The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)
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This is like waiting for a kettle to boil.1
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My kettle boiled dry, has caught alight and i'm waiting for the fire engines.Solidgone said:This is like waiting for a kettle to boil.
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Fire-fighters won't turn up unless you can make them a cup of tea.Arsenetatters said:
My kettle boiled dry, has caught alight and i'm waiting for the fire engines.Solidgone said:This is like waiting for a kettle to boil.
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What I don't understand though, is that if the Aussies (and whoever) thought the price was too high, why has this been dragging on continuously for 6 months (or whatever). If back in January Roland wanted £40m and you were only prepared to pay £25m say, why not just walk away?Ferryman said:
You could have 200 interested parties, but the problem is and always has been / will be that no one will agree to purchase at Rolys unrealistic valuation.Rufus_Ambition said:
He claims that there is still a British party involved.castrust said:Trust speak to Richard Murray regarding takeover delay https://www.castrust.org/2018/06/richard-murray-two-parties-still-negotiating/
Seems curious to me that absolutely nothing has leaked around this British interest (assuming it's not the Donald Muir one). Unless it's a British group fronting for the Saudis? Something smells dodgy.
They seem to have done all the other work, and sought EFL approval, surely you wouldn't do that unless you had agreed the price, or at least were in the same ballpark?6 -
No boiler. Same old story...Arsenetatters said:
My kettle boiled dry, has caught alight and i'm waiting for the fire engines.Solidgone said:This is like waiting for a kettle to boil.
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Like with the Holmes sale, perhaps you could get 4 players using the wages of the departed - still way short though.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
"He said that Lee Bowyer is talking to potential signings and that Bowyer feels he needs four new players to have the makings of a challenging squad"ross1 said:No timeline on Charlton takeover as Roland Duchatelet continues to operate monthly losses
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/942353860?-11197:833
Fuck me that's ambitious. We just about had a challenging squad last season and off the top of my head we've already lost 8 of that squad (Amos, Dasilva, Konsa, Kashi, Jackson, Mavididi, Kaikai, Zyro), so how on earth can anyone say we only need 4 new players?0 -
"a source close to" is everyday Journalist jargon for either the person themself or an authorised 'spokesperson'.East_Stand_Loopy said:
Sorry, I just think this is rehashed news...micks1950 said:.
Muir still targeting Charlton takeoverScoham said:
Anyone able to share the full article?charlton_hero said:Evening Standard reporting that Muir has insisted the takeover is not off.
Evening Standard - West End Final Extra15 Jun 2018
ANDREW MUIR still expects to complete a takeover of Charlton and a source close to the Australian insists the proposed deal has not collapsed.
Doubts were raised when Charlton confirmed yesterday that Lee Bowyer would continue in his role as caretaker manager.
With takeover talks dragging on, Charlton owner Roland Duchatelet has asked Bowyer to start planning for next season, suggesting he thinks a deal is not imminent.
Muir heads a consortium that has been in talks with Duchatelet for months.
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/evening-standard-west-end-final-extra/20180615/283008285484046
No evidence that they've even spoken to Muir. Or even one of his representatives.
It is very unlikely that the Standard would have published this using those words without the 'source' being either Muir or a spokesperson on his behalf (possibly Gerard Murphy).3 -
I’m tempted to use the C word for RD
the C word in question being Capricious (changing according to no discernible rules; unpredictable).
If we look at just some of the superficial evidence then this may hold up as a theory behind the reason for the long-delayed take over.
Not so long after RD and Meire arrived at Charlton one of the many executive management errors perpetrated by RD was defended by Meire with the infamous phrase ‘Roland doesn’t do Failure’.
This is the fundamental reason IMO why RD is taking so long over the take-over. We know, from his retreat from the footballing ownership side of STVV and his own recent statement that he is getting out of football (or words to that effect) that he wants out at Charlton.
However, whilst he had an exit strategy in place at STVV – he had other assets around the Stayen and he left them in the Belgian First Division – no such exit strategy existed at Charlton so we have seen the club lurch into this now perilous position.
