What I really don’t get and I know it has been said many times before. Is how did we get from Muir marching around the valley scarfed up and acting as though his ownership was a formality, to this .........?
It’s scarfie I feel for in all this. Paraded around, given her moment in the spotlight again, and then discarded like a worthless piece of trash without a second thought for her feelings. It’s no way to treat a loyal club servant.
Wait what?! Isn’t Scarfy a ‘he’?! Don’t tell me he’s had a sex change. Now that would be big news!
Whatever happens, it needs to come to a conclusion soon, there is a lot to do on the player side of things and we will be in a huge amount of trouble if we don't start getting players in.
Roland didn't decide to sell Konsa Wednesday morning and have it all wrapped up by lunch time, it would have started last week, whilst the paperwork was still with the EFL. The Aussies get the all clear from the league and then find RD is selling over £4million of asset out from under them.
They rightfully say hold on a minute and demand to meet RD face to face to get an explanation.
Not saying the above is what happened, but it definitely fits the timeline and explains what's happened in the last 72 hours.
It pains me to say but I don't think RD woukd have started appointing managers and readying things for the new season if there was any chance the deal is still on
My view, offer accepted and efl approved. Roland then decided to sell konsa, Aussies pissed! More sales etc threatened by Roland as a warning shot to the Aussies. Aussies still sulking with today being the day where it either progresses or collapsed!
I've no idea what the price agreed might be or what any delays might have been for. I don't know the structure of the deal. Or who other parties might be. I don't know what's happening at The Valley or the training ground. And I don't know where Muir or RD are. So don't take anything on this post as "ITK".
But I'm having a guess at what one tiny piece of hold up might be.
Charlton have sold Konsa. The fee hasn't been disclosed. Its likely that the sale price agreed also includes an element whereby any player sale revenue is deducted from the selling price.
Let's say the fee was £4m. That could represent about 10 per cent of the sale price, so is pretty significant.
But it's very unlikely that a Championship club would pay the whole fee up front. (Premier League clubs would be more likely to pay £4m up front, but even then would probably spread the total over a number of years).
So there may be a disagreement as to whether the sale price should be reduced by the whole fee (say £4m) or just the initial payment (maybe £1m).
All these figures are guesses. But the point remains that there could be a disagreement between the seller's sale of the club and the buyer's valuation if a diminished asset.
THIS. Also to add he may be insisting any sell on clause money goes to him......done this at SL when selling them.
If all this is the case then the Aussies should go public. Tell the world & the EFL. Sod any NDA...... RD is a fuckwit.
The EFL apparently only have one team of people to do their Fit and Proper test. They say therefore that they have to do one at a time. They are already embarrassed by any signs that they delay a potential takeover. I wonder what on earth they would say or do if they found that Charlton are asking them to conduct two. You'd think they would turn round to RD and say "look, agree all the terms with one buyer, and then we do that one, and only that one".
There was a talk of Mike Ashley being interested when he thought he was getting out of Newcastle.
Could it me that a sale had been agreed to him, or a consortium he was involved in?
Now that would explain the British bit but also that it was better for RD and Murray than the aussie bid.
Now this is total guess work but we know RD did not do proper dd, did the previous owners either? Is it possible that there is a massive financial or morel black hole created by either the spivs or Murray that people are worried will be exposed?
A sale to a friendly, with Murray/spivs, consortium would prevent this coming out? If it does come out it could ruin Murray and humiliate RD? It would explain the determination of RD to keep varney as far away as possible, it could also explain the departure of almost the whole smt? Hasn't leaked due to water tight ndas?
The EFL apparently only have one team of people to do their Fit and Proper test. They say therefore that they have to do one at a time. They are already embarrassed by any signs that they delay a potential takeover. I wonder what on earth they would say or do if they found that Charlton are asking them to conduct two. You'd think they would turn round to RD and say "look, agree all the terms with one buyer, and then we do that one, and only that one".
And he will reply "But, I am Roland Duchatelet, I am the richest man in Limburg, I will do and say what I like, huh."
If Muir and RD met on Thursday and it didn’t go well, wouldn’t you think we’d be hearing from the Aussie side (directly or from those who are in contact with them - Cawley for one) that the deal was dead?
The EFL apparently only have one team of people to do their Fit and Proper test. They say therefore that they have to do one at a time. They are already embarrassed by any signs that they delay a potential takeover. I wonder what on earth they would say or do if they found that Charlton are asking them to conduct two. You'd think they would turn round to RD and say "look, agree all the terms with one buyer, and then we do that one, and only that one".
