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The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)
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i assume supposed to mean "majority shareholding"PragueAddick said:
Well, never mind the ad agency thing, it winds up a few people on here to mention the words. You are saying I think, that if you were buying the club, and you valued it at £40m in January, you would still pay that now, if RD had sold Konsa and then Bauer and Fosu too? I wouldn't .Cafc43v3r said:@PragueAddick I could not disagree more strongly. Average league 1 players are NOT the main, or significant, assets. In fact I would suggest that their contracts are actually a liability.
Lionel Messi is an asset, Jason Pearce and Nabby Sarr aren't. If I was buying the club I would only put a nominal value on the current players, or 99% of league 1 players.
If you were seriously rich the only assets you want are the ground, training ground and the golden share.
The advertising agency comparison works with a SMT, football management, academy staff, talent scouts etc who can add massive value. Although that is obviously not the case here.
And btw what is the "golden share" you have referred to more an once?0 -
I was making the point that if RD stops funding the monthly costs out of his own pocket then the club has to start off loading players with big wages and those who command a fee in order to continue as a going concern.ShootersHillGuru said:
Then why bring administration into your initial post ?Red_in_SE8 said:ShootersHillGuru said:
Why would RD stop paying those bills then ? That leads to possible admin and he losses more money. Therefore it is not “The alternative”.Red_in_SE8 said:
Still don't see how any potential buyer can complain about RD selling player assets and using the proceeds to keep the the club running as a going concern. The alternative is that Charlton stop playing all their wages and other bills for the next few months and then go into administration because of those unpaid wages and bills or start borrowing in order to pay these monthly costs and thus increasing the debt burden on the club which the new owners will inherit.Ferryman said:
Even worse, as others have mentioned, they might value Konsa higher than Roly. So he sells for £3M but they want £4M off the asking price?AFKABartram said:
So back to my point before, what if after selling Konsa (for say £2m rising to a potential £3m, but with an inflated up front payment- my guess figures), the Aussies say ok, you’ve sold one our key value player assets, we want the deal price reduced by the amount you’ve just received up front as the squad value has been reduced, and RD says no, the price is not changing a penny. Who is in the wrong then?nth london addick said:AFKABartram said:
Why else do you think Brentford got Konsa when other bigger clubs have been sniffing around?nth london addick said:Airman Brown said:The interesting thing is that RD is offering big discounts on players for cash.
Says whoAirman Brown said:The interesting thing is that RD is offering big discounts on players for cash.
But never offered the asking price or even a very near offfef from what I heard
It benefits RD that sale massively it’s asset stripping at the very least it’s criminal at best
But it also reduces the value of the club and its price
Which may just help those who ain’t showing the colour of their money yet
Not,saying that is what has happened, but equally it could. As I said, we don’t really know
I have not said he will or wants to stop paying those bills. He wants to reduce the size of the bills and how much he has to pay out of his own pocketShootersHillGuru said:
Why would RD stop paying those bills then ? That leads to possible admin and he losses more money. Therefore it is not “The alternative”.Red_in_SE8 said:
Still don't see how any potential buyer can complain about RD selling player assets and using the proceeds to keep the the club running as a going concern. The alternative is that Charlton stop playing all their wages and other bills for the next few months and then go into administration because of those unpaid wages and bills or start borrowing in order to pay these monthly costs and thus increasing the debt burden on the club which the new owners will inherit.Ferryman said:
Even worse, as others have mentioned, they might value Konsa higher than Roly. So he sells for £3M but they want £4M off the asking price?AFKABartram said:
So back to my point before, what if after selling Konsa (for say £2m rising to a potential £3m, but with an inflated up front payment- my guess figures), the Aussies say ok, you’ve sold one our key value player assets, we want the deal price reduced by the amount you’ve just received up front as the squad value has been reduced, and RD says no, the price is not changing a penny. Who is in the wrong then?nth london addick said:AFKABartram said:
Why else do you think Brentford got Konsa when other bigger clubs have been sniffing around?nth london addick said:Airman Brown said:The interesting thing is that RD is offering big discounts on players for cash.
Says whoAirman Brown said:The interesting thing is that RD is offering big discounts on players for cash.
