I think your right and at the same time he will sell anything and anyone that has value to fund the day to day losses
Asset stripping is not asset stripping if it’s covering running costs
It feels like it is to us as fans but he is running it as a business and the sales are cash flow
It sucks but I don’t see anything to fault in your post
asset stripping is asset stripping. if i told you i had a ferrari for 100k then decided to take all of the interior ans engine out before you turn up to buy, how can i ask for the same money if its basically a lump of metal with a flash horse badge?
We know how much his monthly losses are all he is doing is selling to cover the running costs it’s not asset stripping
He is the owner, it's his responsibility to cover the monthly losses. The fact is, if he removes saleable assets from the club, he cannot expect to receive the same price for the business as he expected a few months prior to removing those assets. Part of the valuation of a business is based on it's assets. If those assets are removed/sold, then the value decreases.
I think your right and at the same time he will sell anything and anyone that has value to fund the day to day losses
Asset stripping is not asset stripping if it’s covering running costs
It feels like it is to us as fans but he is running it as a business and the sales are cash flow
It sucks but I don’t see anything to fault in your post
asset stripping is asset stripping. if i told you i had a ferrari for 100k then decided to take all of the interior ans engine out before you turn up to buy, how can i ask for the same money if its basically a lump of metal with a flash horse badge?
We know how much his monthly losses are all he is doing is selling to cover the running costs it’s not asset stripping
He could have reduced his running costs by selling at a reasonable price months ago. Now he is still running at a loss with a rapidly depreciating commodity
And this is where it is both baffling and worrying.
Baffling as surely Dushitelet does not want to lose the increasing millions he seemingly is.
Worrying that he seems to be able to afford to lose this money.
Sad times.
That’s always been the biggest fear I had he is rich enough to say screw you I don’t care
Like was said yesterday sell the club for 10 mil less or lose 10 mil over the season what’s the difference to him
If he waits another year couldn’t he end up losing £10m on running the club AND sell for £10m less?
Yep he could but he doesn’t seem to give two shits about that does he
And this is what doesn't make sense. If he had sold in January for a few million less than he wanted he would not have needed to cover the losses for the past 6-7 months. If the £1m a month figure is anywhere near accurate he could have taken £5m off the asking price and still been in pocket compared to now.
He stands to lose even more money the longer this goes on. Duchatelet is not a stupid man, but why does he constantly seem to give the impression he is.
If the Aussies didn't have the money in January he didn't have a buyer.
I think your right and at the same time he will sell anything and anyone that has value to fund the day to day losses
Asset stripping is not asset stripping if it’s covering running costs
It feels like it is to us as fans but he is running it as a business and the sales are cash flow
It sucks but I don’t see anything to fault in your post
asset stripping is asset stripping. if i told you i had a ferrari for 100k then decided to take all of the interior ans engine out before you turn up to buy, how can i ask for the same money if its basically a lump of metal with a flash horse badge?
We know how much his monthly losses are all he is doing is selling to cover the running costs it’s not asset stripping
He could have reduced his running costs by selling at a reasonable price months ago. Now he is still running at a loss with a rapidly depreciating commodity
And this is where it is both baffling and worrying.
Baffling as surely Dushitelet does not want to lose the increasing millions he seemingly is.
Worrying that he seems to be able to afford to lose this money.
Sad times.
That’s always been the biggest fear I had he is rich enough to say screw you I don’t care
Like was said yesterday sell the club for 10 mil less or lose 10 mil over the season what’s the difference to him
If he waits another year couldn’t he end up losing £10m on running the club AND sell for £10m less?
Yep he could but he doesn’t seem to give two shits about that does he
I think your right and at the same time he will sell anything and anyone that has value to fund the day to day losses
Asset stripping is not asset stripping if it’s covering running costs
It feels like it is to us as fans but he is running it as a business and the sales are cash flow
It sucks but I don’t see anything to fault in your post
asset stripping is asset stripping. if i told you i had a ferrari for 100k then decided to take all of the interior ans engine out before you turn up to buy, how can i ask for the same money if its basically a lump of metal with a flash horse badge?
We know how much his monthly losses are all he is doing is selling to cover the running costs it’s not asset stripping
True, it's not exactly asset stripping. That would be selling assets to to trouser the cash. What he's doing is just as bad and unsustainable. Charlton is being made to eat itself just to keep going. He's selling assets just to meet running costs. There's no future in selling your TV and furniture to try and pay your monthly bills.
Maybe we could claim a new word in readiness for the next edition of the Oxford English Dictionary.
" Douchtripping" ....Present participle of verb "douchtrip"
1...Act of removing ducktape used to repair shoes in order to delay necessary purchase (NB A custom uniquely used by Belgian eccentrics)
2...Act of plundering, pillaging, ravaging, laying bare the emotions of loyal "customers" without any vestige of conscience.
3...Act of stripping down, dismantling, demolishing, piece by piece a respected institution by someone with no previous experience of the model.
4...Act of depriving good, honest persons of their pride in said institution by reducing it to a shell of its former self.
Finally, scholars have argued whether "douchtripping" may be used legitimately to describe the sale of assets for profit but agreement has now been reached to revisit the issue in the future when the examination of historical evidence will clarify the issue.
Fuck me, is this what it's come to - people arguing about whether the old fucker is asset stripping or not?
The font of all knowledge that is Wikipedia (I know) says this:
Asset stripping is a term used to refer to the practice of selling off a company's assets in order to improve returns for equity investors. With a lower level of assets, it is maintained, the business is rendered financially less stable or viable.
Certainly sounds like it to me. Reducing liabilities = improving returns for equity investors, and we only have one of those.
But either way, it matters not. There is quite clearly only one person to blame for the current 4+ year shitfest we are enduring and to suggest there is even a morsel of blame falling elsewhere, quite frankly, comes across as pie in the sky heatwave induced jibbering bollocks.
