I find it interesting (if true) that there have been offers for the club without the land (not that I want them separated, of course.)
To me, one of the big problems associated with Grapevine's idea would be finding someone who wanted to have just the responsibility for the club, to go with a fan led purchase of the land.
Obviously there are still people who think they can see a way to run the club without bankrupting themselves.
I just don't believe what LDT says. Whether he is just the mouthpiece for Duchatelet's propaganda or actually has freedom to manage things how he sees fit, he is lying.
Aussies' deal has always been lock stock and barrel.
But they ain't going to be settling his £70M asking price,so why agree head of terms in the first place...... the dope now seems to think he can get it
I just don't believe what LDT says. Whether he is just the mouthpiece for Duchatelet's propaganda or actually has freedom to manage things how he sees fit, he is lying.
We are fucked. Might as we close this thread doen. This lunatic won't drop his price. How can LDT say that they have turned down bids that involves new owners paying rent is farcial when on CAFC own page by the ownet is trying to sell the club to the EFL and keep the ground and sparrows lane. LDT is being paid to sell thw club. 2yrs down the line we nowhere near a sale.
I find it interesting (if true) that there have been offers for the club without the land (not that I want them separated, of course.)
To me, one of the big problems associated with Grapevine's idea would be finding someone who wanted to have just the responsibility for the club, to go with a fan led purchase of the land.
Obviously there are still people who think they can see a way to run the club without bankrupting themselves.
That’s what Goldberg did when he bought Palace. Noades still owner the ground. look how that turned out!
Aussies' deal has always been lock stock and barrel.
But they ain't going to be settling his £70M asking price,so why agree head of terms in the first place...... the dope now seems to think he can get it
So it’s their fault he’s a lunatic lol
Is it possible he put the price up during negotiations? Because we went on a winning run maybe? I wouldn’t put it past him.
But maybe the Aussies did decide to lower their offer after a verbal agreement had been made. They were within their rights to do so if circumstances changed, or if something cropped up that they didn’t like. If he doesn’t like it he can always tell them to do one.
I’m still blaming Roland, rather than the Aussies, or any other buyer for that matter.
Fun house selling analogy: You try to sell your house valued at £1.5m for £2m, because you bought it for £1m, but spent £1m doing it up. Someone says great, and gets a survey done. The survey points out a few problems caused by the work you had done, and reveals the house isn’t worth £2m. It’s worth 1.5m They offer £1.5. You turn the offer down. You wait for another £2m offer to come along. It doesn’t. Your original buyer still wants to buy your house, but isn’t homeless, so can wait. And you want to impress the neighbours by getting a higher price that they thought you would, after you had all the stone cladding installed.
LDT is a fucking liar and so is his boss, I have no doubt about that. We are doomed to monthly and sometimes weekly forums, which are a complete and utter waste of time. I don't understand why we are still trying to engage with them when they have proved to be so disingenuous.
Aussies' deal has always been lock stock and barrel.
But they ain't going to be settling his £70M asking price,so why agree head of terms in the first place...... the dope now seems to think he can get it
So it’s their fault he’s a lunatic lol
Is it possible he put the price up during negotiations? Because we went on a winning run maybe? I wouldn’t put it past him.
But maybe the Aussies did decide to lower their offer after a verbal agreement had been made. They were within their rights to do so if circumstances changed, or if something cropped up that they didn’t like. If he doesn’t like it he can always tell them to do one.
I’m still blaming Roland, rather than the Aussies, or any other buyer for that matter.
Fun house selling analogy: You try to sell your house valued at £1.5m for £2m, because you bought it for £1m, but spent £1m doing it up. Someone says great, and gets a survey done. The survey points out a few problems caused by the work you had done, and reveals the house isn’t worth £2m. It’s worth 1.5m They offer £1.5. You turn the offer down. You wait for another £2m offer to come along. It doesn’t. Your original buyer still wants to buy your house, but isn’t homeless, so can wait. And you want to impress the neighbours by getting a higher price that they thought you would, after you had all the stone cladding installed.
Not said it's their fault he's a Lunatic? And "blame" is too strong a word...... maybe "reason" is more appropriate. I don't believe he put the price up though and if he did I'm sure they are within their rights to call him out NDA or not. RD has been quoted on a few occasions of stating the deal that he will settle on had been agreed and then the head of terms agreed on that? So it "appears" that your "but maybe the Aussies did decide to...." would be the more likely scenario...... in which case my point about him believing he can get what he wanted stands, on the original agreement..... and if the Aussies had agreed an unrealistic price originally, then that is somewhere a lunatic may be sitting. I agree that the price should have reduced once Roly started to "cash in" his assets, but that would have been the time to call him out if he is the problem.... not keep hanging around like a bad smell, expecting a change and saying nothing aka RM.
