How in fucking gods name did they think they was ever going to be able to buy a new player or even pay for a 2 year contract if they can't raise the funds for the basics of buying a club.
Let's haggle for a club and stick with the same players or less that they couldn't get out of this league with for the past 2 years?
The way I see it is the Aussies know that there paying over the odds for the club if this gives them extra funds to push us up the league and into the championship then is it a bad thing and say in 2-3 years when extra funds are in the club then buy it off him
It seems we get good news followed by bad news each week. We hear takeover is very close THEN Roland comes to town We hear Aussies are still in it THEN NLA shares the above.
This has been the whole story regarding the takeover and it's hard to keep track of all the different sources and stories as they consistently contradict each other (not saying any are wrong, I'm sure they have been told in good faith) it's just hard to keep up.
I have moved into Team WIOTOS's camp though because of all the mis-information out there. (However the state of this week's statement on the official site has also made me wonder about that too)
I am surprised so many rely on the so called insider knowledge of the takeover from some posters, even though every prediction up til know has either been way off on timing, entirely wrong, common knowledge already in the press or tidbits so nebulous that, whether right or wrong, they cannot be evaluated after the fact.
It's like the clock being right twice a day. Just because the claim of two o'clock is eventually correct does not mean the prediction was correct. And just because the clock struck two, does not mean the person who made the prediction deserves credit, especially when it comes literally months after the predictions were made.
The fact is, the predictions have all been wrong. And here we are almost half a year later and no one still has much of an idea wtf is going to happen or when.
Whose predictions? I've been careful not to predict anything. Just passed on what I was told, and normally added a caveat. Plenty of people are guessing, but where's the harm in that?
Correct. You have not predicted anything, but you have passed on what one member of the consortium has asked you to. If it has been true or false does not matter as at least we had an insight as to one parties view.
To be strictly accurate our first conversation was pretty random, and I certainly didn’t get the impression that they were trying to get a message out there or anything. In fact he was a bit pissed off how the news spread, even though I asked him if it was ok to share it. Since then it’s been very, very limited, and just a response to me asking if they were pulling out or something. NDAs etc.
To be fair, you did set up a blog after going for a beer with him. All appreciated though.
If all this talk of the Aussies buying the club but Roland keeping hold of the valley and sparrows lane are true I would rather nothing happens. If the Aussies and Roland can't come to an agreement that means that the Aussies buy the lot I would hope they just walk away. That would leave Roland losing potentially 10 million over the next year and force him to lower his asking price to a more realistic price. In the meantime it appears we may be stuck with him for next season.
Calm down everybody, my understanding is that a lease of the ground can't be granted without the former directors' approval / consent as that is the main part of their security under their debentures.
Surely all this came up ages ago - when this thread started - about retention of the ground. It's possible that the Aussies won't or can't raise enough to pay RD what he demands. Pay him a lump sum as a down payment and structure the deal that the Valley and training ground are rented until certain conditions (promotion to prem, whatever?) are met - this must be part of the T's and C's that the right to the other assets are included. That way the deal can progress. As ever, the devil will be in the fine detail of the deal. Can't jump to conclusions. There is another complexity - as @Airman Brown has pointed out on many occasions - that the 7 debenture holder's have a say on the assets and ALL must agree to any arrangement. All this, and other things, are probably causing the delays.
Calm down everybody, my understanding is that a lease of the ground can't be granted without the former directors' approval / consent as that is the main part of their security under their debentures.
Agree and I thought that they recently didn't give permission for this to happen...
It seems we get good news followed by bad news each week. We hear takeover is very close THEN Roland comes to town We hear Aussies are still in it THEN NLA shares the above.
This has been the whole story regarding the takeover and it's hard to keep track of all the different sources and stories as they consistently contradict each other (not saying any are wrong, I'm sure they have been told in good faith) it's just hard to keep up.
I have moved into Team WIOTOS's camp though because of all the mis-information out there. (However the state of this week's statement on the official site has also made me wonder about that too)
#TeamWIOTOS
This is absolutely spot on. A clear pattern is emerging of spin and manipulation. It can't go on.