But never offered the asking price or even a very near offfef from what I heard
It benefits RD that sale massively it’s asset stripping at the very least it’s criminal at best
But it also reduces the value of the club and its price
Which may just help those who ain’t showing the colour of their money yet
Not,saying that is what has happened, but equally it could. As I said, we don’t really know
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When we bought our house, we turned up to a third viewing, after having agreed terms, house was off the market, to find a relative of the owner digging up trees from the garden. Loving the return of the house analogies this week.i_b_b_o_r_g said:When you're selling a house, or business for that matter, you don't start stripping it of the fixtures and fittings because you consider the process to be taking too long. I don't see this as any different meself
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I was thinking more of the time when I sold my shop up next to Grove Park BR StationSuedeAdidas said:
Nice work!i_b_b_o_r_g said:When you're selling a house, or business for that matter, you don't start stripping it of the fixtures and fittings because you consider the process to be taking too long. I don't see this as any different meself
It’s been a while before anyone put up a solid house selling analogy.5 -
You missed @Chizz yesterday.SuedeAdidas said:
Nice work!i_b_b_o_r_g said:When you're selling a house, or business for that matter, you don't start stripping it of the fixtures and fittings because you consider the process to be taking too long. I don't see this as any different meself
It’s been a while before anyone put up a solid house selling analogy.2 -
you used to have a shop? Never knew that.i_b_b_o_r_g said:
I was thinking more of the time when I sold my shop up next to Grove Park BR StationSuedeAdidas said:
Nice work!i_b_b_o_r_g said:When you're selling a house, or business for that matter, you don't start stripping it of the fixtures and fittings because you consider the process to be taking too long. I don't see this as any different meself
It’s been a while before anyone put up a solid house selling analogy.2 -
I repeat. Why bring administration into things then.Red_in_SE8 said:
I was making the point that if RD stops funding the monthly costs out of his own pocket then the club has to start off loading players with big wages and those who command a fee in order to continue as a going concern.ShootersHillGuru said:
Then why bring administration into your initial post ?Red_in_SE8 said:ShootersHillGuru said:
Why would RD stop paying those bills then ? That leads to possible admin and he losses more money. Therefore it is not “The alternative”.Red_in_SE8 said:
Still don't see how any potential buyer can complain about RD selling player assets and using the proceeds to keep the the club running as a going concern. The alternative is that Charlton stop playing all their wages and other bills for the next few months and then go into administration because of those unpaid wages and bills or start borrowing in order to pay these monthly costs and thus increasing the debt burden on the club which the new owners will inherit.Ferryman said:
Even worse, as others have mentioned, they might value Konsa higher than Roly. So he sells for £3M but they want £4M off the asking price?AFKABartram said:
So back to my point before, what if after selling Konsa (for say £2m rising to a potential £3m, but with an inflated up front payment- my guess figures), the Aussies say ok, you’ve sold one our key value player assets, we want the deal price reduced by the amount you’ve just received up front as the squad value has been reduced, and RD says no, the price is not changing a penny. Who is in the wrong then?nth london addick said:AFKABartram said:
Why else do you think Brentford got Konsa when other bigger clubs have been sniffing around?nth london addick said:Airman Brown said:The interesting thing is that RD is offering big discounts on players for cash.
Says whoAirman Brown said:The interesting thing is that RD is offering big discounts on players for cash.
But never offered the asking price or even a very near offfef from what I heard
It benefits RD that sale massively it’s asset stripping at the very least it’s criminal at best
But it also reduces the value of the club and its price
Which may just help those who ain’t showing the colour of their money yet
Not,saying that is what has happened, but equally it could. As I said, we don’t really know
I have not said he will or wants to stop paying those bills. He wants to reduce the size of the bills and how much he has to pay out of his own pocketShootersHillGuru said:
Why would RD stop paying those bills then ? That leads to possible admin and he losses more money. Therefore it is not “The alternative”.Red_in_SE8 said:
Still don't see how any potential buyer can complain about RD selling player assets and using the proceeds to keep the the club running as a going concern. The alternative is that Charlton stop playing all their wages and other bills for the next few months and then go into administration because of those unpaid wages and bills or start borrowing in order to pay these monthly costs and thus increasing the debt burden on the club which the new owners will inherit.Ferryman said:
Even worse, as others have mentioned, they might value Konsa higher than Roly. So he sells for £3M but they want £4M off the asking price?AFKABartram said:
So back to my point before, what if after selling Konsa (for say £2m rising to a potential £3m, but with an inflated up front payment- my guess figures), the Aussies say ok, you’ve sold one our key value player assets, we want the deal price reduced by the amount you’ve just received up front as the squad value has been reduced, and RD says no, the price is not changing a penny. Who is in the wrong then?nth london addick said:AFKABartram said:
Why else do you think Brentford got Konsa when other bigger clubs have been sniffing around?nth london addick said:Airman Brown said:The interesting thing is that RD is offering big discounts on players for cash.
Says whoAirman Brown said:The interesting thing is that RD is offering big discounts on players for cash.
But never offered the asking price or even a very near offfef from what I heard
It benefits RD that sale massively it’s asset stripping at the very least it’s criminal at best
But it also reduces the value of the club and its price
Which may just help those who ain’t showing the colour of their money yet
Not,saying that is what has happened, but equally it could. As I said, we don’t really know
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Yer, next to Grove Park BR Station, and I would have started tuckin into the Mars bars after we done the stock take once we soldroseandcrown said:
you used to have a shop? Never knew that.i_b_b_o_r_g said:
I was thinking more of the time when I sold my shop up next to Grove Park BR StationSuedeAdidas said:
Nice work!i_b_b_o_r_g said:When you're selling a house, or business for that matter, you don't start stripping it of the fixtures and fittings because you consider the process to be taking too long. I don't see this as any different meself
It’s been a while before anyone put up a solid house selling analogy.12 -
Releasing the statement through the club is probably the only way Roland would let them do it due to a NDA. So chances are the statement has had to have been run by him and is heavily censored. Not expecting it to say anything at all...
Unless it is the full shebang.4 -
If the Aussies issue a statement via the club that would seem to address your point conclusively, no?carly burn said:
Tbf haven’t heard officially that they were ever in.Airman Brown said:
Maybe. Several people have said they are out but not heard of them saying it directly to anyone yet.Valley11 said:
So what are the Aussies saying about this @Airman Brown ?Airman Brown said:
The stories about RD holding a fire sale aren’t coming from the Aussies at all.AFKABartram said:Trouble is, we just don’t know. All we know is the spin / version that one side wants to leak out.