And he will reply "But, I am Roland Duchatelet, I am the richest man in Limburg, I will do and say what I like, huh."
Seriously, I wonder if the EFL charge for this audit, and if so, who pays, buyer or seller. Whatever, they ought to charge a bloody great penalty fee to the seller for every subsequent audit to the first in 12 months.
@Airman Brown is right the EFL should speak out about their own role, not least because it looks like RD is trashing their operation as well as ours.
I was told that RD met Murphy at The Valley yesterday - the meeting was backed up other sources. Whether he met Muir I can’t confirm nor where RD is today, but the Aussies are still talking.
However I believe I know where Dr Kish gets most of his info and I assume that person would be very likely to know if RD has gone home, if nothing else.
Murray’s comments are inconsistent with his statement at the end of February that the price and terms were then agreed with two parties, so if you take him seriously then he is saying that someone has moved the goalposts.
The Konsa deal may or may not do that but since it was done unilaterally at short notice and discounted to get cash early I doubt it was welcomed. There may be more to come out on this deal.
Nobody - including professionals in the process, former directors, or anyone in the media or around the club - seems to have seen evidence of a second bidder being involved. That’s remarkable if they exist. .
The EFL put great emphasis on the fit and proper persons test, but Roland slipped through it. The Chuckle Brothers without a pot to pee in would be more fit and proper than him!
LMFAO. Some may disapprove but I think now everyone has to put pressure on him in whatever legal and eye catching way they can think of. Good work, Belgium 20.
(I didn't stay there so I probably should not join in.)
The EFL put great emphasis on the fit and proper persons test, but Roland slipped through it. The Chuckle Brothers without a pot to pee in would be more fit and proper than him!
For the hundredth time, the test is basically to check if the people running the club have a criminal record, have previously run businesses that went bust, or have vested interests in football clubs directly in competition with the club being sold. RD didn't contravene any of those so why would they have failed him? For being a twat? That's not enough to fail the test
I've no idea what the price agreed might be or what any delays might have been for. I don't know the structure of the deal. Or who other parties might be. I don't know what's happening at The Valley or the training ground. And I don't know where Muir or RD are. So don't take anything on this post as "ITK".
But I'm having a guess at what one tiny piece of hold up might be.
Charlton have sold Konsa. The fee hasn't been disclosed. Its likely that the sale price agreed also includes an element whereby any player sale revenue is deducted from the selling price.
Let's say the fee was £4m. That could represent about 10 per cent of the sale price, so is pretty significant.
But it's very unlikely that a Championship club would pay the whole fee up front. (Premier League clubs would be more likely to pay £4m up front, but even then would probably spread the total over a number of years).
So there may be a disagreement as to whether the sale price should be reduced by the whole fee (say £4m) or just the initial payment (maybe £1m).
All these figures are guesses. But the point remains that there could be a disagreement between the seller's sale of the club and the buyer's valuation if a diminished asset.
THIS. Also to add he may be insisting any sell on clause money goes to him......done this at SL when selling them.
If all this is the case then the Aussies should go public. Tell the world & the EFL. Sod any NDA...... RD is a fuckwit.
Any sell-on or other monies should go to the club, whoever owns it at the time. So, to extend my earlier guess, if it's £1m now and £3m later (either on appearances, goals, caps, sell-on or anything else), the £1m goes to Charlton while RD is the owner and the £3m goes to Charlton while Muir is the owner.
If RD is trying to ensure he gets the £3m (especially if it's for sell-on) then Konsa will be, de facto, under third-party influence. Illegal. Neither fit nor proper.
And until that is ironed out, the Aussies shouldn't buy the club. RD has flogged Konsa with the intention of hurrying the Aussies up and, instead has caused them to delay.
I think RD has tried to be really clever. Again. And failed. Again.
I've no idea what the price agreed might be or what any delays might have been for. I don't know the structure of the deal. Or who other parties might be. I don't know what's happening at The Valley or the training ground. And I don't know where Muir or RD are. So don't take anything on this post as "ITK".
But I'm having a guess at what one tiny piece of hold up might be.
Charlton have sold Konsa. The fee hasn't been disclosed. Its likely that the sale price agreed also includes an element whereby any player sale revenue is deducted from the selling price.
