Not sure if anyone has picked up on this from the official minutes;
“Alan Dryland (German Addicks) said he feels sympathetic towards RD, he said the club are losing £10m a year and that still 10,000 turn up to hate him. He asked what the attraction is? He said no-one is winning from it”
Firstly, there’s a German Addicks? Really?
Secondly, why on earth do they have sympathy with RD? Or is that just a poor choice of wording in the minutes?
Thirdly, is there any prospect of them goose stepping into Belgium again anytime soon and handing out some slaps?
I do find this a bit bizarre. Like @Razil was there representing the Swedish Addicks. I will put myself forward to represent the French Addicks. Anyone else care to join in?
Im half Spanish, I’ll do there. Can I claim expenses for a factfinding mission, two weeks in September would be convenient.
As others have said, it seems very unlikely that we're anywhere close to a sale and I think that, by now, we all take LDT's usual words of sophistry with a pinch of salt.
The idea of three different prices having been agreed - with the 'International party' yet to even complete due diligence - is odd and also apparently inconsistent with the club's website, which records that "LDT said RD doesn’t want to lower the price." The latter point is really the nub of the matter, although how long can this idiot go on absorbing £10 million annual losses ? The monthly operating losses may have come down but the failure to secure our best players on extended contracts - a consequence of 18 months in limbo - means that Duchatelet has, Taylor aside, more or less run out of saleable assets.
I'm very grateful to our supporters on the Fans Forum and particularly to those like @Henry Irving, @razil and others who took the opportunity to subject LDT to (as one judge put it) "the purifying ordeal of cross-examination".
The thing is there is an accountability gap here. Sure it was a takeover update but generally there is an area that no one takes responsibility for and that is the strategic management of the club.
This isn't down to Steve Gallen, he is the head scout, nor is it down to Bowyer who manages the team. LdT ducks responsibility for this area saying his remit is sale of the club, and I feel it is up to us to point out the mismanagement continues possibly for different reasons, but the man responsible for many decisions in this area comes nowhere near the FF. On one hand things have got better because the strategic management is distance and hands off (non existent), on the other clearly the club is in stasis while it is sold, throwing ambition and the opportunity Bowyer represents out with the bathwater..
I don't think LdT should be given a free ride on this whatsoever, even though the mismanagement has decreased/changed with the departure of Meire, and by some very good fortune in getting Bowyer in - lets face it every managerial appointment bar one when we had a CEO has been on a range of horrific to very 'effing' average.
Under LdTs stewardship short termism is rife. If things don't go well with players not signing new deals (Fosu, Bauer, Aribo, Veto), and a heavy reliance on loans (Cullen, Belick, Purrington) for our first 11 (have I missed any?), and uncertainty around Bowyers deal, could mean in coming months even our League 1 status is in serious jeopardy next year
Not sure if anyone has picked up on this from the official minutes;
“Alan Dryland (German Addicks) said he feels sympathetic towards RD, he said the club are losing £10m a year and that still 10,000 turn up to hate him. He asked what the attraction is? He said no-one is winning from it”
Firstly, there’s a German Addicks? Really?
Secondly, why on earth do they have sympathy with RD? Or is that just a poor choice of wording in the minutes?
Thirdly, is there any prospect of them goose stepping into Belgium again anytime soon and handing out some slaps?
I do find this a bit bizarre. Like @Razil was there representing the Swedish Addicks. I will put myself forward to represent the French Addicks. Anyone else care to join in?
I'll head up the Colombian Addicks...an opportunity not to be sniffed at
Not sure if anyone has picked up on this from the official minutes;
“Alan Dryland (German Addicks) said he feels sympathetic towards RD, he said the club are losing £10m a year and that still 10,000 turn up to hate him. He asked what the attraction is? He said no-one is winning from it”
Firstly, there’s a German Addicks? Really?
Secondly, why on earth do they have sympathy with RD? Or is that just a poor choice of wording in the minutes?
