Just look at the quantity of those Forest comments and the amount of absolutely unabated vitriol. Not to mention the heartfelt comments from those who really, genuinely fear for us.
Just the same as Liege with Roland, yet we were so desperate in 2014 that a tonne of us were just "Yeah, but..." and scratched around for a positive spin that ultimately never existed. I see we're already doing that again, ignoring the mountains of evidence right in front of our eyes. Did we learn anything?
I hope I'm wrong, and that if he comes in he appoints Varney and Paul Elliot to manage the club while he pumps in the cash, hands-off from Kuwait. But the evidence suggests otherwise and I'm surprised people are already doing the blinkered optimism thing of 2014. Forest fans are a sensible lot.
Just look at the quantity of those Forest comments and the amount of absolutely unabated vitriol. Not to mention the heartfelt comments from those who really, genuinely fear for us.
Just the same as Liege with Roland, yet we were so desperate in 2014 that a tonne of us were just "Yeah, but..." and scratched around for a positive spin that ultimately never existed. I see we're already doing that again, ignoring the mountains of evidence right in front of our eyes. Did we learn anything?
I hope I'm wrong, and that if he comes in he appoints Varney and Paul Elliot to manage the club while he pumps in the cash, hands-off from Kuwait. But the evidence suggests otherwise and I'm surprised people are already doing the blinkered optimism thing of 2014. Forest fans are a sensible lot.
Just because Roland turned out the way he didn’t doesn’t mean that being initially cautious was the wrong approach back then and for me, the same applies now.
I see the similarities too and it could be another long and bumpy ride on the horizon but I’m willing to give him a chance to see what lessons have been learned.
Just look at the quantity of those Forest comments and the amount of absolutely unabated vitriol. Not to mention the heartfelt comments from those who really, genuinely fear for us.
Just the same as Liege with Roland, yet we were so desperate in 2014 that a tonne of us were just "Yeah, but..." and scratched around for a positive spin that ultimately never existed. I see we're already doing that again, ignoring the mountains of evidence right in front of our eyes. Did we learn anything?
I hope I'm wrong, and that if he comes in he appoints Varney and Paul Elliot to manage the club while he pumps in the cash, hands-off from Kuwait. But the evidence suggests otherwise and I'm surprised people are already doing the blinkered optimism thing of 2014. Forest fans are a sensible lot.
I don't think anyone here is showing blinkered optimism. I think the consideration isn't whether he's the owner we want, but whether he would be better or worse than Roland.
To be honest those things sound less bad than what Roland's done to us. NOTHING compares to Karel Fraeye for instance, or the bizarre network signings.
I'm afraid that it's not just a question of how Fawaz shapes up head-to-head with RD, but more the cumulative damage done by a whole succession of flawed owners.
The next one really does need to be a good 'un. It's highly regrettable that RD is the one who will get to make the choice.
I'm remaining open minded. It can't be as bad as the last four years, can it? If he invests in the team and listens to, and acts upon, what the customers have to say, it might not be such a bad thing ... MIGHT Success on the pitch is key to getting the floaters back through the door, IMO
The funny thing about all of these tweets is none of them know what life with Roland has been like.
What were NFFC's league table finishes with him in charge? Any relegations?
Did he stop supplying the youth team with Food and Water?
Did he sell any sign of academy talent at the first opportunity?
I think this is very much a case of "we have been warned". I'm not saying he'll be a disaster and the guy may well have learnt his lesson from his time at Forest, but the warning signs are there. Loads of undeclared bills, no CEO, FCO, scout network etc. Paying people late, interfering in team selection, jobs at the club for his mates.
Even if, as you rightly say, they didn't get relegated, you surely have to admit that it's not exactly a ringing endorsement.
So for the most part: sacking managers too quickly and selling players from under the manager’s nose?
The Warnock story sounds very much like our interaction with Wilder a couple of years ago.
Didn't he also force a Kuwaiti keeper into the team? He's another Roland, no thanks. If the EFL have got anything about them they'll keep this bloke out of football.
So for the most part: sacking managers too quickly and selling players from under the manager’s nose?
The Warnock story sounds very much like our interaction with Wilder a couple of years ago.
Didn't he also force a Kuwaiti keeper into the team? He's another Roland, no thanks. If the EFL have got anything about them they'll keep this bloke out of football.
When we bring a player in I tend to check the views of the fans of the club he departed.
