Might be worth repeating this question, but do Tories actually stand for anything? The only ideology I can discern is the formalisation of selfishness and cold expediency disguised by the false claim that they are living in the real world. Tories seem to me to be a permanent blank canvas upon which the powerful and rich establishment paint whatever pictures they choose to suit themselves moment by moment. To me Tories represent the ultimate failure of human collaboration and community.
I think you can add to that an ethos of doing the bare minimum that keeps the masses onside under the banner of being responsible whilst maintaining the top bottom gap at all costs by predominantly looking after the interests of the rich and the establishment, dressed up with the mega lie of trickle down wealth. The financial crash was manna from heaven to the Tories. A chance to punish the poorest and most vulnerable and increase the wealth gap. They are very efficient at that.
Might be worth repeating this question, but do Tories actually stand for anything? The only ideology I can discern is the formalisation of selfishness and cold expediency disguised by the false claim that they are living in the real world. Tories seem to me to be a permanent blank canvas upon which the powerful and rich establishment paint whatever pictures they choose to suit themselves moment by moment. To me Tories represent the ultimate failure of human collaboration and community.
This chestnut again.
The reason the tories are the oldest and most successful main political party is precisely because there’s no cast iron ideology to pin them to. This has allowed them to continually adapt and reinvent themselves. Thatcher reinvented the party, but now it seems they’re reinventing themselves to be petty isolationists.
Might be worth repeating this question, but do Tories actually stand for anything? The only ideology I can discern is the formalisation of selfishness and cold expediency disguised by the false claim that they are living in the real world. Tories seem to me to be a permanent blank canvas upon which the powerful and rich establishment paint whatever pictures they choose to suit themselves moment by moment. To me Tories represent the ultimate failure of human collaboration and community.
This chestnut again.
The reason the tories are the oldest and most successful main political party is precisely because there’s no cast iron ideology to pin them to. This has allowed them to continually adapt and reinvent themselves. Thatcher reinvented the party, but now it seems they’re reinventing themselves to be petty isolationists.
Might be worth repeating this question, but do Tories actually stand for anything? The only ideology I can discern is the formalisation of selfishness and cold expediency disguised by the false claim that they are living in the real world. Tories seem to me to be a permanent blank canvas upon which the powerful and rich establishment paint whatever pictures they choose to suit themselves moment by moment. To me Tories represent the ultimate failure of human collaboration and community.
This chestnut again.
The reason the tories are the oldest and most successful main political party is precisely because there’s no cast iron ideology to pin them to. This has allowed them to continually adapt and reinvent themselves. Thatcher reinvented the party, but now it seems they’re reinventing themselves to be petty isolationists.
Successful is a notion up for debate. They have existed a long time no argument there but to me longevity does not equate to success.
Tories don’t eat babies or knowingly kill anyone. I do believe however that some of their misguided policies have resulted in deaths. I’m not in any doubt about that.
The poor have been supported by food banks. Now I am not suggesting that the Tories declare 'fuck the food banks' like some might declare 'fuck the NHS', but I know which party politicians who create and support the establishment of food banks in times and areas of great need, which party those politicians come from. In my constituency it is the local Labour party MP.
Might be worth repeating this question, but do Tories actually stand for anything? The only ideology I can discern is the formalisation of selfishness and cold expediency disguised by the false claim that they are living in the real world. Tories seem to me to be a permanent blank canvas upon which the powerful and rich establishment paint whatever pictures they choose to suit themselves moment by moment. To me Tories represent the ultimate failure of human collaboration and community.
This chestnut again.
The reason the tories are the oldest and most successful main political party is precisely because there’s no cast iron ideology to pin them to. This has allowed them to continually adapt and reinvent themselves. Thatcher reinvented the party, but now it seems they’re reinventing themselves to be petty isolationists.
Successful is a notion up for debate. They have existed a long time no argument there but to me longevity does not equate to success.
Well they’re in government and as recently as 2015 had a majority.
Might be worth repeating this question, but do Tories actually stand for anything? The only ideology I can discern is the formalisation of selfishness and cold expediency disguised by the false claim that they are living in the real world. Tories seem to me to be a permanent blank canvas upon which the powerful and rich establishment paint whatever pictures they choose to suit themselves moment by moment. To me Tories represent the ultimate failure of human collaboration and community.
This chestnut again.
The reason the tories are the oldest and most successful main political party is precisely because there’s no cast iron ideology to pin them to. This has allowed them to continually adapt and reinvent themselves. Thatcher reinvented the party, but now it seems they’re reinventing themselves to be petty isolationists.
Successful is a notion up for debate. They have existed a long time no argument there but to me longevity does not equate to success.
Well they’re in government and as recently as 2015 had a majority.
The Tory legacy is North Sea oil. While Norway invested for future generations, the Tories have it away in tax cuts.
True to an extent however BP are one of the largest (if not the largest) single contributor to the exchequer.
