I've no idea what the price agreed might be or what any delays might have been for. I don't know the structure of the deal. Or who other parties might be. I don't know what's happening at The Valley or the training ground. And I don't know where Muir or RD are. So don't take anything on this post as "ITK".
But I'm having a guess at what one tiny piece of hold up might be.
Charlton have sold Konsa. The fee hasn't been disclosed. Its likely that the sale price agreed also includes an element whereby any player sale revenue is deducted from the selling price.
Let's say the fee was £4m. That could represent about 10 per cent of the sale price, so is pretty significant.
But it's very unlikely that a Championship club would pay the whole fee up front. (Premier League clubs would be more likely to pay £4m up front, but even then would probably spread the total over a number of years).
So there may be a disagreement as to whether the sale price should be reduced by the whole fee (say £4m) or just the initial payment (maybe £1m).
All these figures are guesses. But the point remains that there could be a disagreement between the seller's sale of the club and the buyer's valuation if a diminished asset.
THIS. Also to add he may be insisting any sell on clause money goes to him......done this at SL when selling them.
If all this is the case then the Aussies should go public. Tell the world & the EFL. Sod any NDA...... RD is a fuckwit.
Any sell-on or other monies should go to the club, whoever owns it at the time. So, to extend my earlier guess, if it's £1m now and £3m later (either on appearances, goals, caps, sell-on or anything else), the £1m goes to Charlton while RD is the owner and the £3m goes to Charlton while Muir is the owner.
If RD is trying to ensure he gets the £3m (especially if it's for sell-on) then Konsa will be, de facto, under third-party influence. Illegal. Neither fit nor proper.
And until that is ironed out, the Aussies shouldn't buy the club. RD has flogged Konsa with the intention of hurrying the Aussies up and, instead has caused them to delay.
I think RD has tried to be really clever. Again. And failed. Again.
How would Konsa be under the influence of a party that has sold him?
My (extraordinarily limited) understanding is that if (say) RD were in a position to benefit from (say) Konsa being sold by Brentford to (say) Chelsea, in the form of a sell-on clause, he could influence the player to move on.
There would be a financial advantage to a third party for one player to break his contract by being sold.
To reiterate, I don't know whether that's strictly proscribed. But it doesn't seem right that a player's sale can be of financial benefit to a party that is neither a player, club or agent.
Could it be that if Brentford were to sell Konsa on to (say) Chelsea for (say) £10m in two years time, RD’s sell on clause gets him (not Charlton) a significant percentage of the fee? I can imagine that would derail the agreement if the Aussies hadn’t planned for that.
That's exactly my suggestion. In that circumstance, RD will gain a huge fee for a player being sold from one club to another. And, as he won't (we hope!) have anything to do with Charlton or any other club, he could be in Konsa's ear every day and could be on the phone to Chelsea (or any other club) every day, without risk of "tapping up".
After Konsa's registration is transferred to Brentford, if roly were to benefit directly personally from a subsequent transfer that would be 3rd party ownership/control/influence which is proscribed, cos he isn't a registered agent, nor we presume Ezri's agent/manager. What roly does with the proceeds to CAFC from the transfer to BFC is up to him. Any (frankly really unlikely) sell-on revenue has to come to CAFC, as that was the entity which owned EK's registration. What deal the septic old cunt might make with the next CAFC owners as regards sell on revenues from players who wiped their feet at Sparrows Lane or The Valley during his catastrophic shitshow, is a matter between arsefeatures and the nextguys. Entirely academic cos the cadaverous wankstain was just after immediate liquid funds to ameliorate the haemorrhaging cashflow. Theoretical future revenues from some happenstance over which he can bring no influence won't even register with him as he knows the square root of fucknothing about the business of football.
Just had to be "liked" for the ultra-high quality and richly deserved personal abuse.
Duchâtelet really is a prime example of The Dunning-Kruger Effect in all its glory.
LMFAO. Some may disapprove but I think now everyone has to put pressure on him in whatever legal and eye catching way they can think of. Good work, Belgium 20.
(I didn't stay there so I probably should not join in.)
Some classics on there now. We’re really piling in
LMFAO. Some may disapprove but I think now everyone has to put pressure on him in whatever legal and eye catching way they can think of. Good work, Belgium 20.