I don’t think anyone anywhere has suggested there is anyone to blame than RD for all of this
If it turns out that the Aussies made false bids in order to secure the club without having the funds in place that imo is nothing to do with the situation we have with RD but is well worthy of discussion debate and criticism
WTF????
They don’t have the money so why out bid people who do there are questions that need to be asked
And they have never had the money
So you say. Without ever having presented a shred of evidence or even a hint of what source you might have for this assertion. Not even in private. No answer to the proposition that no sane businessman "has the money" when that fuckwit is asking for money that has no rational business basis.
And then you write
"I don’t think anyone anywhere has suggested there is anyone to blame than RD for all of this "
I have a lot of respect for you, as you know, and I also know you have good contacts, but unless you can stand this shit up, you are not doing us any favours. We need to get this poison out of our club, rather than poison the ground for the new owners.
Is there nothing in what John Solako said on love sport radio? He seemed pretty convinced that whoever he was talking to has crazy amounts of money and huge ideas to push the club forward, be it moving to the Peninsula. Seemed to want to speak to them again soon regarding this amazing business plan they had for us. Although, he did seem to be quite clueless as to how bad the state of Charlton currently is and has been for the last few years.
Fuck me, is this what it's come to - people arguing about whether the old fucker is asset stripping or not?
The font of all knowledge that is Wikipedia (I know) says this:
Asset stripping is a term used to refer to the practice of selling off a company's assets in order to improve returns for equity investors. With a lower level of assets, it is maintained, the business is rendered financially less stable or viable.
Certainly sounds like it to me. Reducing liabilities = improving returns for equity investors, and we only have one of those.
But either way, it matters not. There is quite clearly only one person to blame for the current 4+ year shitfest we are enduring and to suggest there is even a morsel of blame falling elsewhere, quite frankly, comes across as pie in the sky heatwave induced jibbering bollocks.
I don’t think anyone anywhere has suggested there is anyone to blame than RD for all of this
If it turns out that the Aussies made false bids in order to secure the club without having the funds in place that imo is nothing to do with the situation we have with RD but is well worthy of discussion debate and criticism
WTF????
They don’t have the money so why out bid people who do there are questions that need to be asked
And they have never had the money
Not according to the Club who said in their statement that the Aussies had the funds. Do you have proof to the contrary?
Fuck me, is this what it's come to - people arguing about whether the old fucker is asset stripping or not?
The font of all knowledge that is Wikipedia (I know) says this:
Asset stripping is a term used to refer to the practice of selling off a company's assets in order to improve returns for equity investors. With a lower level of assets, it is maintained, the business is rendered financially less stable or viable.
Certainly sounds like it to me. Reducing liabilities = improving returns for equity investors, and we only have one of those.
But either way, it matters not. There is quite clearly only one person to blame for the current 4+ year shitfest we are enduring and to suggest there is even a morsel of blame falling elsewhere, quite frankly, comes across as pie in the sky heatwave induced jibbering bollocks.
I don’t think anyone anywhere has suggested there is anyone to blame than RD for all of this
If it turns out that the Aussies made false bids in order to secure the club without having the funds in place that imo is nothing to do with the situation we have with RD but is well worthy of discussion debate and criticism
WTF????
They don’t have the money so why out bid people who do there are questions that need to be asked
And they have never had the money
Not according to the Club who said in their statement that the Aussies had the funds. Do you have proof to the contrary?
A year ago their website stated they were seeking investors.
The SLP reported this week they are seeking investors.
They tried to drop the price at the last minute, hoping RD would accept as he had no other options.
All 3 facts have been well reported in tbe press, 2+2+2 is not 7.
Fuck me, is this what it's come to - people arguing about whether the old fucker is asset stripping or not?
The font of all knowledge that is Wikipedia (I know) says this:
Asset stripping is a term used to refer to the practice of selling off a company's assets in order to improve returns for equity investors. With a lower level of assets, it is maintained, the business is rendered financially less stable or viable.
Certainly sounds like it to me. Reducing liabilities = improving returns for equity investors, and we only have one of those.
But either way, it matters not. There is quite clearly only one person to blame for the current 4+ year shitfest we are enduring and to suggest there is even a morsel of blame falling elsewhere, quite frankly, comes across as pie in the sky heatwave induced jibbering bollocks.
I don’t think anyone anywhere has suggested there is anyone to blame than RD for all of this
If it turns out that the Aussies made false bids in order to secure the club without having the funds in place that imo is nothing to do with the situation we have with RD but is well worthy of discussion debate and criticism
WTF????
They don’t have the money so why out bid people who do there are questions that need to be asked
And they have never had the money
So you say. Without ever having presented a shred of evidence or even a hint of what source you might have for this assertion.
That's simply not true, sources have been named on this very thread.
It feels like the whole thing is off and we're further away than we've been for some time now.
Surely time to sink this thread and have separate threads for did the Aussies ever have the funds etc and maybe resurrect this thread when genuine takeover rumours surface?
I think your right and at the same time he will sell anything and anyone that has value to fund the day to day losses
Asset stripping is not asset stripping if it’s covering running costs
It feels like it is to us as fans but he is running it as a business and the sales are cash flow
It sucks but I don’t see anything to fault in your post
asset stripping is asset stripping. if i told you i had a ferrari for 100k then decided to take all of the interior ans engine out before you turn up to buy, how can i ask for the same money if its basically a lump of metal with a flash horse badge?
We know how much his monthly losses are all he is doing is selling to cover the running costs it’s not asset stripping
True, it's not exactly asset stripping. That would be selling assets to to trouser the cash. What he's doing is just as bad and unsustainable. Charlton is being made to eat itself just to keep going. He's selling assets just to meet running costs. There's no future in selling your TV and furniture to try and pay your monthly bills.