I would take issue with the notion of being in Government and being successful, however I acknowledge that if success is measured by winning elections then that is one definition. However you originally said that 'The reason the tories are the oldest and most successful main political party is precisely because there’s no cast iron ideology to pin them to.' not that being the most successful is winning elections. That is the bit that interests me, the lack of ideology that I at least can identify. It is a wonder to me that they have so called success in winning elections when they present no ideological principles to the electorate, but obviously they do. I suppose one conclusion is that those that vote Tory don't really give a shit, and they have enough numbers to win.
Might be worth repeating this question, but do Tories actually stand for anything? The only ideology I can discern is the formalisation of selfishness and cold expediency disguised by the false claim that they are living in the real world. Tories seem to me to be a permanent blank canvas upon which the powerful and rich establishment paint whatever pictures they choose to suit themselves moment by moment. To me Tories represent the ultimate failure of human collaboration and community.
This chestnut again.
The reason the tories are the oldest and most successful main political party is precisely because there’s no cast iron ideology to pin them to. This has allowed them to continually adapt and reinvent themselves. Thatcher reinvented the party, but now it seems they’re reinventing themselves to be petty isolationists.
Successful is a notion up for debate. They have existed a long time no argument there but to me longevity does not equate to success.
Well they’re in government and as recently as 2015 had a majority.
You can refuse to meet with fellow world leaders if you really wanted to make a stand. Taking it to extremes but look at the North Korea situation and there’s plenty more.
Anyway... how do the Tories need to change? Hopefully not into the hands of this lot.
making utterly terrible PR mistakes like grandstanding and refusing to apologise and making a massive deal about something that's not really relevant is more of corbyn policy tbh.
Also, good god, young tories love communism as well? Extraordinary.
Maybe file under "idiot students are idiots on freshers week".
You are a fraud and a hypocrite.
Lol? How so?
You are not worth the effort.
Throwing around personal attacks and retreating back and refusing to explain why. One might mistaken you for a coward.
I will give this to the Tories, they know how to dress for an annual conference in a manner that suggests they are grown adults ready to run the country and not a bunch of hung over students and activists who have never had a proper job! It makes a pleasant change from the DMs, food stained slogan tee-shirts, tattoos, red dyed hair. And that is just the women! Even if every single word they speak is either Brexit bolloxs or hypocritical lies they dress properly for the task of presenting themselves to the nation asking that they should be given the job of running our government again at the next election.
needs more palestine flags and the undertone of intimidation of an ethnic minority imo.
shock horror leaders of governments meet. Down with this sort of thing.
This is why you are a fraud and a hypocrite @kentaddick .
After months of criticising anything you consider anti Semitic on the left it turns out you are OK with Theresa May meeting, shaking hands with and being pictured smiling with somebody who openly describes themselves as anti-Semitic.
I will give this to the Tories, they know how to dress for an annual conference in a manner that suggests they are grown adults ready to run the country and not a bunch of hung over students and activists who have never had a proper job! It makes a pleasant change from the DMs, food stained slogan tee-shirts, tattoos, red dyed hair. And that is just the women! Even if every single word they speak is either Brexit bolloxs or hypocritical lies they dress properly for the task of presenting themselves to the nation asking that they should be given the job of running our government again at the next election.
needs more palestine flags and the undertone of intimidation of an ethnic minority imo.
shock horror leaders of governments meet. Down with this sort of thing.
This is why you are a fraud and a hypocrite @kentaddick .
After months of criticising anything you consider anti Semitic on the left it turns out you are OK with Theresa May meeting, shaking hands with and being pictured smiling with somebody who openly describes themselves as anti-Semitic.
When did I say I was okay with it? It’s just a logical fallacy to compare a backbench mp rubbing shoulders with anti semites who openly want to kill Jews (and do kill Jews) with a head of a government meeting another head of a government who just so happens to be a vile anti Semite.
I’m also unsure on where that leaves your opinion on corbyn’s activities? Is it okay Corbyn and his mates shake hands with anti semites but not may? Doesn’t that make you a hypocrite and a fraud?
I will give this to the Tories, they know how to dress for an annual conference in a manner that suggests they are grown adults ready to run the country and not a bunch of hung over students and activists who have never had a proper job! It makes a pleasant change from the DMs, food stained slogan tee-shirts, tattoos, red dyed hair. And that is just the women! Even if every single word they speak is either Brexit bolloxs or hypocritical lies they dress properly for the task of presenting themselves to the nation asking that they should be given the job of running our government again at the next election.
needs more palestine flags and the undertone of intimidation of an ethnic minority imo.
shock horror leaders of governments meet. Down with this sort of thing.
This is why you are a fraud and a hypocrite @kentaddick .
After months of criticising anything you consider anti Semitic on the left it turns out you are OK with Theresa May meeting, shaking hands with and being pictured smiling with somebody who openly describes themselves as anti-Semitic.
When did I say I was okay with it? It’s just a logical fallacy to compare a backbench mp rubbing shoulders with anti semites who openly want to kill Jews (and do kill Jews) with a head of a government meeting another head of a government who just so happens to be a vile anti Semite.