This is because RD is conflicted – he wants out but doesn’t do failure remember so he must apportion blame to others for the current state of the club (Collapse of Fair Play rules, the stupidity of managers who will not listen to advice, the rejection of players and staff sent from Belgium, the fans of course – viewed as uneducated vinegar pissers – ex-employees with axes to grind, in fact anyone but the genius Roland Duchatelet a prophet unrecognised not only in his own country (see below) but now here as well. Didn’t he tell ROT that, unfettered, he would have taken Charlton to the Premier League?
There is a very significant analogy here. In Belgium RD founded his own political party, Vivant, in the mid 90s, which later merged with the Flemish Liberal Democrats (VLD) to become Open VLD. RD had a particular vision essentially based around tax-reform and basic living wages. No bad thing in principle maybe but in practice totally unworkable. So, instead of becoming the economic saviour of Belgium RD and his party VIVANT has dropped into political obscurity.
But he just cannot accept the rejection and the whiff of failure.
3 Blokes will tell us how many days Roland Duchatelet has been at Charlton.
Roland Duchatelet was the self-appointed leader of the VIVANT party in the 1990’s. He still is! How many days is that?
IMO, anyone dealing with this idiot will not only have to stump up funds over the odds but may well have to stoke his ego to such an extent that it would be embarrassing for any self-respecting businessman. Roland may simply like to hold onto power at Charlton in order to exercise it according to his capricious nature. Remember that incredible statement that came out of RDs mouth (perhaps via Meire) during the Varney approach – ‘we thought that he might have been making an inquiry about a billboard.’. Is that the response of a rationale businessman?
That illustrates the measure of the man. Vindictive, stubborn and unable to engage in a way which recognises the basic humanity of others. A sociopath with wealth - a very nasty combination and no surprise that those attempting to negotiate with this man are finding the whole business so incredibly frustrating.
He is treating not only Charlton supporters with contempt but most probably everyone else within the Charlton orbit including perhaps even those looking to buy him out.
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Or a good way to cover up the source being Charlton Life.micks1950 said:
"a source close to" is everyday Journalist jargon for either the person themself or an authorised 'spokesperson'.East_Stand_Loopy said:
Sorry, I just think this is rehashed news...micks1950 said:.
Muir still targeting Charlton takeoverScoham said:
Anyone able to share the full article?charlton_hero said:Evening Standard reporting that Muir has insisted the takeover is not off.
Evening Standard - West End Final Extra15 Jun 2018
ANDREW MUIR still expects to complete a takeover of Charlton and a source close to the Australian insists the proposed deal has not collapsed.
Doubts were raised when Charlton confirmed yesterday that Lee Bowyer would continue in his role as caretaker manager.
With takeover talks dragging on, Charlton owner Roland Duchatelet has asked Bowyer to start planning for next season, suggesting he thinks a deal is not imminent.
Muir heads a consortium that has been in talks with Duchatelet for months.
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/evening-standard-west-end-final-extra/20180615/283008285484046
No evidence that they've even spoken to Muir. Or even one of his representatives.
It is very unlikely that the Standard would have published this using those words without the 'source' being either Muir or a spokesperson on his behalf (possibly Gerard Murphy).1 -
but has Charlton Life said that Muir said that?Stu_of_Kunming said:
Or a good way to cover up the source being Charlton Life.micks1950 said:
"a source close to" is everyday Journalist jargon for either the person themself or an authorised 'spokesperson'.East_Stand_Loopy said:
Sorry, I just think this is rehashed news...micks1950 said:.
Muir still targeting Charlton takeoverScoham said:
Anyone able to share the full article?charlton_hero said:Evening Standard reporting that Muir has insisted the takeover is not off.
Evening Standard - West End Final Extra15 Jun 2018
ANDREW MUIR still expects to complete a takeover of Charlton and a source close to the Australian insists the proposed deal has not collapsed.