Maybe we could claim a new word in readiness for the next edition of the Oxford English Dictionary.
" Douchtripping" ....Present participle of verb "douchtrip"
1...Act of removing ducktape used to repair shoes in order to delay necessary purchase (NB A custom uniquely used by Belgian eccentrics)
2...Act of plundering, pillaging, ravaging, laying bare the emotions of loyal "customers" without any vestige of conscience.
3...Act of stripping down, dismantling, demolishing, piece by piece a respected institution by someone with no previous experience of the model.
4...Act of depriving good, honest persons of their pride in said institution by reducing it to a shell of its former self.
Finally, scholars have argued whether "douchtripping" may be used legitimately to describe the sale of assets for profit but agreement has now been reached to revisit the issue in the future when the examination of historical evidence will clarify the issue.
5...A portmanteau word comprised of the shortened version of the modern vernacular insult, douchebag, and the present participle of trip, as in 'Hey, did you see that douche-tripping'?
Fuck me, is this what it's come to - people arguing about whether the old fucker is asset stripping or not?
The font of all knowledge that is Wikipedia (I know) says this:
Asset stripping is a term used to refer to the practice of selling off a company's assets in order to improve returns for equity investors. With a lower level of assets, it is maintained, the business is rendered financially less stable or viable.
Certainly sounds like it to me. Reducing liabilities = improving returns for equity investors, and we only have one of those.
But either way, it matters not. There is quite clearly only one person to blame for the current 4+ year shitfest we are enduring and to suggest there is even a morsel of blame falling elsewhere, quite frankly, comes across as pie in the sky heatwave induced jibbering bollocks.
I don’t think anyone anywhere has suggested there is anyone to blame than RD for all of this
If it turns out that the Aussies made false bids in order to secure the club without having the funds in place that imo is nothing to do with the situation we have with RD but is well worthy of discussion debate and criticism
WTF????
They don’t have the money so why out bid people who do there are questions that need to be asked
And they have never had the money
I like reading your posts but find it hard to understand what you are saying. Please help everyone by using full stops and commas!
The man is a walking ego. Simple as that. He owns football clubs because he can. When they "Don't work" he leaves. Clearly, his understanding of Football/Value is zero, and this is what is ultimately holding things up. He has no concept of finance in football and thats why we may end up stuck with him. He's deluded.
Hopefully, our guys will ensure that this finds it’s way into the Belgian press.
A truly shocking revelation about halving Joe Aribo’s contract offer:
“Now, the only sellable young player left is 22-year-old midfielder Joe Aribo. The club is not doing a good job of keeping him. Charlton offered Aribo a new contract at the start of the summer, changed their minds, and offered him half as much money instead. Other players have gone through the same process. Aribo has Duchatelet has relied in the past on selling academy players to stem Charlton’s losses: they got £3.5m for Joe Gomez in 2015, £8m that could rise to £11m for Ademola Lookman in 2017. Now, the only sellable young player left is 22-year-old midfielder Joe Aribo. The club is not doing a good job of keeping him. Charlton offered Aribo a new contract at the start of the summer, changed their minds, and offered him half as much money instead. Other players have gone through the same process. Aribo has just one year left now and if Charlton were offered close to £1m – Southampton and Derby County are interested – they would sell.“
I think we need to assemble on Blackheath Common next Saturday - Wat Tyler style - and march to the Valley with pitchforks and flaming torches.
If any championship scouts were watching that game yesterday, i feel pretty confident they'd think 1m was well worth the risk. Could well be a bargain in todays market.
I don't expect him to have a career at the very top level but i think a few clubs would see him as being worth a gamble.
If the contract offer thing is true (and with RD i'm quite sure it is) then who would blame him for fucking off. I won't be at all surprised if he's sold this week.
Hopefully, our guys will ensure that this finds it’s way into the Belgian press.
A truly shocking revelation about halving Joe Aribo’s contract offer:
“Now, the only sellable young player left is 22-year-old midfielder Joe Aribo. The club is not doing a good job of keeping him. Charlton offered Aribo a new contract at the start of the summer, changed their minds, and offered him half as much money instead. Other players have gone through the same process. Aribo has Duchatelet has relied in the past on selling academy players to stem Charlton’s losses: they got £3.5m for Joe Gomez in 2015, £8m that could rise to £11m for Ademola Lookman in 2017. Now, the only sellable young player left is 22-year-old midfielder Joe Aribo. The club is not doing a good job of keeping him. Charlton offered Aribo a new contract at the start of the summer, changed their minds, and offered him half as much money instead. Other players have gone through the same process. Aribo has just one year left now and if Charlton were offered close to £1m – Southampton and Derby County are interested – they would sell.“
I think we need to assemble on Blackheath Common next Saturday - Wat Tyler style - and march to the Valley with pitchforks and flaming torches.
If any championship scouts were watching that game yesterday, i feel pretty confident they'd think 1m was well worth the risk. Could well be a bargain in todays market.
I don't expect him to have a career at the very top level but i think a few clubs would see him as being worth a gamble.
If the contract offer thing is true (and with RD i'm quite sure it is) then who would blame him for fucking off. I won't be at all surprised if he's sold this week.
Some of the flicks and tricks from him yesterday made me think he was playing for a move and as you say, who could blame him.
Fuck me, is this what it's come to - people arguing about whether the old fucker is asset stripping or not?
The font of all knowledge that is Wikipedia (I know) says this:
Asset stripping is a term used to refer to the practice of selling off a company's assets in order to improve returns for equity investors. With a lower level of assets, it is maintained, the business is rendered financially less stable or viable.
Certainly sounds like it to me. Reducing liabilities = improving returns for equity investors, and we only have one of those.
But either way, it matters not. There is quite clearly only one person to blame for the current 4+ year shitfest we are enduring and to suggest there is even a morsel of blame falling elsewhere, quite frankly, comes across as pie in the sky heatwave induced jibbering bollocks.
