The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)

SoundAsa£

bazjonster said:

SoundAsa£ said:

nth london addick said:

PragueAddick said:

nth london addick said:

Off_it said:

Fuck me, is this what it's come to - people arguing about whether the old fucker is asset stripping or not?

The font of all knowledge that is Wikipedia (I know) says this:

Asset stripping is a term used to refer to the practice of selling off a company's assets in order to improve returns for equity investors. With a lower level of assets, it is maintained, the business is rendered financially less stable or viable.

Certainly sounds like it to me. Reducing liabilities = improving returns for equity investors, and we only have one of those.

But either way, it matters not. There is quite clearly only one person to blame for the current 4+ year shitfest we are enduring and to suggest there is even a morsel of blame falling elsewhere, quite frankly, comes across as pie in the sky heatwave induced jibbering bollocks.

I don’t think anyone anywhere has suggested there is anyone to blame than RD for all of this

If it turns out that the Aussies made false bids in order to secure the club without having the funds in place that imo is nothing to do with the situation we have with RD but is well worthy of discussion debate and criticism

WTF????

They don’t have the money so why out bid people who do there are questions that need to be asked

And they have never had the money

Your continually saying they (Muir) don’t have the money is therefore somewhat inaccurate........they most certainly DO have the money but are they prepared to stump up with it.......it would seem that for one reason or another they aren’t.
It’s a mute point I know, but for the sake of clarity you must understand that when you continue to say they don’t have the money it’s somewhat misleading.

Think you mean 'moot' point mate as opposed to 'mute'.

Correct baz....thanks for pointing that out.

nth_london_addick

@PragueAddick go and ask the person who wrote the SLP article

The club has said many things all from the mouth of a liar or multiple liars

I have said on here where I got told the aussies had no money

It was laughed at because it came from the RD side

GM told James seed there was still two that needed to sign off

Now the fact the Aussies are again still being reported to be searching for investors and the deal is in real jeopardy and Keith harris is actively working on resolving

There are still those that wish to believe a statement from known liars

Richard Murray could tell me that today is sunday and my name is darren

I would still check the calendar and my driving licence

This whole dirty sorry saga has been going on here since October 2017 we are two months from a year

Instead of asking me where the evidence is to substantiate my claim that they don’t have it or have never had it


The real question should be prove that they have

When their own side is taking about still looking for investors 10 months later

I think my proof has been substantiated






Roland has screwed this great club to the floor by its balls and will continue to do so

Two possibly 3 parties have tickled his ego valuation enough for him to believe he is right

His valuation however absurd you or I may think it is people are looking and biting his hook

Something never sat right with me about the Aussie bid and I will be honest and happy to be proved wrong about them and we will only know should they have somehow found the funds since harris let out his snitbit

So from here on in it’s not me having to justify my posts mine have been proven right

It’s for the Aussies to put up or shut up stay or walk simple as

But all the time they are hanging around without completing it’s a black cloud not a silver lines one

cafcfan

Scoham said:

bazjonster said:

SoundAsa£ said:

nth london addick said:

PragueAddick said:

nth london addick said:

Off_it said:

Fuck me, is this what it's come to - people arguing about whether the old fucker is asset stripping or not?

The font of all knowledge that is Wikipedia (I know) says this:

Asset stripping is a term used to refer to the practice of selling off a company's assets in order to improve returns for equity investors. With a lower level of assets, it is maintained, the business is rendered financially less stable or viable.

Certainly sounds like it to me. Reducing liabilities = improving returns for equity investors, and we only have one of those.

But either way, it matters not. There is quite clearly only one person to blame for the current 4+ year shitfest we are enduring and to suggest there is even a morsel of blame falling elsewhere, quite frankly, comes across as pie in the sky heatwave induced jibbering bollocks.

I don’t think anyone anywhere has suggested there is anyone to blame than RD for all of this

If it turns out that the Aussies made false bids in order to secure the club without having the funds in place that imo is nothing to do with the situation we have with RD but is well worthy of discussion debate and criticism

WTF????

They don’t have the money so why out bid people who do there are questions that need to be asked

And they have never had the money

Your continually saying they (Muir) don’t have the money is therefore somewhat inaccurate........they most certainly DO have the money but are they prepared to stump up with it.......it would seem that for one reason or another they aren’t.
It’s a mute point I know, but for the sake of clarity you must understand that when you continue to say they don’t have the money it’s somewhat misleading.

Think you mean 'moot' point mate as opposed to 'mute'.

This takeover has turned out to be a damp squid.

I see what you did there, very good!

nth_london_addick

SoundAsa£ said:

nth london addick said:

PragueAddick said:

nth london addick said:

Off_it said:

Fuck me, is this what it's come to - people arguing about whether the old fucker is asset stripping or not?

The font of all knowledge that is Wikipedia (I know) says this:

Asset stripping is a term used to refer to the practice of selling off a company's assets in order to improve returns for equity investors. With a lower level of assets, it is maintained, the business is rendered financially less stable or viable.

Certainly sounds like it to me. Reducing liabilities = improving returns for equity investors, and we only have one of those.

But either way, it matters not. There is quite clearly only one person to blame for the current 4+ year shitfest we are enduring and to suggest there is even a morsel of blame falling elsewhere, quite frankly, comes across as pie in the sky heatwave induced jibbering bollocks.

I don’t think anyone anywhere has suggested there is anyone to blame than RD for all of this

If it turns out that the Aussies made false bids in order to secure the club without having the funds in place that imo is nothing to do with the situation we have with RD but is well worthy of discussion debate and criticism

WTF????

They don’t have the money so why out bid people who do there are questions that need to be asked

And they have never had the money

nla......your assertion has always struck me as slightly misleading.
What ‘exactly’ do you mean....... as in “don’t have the money?”
What you are saying (I guess), is that as a consortium set up they haven’t found the required amount of financing from enough backers to spread the costs.
I say this because Muir alone easily has the finance to come up with in order to fly solo if he so wished.....so what you should really be saying is that they(in the shape of Muir alone), do have the money but are simply not prepared to spend it on Goldfingers unrealistic asking price.
Your continually saying they (Muir) don’t have the money is therefore somewhat inaccurate........they most certainly DO have the money but are they prepared to stump up with it.......it would seem that for one reason or another they aren’t.
It’s a moot point I know, but for the sake of clarity you must understand that when you continue to say they don’t have the money it’s somewhat misleading.
Well it is to me anyway.

