Not sure I believe anyone but JamesSeed regarding the Aussies. Not sure I believe anyone else about anything.
It's not about believing or not believing anyone.
All sources are biased, all give their take on things, some people swallow what they are told uncritically hook, line and "nothing is happening".
Some news is mangled in the telling (Bexley Boy) and some is on a time lag. Most people just pass on what they are told and then it is up to each of us to weigh that in the light of other views.
Others over-react to each new bit of news so they are either as high as a kite or in a pit of depression.
That's why I'm just waiting for 1000 pages and joining #teamWIOTOS
I just don't get this new piece of news, not that I'm doubting NLA, but I've been thinking about the potential proposition - RD sells the CAFC name, players, the few staff left. Aussies pay for what? Then unless there are very strict T&C's, RD could simply kick them out of Sparrows La and The Valley. If, and I don't doubt he is, Muir is such an astute businessman, there is no way on earth he would even think about buying a name, some average players and a few members of staff, for the amount of money being bandied about!! Something doesn't add up, so are we getting 'false' information from the RD side? If so for what reason? Trying to discredit the buyers before they signed the paperwork? I know RD is somewhat mad, but surely he wouldn't do that and jeopardize the sale!! So what can be the reason for giving out negative propaganda? Maybe RD is hoping that by spreading false info he will 'chivvy' along the sale, but if that is his reason he is playing a dangerous game, what happens if the Aussies say they had enough and walk away? Donald Muir's lot have gone, Saudi's gone, British group mentioned by RM, I think is a figment of RM's imagination, unless it is him personally, and that would be bad if he got hold of the club again, in my opinion, as he is part of the damage currently being done. I wish I had the answers, but I do think the end game is upon us, I just dont know what way its going to go. I reckon it'll be over within the next few days...good or bad.
Are you ITK? I can't remember who is or isn't anymore.
I’m beginning to think even the Aussies and RD aren’t ITK.
That’s what I’ve been saying all the way along. The Aussies ‘thought’ the sales would happen by the end of May. But things happen. They’ve never been wrong because they’ve always said should or may or we hope.
I wouldn’t be surprised if I get a message or call saying we’re still working on it.
But totally understandable that tempers are fraying and fans are getting impatient. Horrible situation.
NLA gets his news indirectly from RD. RD wants out. In the meantime if things are dragging and with clear evidence of fake stories having been put out by RD previously, it would not surprise me if RD is spreading junk like this to wind up fans he is annoyed with. Ignore for me.
(Sorry, to be clear, not a dig at NLA who is just passing on news. I just don’t trust the source).
The most optimistic spin I can put on this is that there is a temporary shortage of funds, (i.e. new investors have funds, but theyre not instantly accessible, as is often the case with wealthy people).
Perhaps the funds are there to buy the club without the land etc, but new funding will arrive say in two months time. So in order to complete the sale, a temporary fix is being put in place, meaning they could at least get on with the day to day business that needs to be done before the season starts. And yes, I'm clutching at straws here.
But after the talk of funding a long term bid to get us back the the premier league this is all very worrying. Am hoping for a message asap.
I had thought this back when the Aussie were first mentioned and the ground and training ground being separated was first mooted. It would make sense but you'd have to put in a clause that Roland couldn't do anything with it during this time period (sell the actual seats, build a hotel in the middle of the centre circle etc).
Unfortunately it is still just rumour until it is on the official site
NLA gets his news indirectly from RD. RD wants out. In the meantime if things are dragging and with clear evidence of fake stories having been put out by RD previously, it would not surprise me if RD is spreading junk like this to wind up fans he is annoyed with. Ignore for me.
(Sorry, to be clear, not a dig at NLA who is just passing on news. I just don’t trust the source).
If - everyone ITK was to be believed, we would all be grey now, opps, I am already grey, but no matter, there's been more stories told here than ever I'd seen or heard on Jackanory.
No offence to anyone, but there are only a few people who would make me sit up and listen, that's Airman, Jimmy, and Crawley, without mentioning names, there are some on this thread who I feel are intent on giving knowingly false news, only they know why, but I will stick by those I do trust who have our club at heart.
You get the impression that this Aussie consortium do not have pot to piss when it comes to paying for the purchase and running costs of a football club, or like Roland they want to run it on shoe string as not willing to splash the cash to run a competative football club. If so we would no better off under them than Roland. If they do purchase the club which I strongly doubt, the protest groups willl have a problem, it is 10,000 miles to Australia.
I have thought for along time the NEWS suggested by NLA would be one way that RD could get near his daft valuation of the club. All numbers aprox;
*Sells the playing side for £20 mill * Leaseses The Valley and Sparrows Lane for £1 mill a year for 5 years . * Sells to the original buyers of the playing side for £7-10 mill
Total £32 --£42 mill
Im thinking that The Aussies lost two people and cant reach RDs figure. RD wants out big time and the lease of The Valley and Sparrows Lane gives The Aussies time to get other investors in place. It also means RD gets cash and gets rid of the running cost.