I don’t think anyone anywhere has suggested there is anyone to blame than RD for all of this
If it turns out that the Aussies made false bids in order to secure the club without having the funds in place that imo is nothing to do with the situation we have with RD but is well worthy of discussion debate and criticism
WTF????
They don’t have the money so why out bid people who do there are questions that need to be asked
And they have never had the money
So you say. Without ever having presented a shred of evidence or even a hint of what source you might have for this assertion.
That's simply not true, sources have been named on this very thread.
I genuinely cannot recall anything that could remotely be described as "evidence" presented here by anyone, let alone NLA Since there is no confirmation of the price RD is asking, it would be a tad tough to provide any reliable evidence that any party " "doesn't have" the money, as opposed to being unwilling to pay it.
If you re read my post carefully you may also detect that NLA and I know each other well enough to have cordial and civil private conversations, but unfortunately even those did not yield the concrete basis for his assertions nor any clue to why he feels his sources are authoritative. I was genuinely interested to become better informed, but he was unable to assist me.
Fuck me, is this what it's come to - people arguing about whether the old fucker is asset stripping or not?
The font of all knowledge that is Wikipedia (I know) says this:
Asset stripping is a term used to refer to the practice of selling off a company's assets in order to improve returns for equity investors. With a lower level of assets, it is maintained, the business is rendered financially less stable or viable.
Certainly sounds like it to me. Reducing liabilities = improving returns for equity investors, and we only have one of those.
But either way, it matters not. There is quite clearly only one person to blame for the current 4+ year shitfest we are enduring and to suggest there is even a morsel of blame falling elsewhere, quite frankly, comes across as pie in the sky heatwave induced jibbering bollocks.
I don’t think anyone anywhere has suggested there is anyone to blame than RD for all of this
If it turns out that the Aussies made false bids in order to secure the club without having the funds in place that imo is nothing to do with the situation we have with RD but is well worthy of discussion debate and criticism
WTF????
They don’t have the money so why out bid people who do there are questions that need to be asked
And they have never had the money
nla......your assertion has always struck me as slightly misleading. What ‘exactly’ do you mean....... as in “don’t have the money?” What you are saying (I guess), is that as a consortium set up they haven’t found the required amount of financing from enough backers to spread the costs. I say this because Muir alone easily has the finance to come up with in order to fly solo if he so wished.....so what you should really be saying is that they(in the shape of Muir alone), do have the money but are simply not prepared to spend it on Goldfingers unrealistic asking price. Your continually saying they (Muir) don’t have the money is therefore somewhat inaccurate........they most certainly DO have the money but are they prepared to stump up with it.......it would seem that for one reason or another they aren’t. It’s a moot point I know, but for the sake of clarity you must understand that when you continue to say they don’t have the money it’s somewhat misleading. Well it is to me anyway.
Fuck me, is this what it's come to - people arguing about whether the old fucker is asset stripping or not?
The font of all knowledge that is Wikipedia (I know) says this:
Asset stripping is a term used to refer to the practice of selling off a company's assets in order to improve returns for equity investors. With a lower level of assets, it is maintained, the business is rendered financially less stable or viable.
Certainly sounds like it to me. Reducing liabilities = improving returns for equity investors, and we only have one of those.
But either way, it matters not. There is quite clearly only one person to blame for the current 4+ year shitfest we are enduring and to suggest there is even a morsel of blame falling elsewhere, quite frankly, comes across as pie in the sky heatwave induced jibbering bollocks.
I don’t think anyone anywhere has suggested there is anyone to blame than RD for all of this
If it turns out that the Aussies made false bids in order to secure the club without having the funds in place that imo is nothing to do with the situation we have with RD but is well worthy of discussion debate and criticism
WTF????
They don’t have the money so why out bid people who do there are questions that need to be asked
And they have never had the money
Your continually saying they (Muir) don’t have the money is therefore somewhat inaccurate........they most certainly DO have the money but are they prepared to stump up with it.......it would seem that for one reason or another they aren’t. It’s a mute point I know, but for the sake of clarity you must understand that when you continue to say they don’t have the money it’s somewhat misleading.
Think you mean 'moot' point mate as opposed to 'mute'.
Fuck me, is this what it's come to - people arguing about whether the old fucker is asset stripping or not?
The font of all knowledge that is Wikipedia (I know) says this:
Asset stripping is a term used to refer to the practice of selling off a company's assets in order to improve returns for equity investors. With a lower level of assets, it is maintained, the business is rendered financially less stable or viable.
Certainly sounds like it to me. Reducing liabilities = improving returns for equity investors, and we only have one of those.
But either way, it matters not. There is quite clearly only one person to blame for the current 4+ year shitfest we are enduring and to suggest there is even a morsel of blame falling elsewhere, quite frankly, comes across as pie in the sky heatwave induced jibbering bollocks.
I don’t think anyone anywhere has suggested there is anyone to blame than RD for all of this
If it turns out that the Aussies made false bids in order to secure the club without having the funds in place that imo is nothing to do with the situation we have with RD but is well worthy of discussion debate and criticism
WTF????
They don’t have the money so why out bid people who do there are questions that need to be asked
And they have never had the money
Your continually saying they (Muir) don’t have the money is therefore somewhat inaccurate........they most certainly DO have the money but are they prepared to stump up with it.......it would seem that for one reason or another they aren’t. It’s a mute point I know, but for the sake of clarity you must understand that when you continue to say they don’t have the money it’s somewhat misleading.
Think you mean 'moot' point mate as opposed to 'mute'.
Fuck me, is this what it's come to - people arguing about whether the old fucker is asset stripping or not?