It could be the Aussies just can’t get the finance after having lost a couple of backers. It could equally be that after the recent sale of assets Roland still wants the same asking price for the club (but now with less assets), which the Aussies might think is taking the mick.
None of us know. It’s painful.
Are they out?6 - Sponsored links:
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Errr...because that is what happens when a club stops paying its bills?ShootersHillGuru said:
I repeat. Why bring administration into things then.Red_in_SE8 said:
I was making the point that if RD stops funding the monthly costs out of his own pocket then the club has to start off loading players with big wages and those who command a fee in order to continue as a going concern.ShootersHillGuru said:
Then why bring administration into your initial post ?Red_in_SE8 said:ShootersHillGuru said:
Why would RD stop paying those bills then ? That leads to possible admin and he losses more money. Therefore it is not “The alternative”.Red_in_SE8 said:
Still don't see how any potential buyer can complain about RD selling player assets and using the proceeds to keep the the club running as a going concern. The alternative is that Charlton stop playing all their wages and other bills for the next few months and then go into administration because of those unpaid wages and bills or start borrowing in order to pay these monthly costs and thus increasing the debt burden on the club which the new owners will inherit.Ferryman said:
Even worse, as others have mentioned, they might value Konsa higher than Roly. So he sells for £3M but they want £4M off the asking price?AFKABartram said:
So back to my point before, what if after selling Konsa (for say £2m rising to a potential £3m, but with an inflated up front payment- my guess figures), the Aussies say ok, you’ve sold one our key value player assets, we want the deal price reduced by the amount you’ve just received up front as the squad value has been reduced, and RD says no, the price is not changing a penny. Who is in the wrong then?nth london addick said:AFKABartram said:
Why else do you think Brentford got Konsa when other bigger clubs have been sniffing around?nth london addick said:Airman Brown said:The interesting thing is that RD is offering big discounts on players for cash.
Says whoAirman Brown said:The interesting thing is that RD is offering big discounts on players for cash.
But never offered the asking price or even a very near offfef from what I heard
It benefits RD that sale massively it’s asset stripping at the very least it’s criminal at best
But it also reduces the value of the club and its price
Which may just help those who ain’t showing the colour of their money yet
Not,saying that is what has happened, but equally it could. As I said, we don’t really know
I have not said he will or wants to stop paying those bills. He wants to reduce the size of the bills and how much he has to pay out of his own pocketShootersHillGuru said:
Why would RD stop paying those bills then ? That leads to possible admin and he losses more money. Therefore it is not “The alternative”.Red_in_SE8 said:
Still don't see how any potential buyer can complain about RD selling player assets and using the proceeds to keep the the club running as a going concern. The alternative is that Charlton stop playing all their wages and other bills for the next few months and then go into administration because of those unpaid wages and bills or start borrowing in order to pay these monthly costs and thus increasing the debt burden on the club which the new owners will inherit.Ferryman said:
Even worse, as others have mentioned, they might value Konsa higher than Roly. So he sells for £3M but they want £4M off the asking price?AFKABartram said:
So back to my point before, what if after selling Konsa (for say £2m rising to a potential £3m, but with an inflated up front payment- my guess figures), the Aussies say ok, you’ve sold one our key value player assets, we want the deal price reduced by the amount you’ve just received up front as the squad value has been reduced, and RD says no, the price is not changing a penny. Who is in the wrong then?nth london addick said:AFKABartram said:
Why else do you think Brentford got Konsa when other bigger clubs have been sniffing around?nth london addick said:Airman Brown said:The interesting thing is that RD is offering big discounts on players for cash.
Says whoAirman Brown said:The interesting thing is that RD is offering big discounts on players for cash.
But never offered the asking price or even a very near offfef from what I heard
It benefits RD that sale massively it’s asset stripping at the very least it’s criminal at best
But it also reduces the value of the club and its price
Which may just help those who ain’t showing the colour of their money yet
Not,saying that is what has happened, but equally it could. As I said, we don’t really know0 -
You held that back.i_b_b_o_r_g said:
Yer, next to Grove Park BR Station, and I would have started tuckin into the Mars bars after we done the stock take once we soldroseandcrown said:
you used to have a shop? Never knew that.i_b_b_o_r_g said:
I was thinking more of the time when I sold my shop up next to Grove Park BR StationSuedeAdidas said:
Nice work!i_b_b_o_r_g said:When you're selling a house, or business for that matter, you don't start stripping it of the fixtures and fittings because you consider the process to be taking too long. I don't see this as any different meself
It’s been a while before anyone put up a solid house selling analogy.