Thirdly, is there any prospect of them goose stepping into Belgium again anytime soon and handing out some slaps?
I do find this a bit bizarre. Like @Razil was there representing the Swedish Addicks. I will put myself forward to represent the French Addicks. Anyone else care to join in?
I'll head up the Colombian Addicks...an opportunity not to be sniffed at
Swedish Addicks established 2005, some have supported us since 1960s, the current Chairman (who I know well and have visited several times in Stockholm and vice versa, in fact he's over now for the Gills game) since 1978, think they have 40 paid members. Shouldn't they be represented on the FF? Not sure about ze Germans, but the more the merrier in my book.. we having an 'exec' meeting tonight (pub crawl in Greenwich)
German Addicks' first match was in May 2003. There are 5 in the group and generally when they're here all of them attend. They have covered 13 matches this season, including Wycombe away recently. They will be here for Rochdale, and two of them will be at PoTY - come along and say hello. Play-off plans are also being made. One of the guys has a chalet in his garden and this serves as club house and museum. I hope to attend the 2019/2020 season's planning session which will take place on 22 June, two days after the fixtures are published. I was there for the 2017 edition - these guys are brilliant!!
I have absolutely nothing against either the Swedish Addicks or German Addicks being represented but it's a bit bizarre especially in German Addicks case when they only have five members, albeit members who have attended thirteen more matches than I have this season. I'm sure there are Charlton supporting families on here, mine included, with more members but no direct representation. As I said I just find it a bit odd.
There is much to be regretted in the present estrangement between Owner and fans. When the realisation gradually dawned that we were the wrong club for RD, matters quickly got worse. There is nothing normal about this disconnection. The Owner's departure is eternally imminent, but potential New Owners are apparently content to play a waiting game. We fans cannot escape, we can only be rescued - when will the new investors break this whole thing wide open and get the job done? There was so much goodwill waiting for RD when he took over but he never took advantage of the fact and now it will roll over, with interest, to the new lot. But if not today, when? Next week? By 30 June? Or is this is maybe a race with Crossrail?
There is only one Addicks universe and everything connected with CAFC past, present or future is in it. I can't wait for all fans to be re-enfranchised - it can't come a day too soon. I don't understand a thing of RD's involvement or any conceivable interest he retains in football. Even recently promoted FC Carl Zeiss Jena, whom he publicly used to visit quite often when at his nearby factory, have not referred to him for months as far as I have seen. And if you have something to sell don't you need a salesman? Why use a bookkeeper, pleasant chap though LdT is? RD's almost wilful mismanagement of CAFC is unquestionably in breach of EFL regulations, and a less supine organisation than the League would surely long ago have put our golden share in serious jeopardy. Charlton Athletic are on the brink - of who knows what?
Have to say I am holding back my season ticket purchase until I know the outcome of this Summer's antics - CARD are spot-on on that, particularly after January and now the Bowyer situation, not that Roley gives a sh** I assume..
Let's face it, LDT is simply doing Duchatelet's dirty work, and is probably fairly well paid. When his job is done, he will scuttle back from where he came from, and probably will never give Charlton Athletic Football Club a second's thought. He has no affinity to the club, and if the club falls further down the football ladder, something he will be responsible for along with Duchatelet, he will feel no guilt whatsoever. The debacle over Bowyer's contract merely emphasises his disdain towards the players, football management and supporters of this football club. If he had either a conscience, or just a smidgeon of respect for CAFC, he would be doing his best to convince his paymaster that securing Bowyer's future, along with the futures of Jackson and Gallen, must be finalised before the play-offs are upon us. Sadly, that seems highly unlikely. As Oliver Hardy would say, 'this is another fine mess you've gotten us in to.'