I’m also unsure on where that leaves your opinion on corbyn’s activities? Is it okay Corbyn and his mates shake hands with anti semites but not may? Doesn’t that make you a hypocrite and a fraud?
I will give this to the Tories, they know how to dress for an annual conference in a manner that suggests they are grown adults ready to run the country and not a bunch of hung over students and activists who have never had a proper job! It makes a pleasant change from the DMs, food stained slogan tee-shirts, tattoos, red dyed hair. And that is just the women! Even if every single word they speak is either Brexit bolloxs or hypocritical lies they dress properly for the task of presenting themselves to the nation asking that they should be given the job of running our government again at the next election.
needs more palestine flags and the undertone of intimidation of an ethnic minority imo.
shock horror leaders of governments meet. Down with this sort of thing.
This is why you are a fraud and a hypocrite @kentaddick .
After months of criticising anything you consider anti Semitic on the left it turns out you are OK with Theresa May meeting, shaking hands with and being pictured smiling with somebody who openly describes themselves as anti-Semitic.
When did I say I was okay with it? It’s just a logical fallacy to compare a backbench mp rubbing shoulders with anti semites who openly want to kill Jews (and do kill Jews) with a head of a government meeting another head of a government who just so happens to be a vile anti Semite.
I’m also unsure on where that leaves your opinion on corbyn’s activities? Is it okay Corbyn and his mates shake hands with anti semites but not may? Doesn’t that make you a hypocrite and a fraud?
Like i said, you are not worth the effort.
So it is okay that Corbyn cohorts with anti semites but not may? Good to know your position.
I feel like my CL survivor series has taken on a new twist. Kent Addick going toe to toe with Greenie and Cordoban runs into the ring and smashes him over the head with a steel chair
I feel like my CL survivor series has taken on a new twist. Kent Addick going toe to toe with Greenie and Cordoban runs into the ring and smashes him over the head with a steel chair
It's all kicking off and for once I'm not involved :-)
You and Mutts aren’t done by a long shot, there’s plenty more debate over tax to be done imo. This forum could explode were we to get a general election next year
It's all kicking off and for once I'm not involved :-)
You and Mutts aren’t done by a long shot, there’s plenty more debate over tax to be done imo. This forum could explode were we to get a general election next year
Which is more than possible, but the Tories are running away with it, Corbyn is a dead duck so there's no debate to be had really ;-)
Although with the budget/Autumn statement less than 3 weeks away I think it could get spiced up a bit.
Last time I looked the post conference polls had Labour ahead. Not that it matters - Labour don't have to win an election for Corbyn to be PM. That important point keeps getting missed.
Last time I looked the post conference polls had Labour ahead. Not that it matters - Labour don't have to win an election for Corbyn to be PM. That important point keeps getting missed.
... yes they do.
Unless you want him to undemocratically seize power.
No they don't. If it weren't for the DUP he would be Prime Minister now! That isn't a political point, just a statement of fact. It would probably be a more democratic government seeing as other parties will have more ability to influence it!
No they don't. If it weren't for the DUP he would be Prime Minister now! That isn't a political point, just a statement of fact. It would probably be a more democratic government seeing as other parties will have more ability to influence it!
No they don't. If it weren't for the DUP he would be Prime Minister now! That isn't a political point, just a statement of fact. It would probably be a more democratic government seeing as other parties will have more ability to influence it!
what would have happened is may would've been unable to pass the queen's speech. Which would then have triggered another general election. Then who knows? But it would have required labour to have more seats than anyone else, or may would have seeked to form a government again. So yes, he does need to win an election.
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The reason the tories are the oldest and most successful main political party is precisely because there’s no cast iron ideology to pin them to. This has allowed them to continually adapt and reinvent themselves. Thatcher reinvented the party, but now it seems they’re reinventing themselves to be petty isolationists.
They have existed a long time no argument there but to me longevity does not equate to success.
Now I am not suggesting that the Tories declare 'fuck the food banks' like some might declare 'fuck the NHS', but I know which party politicians who create and support the establishment of food banks in times and areas of great need, which party those politicians come from. In my constituency it is the local Labour party MP.
However you originally said that 'The reason the tories are the oldest and most successful main political party is precisely because there’s no cast iron ideology to pin them to.' not that being the most successful is winning elections.
That is the bit that interests me, the lack of ideology that I at least can identify. It is a wonder to me that they have so called success in winning elections when they present no ideological principles to the electorate, but obviously they do. I suppose one conclusion is that those that vote Tory don't really give a shit, and they have enough numbers to win.
After months of criticising anything you consider anti Semitic on the left it turns out you are OK with Theresa May meeting, shaking hands with and being pictured smiling with somebody who openly describes themselves as anti-Semitic.
I’m also unsure on where that leaves your opinion on corbyn’s activities? Is it okay Corbyn and his mates shake hands with anti semites but not may? Doesn’t that make you a hypocrite and a fraud?
Although with the budget/Autumn statement less than 3 weeks away I think it could get spiced up a bit.
Unless you want him to undemocratically seize power.