The font of all knowledge that is Wikipedia (I know) says this:
Asset stripping is a term used to refer to the practice of selling off a company's assets in order to improve returns for equity investors. With a lower level of assets, it is maintained, the business is rendered financially less stable or viable.
Certainly sounds like it to me. Reducing liabilities = improving returns for equity investors, and we only have one of those.
But either way, it matters not. There is quite clearly only one person to blame for the current 4+ year shitfest we are enduring and to suggest there is even a morsel of blame falling elsewhere, quite frankly, comes across as pie in the sky heatwave induced jibbering bollocks.
I don’t think anyone anywhere has suggested there is anyone to blame than RD for all of this
If it turns out that the Aussies made false bids in order to secure the club without having the funds in place that imo is nothing to do with the situation we have with RD but is well worthy of discussion debate and criticism
WTF????
They don’t have the money so why out bid people who do there are questions that need to be asked
And they have never had the money
Your continually saying they (Muir) don’t have the money is therefore somewhat inaccurate........they most certainly DO have the money but are they prepared to stump up with it.......it would seem that for one reason or another they aren’t. It’s a mute point I know, but for the sake of clarity you must understand that when you continue to say they don’t have the money it’s somewhat misleading.
Think you mean 'moot' point mate as opposed to 'mute'.
@PragueAddick go and ask the person who wrote the SLP article
The club has said many things all from the mouth of a liar or multiple liars
I have said on here where I got told the aussies had no money
It was laughed at because it came from the RD side
GM told James seed there was still two that needed to sign off
Now the fact the Aussies are again still being reported to be searching for investors and the deal is in real jeopardy and Keith harris is actively working on resolving
There are still those that wish to believe a statement from known liars
Richard Murray could tell me that today is sunday and my name is darren
I would still check the calendar and my driving licence
This whole dirty sorry saga has been going on here since October 2017 we are two months from a year
Instead of asking me where the evidence is to substantiate my claim that they don’t have it or have never had it
The real question should be prove that they have
When their own side is taking about still looking for investors 10 months later
I think my proof has been substantiated
Roland has screwed this great club to the floor by its balls and will continue to do so
Two possibly 3 parties have tickled his ego valuation enough for him to believe he is right
His valuation however absurd you or I may think it is people are looking and biting his hook
Something never sat right with me about the Aussie bid and I will be honest and happy to be proved wrong about them and we will only know should they have somehow found the funds since harris let out his snitbit
So from here on in it’s not me having to justify my posts mine have been proven right
It’s for the Aussies to put up or shut up stay or walk simple as
But all the time they are hanging around without completing it’s a black cloud not a silver lines one
Fuck me, is this what it's come to - people arguing about whether the old fucker is asset stripping or not?
The font of all knowledge that is Wikipedia (I know) says this:
Asset stripping is a term used to refer to the practice of selling off a company's assets in order to improve returns for equity investors. With a lower level of assets, it is maintained, the business is rendered financially less stable or viable.
Certainly sounds like it to me. Reducing liabilities = improving returns for equity investors, and we only have one of those.
But either way, it matters not. There is quite clearly only one person to blame for the current 4+ year shitfest we are enduring and to suggest there is even a morsel of blame falling elsewhere, quite frankly, comes across as pie in the sky heatwave induced jibbering bollocks.
I don’t think anyone anywhere has suggested there is anyone to blame than RD for all of this
If it turns out that the Aussies made false bids in order to secure the club without having the funds in place that imo is nothing to do with the situation we have with RD but is well worthy of discussion debate and criticism
WTF????
They don’t have the money so why out bid people who do there are questions that need to be asked
And they have never had the money
Your continually saying they (Muir) don’t have the money is therefore somewhat inaccurate........they most certainly DO have the money but are they prepared to stump up with it.......it would seem that for one reason or another they aren’t. It’s a mute point I know, but for the sake of clarity you must understand that when you continue to say they don’t have the money it’s somewhat misleading.
Think you mean 'moot' point mate as opposed to 'mute'.
Fuck me, is this what it's come to - people arguing about whether the old fucker is asset stripping or not?
The font of all knowledge that is Wikipedia (I know) says this:
Asset stripping is a term used to refer to the practice of selling off a company's assets in order to improve returns for equity investors. With a lower level of assets, it is maintained, the business is rendered financially less stable or viable.
Certainly sounds like it to me. Reducing liabilities = improving returns for equity investors, and we only have one of those.
But either way, it matters not. There is quite clearly only one person to blame for the current 4+ year shitfest we are enduring and to suggest there is even a morsel of blame falling elsewhere, quite frankly, comes across as pie in the sky heatwave induced jibbering bollocks.
I don’t think anyone anywhere has suggested there is anyone to blame than RD for all of this
If it turns out that the Aussies made false bids in order to secure the club without having the funds in place that imo is nothing to do with the situation we have with RD but is well worthy of discussion debate and criticism
WTF????
They don’t have the money so why out bid people who do there are questions that need to be asked
And they have never had the money
nla......your assertion has always struck me as slightly misleading. What ‘exactly’ do you mean....... as in “don’t have the money?” What you are saying (I guess), is that as a consortium set up they haven’t found the required amount of financing from enough backers to spread the costs. I say this because Muir alone easily has the finance to come up with in order to fly solo if he so wished.....so what you should really be saying is that they(in the shape of Muir alone), do have the money but are simply not prepared to spend it on Goldfingers unrealistic asking price. Your continually saying they (Muir) don’t have the money is therefore somewhat inaccurate........they most certainly DO have the money but are they prepared to stump up with it.......it would seem that for one reason or another they aren’t. It’s a moot point I know, but for the sake of clarity you must understand that when you continue to say they don’t have the money it’s somewhat misleading. Well it is to me anyway.
