of what seems to be your thought process of 'I don't like it so everyone else should/can fuck' off.

    There's not even a fag paper between the stances.
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    seth plum said:

    seth plum said:

    seth plum said:

    On Brexit and foreign policy Corbyn is utterly useless and deserves criticism.
    On brexit the Tories are shredding the country whilst snuffling round the trough grubbing for personal advancement.
    There you go, a bit of balance right there.

    fixed that for ya, but completely agree.
    I am glad you make it clear you added 'foreign policy'. I wouldn't be able to, because I would be stuck on trying to understand what 'foreign' is.
    Being born in Kent and living in London, I would say that I am probably a cultural, social and political foreigner in this land although I am physically here.
    No way on earth do I consider myself to be part of the world inhabited by some posters on here, or that which is inhabited by most Tories.
    It is my personal tragedy that I have to exist in this current state.
    You could move?
    Is that a riff on 'if you don't like it fuck off'?
    Maybe, a little, but if I Iived somewhere that made my life feel like a tragedy, or made me feel like a cultural, social and political foreigner I'd probably leave.

    Every time I return to The UK it feels less and less like home, which is why I have no plans to return.
    I understand your reply, and respect it maybe a little. However sometimes decisions about leaving or not are often constrained by personal responsibility towards others, particularly relatives.
    Fucking off is not always an option for everybody.
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