Let's face it, LDT is simply doing Duchatelet's dirty work, and is probably fairly well paid. When his job is done, he will scuttle back from where he came from, and probably will never give Charlton Athletic Football Club a second's thought. He has no affinity to the club, and if the club falls further down the football ladder, something he will be responsible for along with Duchatelet, he will feel no guilt whatsoever. The debacle over Bowyer's contract merely emphasises his disdain towards the players, football management and supporters of this football club. If he had either a conscience, or just a smidgeon of respect for CAFC, he would be doing his best to convince his paymaster that securing Bowyer's future, along with the futures of Jackson and Gallen, must be finalised before the play-offs are upon us. Sadly, that seems highly unlikely. As Oliver Hardy would say, 'this is another fine mess you've gotten us in to.'
I have absolutely nothing against either the Swedish Addicks or German Addicks being represented but it's a bit bizarre especially in German Addicks case when they only have five members, albeit members who have attended thirteen more matches than I have this season. I'm sure there are Charlton supporting families on here, mine included, with more members but no direct representation. As I said I just find it a bit odd.
Mate, you're going to be furious when you find out about the "Belgian Addicks".
Have to say I am holding back my season ticket purchase until I know the outcome of this Summer's antics - CARD are spot-on on that, particularly after January and now the Bowyer situation, not that Roley gives a sh** I assume..
Your right to say it has zero effect on him. But I would ask myself this, the club is asking you to invest in something the owner is not prepared to invest in.
German Addicks' first match was in May 2003. There are 5 in the group and generally when they're here all of them attend. They have covered 13 matches this season, including Wycombe away recently. They will be here for Rochdale, and two of them will be at PoTY - come along and say hello. Play-off plans are also being made. One of the guys has a chalet in his garden and this serves as club house and museum. I hope to attend the 2019/2020 season's planning session which will take place on 22 June, two days after the fixtures are published. I was there for the 2017 edition - these guys are brilliant!!
Good stuff - well done them.
i wasnt intending to sound like I was having a pop at them, just didn’t realise they even existed.
Hovever, I do also find it a bit odd that a group with 5 members gets a seat at the table, but fair play to them I guess.
Out of interest , who actually attended and who were they representing?
Who else was invited that didn’t attend?
Were Charlton Life represented / invited? What about Into the Valley and the other forums?
German Addicks' first match was in May 2003. There are 5 in the group and generally when they're here all of them attend. They have covered 13 matches this season, including Wycombe away recently. They will be here for Rochdale, and two of them will be at PoTY - come along and say hello. Play-off plans are also being made. One of the guys has a chalet in his garden and this serves as club house and museum. I hope to attend the 2019/2020 season's planning session which will take place on 22 June, two days after the fixtures are published. I was there for the 2017 edition - these guys are brilliant!!
Good stuff - well done them.
i wasnt intending to sound like I was having a pop at them, just didn’t realise they even existed.
Hovever, I do also find it a bit odd that a group with 5 members gets a seat at the table, but fair play to them I guess.
Out of interest , who actually attended and who were they representing?
Who else was invited that didn’t attend?
Were Charlton Life represented / invited? What about Into the Valley and the other forums?
Reading through the minutes the attendees/fan reps were Ben Hayes [Bromley Addicks] Steve Clarke[C.A.S.T] Tony Garrett [C.A.D.S.A] Christine Lawrie [Reminiscence Group] Barnie Razzell [City Addicks] Alan Dryland [German Addicks] & Les Herbert[not sure who or what he was representing], other reps may have attended but were not mentioned in the minutes. More information on the fans forum can be found here. https://www.cafc.co.uk/club/fans/fans-forum
I have absolutely nothing against either the Swedish Addicks or German Addicks being represented but it's a bit bizarre especially in German Addicks case when they only have five members, albeit members who have attended thirteen more matches than I have this season. I'm sure there are Charlton supporting families on here, mine included, with more members but no direct representation. As I said I just find it a bit odd.
Mate, you're going to be furious when you find out about the "Belgian Addicks".
Seen better turned out tramps sleeping on a bench. Unpolished shoes, jacket and trousers don’t match, and how many months he has been wearing those trousers since the last time they were washed and pressed? Slob.