Doubts were raised when Charlton confirmed yesterday that Lee Bowyer would continue in his role as caretaker manager.
With takeover talks dragging on, Charlton owner Roland Duchatelet has asked Bowyer to start planning for next season, suggesting he thinks a deal is not imminent.
Muir heads a consortium that has been in talks with Duchatelet for months.
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/evening-standard-west-end-final-extra/20180615/283008285484046
No evidence that they've even spoken to Muir. Or even one of his representatives.
It is very unlikely that the Standard would have published this using those words without the 'source' being either Muir or a spokesperson on his behalf (possibly Gerard Murphy).4 - Sponsored links:
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Not really.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Or a good way to cover up the source being Charlton Life.micks1950 said:
"a source close to" is everyday Journalist jargon for either the person themself or an authorised 'spokesperson'.East_Stand_Loopy said:
Sorry, I just think this is rehashed news...micks1950 said:.
Muir still targeting Charlton takeoverScoham said:
Anyone able to share the full article?charlton_hero said:Evening Standard reporting that Muir has insisted the takeover is not off.
Evening Standard - West End Final Extra15 Jun 2018
ANDREW MUIR still expects to complete a takeover of Charlton and a source close to the Australian insists the proposed deal has not collapsed.
Doubts were raised when Charlton confirmed yesterday that Lee Bowyer would continue in his role as caretaker manager.
With takeover talks dragging on, Charlton owner Roland Duchatelet has asked Bowyer to start planning for next season, suggesting he thinks a deal is not imminent.
Muir heads a consortium that has been in talks with Duchatelet for months.
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/evening-standard-west-end-final-extra/20180615/283008285484046
No evidence that they've even spoken to Muir. Or even one of his representatives.
It is very unlikely that the Standard would have published this using those words without the 'source' being either Muir or a spokesperson on his behalf (possibly Gerard Murphy).
As I said "a source close to" is accepted journalist code for the source being the person named (or someone on their behalf).
If it had been anything else another common phrase like "it is understood" would probably have been used (but even that usually means that the source is regarded as reasonably reliable - rather than a rumour copied from a fans forum or other social media).
To me the short Standard piece indicates that (at yesterday evening at least) negotiations of some sort were still ongoing and possibly that a 'Non Disclosure Agreement' was still in place (hence the indirect attribution to Muir).1 -
I can confirm that both the Standard and the SLP are talking directly to the Aussies.East_Stand_Loopy said:
Sorry, I just think this is rehashed news...micks1950 said:.
Muir still targeting Charlton takeoverScoham said:
Anyone able to share the full article?charlton_hero said:Evening Standard reporting that Muir has insisted the takeover is not off.
Evening Standard - West End Final Extra15 Jun 2018
ANDREW MUIR still expects to complete a takeover of Charlton and a source close to the Australian insists the proposed deal has not collapsed.
Doubts were raised when Charlton confirmed yesterday that Lee Bowyer would continue in his role as caretaker manager.
With takeover talks dragging on, Charlton owner Roland Duchatelet has asked Bowyer to start planning for next season, suggesting he thinks a deal is not imminent.
Muir heads a consortium that has been in talks with Duchatelet for months.
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/evening-standard-west-end-final-extra/20180615/283008285484046
No evidence that they've even spoken to Muir. Or even one of his representatives.30 -
What is the point of these talks if they don't result in accurate journalistic coverage of what has been happening. Have they reported anything that we, on CL, have not already been made aware of by various ITK posters?Airman Brown said:
I can confirm that both the Standard and the SLP are talking directly to the Aussies.East_Stand_Loopy said:
Sorry, I just think this is rehashed news...micks1950 said:.
Muir still targeting Charlton takeoverScoham said:
Anyone able to share the full article?charlton_hero said:Evening Standard reporting that Muir has insisted the takeover is not off.
Evening Standard - West End Final Extra15 Jun 2018
ANDREW MUIR still expects to complete a takeover of Charlton and a source close to the Australian insists the proposed deal has not collapsed.