Let's say the fee was £4m. That could represent about 10 per cent of the sale price, so is pretty significant.
But it's very unlikely that a Championship club would pay the whole fee up front. (Premier League clubs would be more likely to pay £4m up front, but even then would probably spread the total over a number of years).
So there may be a disagreement as to whether the sale price should be reduced by the whole fee (say £4m) or just the initial payment (maybe £1m).
All these figures are guesses. But the point remains that there could be a disagreement between the seller's sale of the club and the buyer's valuation if a diminished asset.
THIS. Also to add he may be insisting any sell on clause money goes to him......done this at SL when selling them.
If all this is the case then the Aussies should go public. Tell the world & the EFL. Sod any NDA...... RD is a fuckwit.
Any sell-on or other monies should go to the club, whoever owns it at the time. So, to extend my earlier guess, if it's £1m now and £3m later (either on appearances, goals, caps, sell-on or anything else), the £1m goes to Charlton while RD is the owner and the £3m goes to Charlton while Muir is the owner.
If RD is trying to ensure he gets the £3m (especially if it's for sell-on) then Konsa will be, de facto, under third-party influence. Illegal. Neither fit nor proper.
And until that is ironed out, the Aussies shouldn't buy the club. RD has flogged Konsa with the intention of hurrying the Aussies up and, instead has caused them to delay.
I think RD has tried to be really clever. Again. And failed. Again.
How would Konsa be under the influence of a party that has sold him?
The EFL put great emphasis on the fit and proper persons test, but Roland slipped through it. The Chuckle Brothers without a pot to pee in would be more fit and proper than him!
For the hundredth time, the test is basically to check if the people running the club have a criminal record, have previously run businesses that went bust, or have vested interests in football clubs directly in competition with the club being sold. RD didn't contravene any of those so why would they have failed him? For being a twat? That's not enough to fail the test
That is my point - that is exactly why he should have failed it
I've no idea what the price agreed might be or what any delays might have been for. I don't know the structure of the deal. Or who other parties might be. I don't know what's happening at The Valley or the training ground. And I don't know where Muir or RD are. So don't take anything on this post as "ITK".
But I'm having a guess at what one tiny piece of hold up might be.
Charlton have sold Konsa. The fee hasn't been disclosed. Its likely that the sale price agreed also includes an element whereby any player sale revenue is deducted from the selling price.
Let's say the fee was £4m. That could represent about 10 per cent of the sale price, so is pretty significant.
But it's very unlikely that a Championship club would pay the whole fee up front. (Premier League clubs would be more likely to pay £4m up front, but even then would probably spread the total over a number of years).
So there may be a disagreement as to whether the sale price should be reduced by the whole fee (say £4m) or just the initial payment (maybe £1m).
All these figures are guesses. But the point remains that there could be a disagreement between the seller's sale of the club and the buyer's valuation if a diminished asset.
THIS. Also to add he may be insisting any sell on clause money goes to him......done this at SL when selling them.
If all this is the case then the Aussies should go public. Tell the world & the EFL. Sod any NDA...... RD is a fuckwit.
Any sell-on or other monies should go to the club, whoever owns it at the time. So, to extend my earlier guess, if it's £1m now and £3m later (either on appearances, goals, caps, sell-on or anything else), the £1m goes to Charlton while RD is the owner and the £3m goes to Charlton while Muir is the owner.
If RD is trying to ensure he gets the £3m (especially if it's for sell-on) then Konsa will be, de facto, under third-party influence. Illegal. Neither fit nor proper.
And until that is ironed out, the Aussies shouldn't buy the club. RD has flogged Konsa with the intention of hurrying the Aussies up and, instead has caused them to delay.
I think RD has tried to be really clever. Again. And failed. Again.
Wasn't it rumoured he had a similar deal in place with Standard Liege when they sold Michy Batshuayi?
I've no idea what the price agreed might be or what any delays might have been for. I don't know the structure of the deal. Or who other parties might be. I don't know what's happening at The Valley or the training ground. And I don't know where Muir or RD are. So don't take anything on this post as "ITK".
But I'm having a guess at what one tiny piece of hold up might be.
Charlton have sold Konsa. The fee hasn't been disclosed. Its likely that the sale price agreed also includes an element whereby any player sale revenue is deducted from the selling price.
Let's say the fee was £4m. That could represent about 10 per cent of the sale price, so is pretty significant.
