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The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)

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  • shirty5 said:

    Scoham said:

    The Aussies are getting off lightly with regard to the take-over shambles. They haven't covered them selves in glory.

    What can we critisize them for without knowing the details? Buying scarfs?
    Once the Aussies turned up in the Directors Box, 86 days ago wearing scarfs it was only natural that supporters would assume that the deal was virtually done (+ the statements from the club)

    The fact the season has now started and we have still not been sold it's only inevitable people are fed up with the situation. No one is blaming the Aussies but when they turn up like that people will get annoyed and frustrated when no deal has gone through.
    They possibly thought the deal was virtually done as well.
  • Scoham said:

    shirty5 said:

    Scoham said:

    The Aussies are getting off lightly with regard to the take-over shambles. They haven't covered them selves in glory.

    What can we critisize them for without knowing the details? Buying scarfs?
    Once the Aussies turned up in the Directors Box, 86 days ago wearing scarfs it was only natural that supporters would assume that the deal was virtually done (+ the statements from the club)

    The fact the season has now started and we have still not been sold it's only inevitable people are fed up with the situation. No one is blaming the Aussies but when they turn up like that people will get annoyed and frustrated when no deal has gone through.
    They possibly thought the deal was virtually done as well.
    Schoolboy error
  • CAFCDAZ said:

    I think your right and at the same time he will sell anything and anyone that has value to fund the day to day losses

    Asset stripping is not asset stripping if it’s covering running costs

    It feels like it is to us as fans but he is running it as a business and the sales are cash flow

    It sucks but I don’t see anything to fault in your post

    asset stripping is asset stripping. if i told you i had a ferrari for 100k then decided to take all of the interior ans engine out before you turn up to buy, how can i ask for the same money if its basically a lump of metal with a flash horse badge?
    We know how much his monthly losses are all he is doing is selling to cover the running costs it’s not asset stripping
    No it's madness
  • CAFCDAZ said:

    I think your right and at the same time he will sell anything and anyone that has value to fund the day to day losses

    Asset stripping is not asset stripping if it’s covering running costs

    It feels like it is to us as fans but he is running it as a business and the sales are cash flow

    It sucks but I don’t see anything to fault in your post

    asset stripping is asset stripping. if i told you i had a ferrari for 100k then decided to take all of the interior ans engine out before you turn up to buy, how can i ask for the same money if its basically a lump of metal with a flash horse badge?
    We know how much his monthly losses are all he is doing is selling to cover the running costs it’s not asset stripping
    He could have reduced his running costs by selling at a reasonable price months ago. Now he is still running at a loss with a rapidly depreciating commodity
    And this is where it is both baffling and worrying.

    Baffling as surely Dushitelet does not want to lose the increasing millions he seemingly is.

    Worrying that he seems to be able to afford to lose this money.

    Sad times.
  • Scoham said:

    CAFCDAZ said:

    I think your right and at the same time he will sell anything and anyone that has value to fund the day to day losses

    Asset stripping is not asset stripping if it’s covering running costs

    It feels like it is to us as fans but he is running it as a business and the sales are cash flow

    It sucks but I don’t see anything to fault in your post

    asset stripping is asset stripping. if i told you i had a ferrari for 100k then decided to take all of the interior ans engine out before you turn up to buy, how can i ask for the same money if its basically a lump of metal with a flash horse badge?
    We know how much his monthly losses are all he is doing is selling to cover the running costs it’s not asset stripping
    He could have reduced his running costs by selling at a reasonable price months ago. Now he is still running at a loss with a rapidly depreciating commodity
    And this is where it is both baffling and worrying.

    Baffling as surely Dushitelet does not want to lose the increasing millions he seemingly is.

    Worrying that he seems to be able to afford to lose this money.

    Sad times.
    That’s always been the biggest fear I had he is rich enough to say screw you I don’t care

    Like was said yesterday sell the club for 10 mil less or lose 10 mil over the season what’s the difference to him
    If he waits another year couldn’t he end up losing £10m on running the club AND sell for £10m less?