Probably everything they’ve spent on legal and financial advice! They’d be in breach of their NDA
well they could leak it to our James
That stopped when Keith Harris came along, although I did get a little message last Saturday. I’d be slaughtered by you lot if I posted it. It’s just not worth it, and it doesn’t take us anywhere new. But clearly Roland doesn’t consider Aussies to be foreigners.
Btw @AFKABartram was right when he said if you repeat something often enough people start believing it (or words to that effect) - hence this Millwall bootboy is trying keep his head down.
Aussies' deal has always been lock stock and barrel.
But they ain't going to be settling his £70M asking price,so why agree head of terms in the first place...... the dope now seems to think he can get it
So it’s their fault he’s a lunatic lol
Is it possible he put the price up during negotiations? Because we went on a winning run maybe? I wouldn’t put it past him.
But maybe the Aussies did decide to lower their offer after a verbal agreement had been made. They were within their rights to do so if circumstances changed, or if something cropped up that they didn’t like. If he doesn’t like it he can always tell them to do one.
I’m still blaming Roland, rather than the Aussies, or any other buyer for that matter.
Fun house selling analogy: You try to sell your house valued at £1.5m for £2m, because you bought it for £1m, but spent £1m doing it up. Someone says great, and gets a survey done. The survey points out a few problems caused by the work you had done, and reveals the house isn’t worth £2m. It’s worth 1.5m They offer £1.5. You turn the offer down. You wait for another £2m offer to come along. It doesn’t. Your original buyer still wants to buy your house, but isn’t homeless, so can wait. And you want to impress the neighbours by getting a higher price that they thought you would, after you had all the stone cladding installed.
Not said it's their fault he's a Lunatic? And "blame" is too strong a word...... maybe "reason" is more appropriate. I don't believe he put the price up though and if he did I'm sure they are within their rights to call him out NDA or not. RD has been quoted on a few occasions of stating the deal that he will settle on had been agreed and then the head of terms agreed on that? So it "appears" that your "but maybe the Aussies did decide to...." would be the more likely scenario...... in which case my point about him believing he can get what he wanted stands, on the original agreement..... and if the Aussies had agreed an unrealistic price originally, then that is somewhere a lunatic may be sitting. I agree that the price should have reduced once Roly started to "cash in" his assets, but that would have been the time to call him out if he is the problem.... not keep hanging around like a bad smell, expecting a change and saying nothing aka RM.
I agree with very little of that. You’re cutting Roland way too much slack, and you’re way off the mark imho.
What have the aussies got to lose by giving out an update of where they stand!!!
My guess is they're waiting for Roland to drop his asking price. LDT said Roland won't drop the price, so nothing has changed from the Aussies point of view.
Probably everything they’ve spent on legal and financial advice! They’d be in breach of their NDA
well they could leak it to our James
That stopped when Keith Harris came along, although I did get a little message last Saturday. I’d be slaughtered by you lot if I posted it. It’s just not worth it, and it doesn’t take us anywhere new. But clearly Roland doesn’t consider Aussies to be foreigners.
Btw @AFKABartram was right when he said if you repeat something often enough people start believing it (or words to that effect) - hence this Millwall bootboy is trying keep his head down.
What have the aussies got to lose by giving out an update of where they stand!!!
This. They don't need to go into the financial details. Just a snap shot of how negotiations have been conducted.
Roland has made no secret that the Aussies have been at the table. Has he not broken it already?
Not by saying they’re at the table.
Basically the Aussies don’t have much to gain from breaking their NDA, and everything to lose. The tiny bits of info I heard and passed on went down like a lead balloon anyway. I think Harris said ‘no more’, and that was that. It’s frustrating for everyone though I know.
Apologies if this has already been covered but it seems to me that the Aussies agreed a price. They now realise that the agreed price wasn't agreeable to others in their party.
This now means they don't have an agreed price.
If Douchbag doesn't want to reduce his price because he thinks he's going to get it when the Aussies find enough poor sods to agree to it then the Aussies are effectively out. They wont proceed at the price Douchbag wants and Douchbag won't reduce to their price.
If this is the case then why don't the Aussies tell the whole world "we're out"?
At least then there's no one else who has agreed to Douchbags ridiculous price and he will have to reduce in order to sell.
The bottom line is he has to reduce the price if he wants to sell the club. The Aussies aren’t trying to raise extra funds to meet his asking price in case anyone thinks that. I’m not ‘toeing the party line’ on this one, I know.
Apologies if this has already been covered but it seems to me that the Aussies agreed a price. They now realise that the agreed price wasn't agreeable to others in their party.
This now means they don't have an agreed price.
If Douchbag doesn't want to reduce his price because he thinks he's going to get it when the Aussies find enough poor sods to agree to it then the Aussies are effectively out. They wont proceed at the price Douchbag wants and Douchbag won't reduce to their price.