One of their investors has the money personally to do it all but chooses not to

The consortium it’s self does not have the money in place to purchase the club

SoundAsa£

nth london addick said:

@PragueAddick go and ask the person who wrote the SLP article

The club has said many things all from the mouth of a liar or multiple liars

I have said on here where I got told the aussies had no money

It was laughed at because it came from the RD side

GM told James seed there was still two that needed to sign off

Now the fact the Aussies are again still being reported to be searching for investors and the deal is in real jeopardy and Keith harris is actively working on resolving

There are still those that wish to believe a statement from known liars

Richard Murray could tell me that today is sunday and my name is darren

I would still check the calendar and my driving licence

This whole dirty sorry saga has been going on here since October 2017 we are two months from a year

Instead of asking me where the evidence is to substantiate my claim that they don’t have it or have never had it


The real question should be prove that they have

When their own side is taking about still looking for investors 10 months later

I think my proof has been substantiated






Roland has screwed this great club to the floor by its balls and will continue to do so

Two possibly 3 parties have tickled his ego valuation enough for him to believe he is right

His valuation however absurd you or I may think it is people are looking and biting his hook

Something never sat right with me about the Aussie bid and I will be honest and happy to be proved wrong about them and we will only know should they have somehow found the funds since harris let out his snitbit

So from here on in it’s not me having to justify my posts mine have been proven right

It’s for the Aussies to put up or shut up stay or walk simple as

But all the time they are hanging around without completing it’s a black cloud not a silver lines one

Do you or do you not concede that Andrew Muir has the wherewithal to purchase the club if he so wished.....either as an individual or by raising his stake in the consortium?

bobmunro

nth london addick said:

SoundAsa£ said:

nth london addick said:

PragueAddick said:

nth london addick said:

Off_it said:

Fuck me, is this what it's come to - people arguing about whether the old fucker is asset stripping or not?

The font of all knowledge that is Wikipedia (I know) says this:

Asset stripping is a term used to refer to the practice of selling off a company's assets in order to improve returns for equity investors. With a lower level of assets, it is maintained, the business is rendered financially less stable or viable.

Certainly sounds like it to me. Reducing liabilities = improving returns for equity investors, and we only have one of those.

But either way, it matters not. There is quite clearly only one person to blame for the current 4+ year shitfest we are enduring and to suggest there is even a morsel of blame falling elsewhere, quite frankly, comes across as pie in the sky heatwave induced jibbering bollocks.

I don’t think anyone anywhere has suggested there is anyone to blame than RD for all of this

If it turns out that the Aussies made false bids in order to secure the club without having the funds in place that imo is nothing to do with the situation we have with RD but is well worthy of discussion debate and criticism

WTF????

They don’t have the money so why out bid people who do there are questions that need to be asked

And they have never had the money

nla......your assertion has always struck me as slightly misleading.
What ‘exactly’ do you mean....... as in “don’t have the money?”
What you are saying (I guess), is that as a consortium set up they haven’t found the required amount of financing from enough backers to spread the costs.
I say this because Muir alone easily has the finance to come up with in order to fly solo if he so wished.....so what you should really be saying is that they(in the shape of Muir alone), do have the money but are simply not prepared to spend it on Goldfingers unrealistic asking price.
Your continually saying they (Muir) don’t have the money is therefore somewhat inaccurate........they most certainly DO have the money but are they prepared to stump up with it.......it would seem that for one reason or another they aren’t.
It’s a moot point I know, but for the sake of clarity you must understand that when you continue to say they don’t have the money it’s somewhat misleading.
Well it is to me anyway.

One of their investors has the money personally to do it all but chooses not to

The consortium it’s self does not have the money in place to purchase the club

Agreed. It's not the wealth of the bidders, rather their willingness to part with some of that wealth.

And your name is Cedric and it's Friday - proof if it was needed that Uncle Dickie is a pathological liar.

ken_shabby

golfaddick said:

stop shouting said:

It’s like my crypto currency investments. I know I’m doing my arse, I’m bored with it and i’m only going to lose more money by not selling but I’m hanging on in there as I refuse to sell until I get my investment back. The difference is I need the money, duchbag don’t!

but there comes a time when you either sell at a loss & recoup something or accept that you've lost it all & walk away.

As it stands, RD is losing money as every month passes, and the longer he leaves it his "commodity" is worth less & less. We sure ain't worth £40m now as the season starts (injured players/no investment in new players /no young talent to sell), will be worth less in a weeks time when the transfer window ends ( new owner can't invest for 4 months) and will be worth a lot less in League 2.

As it stands the Aussies are also losing money as they now need to spend more than they would have had to do 3 months ago to make us competitive as players have been sold & other now injured (yes, players might have got injured under their watch, but we will never know & we do know 100% now that JFC needs replacing).

shit for brains the lot of them.

Yes, but the Aussies can avoid losses by simply not buying. RD is stuck with ownership, and seems unable to see that his ongoing business plan is demolishing the value of an asset he can't seem to sell.
I'm not convinced he's immune to the losses either. Charlton is like an albatross round his neck, but he lacks the intelligence (or is suffocated by his ego) to see clinging on is not going to make things better.

SoundAsa£

ken_shabby said:

golfaddick said:

stop shouting said:

It’s like my crypto currency investments. I know I’m doing my arse, I’m bored with it and i’m only going to lose more money by not selling but I’m hanging on in there as I refuse to sell until I get my investment back. The difference is I need the money, duchbag don’t!

but there comes a time when you either sell at a loss & recoup something or accept that you've lost it all & walk away.

As it stands, RD is losing money as every month passes, and the longer he leaves it his "commodity" is worth less & less. We sure ain't worth £40m now as the season starts (injured players/no investment in new players /no young talent to sell), will be worth less in a weeks time when the transfer window ends ( new owner can't invest for 4 months) and will be worth a lot less in League 2.