    Yep he could but he doesn’t seem to give two shits about that does he
  • shirty5 said:

    Scoham said:

    The Aussies are getting off lightly with regard to the take-over shambles. They haven't covered them selves in glory.

    What can we critisize them for without knowing the details? Buying scarfs?
    Once the Aussies turned up in the Directors Box, 86 days ago wearing scarfs it was only natural that supporters would assume that the deal was virtually done (+ the statements from the club)

    The fact the season has now started and we have still not been sold it's only inevitable people are fed up with the situation. No one is blaming the Aussies but when they turn up like that people will get annoyed and frustrated when no deal has gone through.
    It was intentioned, but I agree.
  • edited August 2018
    Scoham said:

    CAFCDAZ said:

    I think your right and at the same time he will sell anything and anyone that has value to fund the day to day losses

    Asset stripping is not asset stripping if it’s covering running costs

    It feels like it is to us as fans but he is running it as a business and the sales are cash flow

    It sucks but I don’t see anything to fault in your post

    asset stripping is asset stripping. if i told you i had a ferrari for 100k then decided to take all of the interior ans engine out before you turn up to buy, how can i ask for the same money if its basically a lump of metal with a flash horse badge?
    We know how much his monthly losses are all he is doing is selling to cover the running costs it’s not asset stripping
    He could have reduced his running costs by selling at a reasonable price months ago. Now he is still running at a loss with a rapidly depreciating commodity
    And this is where it is both baffling and worrying.

    Baffling as surely Dushitelet does not want to lose the increasing millions he seemingly is.

    Worrying that he seems to be able to afford to lose this money.

    Sad times.
    That’s always been the biggest fear I had he is rich enough to say screw you I don’t care

    Like was said yesterday sell the club for 10 mil less or lose 10 mil over the season what’s the difference to him
    If he waits another year couldn’t he end up losing £10m on running the club AND sell for £10m less?
    Yes he could and it's a very risky game of poker he is playing. Of course I accept he can afford to lose the lot but I don't think he will. He ain't gonna get £50m and I doubt £40m so he'll have to fold eventually. Meanwhile the suffering goes on but if he continues to raise the club to the ground his haircut will soon become a crew cut and he won't want that remember this is a man who doesn't do failure.
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  • Scoham said:

    CAFCDAZ said:

    I think your right and at the same time he will sell anything and anyone that has value to fund the day to day losses

    Asset stripping is not asset stripping if it’s covering running costs

    It feels like it is to us as fans but he is running it as a business and the sales are cash flow

    It sucks but I don’t see anything to fault in your post

    asset stripping is asset stripping. if i told you i had a ferrari for 100k then decided to take all of the interior ans engine out before you turn up to buy, how can i ask for the same money if its basically a lump of metal with a flash horse badge?
    We know how much his monthly losses are all he is doing is selling to cover the running costs it’s not asset stripping
    He could have reduced his running costs by selling at a reasonable price months ago. Now he is still running at a loss with a rapidly depreciating commodity
    And this is where it is both baffling and worrying.

    Baffling as surely Dushitelet does not want to lose the increasing millions he seemingly is.

    Worrying that he seems to be able to afford to lose this money.

    Sad times.
    That’s always been the biggest fear I had he is rich enough to say screw you I don’t care

    Like was said yesterday sell the club for 10 mil less or lose 10 mil over the season what’s the difference to him
    If he waits another year couldn’t he end up losing £10m on running the club AND sell for £10m less?

    Yep he could but he doesn’t seem to give two shits about that does he
    Views it as getting his own back on supporters who dared to stand up to his genius.

    He can never admit defeat or that he fucked up. It just goes against his psyche.