(I didn't stay there so I probably should not join in.)
Some classics on there now. We’re really piling in
Don't worry I think he will get his own back for this in the end.
LMFAO. Some may disapprove but I think now everyone has to put pressure on him in whatever legal and eye catching way they can think of. Good work, Belgium 20.
(I didn't stay there so I probably should not join in.)
Some classics on there now. We’re really piling in
Won’t take a lot of guessing who one is mine . It starts with the word “Beds” . !
LMFAO. Some may disapprove but I think now everyone has to put pressure on him in whatever legal and eye catching way they can think of. Good work, Belgium 20.
(I didn't stay there so I probably should not join in.)
Some classics on there now. We’re really piling in
Don't worry I think he will get his own back for this in the end.
Far too much reverence towards 'Richard' I'm afraid and what appears to be acceptance of everything he has to say.
I would hope that CAST would be far more robust in their questioning of 'the conduit between the fans and the owner'. He is well aware of the consternation that is being felt by the grassroots fans yet the best he can manage if a few words of comfort.
It's about time CAST started to throw it's weight about with some transparent communication with all the major parties involved to get some clarity of the situation. They have been disappointedly quiet for the last two or three months.
Post of the month.
What the eff have the Trust done over the past 4 most turbulent years possibly in the clubs history - nothing significant that I can think of. And now the arse-licking of Murray.
Time for change methinks, either ditch it because its ineffective, or get new people onto the board.
So we don’t like Duchâtelet, we think we might not like the Aussies, we don’t like most of the players, we don’t really like each other, and now we don’t like the trust. Great.
Was this due to the apparent two other investors that the EFL were not happy with but said to have been sorted, or is the problem greater than this?
I don't know why, i have heard from 3 different sources that it was rejected
Almost certainly the most concerning aspect of the whole situation for me. No matter what Roland is doing, we knew this was a possibility.
But if the EFL have rejected it from the Aussie’s, it begs the question as to why and on what basis. This alone could send Roland into doing what he is doing, losing patience as he has said many times he believes there are too many time wasters out there.
I am not saying the Aussie’s are that, they’ve obviously made it very clear they want to buy the club. But if things have not been approved, I can only see Roland taking matters into his own hands and getting as much money in to run the club so he doesn’t have to spend another penny.
Goodness me, this is not good when things seemed to be going so well just last week.
It’s not just yours there’s been a very public undertone against his posts in the last week in my opinion
Never met the fella i dont agree with him daily on this thread but I may be wrong but I sense a change in reaction to his posts that I don’t agree with it’s not being precious it’s voicing an opinion that may make people think before posting or change their posts to show its more tongue in cheek than real
Was this due to the apparent two other investors that the EFL were not happy with but said to have been sorted, or is the problem greater than this?
I don't know why, i have heard from 3 different sources that it was rejected
Almost certainly the most concerning aspect of the whole situation for me. No matter what Roland is doing, we knew this was a possibility.
But if the EFL have rejected it from the Aussie’s, it begs the question as to why and on what basis. This alone could send Roland into doing what he is doing, losing patience as he has said many times he believes there are too many time wasters out there.
I am not saying the Aussie’s are that, they’ve obviously made it very clear they want to buy the club. But if things have not been approved, I can only see Roland taking matters into his own hands and getting as much money in to run the club so he doesn’t have to spend another penny.
Goodness me, this is not good when things seemed to be going so well just last week.
I do wish prople woulf read all the posts....it has been confirmed by at least 2 sources that thr EFL did originally have a problem with 2 of the potential investors that are/were part of the consortium but that has now been sorted. The "fit & proper" test was never rejected, just asked for clarifications which was believed to centre around the fact at least 1 of the individuals was in conflict due to being a part owner of another club.
Was this due to the apparent two other investors that the EFL were not happy with but said to have been sorted, or is the problem greater than this?
I don't know why, i have heard from 3 different sources that it was rejected
Almost certainly the most concerning aspect of the whole situation for me. No matter what Roland is doing, we knew this was a possibility.
But if the EFL have rejected it from the Aussie’s, it begs the question as to why and on what basis. This alone could send Roland into doing what he is doing, losing patience as he has said many times he believes there are too many time wasters out there.