As it stands the Aussies are also losing money as they now need to spend more than they would have had to do 3 months ago to make us competitive as players have been sold & other now injured (yes, players might have got injured under their watch, but we will never know & we do know 100% now that JFC needs replacing).

shit for brains the lot of them.

Yes, but the Aussies can avoid losses by simply not buying. RD is stuck with ownership, and seems unable to see that his ongoing business plan is demolishing the value of an asset he can't seem to sell.
I'm not convinced he's immune to the losses either. Charlton is like an albatross round his neck, but he lacks the intelligence (or is suffocated by his ego) to see clinging on is not going to make things better.

Or he could simply be being vengeful.......I wonder?

SoundAsa£

nth london addick said:

SoundAsa£ said:

nth london addick said:

PragueAddick said:

nth london addick said:

Off_it said:

Fuck me, is this what it's come to - people arguing about whether the old fucker is asset stripping or not?

The font of all knowledge that is Wikipedia (I know) says this:

Asset stripping is a term used to refer to the practice of selling off a company's assets in order to improve returns for equity investors. With a lower level of assets, it is maintained, the business is rendered financially less stable or viable.

Certainly sounds like it to me. Reducing liabilities = improving returns for equity investors, and we only have one of those.

But either way, it matters not. There is quite clearly only one person to blame for the current 4+ year shitfest we are enduring and to suggest there is even a morsel of blame falling elsewhere, quite frankly, comes across as pie in the sky heatwave induced jibbering bollocks.

I don’t think anyone anywhere has suggested there is anyone to blame than RD for all of this

If it turns out that the Aussies made false bids in order to secure the club without having the funds in place that imo is nothing to do with the situation we have with RD but is well worthy of discussion debate and criticism

WTF????

They don’t have the money so why out bid people who do there are questions that need to be asked

And they have never had the money

nla......your assertion has always struck me as slightly misleading.
What ‘exactly’ do you mean....... as in “don’t have the money?”
What you are saying (I guess), is that as a consortium set up they haven’t found the required amount of financing from enough backers to spread the costs.
I say this because Muir alone easily has the finance to come up with in order to fly solo if he so wished.....so what you should really be saying is that they(in the shape of Muir alone), do have the money but are simply not prepared to spend it on Goldfingers unrealistic asking price.
Your continually saying they (Muir) don’t have the money is therefore somewhat inaccurate........they most certainly DO have the money but are they prepared to stump up with it.......it would seem that for one reason or another they aren’t.
It’s a moot point I know, but for the sake of clarity you must understand that when you continue to say they don’t have the money it’s somewhat misleading.
Well it is to me anyway.

One of their investors has the money personally to do it all but chooses not to

The consortium it’s self does not have the money in place to purchase the club

So......they in fact DO have the money......sorry to be pedantic nla, but I believe it to be a valid point.

Shrew

SoundAsa£ said:

nth london addick said:

SoundAsa£ said:

nth london addick said:

PragueAddick said:

nth london addick said:

Off_it said:

Fuck me, is this what it's come to - people arguing about whether the old fucker is asset stripping or not?

The font of all knowledge that is Wikipedia (I know) says this:

Asset stripping is a term used to refer to the practice of selling off a company's assets in order to improve returns for equity investors. With a lower level of assets, it is maintained, the business is rendered financially less stable or viable.

Certainly sounds like it to me. Reducing liabilities = improving returns for equity investors, and we only have one of those.

But either way, it matters not. There is quite clearly only one person to blame for the current 4+ year shitfest we are enduring and to suggest there is even a morsel of blame falling elsewhere, quite frankly, comes across as pie in the sky heatwave induced jibbering bollocks.

I don’t think anyone anywhere has suggested there is anyone to blame than RD for all of this

If it turns out that the Aussies made false bids in order to secure the club without having the funds in place that imo is nothing to do with the situation we have with RD but is well worthy of discussion debate and criticism

WTF????

They don’t have the money so why out bid people who do there are questions that need to be asked

And they have never had the money

nla......your assertion has always struck me as slightly misleading.
What ‘exactly’ do you mean....... as in “don’t have the money?”
What you are saying (I guess), is that as a consortium set up they haven’t found the required amount of financing from enough backers to spread the costs.
I say this because Muir alone easily has the finance to come up with in order to fly solo if he so wished.....so what you should really be saying is that they(in the shape of Muir alone), do have the money but are simply not prepared to spend it on Goldfingers unrealistic asking price.
Your continually saying they (Muir) don’t have the money is therefore somewhat inaccurate........they most certainly DO have the money but are they prepared to stump up with it.......it would seem that for one reason or another they aren’t.
It’s a moot point I know, but for the sake of clarity you must understand that when you continue to say they don’t have the money it’s somewhat misleading.
Well it is to me anyway.

One of their investors has the money personally to do it all but chooses not to

The consortium it’s self does not have the money in place to purchase the club

So......they in fact DO have the money......sorry to be pedantic nla, but I believe it to be a valid point.

Muir is only willing to be a minority shareholder, The consortium trying to buy the club clearly does not have the money, whatever individuals paying into the pot may have individually. Also a lot of Andrew Muir's wealth is bound up in the Muir Family.

nth_london_addick

SoundAsa£ said:

nth london addick said:

@PragueAddick go and ask the person who wrote the SLP article

The club has said many things all from the mouth of a liar or multiple liars

I have said on here where I got told the aussies had no money

It was laughed at because it came from the RD side

GM told James seed there was still two that needed to sign off

Now the fact the Aussies are again still being reported to be searching for investors and the deal is in real jeopardy and Keith harris is actively working on resolving

There are still those that wish to believe a statement from known liars

Richard Murray could tell me that today is sunday and my name is darren

I would still check the calendar and my driving licence

This whole dirty sorry saga has been going on here since October 2017 we are two months from a year

Instead of asking me where the evidence is to substantiate my claim that they don’t have it or have never had it


The real question should be prove that they have

When their own side is taking about still looking for investors 10 months later

I think my proof has been substantiated






Roland has screwed this great club to the floor by its balls and will continue to do so

Two possibly 3 parties have tickled his ego valuation enough for him to believe he is right

His valuation however absurd you or I may think it is people are looking and biting his hook

Something never sat right with me about the Aussie bid and I will be honest and happy to be proved wrong about them and we will only know should they have somehow found the funds since harris let out his snitbit

So from here on in it’s not me having to justify my posts mine have been proven right

It’s for the Aussies to put up or shut up stay or walk simple as

But all the time they are hanging around without completing it’s a black cloud not a silver lines one

Do you or do you not concede that Andrew Muir has the wherewithal to purchase the club if he so wished.....either as an individual or by raising his stake in the consortium?