You had us all feeling sorry for you before about how old Swami knocked you for a few Bob.3 -
No shit Sherlock. However when confronted with the fact that it’s not in RD’s interest to do that, so a completely spurious point you have failed to bring up administration or its lack of relevance since.Red_in_SE8 said:
Errr...because that is what happens when a club stops paying its bills?ShootersHillGuru said:
I repeat. Why bring administration into things then.Red_in_SE8 said:
I was making the point that if RD stops funding the monthly costs out of his own pocket then the club has to start off loading players with big wages and those who command a fee in order to continue as a going concern.ShootersHillGuru said:
Then why bring administration into your initial post ?Red_in_SE8 said:ShootersHillGuru said:
Why would RD stop paying those bills then ? That leads to possible admin and he losses more money. Therefore it is not “The alternative”.Red_in_SE8 said:
Still don't see how any potential buyer can complain about RD selling player assets and using the proceeds to keep the the club running as a going concern. The alternative is that Charlton stop playing all their wages and other bills for the next few months and then go into administration because of those unpaid wages and bills or start borrowing in order to pay these monthly costs and thus increasing the debt burden on the club which the new owners will inherit.Ferryman said:
Even worse, as others have mentioned, they might value Konsa higher than Roly. So he sells for £3M but they want £4M off the asking price?AFKABartram said:
So back to my point before, what if after selling Konsa (for say £2m rising to a potential £3m, but with an inflated up front payment- my guess figures), the Aussies say ok, you’ve sold one our key value player assets, we want the deal price reduced by the amount you’ve just received up front as the squad value has been reduced, and RD says no, the price is not changing a penny. Who is in the wrong then?nth london addick said:AFKABartram said:
Why else do you think Brentford got Konsa when other bigger clubs have been sniffing around?nth london addick said:Airman Brown said:The interesting thing is that RD is offering big discounts on players for cash.
Says whoAirman Brown said:The interesting thing is that RD is offering big discounts on players for cash.
But never offered the asking price or even a very near offfef from what I heard
It benefits RD that sale massively it’s asset stripping at the very least it’s criminal at best
But it also reduces the value of the club and its price
Which may just help those who ain’t showing the colour of their money yet
Not,saying that is what has happened, but equally it could. As I said, we don’t really know
I have not said he will or wants to stop paying those bills. He wants to reduce the size of the bills and how much he has to pay out of his own pocketShootersHillGuru said:
Why would RD stop paying those bills then ? That leads to possible admin and he losses more money. Therefore it is not “The alternative”.Red_in_SE8 said:
Still don't see how any potential buyer can complain about RD selling player assets and using the proceeds to keep the the club running as a going concern. The alternative is that Charlton stop playing all their wages and other bills for the next few months and then go into administration because of those unpaid wages and bills or start borrowing in order to pay these monthly costs and thus increasing the debt burden on the club which the new owners will inherit.Ferryman said:
Even worse, as others have mentioned, they might value Konsa higher than Roly. So he sells for £3M but they want £4M off the asking price?AFKABartram said:
So back to my point before, what if after selling Konsa (for say £2m rising to a potential £3m, but with an inflated up front payment- my guess figures), the Aussies say ok, you’ve sold one our key value player assets, we want the deal price reduced by the amount you’ve just received up front as the squad value has been reduced, and RD says no, the price is not changing a penny. Who is in the wrong then?nth london addick said:AFKABartram said:
Why else do you think Brentford got Konsa when other bigger clubs have been sniffing around?nth london addick said:Airman Brown said:The interesting thing is that RD is offering big discounts on players for cash.
Says whoAirman Brown said:The interesting thing is that RD is offering big discounts on players for cash.
But never offered the asking price or even a very near offfef from what I heard
It benefits RD that sale massively it’s asset stripping at the very least it’s criminal at best
But it also reduces the value of the club and its price
Which may just help those who ain’t showing the colour of their money yet
Not,saying that is what has happened, but equally it could. As I said, we don’t really know
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Ye of too much faithHenry Irving said:WIOTOS IE today : - )
It will be a bland, generic statement that we probably already know from the ITK crew
"Ongoing. Taking too long. Trying to agree a price. Roland wants too much. EFL pissed on plan B and would rather see us go to the wall than have additional investment from someone less likely to be a twat.
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If RD stops paying the bills to put Charlton into administration, he will lose all the money he has put in, less what the administrator recovers which will be the square roof of eff all !Red_in_SE8 said:
Still don't see how any potential buyer can complain about RD selling player assets and using the proceeds to keep the the club running as a going concern. The alternative is that Charlton stop playing all their wages and other bills for the next few months and then go into administration because of those unpaid wages and bills or start borrowing in order to pay these monthly costs and thus increasing the debt burden on the club which the new owners will inherit.Ferryman said:
Even worse, as others have mentioned, they might value Konsa higher than Roly. So he sells for £3M but they want £4M off the asking price?AFKABartram said:
So back to my point before, what if after selling Konsa (for say £2m rising to a potential £3m, but with an inflated up front payment- my guess figures), the Aussies say ok, you’ve sold one our key value player assets, we want the deal price reduced by the amount you’ve just received up front as the squad value has been reduced, and RD says no, the price is not changing a penny. Who is in the wrong then?nth london addick said:AFKABartram said:
Why else do you think Brentford got Konsa when other bigger clubs have been sniffing around?nth london addick said:Airman Brown said:The interesting thing is that RD is offering big discounts on players for cash.
Says whoAirman Brown said:The interesting thing is that RD is offering big discounts on players for cash.
But never offered the asking price or even a very near offfef from what I heard
It benefits RD that sale massively it’s asset stripping at the very least it’s criminal at best
But it also reduces the value of the club and its price
Which may just help those who ain’t showing the colour of their money yet
Not,saying that is what has happened, but equally it could. As I said, we don’t really know
When you say Charlton start borrowing to pay the costs, you seem to have forgotten that RD (and all our owners) start borrowing from day 1.