If this is the case then why don't the Aussies tell the whole world "we're out"?
At least then there's no one else who has agreed to Douchbags ridiculous price and he will have to reduce in order to sell.
The real question is, why doesn't RD go back to The previous bidders that The aussies outbid?
I find it interesting (if true) that there have been offers for the club without the land (not that I want them separated, of course.)
To me, one of the big problems associated with Grapevine's idea would be finding someone who wanted to have just the responsibility for the club, to go with a fan led purchase of the land.
Obviously there are still people who think they can see a way to run the club without bankrupting themselves.
So why then, if RD only wants to sell everything, has he only demanded the EFL take the club and rent the ground? Even though it's a non starter idea, I guess this would be an exception? Or is it also more proof they are just making this crap up as they go along, constantly contradicting themselves in the process....
The bottom line is he has to reduce the price if he wants to sell the club. The Aussies aren’t trying to raise extra funds to meet his asking price in case anyone thinks that. I’m not ‘toeing the party line’ on this one, I know.
Not to shoot the messenger but what are they waiting for in that case?
The bottom line is he has to reduce the price if he wants to sell the club. The Aussies aren’t trying to raise extra funds to meet his asking price in case anyone thinks that. I’m not ‘toeing the party line’ on this one, I know.
Not to shoot the messenger but what are they waiting for in that case?
For him to see sense and lower the price.
What I don't get is why LDT was so confident that a deal was done and Jim White was saying he's gone?
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I find it interesting (if true) that there have been offers for the club without the land (not that I want them separated, of course.)
To me, one of the big problems associated with Grapevine's idea would be finding someone who wanted to have just the responsibility for the club, to go with a fan led purchase of the land.
Obviously there are still people who think they can see a way to run the club without bankrupting themselves.
Is it possible he put the price up during negotiations? Because we went on a winning run maybe? I wouldn’t put it past him.
But maybe the Aussies did decide to lower their offer after a verbal agreement had been made. They were within their rights to do so if circumstances changed, or if something cropped up that they didn’t like. If he doesn’t like it he can always tell them to do one.
I’m still blaming Roland, rather than the Aussies, or any other buyer for that matter.
Fun house selling analogy:
You try to sell your house valued at £1.5m for £2m, because you bought it for £1m, but spent £1m doing it up. Someone says great, and gets a survey done. The survey points out a few problems caused by the work you had done, and reveals the house isn’t worth £2m. It’s worth 1.5m
They offer £1.5. You turn the offer down.
You wait for another £2m offer to come along. It doesn’t. Your original buyer still wants to buy your house, but isn’t homeless, so can wait.
And you want to impress the neighbours by getting a higher price that they thought you would, after you had all the stone cladding installed.
We are doomed to monthly and sometimes weekly forums, which are a complete and utter waste of time. I don't understand why we are still trying to engage with them when they have proved to be so disingenuous.
Roland has made no secret that the Aussies have been at the table. Has he not broken it already?
I don't believe he put the price up though and if he did I'm sure they are within their rights to call him out NDA or not.
RD has been quoted on a few occasions of stating the deal that he will settle on had been agreed and then the head of terms agreed on that?
So it "appears" that your "but maybe the Aussies did decide to...." would be the more likely scenario...... in which case my point about him believing he can get what he wanted stands, on the original agreement..... and if the Aussies had agreed an unrealistic price originally, then that is somewhere a lunatic may be sitting.
I agree that the price should have reduced once Roly started to "cash in" his assets, but that would have been the time to call him out if he is the problem.... not keep hanging around like a bad smell, expecting a change and saying nothing aka RM.
Btw @AFKABartram was right when he said if you repeat something often enough people start believing it (or words to that effect) - hence this Millwall bootboy is trying keep his head down.
Basically the Aussies don’t have much to gain from breaking their NDA, and everything to lose.
The tiny bits of info I heard and passed on went down like a lead balloon anyway. I think Harris said ‘no more’, and that was that.
It’s frustrating for everyone though I know.
This now means they don't have an agreed price.
If Douchbag doesn't want to reduce his price because he thinks he's going to get it when the Aussies find enough poor sods to agree to it then the Aussies are effectively out. They wont proceed at the price Douchbag wants and Douchbag won't reduce to their price.
If this is the case then why don't the Aussies tell the whole world "we're out"?
At least then there's no one else who has agreed to Douchbags ridiculous price and he will have to reduce in order to sell.
The Aussies aren’t trying to raise extra funds to meet his asking price in case anyone thinks that.
I’m not ‘toeing the party line’ on this one, I know.
Any ideas @Redhenry
What I don't get is why LDT was so confident that a deal was done and Jim White was saying he's gone?
What changed?