I have answered that question so many times on here

One of their investors has a personal wealth to buy us on his own but chooses not too

We are not talking about Andrew Muir as a single entity we are talking about a consortium he is part of and right now we don’t know if he alone is holding is 10% 50% 85% of that consortium

PragueAddick

I have to apologise to @nth london addick to the extent that I asserted he did not share with me privately his sources, he did tell me a fair bit back in June, and quite reasonably he would not have wanted to say more in public. But those sources have not been used elsewhere to the best of my knowledge. They were the result of coincidences that sometimes happen.

That said, I'm still concerned that he is making suppositions about the state of play rather than being able to be sure enough to assert that "the Aussies don't have the money" and that's the subject of a further private discussion.

Separately, to ward off the rather tiresome insinuations I see surfacing here again, I would like to mention that neither I nor any of my close Charlton buddies have had any private conversation with Richard Murray since early January.

JamesSeed

I

nth london addick said:

SoundAsa£ said:

nth london addick said:

@PragueAddick go and ask the person who wrote the SLP article

The club has said many things all from the mouth of a liar or multiple liars

I have said on here where I got told the aussies had no money

It was laughed at because it came from the RD side

GM told James seed there was still two that needed to sign off

Now the fact the Aussies are again still being reported to be searching for investors and the deal is in real jeopardy and Keith harris is actively working on resolving

There are still those that wish to believe a statement from known liars

Richard Murray could tell me that today is sunday and my name is darren

I would still check the calendar and my driving licence

This whole dirty sorry saga has been going on here since October 2017 we are two months from a year

Instead of asking me where the evidence is to substantiate my claim that they don’t have it or have never had it


The real question should be prove that they have

When their own side is taking about still looking for investors 10 months later

I think my proof has been substantiated






Roland has screwed this great club to the floor by its balls and will continue to do so

Two possibly 3 parties have tickled his ego valuation enough for him to believe he is right

His valuation however absurd you or I may think it is people are looking and biting his hook

Something never sat right with me about the Aussie bid and I will be honest and happy to be proved wrong about them and we will only know should they have somehow found the funds since harris let out his snitbit

So from here on in it’s not me having to justify my posts mine have been proven right

It’s for the Aussies to put up or shut up stay or walk simple as

But all the time they are hanging around without completing it’s a black cloud not a silver lines one

Do you or do you not concede that Andrew Muir has the wherewithal to purchase the club if he so wished.....either as an individual or by raising his stake in the consortium?

I have answered that question so many times on here

One of their investors has a personal wealth to buy us on his own but chooses not too

We are not talking about Andrew Muir as a single entity we are talking about a consortium he is part of and right now we don’t know if he alone is holding is 10% 50% 85% of that consortium

I thought he has stated that he wants it to be a consortium of equals i.e. equal financial input from each investor?

nth_london_addick

JamesSeed said:

I

nth london addick said:

SoundAsa£ said:

nth london addick said:

@PragueAddick go and ask the person who wrote the SLP article

The club has said many things all from the mouth of a liar or multiple liars

I have said on here where I got told the aussies had no money

It was laughed at because it came from the RD side

GM told James seed there was still two that needed to sign off

Now the fact the Aussies are again still being reported to be searching for investors and the deal is in real jeopardy and Keith harris is actively working on resolving

There are still those that wish to believe a statement from known liars

Richard Murray could tell me that today is sunday and my name is darren

I would still check the calendar and my driving licence

This whole dirty sorry saga has been going on here since October 2017 we are two months from a year

Instead of asking me where the evidence is to substantiate my claim that they don’t have it or have never had it


The real question should be prove that they have

When their own side is taking about still looking for investors 10 months later

I think my proof has been substantiated






Roland has screwed this great club to the floor by its balls and will continue to do so

Two possibly 3 parties have tickled his ego valuation enough for him to believe he is right

His valuation however absurd you or I may think it is people are looking and biting his hook

Something never sat right with me about the Aussie bid and I will be honest and happy to be proved wrong about them and we will only know should they have somehow found the funds since harris let out his snitbit

So from here on in it’s not me having to justify my posts mine have been proven right

It’s for the Aussies to put up or shut up stay or walk simple as

But all the time they are hanging around without completing it’s a black cloud not a silver lines one

Do you or do you not concede that Andrew Muir has the wherewithal to purchase the club if he so wished.....either as an individual or by raising his stake in the consortium?

I have answered that question so many times on here

One of their investors has a personal wealth to buy us on his own but chooses not too

We are not talking about Andrew Muir as a single entity we are talking about a consortium he is part of and right now we don’t know if he alone is holding is 10% 50% 85% of that consortium

I thought he has stated that he wants it to be a consortium of equals i.e. equal financial input from each investor?