But it's very unlikely that a Championship club would pay the whole fee up front. (Premier League clubs would be more likely to pay £4m up front, but even then would probably spread the total over a number of years).
So there may be a disagreement as to whether the sale price should be reduced by the whole fee (say £4m) or just the initial payment (maybe £1m).
All these figures are guesses. But the point remains that there could be a disagreement between the seller's sale of the club and the buyer's valuation if a diminished asset.
THIS. Also to add he may be insisting any sell on clause money goes to him......done this at SL when selling them.
If all this is the case then the Aussies should go public. Tell the world & the EFL. Sod any NDA...... RD is a fuckwit.
Any sell-on or other monies should go to the club, whoever owns it at the time. So, to extend my earlier guess, if it's £1m now and £3m later (either on appearances, goals, caps, sell-on or anything else), the £1m goes to Charlton while RD is the owner and the £3m goes to Charlton while Muir is the owner.
If RD is trying to ensure he gets the £3m (especially if it's for sell-on) then Konsa will be, de facto, under third-party influence. Illegal. Neither fit nor proper.
And until that is ironed out, the Aussies shouldn't buy the club. RD has flogged Konsa with the intention of hurrying the Aussies up and, instead has caused them to delay.
I think RD has tried to be really clever. Again. And failed. Again.
Wasn't it rumoured he had a similar deal in place with Standard Liege when they sold Michy Batshuayi?
Yes, it is how he behaves. It is getting to the point where I am thinking we should continue to go after him, even after he sells us!
and still Richard Murray sits there watching as its now a real possibility we could go into this pre season with no signings, players leaving, no manager, no ceo, no chairman, no GK coach, no assistant manager, 1st team coach and no direction or hope.
Murray is as bad as KM now for me.
Played a blinder for his keeper by placating the fanbase and halting protests with the "it's happening" rhetoric.
Complete silence since and must know the impact this is having on thousands of fans desperate to know what is going on with their club. Anyone who thinks he has an ounce of respect for the Charlton fanbase these days is deluded.
As complicit as the Belgians in recent years, been used as a useful idiot to keep those who still believe the bs that he spouts on side to a degree.
Chairmen judge managers on being as good as their last string of results regardless of what they have achieved before and any prior credit has been tarnished if not obliterated over the past few years including the manipulation of fans with his pr and subsequent silence.
Posted this yesterday morning. Bang on cue comes the latest bit of fan manipulation via the CAST interview.
I'm really really really disappointed with the Trust. Why on earth would you talk to RM? All it's done is confirm the man talks shit and has made us all mad (OK madder).
Whatever happens I don't want him given any airtime ever again.
I can’t believe anybody is giving credence to what Murray says. He’s been proven to be untrustworthy and is one of the reasons why we are in such a mess and the sooner he’s gone along with RD the better.
It looks very much as if there is some kind of Mexican stand-off.
RD may be jibbing at a reduction in the purchase price to reflect the sale of Konsa - something which the Aussies are absolutely and quite rightly bound to demand. The player was doubtless sold off to cover running costs and, as well as reverting to type, RD may be trying to assert himself and show that he’s somehow in control of these negotiations. That may fit with Murray wittering on about a second potential purchaser.
If this is the case, RD is playing a very dangerous game, as Muir and his colleagues may simply decide to call his bluff and walk away. This may be why Duchatelet is making noises about planning for next season in an attempt to show that he’s not over a barrel -which he most certainly is.
If this odious egomaniac is still in place in August, I can feel a huge demonstration coming on at the first home game to supplement efforts in Belgium. Well done to the Belgium 20 and ROT for their foresight in participating in his local elections.
I've no idea what the price agreed might be or what any delays might have been for. I don't know the structure of the deal. Or who other parties might be. I don't know what's happening at The Valley or the training ground. And I don't know where Muir or RD are. So don't take anything on this post as "ITK".
But I'm having a guess at what one tiny piece of hold up might be.
Charlton have sold Konsa. The fee hasn't been disclosed. Its likely that the sale price agreed also includes an element whereby any player sale revenue is deducted from the selling price.
Let's say the fee was £4m. That could represent about 10 per cent of the sale price, so is pretty significant.
But it's very unlikely that a Championship club would pay the whole fee up front. (Premier League clubs would be more likely to pay £4m up front, but even then would probably spread the total over a number of years).
So there may be a disagreement as to whether the sale price should be reduced by the whole fee (say £4m) or just the initial payment (maybe £1m).