    He will stay until he can say that he did not lose .. which probably means someone will have to pay over the odds to oust him.
  • Scoham said:

    CAFCDAZ said:

    I think your right and at the same time he will sell anything and anyone that has value to fund the day to day losses

    Asset stripping is not asset stripping if it’s covering running costs

    It feels like it is to us as fans but he is running it as a business and the sales are cash flow

    It sucks but I don’t see anything to fault in your post

    asset stripping is asset stripping. if i told you i had a ferrari for 100k then decided to take all of the interior ans engine out before you turn up to buy, how can i ask for the same money if its basically a lump of metal with a flash horse badge?
    We know how much his monthly losses are all he is doing is selling to cover the running costs it’s not asset stripping
    He could have reduced his running costs by selling at a reasonable price months ago. Now he is still running at a loss with a rapidly depreciating commodity
    And this is where it is both baffling and worrying.

    Baffling as surely Dushitelet does not want to lose the increasing millions he seemingly is.

    Worrying that he seems to be able to afford to lose this money.

    Sad times.
    That’s always been the biggest fear I had he is rich enough to say screw you I don’t care

    Like was said yesterday sell the club for 10 mil less or lose 10 mil over the season what’s the difference to him
    If he waits another year couldn’t he end up losing £10m on running the club AND sell for £10m less?
    He'll lose even more if we're in league two
  • JamesSeed said:

    shirty5 said:

    Scoham said:

    The Aussies are getting off lightly with regard to the take-over shambles. They haven't covered them selves in glory.

    What can we critisize them for without knowing the details? Buying scarfs?
    Once the Aussies turned up in the Directors Box, 86 days ago wearing scarfs it was only natural that supporters would assume that the deal was virtually done (+ the statements from the club)

    The fact the season has now started and we have still not been sold it's only inevitable people are fed up with the situation. No one is blaming the Aussies but when they turn up like that people will get annoyed and frustrated when no deal has gone through.
    It was intentioned, but I agree.
    I’m sure it was not intentioned, but it’s made them look weak ... not good in the circumstances.
  • Scoham said:

    The Aussies are getting off lightly with regard to the take-over shambles. They haven't covered them selves in glory.

    What can we critisize them for without knowing the details? Buying scarfs?
    Scoham said:

    The Aussies are getting off lightly with regard to the take-over shambles. They haven't covered them selves in glory.

    What can we critisize them for without knowing the details? Buying scarfs?
    They were supposed to be buying the club. They've messed up.
  • It’s like my crypto currency investments. I know I’m doing my arse, I’m bored with it and i’m only going to lose more money by not selling but I’m hanging on in there as I refuse to sell until I get my investment back. The difference is I need the money, duchbag don’t!
  • DOUCHER said:

    One of these days u will realise if u had all listened to me from the off u would have saved yourselves a lot of unnecessary sweating and getting worked up about imminent takeover dates - once the division next season is known!!! - even sky have fallen into line with me now

    DOUCHER said:

    Didn't know about the article 3 thing, just posted what I know - rd will not b our owner next season - that is all - oh and if somebody could ask canters what he thinks I've changed my stance on that woouls be great - don't want to set him back after the progress he seems to be making by conversing direct

    A takeover? I've posted all I know - rd will not be our owner next season - I don't do cryptic, that's for the others

    Just for clarification, Doucher, can you confirm which season you're referring to?

    I mean we are pretty certain which division we will be in *this* season. It's the division we are currently propping up. But, as you have said that RD will not be our owner next season - and we know you don't "do cryptic" - can you confirm you mean next season?
  • Off_it said:

    Fuck me, is this what it's come to - people arguing about whether the old fucker is asset stripping or not?

    The font of all knowledge that is Wikipedia (I know) says this:

    Asset stripping is a term used to refer to the practice of selling off a company's assets in order to improve returns for equity investors. With a lower level of assets, it is maintained, the business is rendered financially less stable or viable.

    Certainly sounds like it to me. Reducing liabilities = improving returns for equity investors, and we only have one of those.