Which is in need of further investigation then because if he only wants the same as for example 10 others then this consortium is doomed to fail

JamesSeed

nth london addick said:

JamesSeed said:

I

nth london addick said:

SoundAsa£ said:

nth london addick said:

@PragueAddick go and ask the person who wrote the SLP article

The club has said many things all from the mouth of a liar or multiple liars

I have said on here where I got told the aussies had no money

It was laughed at because it came from the RD side

GM told James seed there was still two that needed to sign off

Now the fact the Aussies are again still being reported to be searching for investors and the deal is in real jeopardy and Keith harris is actively working on resolving

There are still those that wish to believe a statement from known liars

Richard Murray could tell me that today is sunday and my name is darren

I would still check the calendar and my driving licence

This whole dirty sorry saga has been going on here since October 2017 we are two months from a year

Instead of asking me where the evidence is to substantiate my claim that they don’t have it or have never had it


The real question should be prove that they have

When their own side is taking about still looking for investors 10 months later

I think my proof has been substantiated






Roland has screwed this great club to the floor by its balls and will continue to do so

Two possibly 3 parties have tickled his ego valuation enough for him to believe he is right

His valuation however absurd you or I may think it is people are looking and biting his hook

Something never sat right with me about the Aussie bid and I will be honest and happy to be proved wrong about them and we will only know should they have somehow found the funds since harris let out his snitbit

So from here on in it’s not me having to justify my posts mine have been proven right

It’s for the Aussies to put up or shut up stay or walk simple as

But all the time they are hanging around without completing it’s a black cloud not a silver lines one

Do you or do you not concede that Andrew Muir has the wherewithal to purchase the club if he so wished.....either as an individual or by raising his stake in the consortium?

I have answered that question so many times on here

One of their investors has a personal wealth to buy us on his own but chooses not too

We are not talking about Andrew Muir as a single entity we are talking about a consortium he is part of and right now we don’t know if he alone is holding is 10% 50% 85% of that consortium

I thought he has stated that he wants it to be a consortium of equals i.e. equal financial input from each investor?

Which is in need of further investigation then because if he only wants the same as for example 10 others then this consortium is doomed to fail

Sorry, that doesn’t make sense.

What do you mean ‘wants the same’?

There could be five investors all putting in £30m.

SoundAsa£

Thanks for making that absolutely clear nla.......I (and maybe one or two others), am happy with your reply.

nth_london_addick

JamesSeed said:

nth london addick said:

JamesSeed said:

I

nth london addick said:

SoundAsa£ said:

nth london addick said:

@PragueAddick go and ask the person who wrote the SLP article

The club has said many things all from the mouth of a liar or multiple liars

I have said on here where I got told the aussies had no money

It was laughed at because it came from the RD side

GM told James seed there was still two that needed to sign off

Now the fact the Aussies are again still being reported to be searching for investors and the deal is in real jeopardy and Keith harris is actively working on resolving

There are still those that wish to believe a statement from known liars

Richard Murray could tell me that today is sunday and my name is darren

I would still check the calendar and my driving licence

This whole dirty sorry saga has been going on here since October 2017 we are two months from a year

Instead of asking me where the evidence is to substantiate my claim that they don’t have it or have never had it


The real question should be prove that they have

When their own side is taking about still looking for investors 10 months later

I think my proof has been substantiated






Roland has screwed this great club to the floor by its balls and will continue to do so

Two possibly 3 parties have tickled his ego valuation enough for him to believe he is right

His valuation however absurd you or I may think it is people are looking and biting his hook

Something never sat right with me about the Aussie bid and I will be honest and happy to be proved wrong about them and we will only know should they have somehow found the funds since harris let out his snitbit

So from here on in it’s not me having to justify my posts mine have been proven right

It’s for the Aussies to put up or shut up stay or walk simple as

But all the time they are hanging around without completing it’s a black cloud not a silver lines one

Do you or do you not concede that Andrew Muir has the wherewithal to purchase the club if he so wished.....either as an individual or by raising his stake in the consortium?

I have answered that question so many times on here

One of their investors has a personal wealth to buy us on his own but chooses not too

We are not talking about Andrew Muir as a single entity we are talking about a consortium he is part of and right now we don’t know if he alone is holding is 10% 50% 85% of that consortium

I thought he has stated that he wants it to be a consortium of equals i.e. equal financial input from each investor?

Which is in need of further investigation then because if he only wants the same as for example 10 others then this consortium is doomed to fail

Sorry, that doesn’t make sense.

What do you mean ‘wants the same’?

There could be five investors all putting in £30m.

There could be 30 putting in a mil

Scoham

nth london addick said:

SoundAsa£ said:

nth london addick said:

@PragueAddick go and ask the person who wrote the SLP article

The club has said many things all from the mouth of a liar or multiple liars

I have said on here where I got told the aussies had no money

It was laughed at because it came from the RD side

GM told James seed there was still two that needed to sign off

Now the fact the Aussies are again still being reported to be searching for investors and the deal is in real jeopardy and Keith harris is actively working on resolving

There are still those that wish to believe a statement from known liars

Richard Murray could tell me that today is sunday and my name is darren

I would still check the calendar and my driving licence

This whole dirty sorry saga has been going on here since October 2017 we are two months from a year

Instead of asking me where the evidence is to substantiate my claim that they don’t have it or have never had it


The real question should be prove that they have

When their own side is taking about still looking for investors 10 months later

I think my proof has been substantiated






Roland has screwed this great club to the floor by its balls and will continue to do so

Two possibly 3 parties have tickled his ego valuation enough for him to believe he is right

His valuation however absurd you or I may think it is people are looking and biting his hook

Something never sat right with me about the Aussie bid and I will be honest and happy to be proved wrong about them and we will only know should they have somehow found the funds since harris let out his snitbit

So from here on in it’s not me having to justify my posts mine have been proven right

It’s for the Aussies to put up or shut up stay or walk simple as

But all the time they are hanging around without completing it’s a black cloud not a silver lines one

Do you or do you not concede that Andrew Muir has the wherewithal to purchase the club if he so wished.....either as an individual or by raising his stake in the consortium?