If RD wants to get us out of his hair totally, he has to sell the club AND The Valley AND Sparrows Lane. If not, I have a feeling the protests against him will continue if progress on the pitch fails to materialise / the buyers run out of cash and we go even further backwards.
IF it is true then it is only acceptable if it is a deal with an agreement to purchase the outstanding assets at a set time, although having said that what happens say in two years if they still lack the funds to do so?
Calm down everybody, my understanding is that a lease of the ground can't be granted without the former directors' approval / consent as that is the main part of their security under their debentures.
Good point, always comes up when the rumours about RD keeping the ground and training ground come up.
Feels like we’re going in circles here. Remember this about a month ago?
The rumour was only 3 of the 7 former directors agreed to it.
Duchatelet, who bought Charlton for around £20m in 2014, wanted to lease the Valley when new owners took over.
However, that could only happen if former Charlton directors agreed to it unanimously. It is understood that only three out of seven directors agreed to lease the stadium.
Calm down everybody, my understanding is that a lease of the ground can't be granted without the former directors' approval / consent as that is the main part of their security under their debentures.
Unless they are no longer in that position and have been paid up
Maybe the sale of konsa has assisted in this eh ??
IF it is true then it is only acceptable if it is a deal with an agreement to purchase the outstanding assets at a set time, although having said that what happens say in two years if they still lack the funds to do so?
Not doubting what NLA has been told but ask yourselves what's the main thing that would cause a sh1t storm to get the fans anti Aussies to chivvy them along? Yep tell em after gloriously getting the Valley back you are now going lose it from the club.again. Nah as I said the other day brinkmanship to the max. Try it on someome else you mad old scrote I ain't playing anymore .
Not doubting what NLA has been told but ask yourselves what's the main thing that would cause a sh1t storm to get at the fans anti Aussies? Yep tell em after gloriously getting the Valley back you are now going loose it from the club.again. Nah as I said the other day brinkmanship to the max. Try it on someome else you mad old scrote I ain't playing anymore .
Not doubting what NLA has been told but ask yourselves what's the main thing that would cause a sh1t storm to get at the fans anti Aussies? Yep tell em after gloriously getting the Valley back you are now going loose it from the club.again. Nah as I said the other day brinkmanship to the max. Try it on someome else you mad old scrote I ain't playing anymore .
I don’t see any value in RD making shit for the Aussies
Calm down everybody, my understanding is that a lease of the ground can't be granted without the former directors' approval / consent as that is the main part of their security under their debentures.
I really hope this is true and that former directors save us from what would be a seriously terrible plan. Severing the ownership of the Valley from the Club would be a travesty, if this is even in their thoughts then the Aussies have no place at our club.
Calm down everybody, my understanding is that a lease of the ground can't be granted without the former directors' approval / consent as that is the main part of their security under their debentures.
Unless they are no longer in that position and have been paid up
Maybe the sale of konsa has assisted in this eh ??
In that case Konsa’s sale wouldn’t cover a month or two’s losses and RD will also have to spend money on that.
Its got to the point where i will just wait for any official statement, bad or good, too much of the "he says, she says" cobblers.
I do appreciate the attempts to provide information to us but the information is at different ends of the spectrum and in the end, its frustrating to read. Not to mention the fact the roller coaster of emotions that tag along with it!!
Calm down everybody, my understanding is that a lease of the ground can't be granted without the former directors' approval / consent as that is the main part of their security under their debentures.
Unless they are no longer in that position and have been paid up
Maybe the sale of konsa has assisted in this eh ??
In that case Konsa’s sale wouldn’t cover a month or two’s losses and RD will also have to spend money on that.
Calm down everybody, my understanding is that a lease of the ground can't be granted without the former directors' approval / consent as that is the main part of their security under their debentures.
Unless they are no longer in that position and have been paid up
Maybe the sale of konsa has assisted in this eh ??
Can’t believe we wouldn’t have heard from at least one if this was the case.