I am not saying the Aussie’s are that, they’ve obviously made it very clear they want to buy the club. But if things have not been approved, I can only see Roland taking matters into his own hands and getting as much money in to run the club so he doesn’t have to spend another penny.
Goodness me, this is not good when things seemed to be going so well just last week.
I do wish prople woulf read all the posts....it has been confirmed by at least 2 sources that thr EFL did originally have a problem with 2 of the potential investors that are/were part of the consortium but that has now been sorted. The "fit & proper" test was never rejected, just asked for clarifications which was believed to centre around the fact at least 1 of the individuals was in conflict due to being a part owner of another club.
We have not had confirmation from any official source except a text from someone to someone on here (who I believe wholeheartedly by the way) so it is open to debate as it’s validity until it comes out on an official cafc or EFL media outlet
"He said that Lee Bowyer is talking to potential signings and that Bowyer feels he needs four new players to have the makings of a challenging squad"
Fuck me that's ambitious. We just about had a challenging squad last season and off the top of my head we've already lost 8 of that squad (Amos, Dasilva, Konsa, Kashi, Jackson, Mavididi, Kaikai, Zyro), so how on earth can anyone say we only need 4 new players?
Was this due to the apparent two other investors that the EFL were not happy with but said to have been sorted, or is the problem greater than this?
I don't know why, i have heard from 3 different sources that it was rejected
Almost certainly the most concerning aspect of the whole situation for me. No matter what Roland is doing, we knew this was a possibility.
But if the EFL have rejected it from the Aussie’s, it begs the question as to why and on what basis. This alone could send Roland into doing what he is doing, losing patience as he has said many times he believes there are too many time wasters out there.
I am not saying the Aussie’s are that, they’ve obviously made it very clear they want to buy the club. But if things have not been approved, I can only see Roland taking matters into his own hands and getting as much money in to run the club so he doesn’t have to spend another penny.
Goodness me, this is not good when things seemed to be going so well just last week.
I do wish prople woulf read all the posts....it has been confirmed by at least 2 sources that thr EFL did originally have a problem with 2 of the potential investors that are/were part of the consortium but that has now been sorted. The "fit & proper" test was never rejected, just asked for clarifications which was believed to centre around the fact at least 1 of the individuals was in conflict due to being a part owner of another club.
I do read all the posts and are very much aware what has been posted and put out in the media. I have also been told by people myself about how the situation has developed over the last month or so. But I am not anything in the know, not anything like Airman, JamesSeed or RedHenry.
The fact that RedHenry has been told by three separate people that the EFL rejected it, is more concerning than many posts on here that are bickering amongst one another for no reason.
Don’t be so hasty with the comments sometimes, there is so much different information being said that even the people who should know what is happening, doesn’t know for certain.
Was this due to the apparent two other investors that the EFL were not happy with but said to have been sorted, or is the problem greater than this?
I don't know why, i have heard from 3 different sources that it was rejected
Almost certainly the most concerning aspect of the whole situation for me. No matter what Roland is doing, we knew this was a possibility.
But if the EFL have rejected it from the Aussie’s, it begs the question as to why and on what basis. This alone could send Roland into doing what he is doing, losing patience as he has said many times he believes there are too many time wasters out there.
I am not saying the Aussie’s are that, they’ve obviously made it very clear they want to buy the club. But if things have not been approved, I can only see Roland taking matters into his own hands and getting as much money in to run the club so he doesn’t have to spend another penny.
Goodness me, this is not good when things seemed to be going so well just last week.
I do wish prople woulf read all the posts....it has been confirmed by at least 2 sources that thr EFL did originally have a problem with 2 of the potential investors that are/were part of the consortium but that has now been sorted. The "fit & proper" test was never rejected, just asked for clarifications which was believed to centre around the fact at least 1 of the individuals was in conflict due to being a part owner of another club.
Not so
We heard there were two qualifications and some assumed that meant two investors and that that meant they either had no money or had links to other clubs.
But we have since heard that the test has been passed.
Only Duchatelet lost patience and rather than ringing the league he sold Konsa.