I have answered that question so many times on here

One of their investors has a personal wealth to buy us on his own but chooses not too

We are not talking about Andrew Muir as a single entity we are talking about a consortium he is part of and right now we don’t know if he alone is holding is 10% 50% 85% of that consortium

Less than 51% according Richard Cawley last month.

https://www.londonnewsonline.co.uk/exclusive-andrew-muir-backed-consortium-will-see-no-wealthy-investor-with-a-controlling-stake-at-charlton-athletic/

Covered End

SoundAsa£ said:

nth london addick said:

@PragueAddick go and ask the person who wrote the SLP article

The club has said many things all from the mouth of a liar or multiple liars

I have said on here where I got told the aussies had no money

It was laughed at because it came from the RD side

GM told James seed there was still two that needed to sign off

Now the fact the Aussies are again still being reported to be searching for investors and the deal is in real jeopardy and Keith harris is actively working on resolving

There are still those that wish to believe a statement from known liars

Richard Murray could tell me that today is sunday and my name is darren

I would still check the calendar and my driving licence

This whole dirty sorry saga has been going on here since October 2017 we are two months from a year

Instead of asking me where the evidence is to substantiate my claim that they don’t have it or have never had it


The real question should be prove that they have

When their own side is taking about still looking for investors 10 months later

I think my proof has been substantiated






Roland has screwed this great club to the floor by its balls and will continue to do so

Two possibly 3 parties have tickled his ego valuation enough for him to believe he is right

His valuation however absurd you or I may think it is people are looking and biting his hook

Something never sat right with me about the Aussie bid and I will be honest and happy to be proved wrong about them and we will only know should they have somehow found the funds since harris let out his snitbit

So from here on in it’s not me having to justify my posts mine have been proven right

It’s for the Aussies to put up or shut up stay or walk simple as

But all the time they are hanging around without completing it’s a black cloud not a silver lines one

Do you or do you not concede that Andrew Muir has the wherewithal to purchase the club if he so wished.....either as an individual or by raising his stake in the consortium?

Yes he does but so what ?

There are thousands of people in this world that have the wherewithal to purchase the club but are not going to.
The Queen has the wherewithal, but there is no relevance unless they wish to use those funds to buy Charlton Athletic and up to now Andrew Muir has made it quite clear that he does not want a majority stake.

blackpool72

nth london addick said:

JamesSeed said:

nth london addick said:

JamesSeed said:

I

nth london addick said:

SoundAsa£ said:

nth london addick said:

@PragueAddick go and ask the person who wrote the SLP article

The club has said many things all from the mouth of a liar or multiple liars

I have said on here where I got told the aussies had no money

It was laughed at because it came from the RD side

GM told James seed there was still two that needed to sign off

Now the fact the Aussies are again still being reported to be searching for investors and the deal is in real jeopardy and Keith harris is actively working on resolving

There are still those that wish to believe a statement from known liars

Richard Murray could tell me that today is sunday and my name is darren

I would still check the calendar and my driving licence

This whole dirty sorry saga has been going on here since October 2017 we are two months from a year

Instead of asking me where the evidence is to substantiate my claim that they don’t have it or have never had it


The real question should be prove that they have

When their own side is taking about still looking for investors 10 months later

I think my proof has been substantiated






Roland has screwed this great club to the floor by its balls and will continue to do so

Two possibly 3 parties have tickled his ego valuation enough for him to believe he is right

His valuation however absurd you or I may think it is people are looking and biting his hook

Something never sat right with me about the Aussie bid and I will be honest and happy to be proved wrong about them and we will only know should they have somehow found the funds since harris let out his snitbit

So from here on in it’s not me having to justify my posts mine have been proven right

It’s for the Aussies to put up or shut up stay or walk simple as

But all the time they are hanging around without completing it’s a black cloud not a silver lines one

Do you or do you not concede that Andrew Muir has the wherewithal to purchase the club if he so wished.....either as an individual or by raising his stake in the consortium?

I have answered that question so many times on here

One of their investors has a personal wealth to buy us on his own but chooses not too

We are not talking about Andrew Muir as a single entity we are talking about a consortium he is part of and right now we don’t know if he alone is holding is 10% 50% 85% of that consortium

I thought he has stated that he wants it to be a consortium of equals i.e. equal financial input from each investor?

Which is in need of further investigation then because if he only wants the same as for example 10 others then this consortium is doomed to fail

Sorry, that doesn’t make sense.

What do you mean ‘wants the same’?

There could be five investors all putting in £30m.

There could be 30 putting in a mil

nth london addick said:

JamesSeed said:

nth london addick said:

JamesSeed said:

I

nth london addick said:

SoundAsa£ said:

nth london addick said:

@PragueAddick go and ask the person who wrote the SLP article

The club has said many things all from the mouth of a liar or multiple liars

I have said on here where I got told the aussies had no money

It was laughed at because it came from the RD side

GM told James seed there was still two that needed to sign off

Now the fact the Aussies are again still being reported to be searching for investors and the deal is in real jeopardy and Keith harris is actively working on resolving

There are still those that wish to believe a statement from known liars

Richard Murray could tell me that today is sunday and my name is darren

I would still check the calendar and my driving licence

This whole dirty sorry saga has been going on here since October 2017 we are two months from a year

Instead of asking me where the evidence is to substantiate my claim that they don’t have it or have never had it


The real question should be prove that they have

When their own side is taking about still looking for investors 10 months later

I think my proof has been substantiated






Roland has screwed this great club to the floor by its balls and will continue to do so

Two possibly 3 parties have tickled his ego valuation enough for him to believe he is right

His valuation however absurd you or I may think it is people are looking and biting his hook

Something never sat right with me about the Aussie bid and I will be honest and happy to be proved wrong about them and we will only know should they have somehow found the funds since harris let out his snitbit

So from here on in it’s not me having to justify my posts mine have been proven right

It’s for the Aussies to put up or shut up stay or walk simple as

But all the time they are hanging around without completing it’s a black cloud not a silver lines one

Do you or do you not concede that Andrew Muir has the wherewithal to purchase the club if he so wished.....either as an individual or by raising his stake in the consortium?

I have answered that question so many times on here

One of their investors has a personal wealth to buy us on his own but chooses not too

We are not talking about Andrew Muir as a single entity we are talking about a consortium he is part of and right now we don’t know if he alone is holding is 10% 50% 85% of that consortium

I thought he has stated that he wants it to be a consortium of equals i.e. equal financial input from each investor?

Which is in need of further investigation then because if he only wants the same as for example 10 others then this consortium is doomed to fail

Sorry, that doesn’t make sense.

What do you mean ‘wants the same’?

There could be five investors all putting in £30m.