One of their investors has the money personally to do it all but chooses not to
The consortium it’s self does not have the money in place to purchase the club
@PragueAddick go and ask the person who wrote the SLP article
The club has said many things all from the mouth of a liar or multiple liars
I have said on here where I got told the aussies had no money
It was laughed at because it came from the RD side
GM told James seed there was still two that needed to sign off
Now the fact the Aussies are again still being reported to be searching for investors and the deal is in real jeopardy and Keith harris is actively working on resolving
There are still those that wish to believe a statement from known liars
Richard Murray could tell me that today is sunday and my name is darren
I would still check the calendar and my driving licence
This whole dirty sorry saga has been going on here since October 2017 we are two months from a year
Instead of asking me where the evidence is to substantiate my claim that they don’t have it or have never had it
The real question should be prove that they have
When their own side is taking about still looking for investors 10 months later
I think my proof has been substantiated
Roland has screwed this great club to the floor by its balls and will continue to do so
Two possibly 3 parties have tickled his ego valuation enough for him to believe he is right
His valuation however absurd you or I may think it is people are looking and biting his hook
Something never sat right with me about the Aussie bid and I will be honest and happy to be proved wrong about them and we will only know should they have somehow found the funds since harris let out his snitbit
So from here on in it’s not me having to justify my posts mine have been proven right
It’s for the Aussies to put up or shut up stay or walk simple as
But all the time they are hanging around without completing it’s a black cloud not a silver lines one
Do you or do you not concede that Andrew Muir has the wherewithal to purchase the club if he so wished.....either as an individual or by raising his stake in the consortium?
Fuck me, is this what it's come to - people arguing about whether the old fucker is asset stripping or not?
The font of all knowledge that is Wikipedia (I know) says this:
Asset stripping is a term used to refer to the practice of selling off a company's assets in order to improve returns for equity investors. With a lower level of assets, it is maintained, the business is rendered financially less stable or viable.
Certainly sounds like it to me. Reducing liabilities = improving returns for equity investors, and we only have one of those.
But either way, it matters not. There is quite clearly only one person to blame for the current 4+ year shitfest we are enduring and to suggest there is even a morsel of blame falling elsewhere, quite frankly, comes across as pie in the sky heatwave induced jibbering bollocks.
I don’t think anyone anywhere has suggested there is anyone to blame than RD for all of this
If it turns out that the Aussies made false bids in order to secure the club without having the funds in place that imo is nothing to do with the situation we have with RD but is well worthy of discussion debate and criticism
WTF????
They don’t have the money so why out bid people who do there are questions that need to be asked
And they have never had the money
nla......your assertion has always struck me as slightly misleading. What ‘exactly’ do you mean....... as in “don’t have the money?” What you are saying (I guess), is that as a consortium set up they haven’t found the required amount of financing from enough backers to spread the costs. I say this because Muir alone easily has the finance to come up with in order to fly solo if he so wished.....so what you should really be saying is that they(in the shape of Muir alone), do have the money but are simply not prepared to spend it on Goldfingers unrealistic asking price. Your continually saying they (Muir) don’t have the money is therefore somewhat inaccurate........they most certainly DO have the money but are they prepared to stump up with it.......it would seem that for one reason or another they aren’t. It’s a moot point I know, but for the sake of clarity you must understand that when you continue to say they don’t have the money it’s somewhat misleading. Well it is to me anyway.
One of their investors has the money personally to do it all but chooses not to
The consortium it’s self does not have the money in place to purchase the club
Agreed. It's not the wealth of the bidders, rather their willingness to part with some of that wealth.
And your name is Cedric and it's Friday - proof if it was needed that Uncle Dickie is a pathological liar.
It’s like my crypto currency investments. I know I’m doing my arse, I’m bored with it and i’m only going to lose more money by not selling but I’m hanging on in there as I refuse to sell until I get my investment back. The difference is I need the money, duchbag don’t!
but there comes a time when you either sell at a loss & recoup something or accept that you've lost it all & walk away.
As it stands, RD is losing money as every month passes, and the longer he leaves it his "commodity" is worth less & less. We sure ain't worth £40m now as the season starts (injured players/no investment in new players /no young talent to sell), will be worth less in a weeks time when the transfer window ends ( new owner can't invest for 4 months) and will be worth a lot less in League 2.
As it stands the Aussies are also losing money as they now need to spend more than they would have had to do 3 months ago to make us competitive as players have been sold & other now injured (yes, players might have got injured under their watch, but we will never know & we do know 100% now that JFC needs replacing).
shit for brains the lot of them.
Yes, but the Aussies can avoid losses by simply not buying. RD is stuck with ownership, and seems unable to see that his ongoing business plan is demolishing the value of an asset he can't seem to sell. I'm not convinced he's immune to the losses either. Charlton is like an albatross round his neck, but he lacks the intelligence (or is suffocated by his ego) to see clinging on is not going to make things better.
It’s like my crypto currency investments. I know I’m doing my arse, I’m bored with it and i’m only going to lose more money by not selling but I’m hanging on in there as I refuse to sell until I get my investment back. The difference is I need the money, duchbag don’t!
but there comes a time when you either sell at a loss & recoup something or accept that you've lost it all & walk away.
As it stands, RD is losing money as every month passes, and the longer he leaves it his "commodity" is worth less & less. We sure ain't worth £40m now as the season starts (injured players/no investment in new players /no young talent to sell), will be worth less in a weeks time when the transfer window ends ( new owner can't invest for 4 months) and will be worth a lot less in League 2.
As it stands the Aussies are also losing money as they now need to spend more than they would have had to do 3 months ago to make us competitive as players have been sold & other now injured (yes, players might have got injured under their watch, but we will never know & we do know 100% now that JFC needs replacing).
shit for brains the lot of them.
Yes, but the Aussies can avoid losses by simply not buying. RD is stuck with ownership, and seems unable to see that his ongoing business plan is demolishing the value of an asset he can't seem to sell. I'm not convinced he's immune to the losses either. Charlton is like an albatross round his neck, but he lacks the intelligence (or is suffocated by his ego) to see clinging on is not going to make things better.