It would also explain why the "legals" are taking so long as they are completely different from the original scenario.
A reminder of what Duchatelet said just a month ago, regarding the prospect of separating football club from real estate.
ROT 1 Are they both Australian or is one Australian and one British?
RD Yeah
ROT 1 One British, - interesting, and do you think it could happen soon?
RD I’ve hoped since months that it will happen soon
ROT 2 I bet yeah
ROT 3 Imminent, imminent?
ROT 1 Is the reason it hasn’t happened is it because err, there are some conditions that the buyers don’t appreciate?
RD No, the reason that it hasn’t happened is finding the funds to erm buy the club
ROT 2 Right, okay. We did wonder that
ROT 4 And is your intention to sell everything?
RD Everything yeah, well because the other thing is that er, the other way to do it was that we would keep for example the property, and they would buy the club, but then the ex-directors did not agree with that huh
ROT 2 Right
ROT 1 They still have an interest don’t they
RD And that was the problem
ROT 3 Yeah, well I guess you can make a clean break
RD Yeah yeah well it’s, yeah..
ROT 3 That would be good for all of us
RD And then there were some discussions with the ex-directors and some did agree huh, to have an arrangement, and that they er, and some did not agree. For example Richard Murray he did agree because he’s a very, he’s a super guy Richard Murray huh, he works hard for the club huh, and he was also criticised and er, although he’s his thoughts have always been with the club huh. He was, he was not my assistant or whatever…
ROT 2 So it needed every director to agree then yeah?
RD Yeah, we needed every director to agree and in fact, I think er, four of the seven agreed and three didn’t agree or something like that.
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All sources are biased, all give their take on things, some people swallow what they are told uncritically hook, line and "nothing is happening".
Some news is mangled in the telling (Bexley Boy) and some is on a time lag. Most people just pass on what they are told and then it is up to each of us to weigh that in the light of other views.
Others over-react to each new bit of news so they are either as high as a kite or in a pit of depression.
That's why I'm just waiting for 1000 pages and joining #teamWIOTOS
Everything else then makes sense
I wish I had the answers, but I do think the end game is upon us, I just dont know what way its going to go. I reckon it'll be over within the next few days...good or bad.
They’ve never been wrong because they’ve always said should or may or we hope.
I wouldn’t be surprised if I get a message or call saying we’re still working on it.
But totally understandable that tempers are fraying and fans are getting impatient.
Horrible situation.
Dream big.
(Sorry, to be clear, not a dig at NLA who is just passing on news. I just don’t trust the source).
Unfortunately it is still just rumour until it is on the official site
#TeamWIOTOS
‘All incorrect’.
No offence to anyone, but there are only a few people who would make me sit up and listen, that's Airman, Jimmy, and Crawley, without mentioning names, there are some on this thread who I feel are intent on giving knowingly false news, only they know why, but I will stick by those I do trust who have our club at heart.
That is serious power.
*Sells the playing side for £20 mill
* Leaseses The Valley and Sparrows Lane for £1 mill a year for 5 years .
* Sells to the original buyers of the playing side for £7-10 mill
Total £32 --£42 mill
Im thinking that The Aussies lost two people and cant reach RDs figure. RD wants out big time and the lease of The Valley and Sparrows Lane gives The Aussies time to get other investors in place. It also means RD gets cash and gets rid of the running cost.
It would also explain why the "legals" are taking so long as they are completely different from the original scenario.
Come running down stairs, fire up computer and find..... FALSE ALARM.
Just a rehash of the recent joint statement i understand.
Told the wife she is sleeping in the dog kennel tonight
ROT 1 Are they both Australian or is one Australian and one British?
RD Yeah
ROT 1 One British, - interesting, and do you think it could happen soon?
RD I’ve hoped since months that it will happen soon
ROT 2 I bet yeah
ROT 3 Imminent, imminent?
ROT 1 Is the reason it hasn’t happened is it because err, there are some conditions that the buyers don’t appreciate?
RD No, the reason that it hasn’t happened is finding the funds to erm buy the club
ROT 2 Right, okay. We did wonder that
ROT 4 And is your intention to sell everything?
RD Everything yeah, well because the other thing is that er, the other way to do it was that we would keep for example the property, and they would buy the club, but then the ex-directors did not agree with that huh
ROT 2 Right
ROT 1 They still have an interest don’t they
RD And that was the problem
ROT 3 Yeah, well I guess you can make a clean break
RD Yeah yeah well it’s, yeah..
ROT 3 That would be good for all of us
RD And then there were some discussions with the ex-directors and some did agree huh, to have an arrangement, and that they er, and some did not agree. For example Richard Murray he did agree because he’s a very, he’s a super guy Richard Murray huh, he works hard for the club huh, and he was also criticised and er, although he’s his thoughts have always been with the club huh. He was, he was not my assistant or whatever…
ROT 2 So it needed every director to agree then yeah?
RD Yeah, we needed every director to agree and in fact, I think er, four of the seven agreed and three didn’t agree or something like that.