There could be 30 putting in a mil

Exactly this.
The more investors needed the more complicated it becomes.
I think he has to up his own percentage to around 50% to make it easier to raise the necessary funds.
If not then this will just keep dragging on until it collapses imo.

nth_london_addick

There has to be a majority share holder to have the casting vote equal shares is a mine field imo

Airman Brown

PragueAddick said:

I have to apologise to @nth london addick to the extent that I asserted he did not share with me privately his sources, he did tell me a fair bit back in June, and quite reasonably he would not have wanted to say more in public. But those sources have not been used elsewhere to the best of my knowledge. They were the result of coincidences that sometimes happen.

That said, I'm still concerned that he is making suppositions about the state of play rather than being able to be sure enough to assert that "the Aussies don't have the money" and that's the subject of a further private discussion.

Separately, to ward off the rather tiresome insinuations I see surfacing here again, I would like to mention that neither I nor any of my close Charlton buddies have had any private conversation with Richard Murray since early January.

https://www.castrust.org/2018/06/richard-murray-two-parties-still-negotiating/

I think you are overlooking this, although accept you would dispute that being a private conversation since there was a report. However, Murray is just one source for information among many. It's not nearly good enough to think the multiple stories out there are mainly or wholly sourced from him. I really don't see why De Turck would hold a meeting so he can tells lies to the FF, for example. As per the credit card payments disclosure, he appears more naive than calculating.

Harry Gregory

I am not sure that people are reading properly what NLA is saying; and without an ounce of insider knowledge; I think his conclusion is right. It is possible that everyone in the consortium can afford to buy the club on their own, Muir certainly but they are not prepared to and want to share the financial burden amongst a range of people.

I can afford to by a mint E-Type Jag if i sold my house and divorced the wife but I am not prepared to do that!

Fumbluff

ElfsborgAddick said:

Oops, that was Shakin Stevens!

“This ole house is made of shingles, this ole house is made of straw, ain’t gonna need this house no longer, ain’t gonna need this house no more, forty-million-quid please, any offers”

-Roland Duchatelet, October 2017

carly burn

Harry Gregory said:

I am not sure that people are reading properly what NLA is saying; and without an ounce of insider knowledge; I think his conclusion is right. It is possible that everyone in the consortium can afford to buy the club on their own, Muir certainly but they are not prepared to and want to share the financial burden amongst a range of people.

I can afford to by a mint E-Type Jag if i sold my house and divorced the wife but I am not prepared to do that!

Highly unlikely given what I was told.

killerandflash

Fumbluff said:

ElfsborgAddick said:

Oops, that was Shakin Stevens!

“This ole house is made of shingles, this ole house is made of straw, ain’t gonna need this house no longer, ain’t gonna need this house no more, forty-million-quid please, any offers”

-Roland Duchatelet, October 2017

My faith in the Aussie consortium is pretty Shakey at the moment...

Stig

Covered End said:

SoundAsa£ said:

nth london addick said:

@PragueAddick go and ask the person who wrote the SLP article

The club has said many things all from the mouth of a liar or multiple liars

I have said on here where I got told the aussies had no money

It was laughed at because it came from the RD side

GM told James seed there was still two that needed to sign off

Now the fact the Aussies are again still being reported to be searching for investors and the deal is in real jeopardy and Keith harris is actively working on resolving

There are still those that wish to believe a statement from known liars

Richard Murray could tell me that today is sunday and my name is darren

I would still check the calendar and my driving licence

This whole dirty sorry saga has been going on here since October 2017 we are two months from a year

Instead of asking me where the evidence is to substantiate my claim that they don’t have it or have never had it


The real question should be prove that they have

When their own side is taking about still looking for investors 10 months later

I think my proof has been substantiated






Roland has screwed this great club to the floor by its balls and will continue to do so

Two possibly 3 parties have tickled his ego valuation enough for him to believe he is right

His valuation however absurd you or I may think it is people are looking and biting his hook

Something never sat right with me about the Aussie bid and I will be honest and happy to be proved wrong about them and we will only know should they have somehow found the funds since harris let out his snitbit

So from here on in it’s not me having to justify my posts mine have been proven right

It’s for the Aussies to put up or shut up stay or walk simple as

But all the time they are hanging around without completing it’s a black cloud not a silver lines one

Do you or do you not concede that Andrew Muir has the wherewithal to purchase the club if he so wished.....either as an individual or by raising his stake in the consortium?

Yes he does but so what ?

There are thousands of people in this world that have the wherwithall to purchase the club but are not going to. The Queen has the wherewithal, but there is no relevance unless they wish to use those funds to buy Charlton Athletic and up to now Andrew Muir has made it quite clear that he does not want a majority stake.

There is a relevance because the club is one of the central attractions of The Royal Borough of Greenwich and the royals are sitting-by idly whilst it stagnates. Come on Liz, get your finger out and get this sale sorted.

JamesSeed

nth london addick said:

JamesSeed said:

nth london addick said:

JamesSeed said:

I

nth london addick said:

SoundAsa£ said:

nth london addick said:

@PragueAddick go and ask the person who wrote the SLP article

The club has said many things all from the mouth of a liar or multiple liars

I have said on here where I got told the aussies had no money

It was laughed at because it came from the RD side

GM told James seed there was still two that needed to sign off

Now the fact the Aussies are again still being reported to be searching for investors and the deal is in real jeopardy and Keith harris is actively working on resolving

There are still those that wish to believe a statement from known liars

Richard Murray could tell me that today is sunday and my name is darren

I would still check the calendar and my driving licence

This whole dirty sorry saga has been going on here since October 2017 we are two months from a year

Instead of asking me where the evidence is to substantiate my claim that they don’t have it or have never had it


The real question should be prove that they have

When their own side is taking about still looking for investors 10 months later

I think my proof has been substantiated






Roland has screwed this great club to the floor by its balls and will continue to do so

Two possibly 3 parties have tickled his ego valuation enough for him to believe he is right

His valuation however absurd you or I may think it is people are looking and biting his hook

Something never sat right with me about the Aussie bid and I will be honest and happy to be proved wrong about them and we will only know should they have somehow found the funds since harris let out his snitbit

So from here on in it’s not me having to justify my posts mine have been proven right

It’s for the Aussies to put up or shut up stay or walk simple as

But all the time they are hanging around without completing it’s a black cloud not a silver lines one

Do you or do you not concede that Andrew Muir has the wherewithal to purchase the club if he so wished.....either as an individual or by raising his stake in the consortium?