Generally speaking that will be the most accurate and honest assessment you'll get, much better than you'll get from any management team with their vested interest and much, much better than any self recommendation that that player may delude to. For that reason I accept the Forest fans view. I do not want this character anywhere near our club.
So for the most part: sacking managers too quickly and selling players from under the manager’s nose?
The Warnock story sounds very much like our interaction with Wilder a couple of years ago.
Didn't he also force a Kuwaiti keeper into the team? He's another Roland, no thanks. If the EFL have got anything about them they'll keep this bloke out of football.
No offence to those putting positive spin on this, I watched the documentary posted on here last night and I can assure you that it wasn’t towards the end of his reign that it went pair shaped. They barely spent money on the team, they sacked 4 managers in the first year, gutted out pretty much all of the tenured backgroom staff within 6 months (not that we have much left) and loaded them with 100Mill of debt.
We should fight this takeover as much as possible.
From my pal who knows is a Forest fan: I seriously hope the Fawaz/Charlton rumours aren’t true...if he is interested and the FL let it happen then I might give up on football 🙈
Seems that the rumours about multiple bids for the Club aren't far off the mark.
Another potential purchaser was also being shown around the Club yesterday. Pictured below is another possible owner being shown round Sparrows Lane by Leiven De Turck (second left).
I can't find the post but I thought I read that the photo of Fawaz looking out over the Valley from the centre circle hospitality suite was taken on Monday with De Truck man in the background? Doesn't mean to say it wasn't him but the latter only works Tuesdsys to Thursdays. WIOTOS
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Just the same as Liege with Roland, yet we were so desperate in 2014 that a tonne of us were just "Yeah, but..." and scratched around for a positive spin that ultimately never existed. I see we're already doing that again, ignoring the mountains of evidence right in front of our eyes. Did we learn anything?
I hope I'm wrong, and that if he comes in he appoints Varney and Paul Elliot to manage the club while he pumps in the cash, hands-off from Kuwait. But the evidence suggests otherwise and I'm surprised people are already doing the blinkered optimism thing of 2014. Forest fans are a sensible lot.
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I see the similarities too and it could be another long and bumpy ride on the horizon but I’m willing to give him a chance to see what lessons have been learned.
this is very bad news; Roland/Hasawi ;flip a coin?
I'm afraid that it's not just a question of how Fawaz shapes up head-to-head with RD, but more the cumulative damage done by a whole succession of flawed owners.
The next one really does need to be a good 'un. It's highly regrettable that RD is the one who will get to make the choice.
For feck sake.
We're fecking doomed.
I am not wasting one second if he is the owner. Life is just too short.
Whilst a leopard doesn't change its spots, this is a human being. One big enough to admit he made mistakes at Nottingham Forest.
One willing to admit he understands he should leave the footballing decisions to a CEO that knows football.
One willing to accept that his role as owner is to listen to the manager and CEO about what the manager thinks is needed.
One willing to fund the club.
One. Not a consortium who'd have to vote on every decision.
One that doesn't own a string of clubs and have split interests.
One that doesn't have a track record to sell young talent.
One that doesn't have a track record of bringing in poor foreign players who cannot adjust to the English leagues.
One that off his own back, picked Managers and Players that had experienced the English leagues.
I think this one, deserves one chance.
What were NFFC's league table finishes with him in charge? Any relegations?
Did he stop supplying the youth team with Food and Water?
Did he sell any sign of academy talent at the first opportunity?
Beyond that and them being mega wealthy and willing to spend, oh and not related to Roland either genetically or in a business sense.
I have no other requirements.
Even if, as you rightly say, they didn't get relegated, you surely have to admit that it's not exactly a ringing endorsement.
Is that a Nottingham punk band?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaled_Al-Rashidi
Generally speaking that will be the most accurate and honest assessment you'll get, much better than you'll get from any management team with their vested interest and much, much better than any self recommendation that that player may delude to. For that reason I accept the Forest fans view. I do not want this character anywhere near our club.
We should fight this takeover as much as possible.
I seriously hope the Fawaz/Charlton rumours aren’t true...if he is interested and the FL let it happen then I might give up on football 🙈
Be interesting to see and research how true that all is.
Another potential purchaser was also being shown around the Club yesterday. Pictured below is another possible owner being shown round Sparrows Lane by Leiven De Turck (second left).