Sorry, but your post is wrong wrong wrong.3 -
I don't deny that today!roseandcrown said:
You have to much time on your hands.Dazzler21 said:
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Too much analysis is being undertaken around the potential statement.
that fact that it appears to be occurring is a positive thing. people were saying yesterday that the Aussies had walked away. If they are issuing statements in partnership with the club, that would strongly suggest in advance that is not the case.
People have unrealistic expectations if they expect it to be anything other than vanilla.
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You keep suggesting I am implying that it is in RD's interest for the club to go into administration. If I have it was inadvertent. Quote the text where you think I have implied this and I will correct it.ShootersHillGuru said:
No shit Sherlock. However when confronted with the fact that it’s not in RD’s interest to do that, so a completely spurious point you have failed to bring up administration or its lack of relevance since.Red_in_SE8 said:
Errr...because that is what happens when a club stops paying its bills?ShootersHillGuru said:
I repeat. Why bring administration into things then.Red_in_SE8 said:
I was making the point that if RD stops funding the monthly costs out of his own pocket then the club has to start off loading players with big wages and those who command a fee in order to continue as a going concern.ShootersHillGuru said:
Then why bring administration into your initial post ?Red_in_SE8 said:ShootersHillGuru said:
Why would RD stop paying those bills then ? That leads to possible admin and he losses more money. Therefore it is not “The alternative”.Red_in_SE8 said:
Still don't see how any potential buyer can complain about RD selling player assets and using the proceeds to keep the the club running as a going concern. The alternative is that Charlton stop playing all their wages and other bills for the next few months and then go into administration because of those unpaid wages and bills or start borrowing in order to pay these monthly costs and thus increasing the debt burden on the club which the new owners will inherit.Ferryman said:
Even worse, as others have mentioned, they might value Konsa higher than Roly. So he sells for £3M but they want £4M off the asking price?AFKABartram said:
So back to my point before, what if after selling Konsa (for say £2m rising to a potential £3m, but with an inflated up front payment- my guess figures), the Aussies say ok, you’ve sold one our key value player assets, we want the deal price reduced by the amount you’ve just received up front as the squad value has been reduced, and RD says no, the price is not changing a penny. Who is in the wrong then?nth london addick said:AFKABartram said:
Why else do you think Brentford got Konsa when other bigger clubs have been sniffing around?nth london addick said:Airman Brown said:The interesting thing is that RD is offering big discounts on players for cash.
Says whoAirman Brown said:The interesting thing is that RD is offering big discounts on players for cash.
But never offered the asking price or even a very near offfef from what I heard
It benefits RD that sale massively it’s asset stripping at the very least it’s criminal at best
But it also reduces the value of the club and its price
Which may just help those who ain’t showing the colour of their money yet
Not,saying that is what has happened, but equally it could. As I said, we don’t really know
I have not said he will or wants to stop paying those bills. He wants to reduce the size of the bills and how much he has to pay out of his own pocketShootersHillGuru said:
Why would RD stop paying those bills then ? That leads to possible admin and he losses more money. Therefore it is not “The alternative”.Red_in_SE8 said:
Still don't see how any potential buyer can complain about RD selling player assets and using the proceeds to keep the the club running as a going concern. The alternative is that Charlton stop playing all their wages and other bills for the next few months and then go into administration because of those unpaid wages and bills or start borrowing in order to pay these monthly costs and thus increasing the debt burden on the club which the new owners will inherit.Ferryman said:
Even worse, as others have mentioned, they might value Konsa higher than Roly. So he sells for £3M but they want £4M off the asking price?AFKABartram said:
So back to my point before, what if after selling Konsa (for say £2m rising to a potential £3m, but with an inflated up front payment- my guess figures), the Aussies say ok, you’ve sold one our key value player assets, we want the deal price reduced by the amount you’ve just received up front as the squad value has been reduced, and RD says no, the price is not changing a penny. Who is in the wrong then?nth london addick said:AFKABartram said:
Why else do you think Brentford got Konsa when other bigger clubs have been sniffing around?nth london addick said:Airman Brown said:The interesting thing is that RD is offering big discounts on players for cash.
Says whoAirman Brown said:The interesting thing is that RD is offering big discounts on players for cash.
But never offered the asking price or even a very near offfef from what I heard
It benefits RD that sale massively it’s asset stripping at the very least it’s criminal at best
But it also reduces the value of the club and its price
Which may just help those who ain’t showing the colour of their money yet
Not,saying that is what has happened, but equally it could. As I said, we don’t really know0 -
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I was hoping for mint choc chip tbf., strachetri and salted caramel would be good too.AFKABartram said:Too much analysis is being undertaken around the potential statement.
that fact that it appears to be occurring is a positive thing. people were saying yesterday that the Aussies had walked away. If they are issuing statements in partnership with the club, that would strongly suggest in advance that is not the case.
People have unrealistic expectations if they expect it to be anything other than vanilla.
AND A FUCKING STATEMENT THAT GIVES US SOME HOPE THE SENILE OLD FOOL IS GOING TO BW GONE SOON AND WE ARENT GOING TO BE LEFT WITH FUCK ALL.