I have answered that question so many times on here

One of their investors has a personal wealth to buy us on his own but chooses not too

We are not talking about Andrew Muir as a single entity we are talking about a consortium he is part of and right now we don’t know if he alone is holding is 10% 50% 85% of that consortium

I thought he has stated that he wants it to be a consortium of equals i.e. equal financial input from each investor?

Which is in need of further investigation then because if he only wants the same as for example 10 others then this consortium is doomed to fail

Sorry, that doesn’t make sense.

What do you mean ‘wants the same’?

There could be five investors all putting in £30m.

There could be 30 putting in a mil

Comments like that don't help.

nth_london_addick

carly burn said:

Harry Gregory said:

I am not sure that people are reading properly what NLA is saying; and without an ounce of insider knowledge; I think his conclusion is right. It is possible that everyone in the consortium can afford to buy the club on their own, Muir certainly but they are not prepared to and want to share the financial burden amongst a range of people.

I can afford to by a mint E-Type Jag if i sold my house and divorced the wife but I am not prepared to do that!

Highly unlikely given what I was told.

I had forgotten that you had approached them to see what the buy in was

There was another Alarm bell moment for all of us , we had heard of their interest and some were even believing that they were ready to pounce at that point yet they were just as far away potentially as they are today

JamesSeed

blackpool72 said:

nth london addick said:

JamesSeed said:

nth london addick said:

JamesSeed said:

I

nth london addick said:

SoundAsa£ said:

nth london addick said:

@PragueAddick go and ask the person who wrote the SLP article

The club has said many things all from the mouth of a liar or multiple liars

I have said on here where I got told the aussies had no money

It was laughed at because it came from the RD side

GM told James seed there was still two that needed to sign off

Now the fact the Aussies are again still being reported to be searching for investors and the deal is in real jeopardy and Keith harris is actively working on resolving

There are still those that wish to believe a statement from known liars

Richard Murray could tell me that today is sunday and my name is darren

I would still check the calendar and my driving licence

This whole dirty sorry saga has been going on here since October 2017 we are two months from a year

Instead of asking me where the evidence is to substantiate my claim that they don’t have it or have never had it


The real question should be prove that they have

When their own side is taking about still looking for investors 10 months later

I think my proof has been substantiated






Roland has screwed this great club to the floor by its balls and will continue to do so

Two possibly 3 parties have tickled his ego valuation enough for him to believe he is right

His valuation however absurd you or I may think it is people are looking and biting his hook

Something never sat right with me about the Aussie bid and I will be honest and happy to be proved wrong about them and we will only know should they have somehow found the funds since harris let out his snitbit

So from here on in it’s not me having to justify my posts mine have been proven right

It’s for the Aussies to put up or shut up stay or walk simple as

But all the time they are hanging around without completing it’s a black cloud not a silver lines one

Do you or do you not concede that Andrew Muir has the wherewithal to purchase the club if he so wished.....either as an individual or by raising his stake in the consortium?

I have answered that question so many times on here

One of their investors has a personal wealth to buy us on his own but chooses not too

We are not talking about Andrew Muir as a single entity we are talking about a consortium he is part of and right now we don’t know if he alone is holding is 10% 50% 85% of that consortium

I thought he has stated that he wants it to be a consortium of equals i.e. equal financial input from each investor?

Which is in need of further investigation then because if he only wants the same as for example 10 others then this consortium is doomed to fail

Sorry, that doesn’t make sense.

What do you mean ‘wants the same’?

There could be five investors all putting in £30m.

There could be 30 putting in a mil

nth london addick said:

JamesSeed said:

nth london addick said:

JamesSeed said:

I

nth london addick said:

SoundAsa£ said:

nth london addick said:

@PragueAddick go and ask the person who wrote the SLP article

The club has said many things all from the mouth of a liar or multiple liars

I have said on here where I got told the aussies had no money

It was laughed at because it came from the RD side

GM told James seed there was still two that needed to sign off

Now the fact the Aussies are again still being reported to be searching for investors and the deal is in real jeopardy and Keith harris is actively working on resolving

There are still those that wish to believe a statement from known liars

Richard Murray could tell me that today is sunday and my name is darren

I would still check the calendar and my driving licence

This whole dirty sorry saga has been going on here since October 2017 we are two months from a year

Instead of asking me where the evidence is to substantiate my claim that they don’t have it or have never had it


The real question should be prove that they have

When their own side is taking about still looking for investors 10 months later

I think my proof has been substantiated






Roland has screwed this great club to the floor by its balls and will continue to do so

Two possibly 3 parties have tickled his ego valuation enough for him to believe he is right

His valuation however absurd you or I may think it is people are looking and biting his hook

Something never sat right with me about the Aussie bid and I will be honest and happy to be proved wrong about them and we will only know should they have somehow found the funds since harris let out his snitbit

So from here on in it’s not me having to justify my posts mine have been proven right

It’s for the Aussies to put up or shut up stay or walk simple as

But all the time they are hanging around without completing it’s a black cloud not a silver lines one

Do you or do you not concede that Andrew Muir has the wherewithal to purchase the club if he so wished.....either as an individual or by raising his stake in the consortium?

I have answered that question so many times on here

One of their investors has a personal wealth to buy us on his own but chooses not too

We are not talking about Andrew Muir as a single entity we are talking about a consortium he is part of and right now we don’t know if he alone is holding is 10% 50% 85% of that consortium

I thought he has stated that he wants it to be a consortium of equals i.e. equal financial input from each investor?

Which is in need of further investigation then because if he only wants the same as for example 10 others then this consortium is doomed to fail

Sorry, that doesn’t make sense.

What do you mean ‘wants the same’?

There could be five investors all putting in £30m.

There could be 30 putting in a mil

Exactly this.
The more investors needed the more complicated it becomes.
I think he has to up his own percentage to around 50% to make it easier to raise the necessary funds.
If not then this will just keep dragging on until it collapses imo.

Or exactly not this.