The most optimistic spin I can put on this is that there is a temporary shortage of funds, (i.e. new investors have funds, but theyre not instantly accessible, as is often the case with wealthy people).
Perhaps the funds are there to buy the club without the land etc, but new funding will arrive say in two months time. So in order to complete the sale, a temporary fix is being put in place, meaning they could at least get on with the day to day business that needs to be done before the season starts. And yes, I'm clutching at straws here.
But after the talk of funding a long term bid to get us back the the premier league this is all very worrying. Am hoping for a message asap.
Calm down everybody, my understanding is that a lease of the ground can't be granted without the former directors' approval / consent as that is the main part of their security under their debentures.
I really hope this is true and that former directors save us from what would be a seriously terrible plan. Severing the ownership of the Valley from the Club would be a travesty, if this is even in their thoughts then the Aussies have no place at our club.
I think it’s a lot to ask of people to write off money ( however we do know they are fans)
So what if that caused the collapse of the deal and the word that the deal fell through due to no sale from directors or that they acted in a way that jeopardised the deal was released
Remember RD wants out of the club and the day to day running of it
And the majority of fans want rid
If unfavorable statements came out blaming the directors and RD just pulled the funding out and we spiralled into league two would the feelings of hope that those people acted in the way you mention soon turn in to angst disappointment and anger
This is very much more than just a bit of negotiation tactics and brinkmanship imo it’s a critical time in our future
The takeover is in the balance totally and it’s dependent on the decision made by those guys and what sort of offer they are made and their feelings on recovering the money they are deserved and owed
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Let's haggle for a club and stick with the same players or less that they couldn't get out of this league with for the past 2 years?
This is gonna go tits up royally.
We hear takeover is very close THEN Roland comes to town
We hear Aussies are still in it THEN NLA shares the above.
This has been the whole story regarding the takeover and it's hard to keep track of all the different sources and stories as they consistently contradict each other (not saying any are wrong, I'm sure they have been told in good faith) it's just hard to keep up.
I have moved into Team WIOTOS's camp though because of all the mis-information out there. (However the state of this week's statement on the official site has also made me wonder about that too)
#TeamWIOTOS
If the Aussies and Roland can't come to an agreement that means that the Aussies buy the lot I would hope they just walk away.
That would leave Roland losing potentially 10 million over the next year and force him to lower his asking price to a more realistic price.
In the meantime it appears we may be stuck with him for next season.
Feels like we’re going in circles here. Remember this about a month ago?
http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/sport/16245778.Charlton_takeover_update__Price__Valley_ownership_and_squad_plans/
The rumour was only 3 of the 7 former directors agreed to it.
Maybe the sale of konsa has assisted in this eh ??
Richard Murray said all interested parties would be buying the club lock,stock and barrel.
;-)
I think that adds more credibility to what I heard than doubt it
I do appreciate the attempts to provide information to us but the information is at different ends of the spectrum and in the end, its frustrating to read. Not to mention the fact the roller coaster of emotions that tag along with it!!
Can’t believe we wouldn’t have heard from at least one if this was the case.
Perhaps the funds are there to buy the club without the land etc, but new funding will arrive say in two months time. So in order to complete the sale, a temporary fix is being put in place, meaning they could at least get on with the day to day business that needs to be done before the season starts. And yes, I'm clutching at straws here.
But after the talk of funding a long term bid to get us back the the premier league this is all very worrying. Am hoping for a message asap.
So what if that caused the collapse of the deal and the word that the deal fell through due to no sale from directors or that they acted in a way that jeopardised the deal was released
Remember RD wants out of the club and the day to day running of it
And the majority of fans want rid
If unfavorable statements came out blaming the directors and RD just pulled the funding out and we spiralled into league two would the feelings of hope that those people acted in the way you mention soon turn in to angst disappointment and anger
This is very much more than just a bit of negotiation tactics and brinkmanship imo it’s a critical time in our future
The takeover is in the balance totally and it’s dependent on the decision made by those guys and what sort of offer they are made and their feelings on recovering the money they are deserved and owed