That’d be nice.1 - Sponsored links:
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Life is too short.Red_in_SE8 said:
You keep suggesting I am implying that it is in RD's interest for the club to go into administration. If I have it was inadvertent. Quote the text where you think I have implied this and I will correct it.ShootersHillGuru said:
No shit Sherlock. However when confronted with the fact that it’s not in RD’s interest to do that, so a completely spurious point you have failed to bring up administration or its lack of relevance since.Red_in_SE8 said:
Errr...because that is what happens when a club stops paying its bills?ShootersHillGuru said:
I repeat. Why bring administration into things then.Red_in_SE8 said:
I was making the point that if RD stops funding the monthly costs out of his own pocket then the club has to start off loading players with big wages and those who command a fee in order to continue as a going concern.ShootersHillGuru said:
Then why bring administration into your initial post ?Red_in_SE8 said:ShootersHillGuru said:
Why would RD stop paying those bills then ? That leads to possible admin and he losses more money. Therefore it is not “The alternative”.Red_in_SE8 said:
Still don't see how any potential buyer can complain about RD selling player assets and using the proceeds to keep the the club running as a going concern. The alternative is that Charlton stop playing all their wages and other bills for the next few months and then go into administration because of those unpaid wages and bills or start borrowing in order to pay these monthly costs and thus increasing the debt burden on the club which the new owners will inherit.Ferryman said:
Even worse, as others have mentioned, they might value Konsa higher than Roly. So he sells for £3M but they want £4M off the asking price?AFKABartram said:
So back to my point before, what if after selling Konsa (for say £2m rising to a potential £3m, but with an inflated up front payment- my guess figures), the Aussies say ok, you’ve sold one our key value player assets, we want the deal price reduced by the amount you’ve just received up front as the squad value has been reduced, and RD says no, the price is not changing a penny. Who is in the wrong then?nth london addick said:AFKABartram said:
Why else do you think Brentford got Konsa when other bigger clubs have been sniffing around?nth london addick said:Airman Brown said:The interesting thing is that RD is offering big discounts on players for cash.
Says whoAirman Brown said:The interesting thing is that RD is offering big discounts on players for cash.
But never offered the asking price or even a very near offfef from what I heard
It benefits RD that sale massively it’s asset stripping at the very least it’s criminal at best
But it also reduces the value of the club and its price
Which may just help those who ain’t showing the colour of their money yet
Not,saying that is what has happened, but equally it could. As I said, we don’t really know
I have not said he will or wants to stop paying those bills. He wants to reduce the size of the bills and how much he has to pay out of his own pocketShootersHillGuru said:
Why would RD stop paying those bills then ? That leads to possible admin and he losses more money. Therefore it is not “The alternative”.Red_in_SE8 said:
Still don't see how any potential buyer can complain about RD selling player assets and using the proceeds to keep the the club running as a going concern. The alternative is that Charlton stop playing all their wages and other bills for the next few months and then go into administration because of those unpaid wages and bills or start borrowing in order to pay these monthly costs and thus increasing the debt burden on the club which the new owners will inherit.Ferryman said:
Even worse, as others have mentioned, they might value Konsa higher than Roly. So he sells for £3M but they want £4M off the asking price?AFKABartram said:
So back to my point before, what if after selling Konsa (for say £2m rising to a potential £3m, but with an inflated up front payment- my guess figures), the Aussies say ok, you’ve sold one our key value player assets, we want the deal price reduced by the amount you’ve just received up front as the squad value has been reduced, and RD says no, the price is not changing a penny. Who is in the wrong then?nth london addick said:AFKABartram said:
Why else do you think Brentford got Konsa when other bigger clubs have been sniffing around?nth london addick said:Airman Brown said:The interesting thing is that RD is offering big discounts on players for cash.
Says whoAirman Brown said:The interesting thing is that RD is offering big discounts on players for cash.
But never offered the asking price or even a very near offfef from what I heard
It benefits RD that sale massively it’s asset stripping at the very least it’s criminal at best
But it also reduces the value of the club and its price
Which may just help those who ain’t showing the colour of their money yet
Not,saying that is what has happened, but equally it could. As I said, we don’t really know
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i am thinking in keeping with the whole Roland era Rocky Road.AFKABartram said:Too much analysis is being undertaken around the potential statement.
that fact that it appears to be occurring is a positive thing. people were saying yesterday that the Aussies had walked away. If they are issuing statements in partnership with the club, that would strongly suggest in advance that is not the case.
People have unrealistic expectations if they expect it to be anything other than vanilla.0 -
States too much analysis is being undertaken.. proceeds to analyse to a further extent than most previously. ;-)AFKABartram said:Too much analysis is being undertaken around the potential statement.
that fact that it appears to be occurring is a positive thing. people were saying yesterday that the Aussies had walked away. If they are issuing statements in partnership with the club, that would strongly suggest in advance that is not the case.
People have unrealistic expectations if they expect it to be anything other than vanilla.
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Yer, he came in late on saying he didnt have the dough for the stock, coincidentally, even though it was agreed and I had to do a "deal" with the c**t. But from my perspective and because I'm a principled Englishman, I wouldnt start eating the Mars bars in protest of how long the deal was taking to complete, and it took a foookin age.SuedeAdidas said:
You held that back.i_b_b_o_r_g said:
Yer, next to Grove Park BR Station, and I would have started tuckin into the Mars bars after we done the stock take once we soldroseandcrown said:
you used to have a shop? Never knew that.i_b_b_o_r_g said:
I was thinking more of the time when I sold my shop up next to Grove Park BR StationSuedeAdidas said:
Nice work!i_b_b_o_r_g said:When you're selling a house, or business for that matter, you don't start stripping it of the fixtures and fittings because you consider the process to be taking too long. I don't see this as any different meself
It’s been a while before anyone put up a solid house selling analogy.