Talk about damned if you do and damned if you don't! People on here were calling for the Trust to try and elicit some comment from the club, and some members approached us directly with that request, including some posters on here specifically suggesting we contact Murray. We were already discussing it ourselves so yesterday one of the board called Richard Murray, as we do have that option open to us - he would unlikely have taken a call from many others. (In case you missed it, we don't have a direct line to Duchatelet, though ROT did a good job of getting his comments very recently.)
We have simply provided feedback on what Murray said, as, like most on here and elsewhere, we are in no way sure of what is or isn't happening right now. If you read back through the Trust website, you will find plenty of criticism and calling to account of the club over the past three years.
Was this due to the apparent two other investors that the EFL were not happy with but said to have been sorted, or is the problem greater than this?
I don't know why, i have heard from 3 different sources that it was rejected
Almost certainly the most concerning aspect of the whole situation for me. No matter what Roland is doing, we knew this was a possibility.
But if the EFL have rejected it from the Aussie’s, it begs the question as to why and on what basis. This alone could send Roland into doing what he is doing, losing patience as he has said many times he believes there are too many time wasters out there.
I am not saying the Aussie’s are that, they’ve obviously made it very clear they want to buy the club. But if things have not been approved, I can only see Roland taking matters into his own hands and getting as much money in to run the club so he doesn’t have to spend another penny.
Goodness me, this is not good when things seemed to be going so well just last week.
I do wish prople woulf read all the posts....it has been confirmed by at least 2 sources that thr EFL did originally have a problem with 2 of the potential investors that are/were part of the consortium but that has now been sorted. The "fit & proper" test was never rejected, just asked for clarifications which was believed to centre around the fact at least 1 of the individuals was in conflict due to being a part owner of another club.
We have not had confirmation from any official source except a text from someone to someone on here (who I believe wholeheartedly by the way) so it is open to debate as it’s validity until it comes out on an official cafc or EFL media outlet
We've not had an official source about anything in this whole bid process!
I imagine the EKL committee wouldn't make a statement about their findings anyway, whichever way they go
"He said that Lee Bowyer is talking to potential signings and that Bowyer feels he needs four new players to have the makings of a challenging squad"
Fuck me that's ambitious. We just about had a challenging squad last season and off the top of my head we've already lost 8 of that squad (Amos, Dasilva, Konsa, Kashi, Jackson, Mavididi, Kaikai, Zyro), so how on earth can anyone say we only need 4 new players?
Ten if you discount KAG and RHF
Plus Solly and Clarke aren't fit and Magennis and Marshall available for transfer.
"He said that Lee Bowyer is talking to potential signings and that Bowyer feels he needs four new players to have the makings of a challenging squad"
Fuck me that's ambitious. We just about had a challenging squad last season and off the top of my head we've already lost 8 of that squad (Amos, Dasilva, Konsa, Kashi, Jackson, Mavididi, Kaikai, Zyro), so how on earth can anyone say we only need 4 new players?
Take out KAG and RHF and we have 17 first team players (not that they really counted as "first team" anyway).
Then you've got Solly and Page who's injury history suggest they won't play every game. Clarke returning from a long term injury.
Dijksteel very inexperienced. Phillips unproven at this level as our only goalkeeper.
Then the likes of Magennis and Ajose who should be squad players at best in a promotion chasing squad
Then it assumes we manage to keep our better players like Fosu and Bauer. Vetokele is likely to be loaned out again.
We probably need at least 6 but realistically somewhere around 10 to give us a strong squad that can genuinly compete for the automatic places. We need better than the majority of our squad players being in their late teens/early twenties with little experience between them.
I skim through new posts on this thread many times a day. I've probably got to the stage where I almost don't know what to say now... It's truly daunting to think about the possibility of RD remaining here for another season. That would be at least four successive years in League one for us: 2016/17, 2017/18, 2018/19 (if he's here next season then I doubt we'll get promoted), and 2019/20! A (shameful) history in the making....
When he does decide to fuck off you should have a copy of this entire thread in the museum. So in years to come when younger Charlton fans moan about how we are doing they should be made to read this entire thread to see what we had to endure.
"He said that Lee Bowyer is talking to potential signings and that Bowyer feels he needs four new players to have the makings of a challenging squad"
Fuck me that's ambitious. We just about had a challenging squad last season and off the top of my head we've already lost 8 of that squad (Amos, Dasilva, Konsa, Kashi, Jackson, Mavididi, Kaikai, Zyro), so how on earth can anyone say we only need 4 new players?