    But either way, it matters not. There is quite clearly only one person to blame for the current 4+ year shitfest we are enduring and to suggest there is even a morsel of blame falling elsewhere, quite frankly, comes across as pie in the sky heatwave induced jibbering bollocks.

    I don’t think anyone anywhere has suggested there is anyone to blame than RD for all of this

    If it turns out that the Aussies made false bids in order to secure the club without having the funds in place that imo is nothing to do with the situation we have with RD but is well worthy of discussion debate and criticism
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  • Off_it said:

    Fuck me, is this what it's come to - people arguing about whether the old fucker is asset stripping or not?

    The font of all knowledge that is Wikipedia (I know) says this:

    Asset stripping is a term used to refer to the practice of selling off a company's assets in order to improve returns for equity investors. With a lower level of assets, it is maintained, the business is rendered financially less stable or viable.

    Certainly sounds like it to me. Reducing liabilities = improving returns for equity investors, and we only have one of those.

    But either way, it matters not. There is quite clearly only one person to blame for the current 4+ year shitfest we are enduring and to suggest there is even a morsel of blame falling elsewhere, quite frankly, comes across as pie in the sky heatwave induced jibbering bollocks.

    I don’t think anyone anywhere has suggested there is anyone to blame than RD for all of this

    Oh really?

    I honestly can't be bothered to go back and find the posts, so let's just agree I must've imagined all the mudslinging in all directions then.

    Carry on.
  • It’s like my crypto currency investments. I know I’m doing my arse, I’m bored with it and i’m only going to lose more money by not selling but I’m hanging on in there as I refuse to sell until I get my investment back. The difference is I need the money, duchbag don’t!

    but there comes a time when you either sell at a loss & recoup something or accept that you've lost it all & walk away.

    As it stands, RD is losing money as every month passes, and the longer he leaves it his "commodity" is worth less & less. We sure ain't worth £40m now as the season starts (injured players/no investment in new players /no young talent to sell), will be worth less in a weeks time when the transfer window ends ( new owner can't invest for 4 months) and will be worth a lot less in League 2.

    As it stands the Aussies are also losing money as they now need to spend more than they would have had to do 3 months ago to make us competitive as players have been sold & other now injured (yes, players might have got injured under their watch, but we will never know & we do know 100% now that JFC needs replacing).

    shit for brains the lot of them.
  • CAFCDAZ said:

    I think your right and at the same time he will sell anything and anyone that has value to fund the day to day losses

    Asset stripping is not asset stripping if it’s covering running costs

    It feels like it is to us as fans but he is running it as a business and the sales are cash flow

    It sucks but I don’t see anything to fault in your post

    asset stripping is asset stripping. if i told you i had a ferrari for 100k then decided to take all of the interior ans engine out before you turn up to buy, how can i ask for the same money if its basically a lump of metal with a flash horse badge?
    We know how much his monthly losses are all he is doing is selling to cover the running costs it’s not asset stripping
    He is the owner, it's his responsibility to cover the monthly losses. The fact is, if he removes saleable assets from the club, he cannot expect to receive the same price for the business as he expected a few months prior to removing those assets. Part of the valuation of a business is based on it's assets. If those assets are removed/sold, then the value decreases.

    Scoham said:

    CAFCDAZ said:

    I think your right and at the same time he will sell anything and anyone that has value to fund the day to day losses

    Asset stripping is not asset stripping if it’s covering running costs

    It feels like it is to us as fans but he is running it as a business and the sales are cash flow

    It sucks but I don’t see anything to fault in your post

    asset stripping is asset stripping. if i told you i had a ferrari for 100k then decided to take all of the interior ans engine out before you turn up to buy, how can i ask for the same money if its basically a lump of metal with a flash horse badge?
    We know how much his monthly losses are all he is doing is selling to cover the running costs it’s not asset stripping
    He could have reduced his running costs by selling at a reasonable price months ago. Now he is still running at a loss with a rapidly depreciating commodity
    And this is where it is both baffling and worrying.