Doubts were raised when Charlton confirmed yesterday that Lee Bowyer would continue in his role as caretaker manager.
With takeover talks dragging on, Charlton owner Roland Duchatelet has asked Bowyer to start planning for next season, suggesting he thinks a deal is not imminent.
Muir heads a consortium that has been in talks with Duchatelet for months.
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/evening-standard-west-end-final-extra/20180615/283008285484046
No evidence that they've even spoken to Muir. Or even one of his representatives.4 -
You can’t have it both ways. The original suggestion was that they were lifting stuff from here. That’s not the case. They are sourcing it themselves and putting their credibility behind it. Of course it’s going to be similar, but it’s additional. We complain when they ignore the story - are we really saying they shouldn’t report things because they have already been posted on message boards? What about the Charlton fans, never mind other newspaper readers, who either don’t read or don’t trust message boards?Red_in_SE8 said:
What is the point of these talks if they don't result in accurate journalistic coverage of what has been happening. Have they reported anything that we, on CL, have not already been made aware of by various ITK posters?Airman Brown said:
I can confirm that both the Standard and the SLP are talking directly to the Aussies.East_Stand_Loopy said:
Sorry, I just think this is rehashed news...micks1950 said:.
Muir still targeting Charlton takeoverScoham said:
Anyone able to share the full article?charlton_hero said:Evening Standard reporting that Muir has insisted the takeover is not off.
Evening Standard - West End Final Extra15 Jun 2018
ANDREW MUIR still expects to complete a takeover of Charlton and a source close to the Australian insists the proposed deal has not collapsed.
Doubts were raised when Charlton confirmed yesterday that Lee Bowyer would continue in his role as caretaker manager.
With takeover talks dragging on, Charlton owner Roland Duchatelet has asked Bowyer to start planning for next season, suggesting he thinks a deal is not imminent.
Muir heads a consortium that has been in talks with Duchatelet for months.
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/evening-standard-west-end-final-extra/20180615/283008285484046
No evidence that they've even spoken to Muir. Or even one of his representatives.
The journalists concerned are reporting what they have. If they could get more they would report that too. It’s fairly clear the Aussies feel they can’t speak on the record, presumably because of an NDA, but they are trying to offer some reassurance.24 -
By bringing it to the attention of other fans who don't use this forum and aren't privy to said ITK posters?Red_in_SE8 said:
What is the point of these talks if they don't result in accurate journalistic coverage of what has been happening. Have they reported anything that we, on CL, have not already been made aware of by various ITK posters?Airman Brown said:
I can confirm that both the Standard and the SLP are talking directly to the Aussies.East_Stand_Loopy said:
Sorry, I just think this is rehashed news...micks1950 said:.
Muir still targeting Charlton takeoverScoham said:
Anyone able to share the full article?charlton_hero said:Evening Standard reporting that Muir has insisted the takeover is not off.
Evening Standard - West End Final Extra15 Jun 2018
ANDREW MUIR still expects to complete a takeover of Charlton and a source close to the Australian insists the proposed deal has not collapsed.
Doubts were raised when Charlton confirmed yesterday that Lee Bowyer would continue in his role as caretaker manager.
With takeover talks dragging on, Charlton owner Roland Duchatelet has asked Bowyer to start planning for next season, suggesting he thinks a deal is not imminent.
Muir heads a consortium that has been in talks with Duchatelet for months.
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/evening-standard-west-end-final-extra/20180615/283008285484046
No evidence that they've even spoken to Muir. Or even one of his representatives.3 -
So, is it actually happening then ??0
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I’m stuck with the image of our ITK posters in the privy now. Thanks for that.0
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Together?ShootersHillGuru said:I’m stuck with the image of our ITK posters in the privy now.
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Definitely Maybe.Horsfield9 said:So, is it actually happening then ??
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So what's the story?blackpool72 said:
Definitely Maybe.Horsfield9 said:So, is it actually happening then ??