It probably depends what he means - challenging for him or for opponents!
"He said that Lee Bowyer is talking to potential signings and that Bowyer feels he needs four new players to have the makings of a challenging squad"
Fuck me that's ambitious. We just about had a challenging squad last season and off the top of my head we've already lost 8 of that squad (Amos, Dasilva, Konsa, Kashi, Jackson, Mavididi, Kaikai, Zyro), so how on earth can anyone say we only need 4 new players?
Ten if you discount KAG and RHF
Plus Solly and Clarke aren't fit and Magennis and Marshall available for transfer.
Talk about damned if you do and damned if you don't! People on here were calling for the Trust to try and elicit some comment from the club, and some members approached us directly with that request, including some posters on here specifically suggesting we contact Murray. We were already discussing it ourselves so yesterday one of the board called Richard Murray, as we do have that option open to us - he would unlikely have taken a call from many others. (In case you missed it, we don't have a direct line to Duchatelet, though ROT did a good job of getting his comments very recently.)
We have simply provided feedback on what Murray said, as, like most on here and elsewhere, we are in no way sure of what is or isn't happening right now. If you read back through the Trust website, you will find plenty of criticism and calling to account of the club over the past three years.
Exactly, which is why I don't step up to the plate. It's the same for most people that have/say they have some information.
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Duchâtelet really is a prime example of The Dunning-Kruger Effect in all its glory.
RICHARD MURRAY – TWO PARTIES STILL NEGOTIATING
JUNE 15, 2018
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But if the EFL have rejected it from the Aussie’s, it begs the question as to why and on what basis. This alone could send Roland into doing what he is doing, losing patience as he has said many times he believes there are too many time wasters out there.
I am not saying the Aussie’s are that, they’ve obviously made it very clear they want to buy the club. But if things have not been approved, I can only see Roland taking matters into his own hands and getting as much money in to run the club so he doesn’t have to spend another penny.
Goodness me, this is not good when things seemed to be going so well just last week.
This is a football forum where People are free to post without provocation and intimidation
Ease off the fella it’s borderline bullying
Never met the fella i dont agree with him daily on this thread but I may be wrong but I sense a change in reaction to his posts that I don’t agree with it’s not being precious it’s voicing an opinion that may make people think before posting or change their posts to show its more tongue in cheek than real
Fuck me that's ambitious. We just about had a challenging squad last season and off the top of my head we've already lost 8 of that squad (Amos, Dasilva, Konsa, Kashi, Jackson, Mavididi, Kaikai, Zyro), so how on earth can anyone say we only need 4 new players?
The fact that RedHenry has been told by three separate people that the EFL rejected it, is more concerning than many posts on here that are bickering amongst one another for no reason.
Don’t be so hasty with the comments sometimes, there is so much different information being said that even the people who should know what is happening, doesn’t know for certain.
We heard there were two qualifications and some assumed that meant two investors and that that meant they either had no money or had links to other clubs.
But we have since heard that the test has been passed.
Only Duchatelet lost patience and rather than ringing the league he sold Konsa.
We have simply provided feedback on what Murray said, as, like most on here and elsewhere, we are in no way sure of what is or isn't happening right now. If you read back through the Trust website, you will find plenty of criticism and calling to account of the club over the past three years.
I imagine the EKL committee wouldn't make a statement about their findings anyway, whichever way they go
Plus Solly and Clarke aren't fit and Magennis and Marshall available for transfer.
Then you've got Solly and Page who's injury history suggest they won't play every game. Clarke returning from a long term injury.
Dijksteel very inexperienced. Phillips unproven at this level as our only goalkeeper.
Then the likes of Magennis and Ajose who should be squad players at best in a promotion chasing squad
Then it assumes we manage to keep our better players like Fosu and Bauer. Vetokele is likely to be loaned out again.
We probably need at least 6 but realistically somewhere around 10 to give us a strong squad that can genuinly compete for the automatic places. We need better than the majority of our squad players being in their late teens/early twenties with little experience between them.
So in years to come when younger Charlton fans moan about how we are doing they should be made to read this entire thread to see what we had to endure.