    Baffling as surely Dushitelet does not want to lose the increasing millions he seemingly is.

    Worrying that he seems to be able to afford to lose this money.

    Sad times.
    That’s always been the biggest fear I had he is rich enough to say screw you I don’t care

    Like was said yesterday sell the club for 10 mil less or lose 10 mil over the season what’s the difference to him
    If he waits another year couldn’t he end up losing £10m on running the club AND sell for £10m less?

    Yep he could but he doesn’t seem to give two shits about that does he
    And this is what doesn't make sense. If he had sold in January for a few million less than he wanted he would not have needed to cover the losses for the past 6-7 months. If the £1m a month figure is anywhere near accurate he could have taken £5m off the asking price and still been in pocket compared to now.

    He stands to lose even more money the longer this goes on. Duchatelet is not a stupid man, but why does he constantly seem to give the impression he is.
  • Roland Duchatelet is to blame for our plight

    When it’s confirmed it’s all off then the Aussies will be accountable for assisting in the death toll

    They cost us the Saudi bid that would’ve been extremely beneficial

    RD was never going to accept a bid that was less money just because it would be good for cafc

    He would not accept a lower occdr because of future CAFC benefit but should maybe have done for his own benefit. People accept second best bids many times in business for the certainty the buyer offers. If the Aussies fail to complete it will be another shit decision by RD to back the wrong horse

  • Scoham said:

    CAFCDAZ said:

    I think your right and at the same time he will sell anything and anyone that has value to fund the day to day losses

    Asset stripping is not asset stripping if it’s covering running costs

    It feels like it is to us as fans but he is running it as a business and the sales are cash flow

    It sucks but I don’t see anything to fault in your post

    asset stripping is asset stripping. if i told you i had a ferrari for 100k then decided to take all of the interior ans engine out before you turn up to buy, how can i ask for the same money if its basically a lump of metal with a flash horse badge?
    We know how much his monthly losses are all he is doing is selling to cover the running costs it’s not asset stripping
    He could have reduced his running costs by selling at a reasonable price months ago. Now he is still running at a loss with a rapidly depreciating commodity
    And this is where it is both baffling and worrying.

    Baffling as surely Dushitelet does not want to lose the increasing millions he seemingly is.

    Worrying that he seems to be able to afford to lose this money.

    Sad times.
    That’s always been the biggest fear I had he is rich enough to say screw you I don’t care

    Like was said yesterday sell the club for 10 mil less or lose 10 mil over the season what’s the difference to him
    If he waits another year couldn’t he end up losing £10m on running the club AND sell for £10m less?

    Yep he could but he doesn’t seem to give two shits about that does he
    I don't think that's true for a moment.

    Rich men get rich by being careful with their money. And Rich men don't like losing money.

  • Scoham said:

    CAFCDAZ said:

    I think your right and at the same time he will sell anything and anyone that has value to fund the day to day losses

    Asset stripping is not asset stripping if it’s covering running costs

    It feels like it is to us as fans but he is running it as a business and the sales are cash flow

    It sucks but I don’t see anything to fault in your post

    asset stripping is asset stripping. if i told you i had a ferrari for 100k then decided to take all of the interior ans engine out before you turn up to buy, how can i ask for the same money if its basically a lump of metal with a flash horse badge?
    We know how much his monthly losses are all he is doing is selling to cover the running costs it’s not asset stripping
    He could have reduced his running costs by selling at a reasonable price months ago. Now he is still running at a loss with a rapidly depreciating commodity
    And this is where it is both baffling and worrying.

    Baffling as surely Dushitelet does not want to lose the increasing millions he seemingly is.

    Worrying that he seems to be able to afford to lose this money.

    Sad times.
    That’s always been the biggest fear I had he is rich enough to say screw you I don’t care

    Like was said yesterday sell the club for 10 mil less or lose 10 mil over the season what’s the difference to him
    If he waits another year couldn’t he end up losing £10m on running the club AND sell for £10m less?