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This isn't down to Steve Gallen, he is the head scout, nor is it down to Bowyer who manages the team. LdT ducks responsibility for this area saying his remit is sale of the club, and I feel it is up to us to point out the mismanagement continues possibly for different reasons, but the man responsible for many decisions in this area comes nowhere near the FF. On one hand things have got better because the strategic management is distance and hands off (non existent), on the other clearly the club is in stasis while it is sold, throwing ambition and the opportunity Bowyer represents out with the bathwater..
I don't think LdT should be given a free ride on this whatsoever, even though the mismanagement has decreased/changed with the departure of Meire, and by some very good fortune in getting Bowyer in - lets face it every managerial appointment bar one when we had a CEO has been on a range of horrific to very 'effing' average.
Under LdTs stewardship short termism is rife. If things don't go well with players not signing new deals (Fosu, Bauer, Aribo, Veto), and a heavy reliance on loans (Cullen, Belick, Purrington) for our first 11 (have I missed any?), and uncertainty around Bowyers deal, could mean in coming months even our League 1 status is in serious jeopardy next year
German Addicks' first match was in May 2003. There are 5 in the group and generally when they're here all of them attend. They have covered 13 matches this season, including Wycombe away recently. They will be here for Rochdale, and two of them will be at PoTY - come along and say hello. Play-off plans are also being made. One of the guys has a chalet in his garden and this serves as club house and museum. I hope to attend the 2019/2020 season's planning session which will take place on 22 June, two days after the fixtures are published. I was there for the 2017 edition - these guys are brilliant!!
and nationalities ;-)
There is much to be regretted in the present estrangement between Owner and fans. When the realisation gradually dawned that we were the wrong club for RD, matters quickly got worse. There is nothing normal about this disconnection. The Owner's departure is eternally imminent, but potential New Owners are apparently content to play a waiting game. We fans cannot escape, we can only be rescued - when will the new investors break this whole thing wide open and get the job done? There was so much goodwill waiting for RD when he took over but he never took advantage of the fact and now it will roll over, with interest, to the new lot. But if not today, when? Next week? By 30 June? Or is this is maybe a race with Crossrail?
There is only one Addicks universe and everything connected with CAFC past, present or future is in it. I can't wait for all fans to be re-enfranchised - it can't come a day too soon. I don't understand a thing of RD's involvement or any conceivable interest he retains in football. Even recently promoted FC Carl Zeiss Jena, whom he publicly used to visit quite often when at his nearby factory, have not referred to him for months as far as I have seen. And if you have something to sell don't you need a salesman? Why use a bookkeeper, pleasant chap though LdT is? RD's almost wilful mismanagement of CAFC is unquestionably in breach of EFL regulations, and a less supine organisation than the League would surely long ago have put our golden share in serious jeopardy. Charlton Athletic are on the brink - of who knows what?
And where do you think he is in error?
I heard this some weeks ago; apparently some mega-rich Arab.
And much good it did her. Short time in Deptford and she turned her toes up.
The debacle over Bowyer's contract merely emphasises his disdain towards the players, football management and supporters of this football club. If he had either a conscience, or just a smidgeon of respect for CAFC, he would be doing his best to convince his paymaster that securing Bowyer's future, along with the futures of Jackson and Gallen, must be finalised before the play-offs are upon us.
Sadly, that seems highly unlikely. As Oliver Hardy would say, 'this is another fine mess you've gotten us in to.'
i wasnt intending to sound like I was having a pop at them, just didn’t realise they even existed.
Hovever, I do also find it a bit odd that a group with 5 members gets a seat at the table, but fair play to them I guess.
Out of interest , who actually attended and who were they representing?
Who else was invited that didn’t attend?
Were Charlton Life represented / invited? What about Into the Valley and the other forums?
In due course, I hope to rise up and penetrate the inner sanctum of the FF before withdrawing quickly, never to be seen again.
Am taking subscriptions if anybody wants to join.
More information on the fans forum can be found here. https://www.cafc.co.uk/club/fans/fans-forum
Yellow shirt matches his teeth though.