You had us all feeling sorry for you before about how old Swami knocked you for a few Bob.
Still managed to leave him a few hundred quid lighter after not giving him the stock of fireworks though4 -
Red_in_SE8 said:
If Charlton stop paying wages and other bills then the employees and others will become debtors.ShootersHillGuru said:
Agree with the first part of your post. League one football clubs by definition must sell players and keep costs down in order to survive.Red_in_SE8 said:
Still don't see how any potential buyer can complain about RD selling player assets and using the proceeds to keep the the club running as a going concern. The alternative is that Charlton stop playing all their wages and other bills for the next few months and then go into administration because of those unpaid wages and bills or start borrowing in order to pay these monthly costs and thus increasing the debt burden on the club which the new owners will inherit.Ferryman said:
Even worse, as others have mentioned, they might value Konsa higher than Roly. So he sells for £3M but they want £4M off the asking price?AFKABartram said:
So back to my point before, what if after selling Konsa (for say £2m rising to a potential £3m, but with an inflated up front payment- my guess figures), the Aussies say ok, you’ve sold one our key value player assets, we want the deal price reduced by the amount you’ve just received up front as the squad value has been reduced, and RD says no, the price is not changing a penny. Who is in the wrong then?nth london addick said:AFKABartram said:
Why else do you think Brentford got Konsa when other bigger clubs have been sniffing around?nth london addick said:Airman Brown said:The interesting thing is that RD is offering big discounts on players for cash.
Says whoAirman Brown said:The interesting thing is that RD is offering big discounts on players for cash.
But never offered the asking price or even a very near offfef from what I heard
It benefits RD that sale massively it’s asset stripping at the very least it’s criminal at best
But it also reduces the value of the club and its price
Which may just help those who ain’t showing the colour of their money yet
Not,saying that is what has happened, but equally it could. As I said, we don’t really know
Where I don’t understand your point is with regard to administration. All the debt CAFC have accrued is debt to the owner. What possible benefit is there in him letting the club go bust and into admin ?
I did not state or imply that there is benefit in him letting the club go bust and into admin. He is simply trying to make the club a self financing concern until it is sold. It seems, and I don't know, as if he has suddenly decided to drastically reduce the amount of money he is putting into the club from his own pocket.
I think you mean creditors not debtorsRed_in_SE8 said:
If Charlton stop paying wages and other bills then the employees and others will become debtors.ShootersHillGuru said:
Agree with the first part of your post. League one football clubs by definition must sell players and keep costs down in order to survive.Red_in_SE8 said:
Still don't see how any potential buyer can complain about RD selling player assets and using the proceeds to keep the the club running as a going concern. The alternative is that Charlton stop playing all their wages and other bills for the next few months and then go into administration because of those unpaid wages and bills or start borrowing in order to pay these monthly costs and thus increasing the debt burden on the club which the new owners will inherit.Ferryman said:
Even worse, as others have mentioned, they might value Konsa higher than Roly. So he sells for £3M but they want £4M off the asking price?AFKABartram said:
So back to my point before, what if after selling Konsa (for say £2m rising to a potential £3m, but with an inflated up front payment- my guess figures), the Aussies say ok, you’ve sold one our key value player assets, we want the deal price reduced by the amount you’ve just received up front as the squad value has been reduced, and RD says no, the price is not changing a penny. Who is in the wrong then?nth london addick said:AFKABartram said:
Why else do you think Brentford got Konsa when other bigger clubs have been sniffing around?nth london addick said:Airman Brown said:The interesting thing is that RD is offering big discounts on players for cash.
Says whoAirman Brown said:The interesting thing is that RD is offering big discounts on players for cash.
But never offered the asking price or even a very near offfef from what I heard
It benefits RD that sale massively it’s asset stripping at the very least it’s criminal at best
But it also reduces the value of the club and its price
Which may just help those who ain’t showing the colour of their money yet
Not,saying that is what has happened, but equally it could. As I said, we don’t really know
Where I don’t understand your point is with regard to administration. All the debt CAFC have accrued is debt to the owner. What possible benefit is there in him letting the club go bust and into admin ?
I did not state or imply that there is benefit in him letting the club go bust and into admin. He is simply trying to make the club a self financing concern until it is sold. It seems, and I don't know, as if he has suddenly decided to drastically reduce the amount of money he is putting into the club from his own pocket.1 -
Which is why RD won't let the club go into admin. But he is taking steps to reduce his personal monthly costs. Which is what he is doing with Konsa and other proposed player sales.Covered End said:
If RD stops paying the bills to put Charlton into administration, he will lose all the money he has put in, less what the administrator recovers which will be the square roof of eff all !Red_in_SE8 said:
Still don't see how any potential buyer can complain about RD selling player assets and using the proceeds to keep the the club running as a going concern. The alternative is that Charlton stop playing all their wages and other bills for the next few months and then go into administration because of those unpaid wages and bills or start borrowing in order to pay these monthly costs and thus increasing the debt burden on the club which the new owners will inherit.Ferryman said:
Even worse, as others have mentioned, they might value Konsa higher than Roly. So he sells for £3M but they want £4M off the asking price?AFKABartram said:
So back to my point before, what if after selling Konsa (for say £2m rising to a potential £3m, but with an inflated up front payment- my guess figures), the Aussies say ok, you’ve sold one our key value player assets, we want the deal price reduced by the amount you’ve just received up front as the squad value has been reduced, and RD says no, the price is not changing a penny. Who is in the wrong then?nth london addick said:AFKABartram said:
Why else do you think Brentford got Konsa when other bigger clubs have been sniffing around?nth london addick said:Airman Brown said:The interesting thing is that RD is offering big discounts on players for cash.