    Yep he could but he doesn’t seem to give two shits about that does he
    I don't think that's true for a moment.

    Rich men get rich by being careful with their money. And Rich men don't like losing money.

    Then why has he run our club the way he has , unless we are all missing something
  • Off_it said:

    Fuck me, is this what it's come to - people arguing about whether the old fucker is asset stripping or not?

    The font of all knowledge that is Wikipedia (I know) says this:

    Asset stripping is a term used to refer to the practice of selling off a company's assets in order to improve returns for equity investors. With a lower level of assets, it is maintained, the business is rendered financially less stable or viable.

    Certainly sounds like it to me. Reducing liabilities = improving returns for equity investors, and we only have one of those.

    But either way, it matters not. There is quite clearly only one person to blame for the current 4+ year shitfest we are enduring and to suggest there is even a morsel of blame falling elsewhere, quite frankly, comes across as pie in the sky heatwave induced jibbering bollocks.

    I don’t think anyone anywhere has suggested there is anyone to blame than RD for all of this

    If it turns out that the Aussies made false bids in order to secure the club without having the funds in place that imo is nothing to do with the situation we have with RD but is well worthy of discussion debate and criticism
    WTF????

  • Scoham said:

    CAFCDAZ said:

    I think your right and at the same time he will sell anything and anyone that has value to fund the day to day losses

    Asset stripping is not asset stripping if it’s covering running costs

    It feels like it is to us as fans but he is running it as a business and the sales are cash flow

    It sucks but I don’t see anything to fault in your post

    asset stripping is asset stripping. if i told you i had a ferrari for 100k then decided to take all of the interior ans engine out before you turn up to buy, how can i ask for the same money if its basically a lump of metal with a flash horse badge?
    We know how much his monthly losses are all he is doing is selling to cover the running costs it’s not asset stripping
    He could have reduced his running costs by selling at a reasonable price months ago. Now he is still running at a loss with a rapidly depreciating commodity
    And this is where it is both baffling and worrying.

    Baffling as surely Dushitelet does not want to lose the increasing millions he seemingly is.

    Worrying that he seems to be able to afford to lose this money.

    Sad times.
    That’s always been the biggest fear I had he is rich enough to say screw you I don’t care

    Like was said yesterday sell the club for 10 mil less or lose 10 mil over the season what’s the difference to him
    If he waits another year couldn’t he end up losing £10m on running the club AND sell for £10m less?

    Yep he could but he doesn’t seem to give two shits about that does he
    I don't think that's true for a moment.

    Rich men get rich by being careful with their money. And Rich men don't like losing money.

    Then why has he run our club the way he has , unless we are all missing something
    He's a stubborn idiot too
    No one, apart from Roland himself, missed that
  • Off_it said:

    Fuck me, is this what it's come to - people arguing about whether the old fucker is asset stripping or not?

    The font of all knowledge that is Wikipedia (I know) says this:

    Asset stripping is a term used to refer to the practice of selling off a company's assets in order to improve returns for equity investors. With a lower level of assets, it is maintained, the business is rendered financially less stable or viable.

    Certainly sounds like it to me. Reducing liabilities = improving returns for equity investors, and we only have one of those.

    But either way, it matters not. There is quite clearly only one person to blame for the current 4+ year shitfest we are enduring and to suggest there is even a morsel of blame falling elsewhere, quite frankly, comes across as pie in the sky heatwave induced jibbering bollocks.

    I don’t think anyone anywhere has suggested there is anyone to blame than RD for all of this

    If it turns out that the Aussies made false bids in order to secure the club without having the funds in place that imo is nothing to do with the situation we have with RD but is well worthy of discussion debate and criticism
    WTF????

    They don’t have the money so why out bid people who do there are questions that need to be asked

    And they have never had the money
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