Or he could simply be being vengeful.......I wonder?
Fuck me, is this what it's come to - people arguing about whether the old fucker is asset stripping or not?
The font of all knowledge that is Wikipedia (I know) says this:
Asset stripping is a term used to refer to the practice of selling off a company's assets in order to improve returns for equity investors. With a lower level of assets, it is maintained, the business is rendered financially less stable or viable.
Certainly sounds like it to me. Reducing liabilities = improving returns for equity investors, and we only have one of those.
But either way, it matters not. There is quite clearly only one person to blame for the current 4+ year shitfest we are enduring and to suggest there is even a morsel of blame falling elsewhere, quite frankly, comes across as pie in the sky heatwave induced jibbering bollocks.
I don’t think anyone anywhere has suggested there is anyone to blame than RD for all of this
If it turns out that the Aussies made false bids in order to secure the club without having the funds in place that imo is nothing to do with the situation we have with RD but is well worthy of discussion debate and criticism
WTF????
They don’t have the money so why out bid people who do there are questions that need to be asked
And they have never had the money
nla......your assertion has always struck me as slightly misleading. What ‘exactly’ do you mean....... as in “don’t have the money?” What you are saying (I guess), is that as a consortium set up they haven’t found the required amount of financing from enough backers to spread the costs. I say this because Muir alone easily has the finance to come up with in order to fly solo if he so wished.....so what you should really be saying is that they(in the shape of Muir alone), do have the money but are simply not prepared to spend it on Goldfingers unrealistic asking price. Your continually saying they (Muir) don’t have the money is therefore somewhat inaccurate........they most certainly DO have the money but are they prepared to stump up with it.......it would seem that for one reason or another they aren’t. It’s a moot point I know, but for the sake of clarity you must understand that when you continue to say they don’t have the money it’s somewhat misleading. Well it is to me anyway.
One of their investors has the money personally to do it all but chooses not to
The consortium it’s self does not have the money in place to purchase the club
So......they in fact DO have the money......sorry to be pedantic nla, but I believe it to be a valid point.
Fuck me, is this what it's come to - people arguing about whether the old fucker is asset stripping or not?
The font of all knowledge that is Wikipedia (I know) says this:
Asset stripping is a term used to refer to the practice of selling off a company's assets in order to improve returns for equity investors. With a lower level of assets, it is maintained, the business is rendered financially less stable or viable.
Certainly sounds like it to me. Reducing liabilities = improving returns for equity investors, and we only have one of those.
But either way, it matters not. There is quite clearly only one person to blame for the current 4+ year shitfest we are enduring and to suggest there is even a morsel of blame falling elsewhere, quite frankly, comes across as pie in the sky heatwave induced jibbering bollocks.
I don’t think anyone anywhere has suggested there is anyone to blame than RD for all of this
If it turns out that the Aussies made false bids in order to secure the club without having the funds in place that imo is nothing to do with the situation we have with RD but is well worthy of discussion debate and criticism
WTF????
They don’t have the money so why out bid people who do there are questions that need to be asked
And they have never had the money
nla......your assertion has always struck me as slightly misleading. What ‘exactly’ do you mean....... as in “don’t have the money?” What you are saying (I guess), is that as a consortium set up they haven’t found the required amount of financing from enough backers to spread the costs. I say this because Muir alone easily has the finance to come up with in order to fly solo if he so wished.....so what you should really be saying is that they(in the shape of Muir alone), do have the money but are simply not prepared to spend it on Goldfingers unrealistic asking price. Your continually saying they (Muir) don’t have the money is therefore somewhat inaccurate........they most certainly DO have the money but are they prepared to stump up with it.......it would seem that for one reason or another they aren’t. It’s a moot point I know, but for the sake of clarity you must understand that when you continue to say they don’t have the money it’s somewhat misleading. Well it is to me anyway.
One of their investors has the money personally to do it all but chooses not to
The consortium it’s self does not have the money in place to purchase the club
So......they in fact DO have the money......sorry to be pedantic nla, but I believe it to be a valid point.
Muir is only willing to be a minority shareholder, The consortium trying to buy the club clearly does not have the money, whatever individuals paying into the pot may have individually. Also a lot of Andrew Muir's wealth is bound up in the Muir Family.
@PragueAddick go and ask the person who wrote the SLP article
The club has said many things all from the mouth of a liar or multiple liars
I have said on here where I got told the aussies had no money
It was laughed at because it came from the RD side
GM told James seed there was still two that needed to sign off
Now the fact the Aussies are again still being reported to be searching for investors and the deal is in real jeopardy and Keith harris is actively working on resolving
There are still those that wish to believe a statement from known liars
Richard Murray could tell me that today is sunday and my name is darren
I would still check the calendar and my driving licence
This whole dirty sorry saga has been going on here since October 2017 we are two months from a year
Instead of asking me where the evidence is to substantiate my claim that they don’t have it or have never had it
The real question should be prove that they have
When their own side is taking about still looking for investors 10 months later
I think my proof has been substantiated
Roland has screwed this great club to the floor by its balls and will continue to do so
Two possibly 3 parties have tickled his ego valuation enough for him to believe he is right
His valuation however absurd you or I may think it is people are looking and biting his hook
Something never sat right with me about the Aussie bid and I will be honest and happy to be proved wrong about them and we will only know should they have somehow found the funds since harris let out his snitbit
So from here on in it’s not me having to justify my posts mine have been proven right
It’s for the Aussies to put up or shut up stay or walk simple as
But all the time they are hanging around without completing it’s a black cloud not a silver lines one
Do you or do you not concede that Andrew Muir has the wherewithal to purchase the club if he so wished.....either as an individual or by raising his stake in the consortium?