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I'm also tempted to use the C word for RD but it doesn't contain as many letters as CJ1947s exampleCoyotejohn1947 said:I’m tempted to use the C word for RD
the C word in question being Capricious (changing according to no discernible rules; unpredictable).
If we look at just some of the superficial evidence then this may hold up as a theory behind the reason for the long-delayed take over.
Not so long after RD and Meire arrived at Charlton one of the many executive management errors perpetrated by RD was defended by Meire with the infamous phrase ‘Roland doesn’t do Failure’.
This is the fundamental reason IMO why RD is taking so long over the take-over. We know, from his retreat from the footballing ownership side of STVV and his own recent statement that he is getting out of football (or words to that effect) that he wants out at Charlton.
However, whilst he had an exit strategy in place at STVV – he had other assets around the Stayen and he left them in the Belgian First Division – no such exit strategy existed at Charlton so we have seen the club lurch into this now perilous position.
This is because RD is conflicted – he wants out but doesn’t do failure remember so he must apportion blame to others for the current state of the club (Collapse of Fair Play rules, the stupidity of managers who will not listen to advice, the rejection of players and staff sent from Belgium, the fans of course – viewed as uneducated vinegar pissers – ex-employees with axes to grind, in fact anyone but the genius Roland Duchatelet a prophet unrecognised not only in his own country (see below) but now here as well. Didn’t he tell ROT that, unfettered, he would have taken Charlton to the Premier League?
There is a very significant analogy here. In Belgium RD founded his own political party, Vivant, in the mid 90s, which later merged with the Flemish Liberal Democrats (VLD) to become Open VLD. RD had a particular vision essentially based around tax-reform and basic living wages. No bad thing in principle maybe but in practice totally unworkable. So, instead of becoming the economic saviour of Belgium RD and his party VIVANT has dropped into political obscurity.
But he just cannot accept the rejection and the whiff of failure.
3 Blokes will tell us how many days Roland Duchatelet has been at Charlton.
Roland Duchatelet was the self-appointed leader of the VIVANT party in the 1990’s. He still is! How many days is that?
IMO, anyone dealing with this idiot will not only have to stump up funds over the odds but may well have to stoke his ego to such an extent that it would be embarrassing for any self-respecting businessman. Roland may simply like to hold onto power at Charlton in order to exercise it according to his capricious nature. Remember that incredible statement that came out of RDs mouth (perhaps via Meire) during the Varney approach – ‘we thought that he might have been making an inquiry about a billboard.’. Is that the response of a rationale businessman?
That illustrates the measure of the man. Vindictive, stubborn and unable to engage in a way which recognises the basic humanity of others. A sociopath with wealth - a very nasty combination and no surprise that those attempting to negotiate with this man are finding the whole business so incredibly frustrating.
He is treating not only Charlton supporters with contempt but most probably everyone else within the Charlton orbit including perhaps even those looking to buy him out.3 -
When it's on the OSHorsfield9 said:So, is it actually happening then ??
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Contempt?charltonbob said:
I'm also tempted to use the C word for RD but it doesn't contain as many letters as CJ1947s exampleCoyotejohn1947 said:I’m tempted to use the C word for RD
the C word in question being Capricious (changing according to no discernible rules; unpredictable).
If we look at just some of the superficial evidence then this may hold up as a theory behind the reason for the long-delayed take over.
Not so long after RD and Meire arrived at Charlton one of the many executive management errors perpetrated by RD was defended by Meire with the infamous phrase ‘Roland doesn’t do Failure’.
This is the fundamental reason IMO why RD is taking so long over the take-over. We know, from his retreat from the footballing ownership side of STVV and his own recent statement that he is getting out of football (or words to that effect) that he wants out at Charlton.
However, whilst he had an exit strategy in place at STVV – he had other assets around the Stayen and he left them in the Belgian First Division – no such exit strategy existed at Charlton so we have seen the club lurch into this now perilous position.