Says whoAirman Brown said:The interesting thing is that RD is offering big discounts on players for cash.
But never offered the asking price or even a very near offfef from what I heard
It benefits RD that sale massively it’s asset stripping at the very least it’s criminal at best
But it also reduces the value of the club and its price
Which may just help those who ain’t showing the colour of their money yet
Not,saying that is what has happened, but equally it could. As I said, we don’t really know
When you say Charlton start borrowing to pay the costs, you seem to have forgotten that RD (and all our owners) start borrowing from day 1.
Sorry, but your post is wrong wrong wrong.
Are you suggesting that RD is borrowing the money he is paying into the club each month? That is new piece of info for me.0 -
Very insightful statement. Glad to read that they reckon it should be done within a few days.daveydanger said:2 -
Yes.harveys_gardener said:Red_in_SE8 said:
If Charlton stop paying wages and other bills then the employees and others will become debtors.ShootersHillGuru said:
Agree with the first part of your post. League one football clubs by definition must sell players and keep costs down in order to survive.Red_in_SE8 said:
Still don't see how any potential buyer can complain about RD selling player assets and using the proceeds to keep the the club running as a going concern. The alternative is that Charlton stop playing all their wages and other bills for the next few months and then go into administration because of those unpaid wages and bills or start borrowing in order to pay these monthly costs and thus increasing the debt burden on the club which the new owners will inherit.Ferryman said:
Even worse, as others have mentioned, they might value Konsa higher than Roly. So he sells for £3M but they want £4M off the asking price?AFKABartram said:
So back to my point before, what if after selling Konsa (for say £2m rising to a potential £3m, but with an inflated up front payment- my guess figures), the Aussies say ok, you’ve sold one our key value player assets, we want the deal price reduced by the amount you’ve just received up front as the squad value has been reduced, and RD says no, the price is not changing a penny. Who is in the wrong then?nth london addick said:AFKABartram said:
Why else do you think Brentford got Konsa when other bigger clubs have been sniffing around?nth london addick said:Airman Brown said:The interesting thing is that RD is offering big discounts on players for cash.
Says whoAirman Brown said:The interesting thing is that RD is offering big discounts on players for cash.
But never offered the asking price or even a very near offfef from what I heard
It benefits RD that sale massively it’s asset stripping at the very least it’s criminal at best
But it also reduces the value of the club and its price
Which may just help those who ain’t showing the colour of their money yet
Not,saying that is what has happened, but equally it could. As I said, we don’t really know
Where I don’t understand your point is with regard to administration. All the debt CAFC have accrued is debt to the owner. What possible benefit is there in him letting the club go bust and into admin ?
I did not state or imply that there is benefit in him letting the club go bust and into admin. He is simply trying to make the club a self financing concern until it is sold. It seems, and I don't know, as if he has suddenly decided to drastically reduce the amount of money he is putting into the club from his own pocket.
I think you mean creditors not debtorsRed_in_SE8 said:
If Charlton stop paying wages and other bills then the employees and others will become debtors.ShootersHillGuru said:
Agree with the first part of your post. League one football clubs by definition must sell players and keep costs down in order to survive.Red_in_SE8 said:
Still don't see how any potential buyer can complain about RD selling player assets and using the proceeds to keep the the club running as a going concern. The alternative is that Charlton stop playing all their wages and other bills for the next few months and then go into administration because of those unpaid wages and bills or start borrowing in order to pay these monthly costs and thus increasing the debt burden on the club which the new owners will inherit.Ferryman said:
Even worse, as others have mentioned, they might value Konsa higher than Roly. So he sells for £3M but they want £4M off the asking price?AFKABartram said:
So back to my point before, what if after selling Konsa (for say £2m rising to a potential £3m, but with an inflated up front payment- my guess figures), the Aussies say ok, you’ve sold one our key value player assets, we want the deal price reduced by the amount you’ve just received up front as the squad value has been reduced, and RD says no, the price is not changing a penny. Who is in the wrong then?nth london addick said:AFKABartram said:
Why else do you think Brentford got Konsa when other bigger clubs have been sniffing around?nth london addick said:Airman Brown said:The interesting thing is that RD is offering big discounts on players for cash.
Says whoAirman Brown said:The interesting thing is that RD is offering big discounts on players for cash.
But never offered the asking price or even a very near offfef from what I heard
It benefits RD that sale massively it’s asset stripping at the very least it’s criminal at best
But it also reduces the value of the club and its price
Which may just help those who ain’t showing the colour of their money yet
Not,saying that is what has happened, but equally it could. As I said, we don’t really know
Where I don’t understand your point is with regard to administration. All the debt CAFC have accrued is debt to the owner. What possible benefit is there in him letting the club go bust and into admin ?
I did not state or imply that there is benefit in him letting the club go bust and into admin. He is simply trying to make the club a self financing concern until it is sold. It seems, and I don't know, as if he has suddenly decided to drastically reduce the amount of money he is putting into the club from his own pocket.0
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