All these figures are guesses. But the point remains that there could be a disagreement between the seller's sale of the club and the buyer's valuation if a diminished asset.
THIS. Also to add he may be insisting any sell on clause money goes to him......done this at SL when selling them.
If all this is the case then the Aussies should go public. Tell the world & the EFL. Sod any NDA...... RD is a fuckwit.
Any sell-on or other monies should go to the club, whoever owns it at the time. So, to extend my earlier guess, if it's £1m now and £3m later (either on appearances, goals, caps, sell-on or anything else), the £1m goes to Charlton while RD is the owner and the £3m goes to Charlton while Muir is the owner.
If RD is trying to ensure he gets the £3m (especially if it's for sell-on) then Konsa will be, de facto, under third-party influence. Illegal. Neither fit nor proper.
And until that is ironed out, the Aussies shouldn't buy the club. RD has flogged Konsa with the intention of hurrying the Aussies up and, instead has caused them to delay.
I think RD has tried to be really clever. Again. And failed. Again.
Wasn't it rumoured he had a similar deal in place with Standard Liege when they sold Michy Batshuayi?
Yes, and not just him, though we never quite got to the bottom of it.
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They rightfully say hold on a minute and demand to meet RD face to face to get an explanation.
Not saying the above is what happened, but it definitely fits the timeline and explains what's happened in the last 72 hours.
If all this is the case then the Aussies should go public. Tell the world & the EFL. Sod any NDA...... RD is a fuckwit.
There was a talk of Mike Ashley being interested when he thought he was getting out of Newcastle.
Could it me that a sale had been agreed to him, or a consortium he was involved in?
Now that would explain the British bit but also that it was better for RD and Murray than the aussie bid.
Now this is total guess work but we know RD did not do proper dd, did the previous owners either? Is it possible that there is a massive financial or morel black hole created by either the spivs or Murray that people are worried will be exposed?
A sale to a friendly, with Murray/spivs, consortium would prevent this coming out? If it does come out it could ruin Murray and humiliate RD? It would explain the determination of RD to keep varney as far away as possible, it could also explain the departure of almost the whole smt? Hasn't leaked due to water tight ndas?
Could be all wrong, but could fit.
@Airman Brown is right the EFL should speak out about their own role, not least because it looks like RD is trashing their operation as well as ours.
However I believe I know where Dr Kish gets most of his info and I assume that person would be very likely to know if RD has gone home, if nothing else.
Murray’s comments are inconsistent with his statement at the end of February that the price and terms were then agreed with two parties, so if you take him seriously then he is saying that someone has moved the goalposts.
The Konsa deal may or may not do that but since it was done unilaterally at short notice and discounted to get cash early I doubt it was welcomed. There may be more to come out on this deal.
Nobody - including professionals in the process, former directors, or anyone in the media or around the club - seems to have seen evidence of a second bidder being involved. That’s remarkable if they exist.
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LMFAO. Some may disapprove but I think now everyone has to put pressure on him in whatever legal and eye catching way they can think of. Good work, Belgium 20.
(I didn't stay there so I probably should not join in.)
If RD is trying to ensure he gets the £3m (especially if it's for sell-on) then Konsa will be, de facto, under third-party influence. Illegal. Neither fit nor proper.
And until that is ironed out, the Aussies shouldn't buy the club. RD has flogged Konsa with the intention of hurrying the Aussies up and, instead has caused them to delay.
I think RD has tried to be really clever. Again. And failed. Again.
Playing the fans like a fiddle.
Why on earth would you talk to RM?
All it's done is confirm the man talks shit and has made us all mad (OK madder).
Whatever happens I don't want him given any airtime ever again.
RD may be jibbing at a reduction in the purchase price to reflect the sale of Konsa - something which the Aussies are absolutely and quite rightly bound to demand. The player was doubtless sold off to cover running costs and, as well as reverting to type, RD may be trying to assert himself and show that he’s somehow in control of these negotiations. That may fit with Murray wittering on about a second potential purchaser.
If this is the case, RD is playing a very dangerous game, as Muir and his colleagues may simply decide to call his bluff and walk away. This may be why Duchatelet is making noises about planning for next season in an attempt to show that he’s not over a barrel -which he most certainly is.
If this odious egomaniac is still in place in August, I can feel a huge demonstration coming on at the first home game to supplement efforts in Belgium. Well done to the Belgium 20 and ROT for their foresight in participating in his local elections.