This is because RD is conflicted – he wants out but doesn’t do failure remember so he must apportion blame to others for the current state of the club (Collapse of Fair Play rules, the stupidity of managers who will not listen to advice, the rejection of players and staff sent from Belgium, the fans of course – viewed as uneducated vinegar pissers – ex-employees with axes to grind, in fact anyone but the genius Roland Duchatelet a prophet unrecognised not only in his own country (see below) but now here as well. Didn’t he tell ROT that, unfettered, he would have taken Charlton to the Premier League?
There is a very significant analogy here. In Belgium RD founded his own political party, Vivant, in the mid 90s, which later merged with the Flemish Liberal Democrats (VLD) to become Open VLD. RD had a particular vision essentially based around tax-reform and basic living wages. No bad thing in principle maybe but in practice totally unworkable. So, instead of becoming the economic saviour of Belgium RD and his party VIVANT has dropped into political obscurity.
But he just cannot accept the rejection and the whiff of failure.
3 Blokes will tell us how many days Roland Duchatelet has been at Charlton.
Roland Duchatelet was the self-appointed leader of the VIVANT party in the 1990’s. He still is! How many days is that?
IMO, anyone dealing with this idiot will not only have to stump up funds over the odds but may well have to stoke his ego to such an extent that it would be embarrassing for any self-respecting businessman. Roland may simply like to hold onto power at Charlton in order to exercise it according to his capricious nature. Remember that incredible statement that came out of RDs mouth (perhaps via Meire) during the Varney approach – ‘we thought that he might have been making an inquiry about a billboard.’. Is that the response of a rationale businessman?
That illustrates the measure of the man. Vindictive, stubborn and unable to engage in a way which recognises the basic humanity of others. A sociopath with wealth - a very nasty combination and no surprise that those attempting to negotiate with this man are finding the whole business so incredibly frustrating.
He is treating not only Charlton supporters with contempt but most probably everyone else within the Charlton orbit including perhaps even those looking to buy him out.1 -
Sadly it's plugged in but nobody remembered to switch it onSolidgone said:This is like waiting for a kettle to boil.
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I'm still tired at the moment so I can't answer yet.Cafc43v3r said:
So what's the story?blackpool72 said:
Definitely Maybe.Horsfield9 said:So, is it actually happening then ??
Need a little time to wake up.0 -
Are you chained to the mirror?blackpool72 said:
I'm still tired at the moment so I can't answer yet.Cafc43v3r said:
So what's the story?blackpool72 said:
Definitely Maybe.Horsfield9 said:So, is it actually happening then ??
Need a little time to wake up.0 -
And the razor blade ?Henry Irving said:
Are you chained to the mirror?blackpool72 said:
I'm still tired at the moment so I can't answer yet.Cafc43v3r said:
So what's the story?blackpool72 said:
Definitely Maybe.Horsfield9 said:So, is it actually happening then ??
Need a little time to wake up.1 -
I am just going to roll with itHorsfield9 said:
And the razor blade ?Henry Irving said:
Are you chained to the mirror?blackpool72 said:
I'm still tired at the moment so I can't answer yet.Cafc43v3r said:
So what's the story?blackpool72 said:
Definitely Maybe.Horsfield9 said:So, is it actually happening then ??
Need a little time to wake up.2 -
If only the take over could be here nowHenry Irving said:
Are you chained to the mirror?blackpool72 said:
I'm still tired at the moment so I can't answer yet.Cafc43v3r said:
So what's the story?blackpool72 said:
Definitely Maybe.Horsfield9 said:So, is it actually happening then ??
Need a little time to wake up.1 -
I won't believe it until I read it in the Hindu Times.Cafc43v3r said:
I am just going to roll with itHorsfield9 said:
And the razor blade ?Henry Irving said:
Are you chained to the mirror?blackpool72 said:
I'm still tired at the moment so I can't answer yet.Cafc43v3r said:
So what's the story?blackpool72 said:
Definitely Maybe.Horsfield9 said:So, is it actually happening then ??
Need a little time to wake up.2