I have answered that question so many times on here
One of their investors has a personal wealth to buy us on his own but chooses not too
We are not talking about Andrew Muir as a single entity we are talking about a consortium he is part of and right now we don’t know if he alone is holding is 10% 50% 85% of that consortium
I have to apologise to @nth london addick to the extent that I asserted he did not share with me privately his sources, he did tell me a fair bit back in June, and quite reasonably he would not have wanted to say more in public. But those sources have not been used elsewhere to the best of my knowledge. They were the result of coincidences that sometimes happen.
That said, I'm still concerned that he is making suppositions about the state of play rather than being able to be sure enough to assert that "the Aussies don't have the money" and that's the subject of a further private discussion.
Separately, to ward off the rather tiresome insinuations I see surfacing here again, I would like to mention that neither I nor any of my close Charlton buddies have had any private conversation with Richard Murray since early January.
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" Douchtripping" ....Present participle of verb "douchtrip"
1...Act of removing ducktape used to repair shoes in order to delay necessary purchase (NB A custom uniquely used by
Belgian eccentrics)
2...Act of plundering, pillaging, ravaging, laying bare the emotions of loyal "customers" without any vestige of
conscience.
3...Act of stripping down, dismantling, demolishing, piece by piece a respected institution by someone with no previous
experience of the model.
4...Act of depriving good, honest persons of their pride in said institution by reducing it to a shell of its former self.
Finally, scholars have argued whether "douchtripping" may be used legitimately to describe the sale of assets for profit but agreement has now been reached to revisit the issue in the future when the examination of historical evidence will clarify the issue.
So you say. Without ever having presented a shred of evidence or even a hint of what source you might have for this assertion. Not even in private. No answer to the proposition that no sane businessman "has the money" when that fuckwit is asking for money that has no rational business basis.
And then you write
"I don’t think anyone anywhere has suggested there is anyone to blame than RD for all of this "
I have a lot of respect for you, as you know, and I also know you have good contacts, but unless you can stand this shit up, you are not doing us any favours. We need to get this poison out of our club, rather than poison the ground for the new owners.
Roland Out Today.
The SLP reported this week they are seeking investors.
They tried to drop the price at the last minute, hoping RD would accept as he had no other options.
All 3 facts have been well reported in tbe press, 2+2+2 is not 7.
Surely time to sink this thread and have separate threads for did the Aussies ever have the funds etc and maybe resurrect this thread when genuine takeover rumours surface?
I don't expect him to have a career at the very top level but i think a few clubs would see him as being worth a gamble.
If the contract offer thing is true (and with RD i'm quite sure it is) then who would blame him for fucking off. I won't be at all surprised if he's sold this week.
If you re read my post carefully you may also detect that NLA and I know each other well enough to have cordial and civil private conversations, but unfortunately even those did not yield the concrete basis for his assertions nor any clue to why he feels his sources are authoritative. I was genuinely interested to become better informed, but he was unable to assist me.
What ‘exactly’ do you mean....... as in “don’t have the money?”
What you are saying (I guess), is that as a consortium set up they haven’t found the required amount of financing from enough backers to spread the costs.
I say this because Muir alone easily has the finance to come up with in order to fly solo if he so wished.....so what you should really be saying is that they(in the shape of Muir alone), do have the money but are simply not prepared to spend it on Goldfingers unrealistic asking price.
Your continually saying they (Muir) don’t have the money is therefore somewhat inaccurate........they most certainly DO have the money but are they prepared to stump up with it.......it would seem that for one reason or another they aren’t.
It’s a moot point I know, but for the sake of clarity you must understand that when you continue to say they don’t have the money it’s somewhat misleading.
Well it is to me anyway.
The club has said many things all from the mouth of a liar or multiple liars
I have said on here where I got told the aussies had no money
It was laughed at because it came from the RD side
GM told James seed there was still two that needed to sign off
Now the fact the Aussies are again still being reported to be searching for investors and the deal is in real jeopardy and Keith harris is actively working on resolving
There are still those that wish to believe a statement from known liars
Richard Murray could tell me that today is sunday and my name is darren
I would still check the calendar and my driving licence
This whole dirty sorry saga has been going on here since October 2017 we are two months from a year
Instead of asking me where the evidence is to substantiate my claim that they don’t have it or have never had it
The real question should be prove that they have
When their own side is taking about still looking for investors 10 months later
I think my proof has been substantiated
Roland has screwed this great club to the floor by its balls and will continue to do so
Two possibly 3 parties have tickled his ego valuation enough for him to believe he is right
His valuation however absurd you or I may think it is people are looking and biting his hook
Something never sat right with me about the Aussie bid and I will be honest and happy to be proved wrong about them and we will only know should they have somehow found the funds since harris let out his snitbit
So from here on in it’s not me having to justify my posts mine have been proven right
It’s for the Aussies to put up or shut up stay or walk simple as
But all the time they are hanging around without completing it’s a black cloud not a silver lines one
The consortium it’s self does not have the money in place to purchase the club
And your name is Cedric and it's Friday - proof if it was needed that Uncle Dickie is a pathological liar.
I'm not convinced he's immune to the losses either. Charlton is like an albatross round his neck, but he lacks the intelligence (or is suffocated by his ego) to see clinging on is not going to make things better.
One of their investors has a personal wealth to buy us on his own but chooses not too
We are not talking about Andrew Muir as a single entity we are talking about a consortium he is part of and right now we don’t know if he alone is holding is 10% 50% 85% of that consortium
That said, I'm still concerned that he is making suppositions about the state of play rather than being able to be sure enough to assert that "the Aussies don't have the money" and that's the subject of a further private discussion.
Separately, to ward off the rather tiresome insinuations I see surfacing here again, I would like to mention that neither I nor any of my close Charlton buddies have had any private conversation with Richard Murray since early January.