Not having a go at anyone here but Im not sure it’s fair to keep saying the Aussie bid may have failed, just hours after GM has said it hasn’t. What’s the source of that info? He’s said they’re still in it a few hours ago.
I’m also not sure we should be using the Saudi bid as a yardstick, because we don’t know it’s 100% correct, as again we don’t know the source of the info. The £40 may be totally wrong for all we know.
In fact I would treat any info with extreme caution unless we know the source. There’s lots of unverified stuff flying around from all over the shop, and it’s doing everyone’s heads in. My critics will say I’m being used, but GM isn’t putting out figures or any info at all, other than they haven’t pulled out. It’s the third or fourth time he’s told me that, and they do still appear to be in the game.
If they’ve walked they’ve walked, and pretending they haven’t would be silly.
Any info that other bidders are waiting in the wings holding huge bundles of cash I’d treat with caution. RD is desperate to sell on his own terms, so it’s probable that everything he does is designed to get the Aussies to meet those terms, and it would be in his interests to put as much pressure on them as he can. He can afford to take a hit, but he won’t want to, in order not to lose face. I genuinely think he sees Charlton fans as the enemy to be defeated.
If there is a Brit consortium waiting in the wings (fronted by Murray possibly) hoping to get a bargain if the Aussies deal collapses, then again it would be in their best interests to undermine the Aussies’ bid. So both the leader of the Brit consortium and Duchâtelet have motives for making the Aussies look bad i.e. no money, Aussie nursery, buying the club, leaving Roland with the property titles, Rolf Harris etc etc. So any rumours involving those things I’d say treat with extreme caution. Except for Harris.
By all accounts players are being recruited in the background, possibly financed by the sale of Konsa, the boys are off to Portugal possibly financed by a sold player, so perhaps it isn’t all doom and gloom.
The message from GM yesterday was ‘Don’t believevthe rumours.’ I’m sticking with that. If they pull out we’ll know soon enough.
Of course the delays could be engineered to get the Pediction Thread up to 25 glorious pages ;-)
Just an off-topic question... Is a foreign trip nowadays a necessary part of preseason preparation? Regardless of the club's financial condition?
No, it's a waste of money.
I think you'd have to ask a couple of the players. Do thy want to play a
''Funding was 100% in place on 18th May, so no reason to believe it can't be in place again."
There might be loads of 'reasons'...Two knocked back 'major backers' could be one reason alone.
But as I said, there's no reason to believe funding can't (and actually might already) be in place again. Yes, if they were major backers it could well been why it's taking a few weeks to replace them. Speculation only, I've heard nothing about it. All I'm doing is saying temporary lack of funds doesn't mean they can't find funds, if indeed that is the issue.
The fact that it's dragged on for months suggest otherwise.
Over simplistic. If there was a genuine issue about funding they would have been shown the door ages ago. Duchatelet isn't a complete fool, and there are lawyers and accountants involved at each stage.
You saying that funds were ''100% in place on 18th May, so no reason to believe they can't be in place again" is also over simplistic.
We've already heard of 'reasons' why funds are not not in place, and there could be a load more.
Powerful rich wannabee owners would have rubbed RD out by now...
ok I wouldn't know about that and don't want to get into any arguments about it.
Not having a go at anyone here but Im not sure it’s fair to keep saying the Aussie bid may have failed, just hours after GM has said it hasn’t. What’s the source of that info? He’s said they’re still in it a few hours ago.
I’m also not sure we should be using the Saudi bid as a yardstick, because we don’t know it’s 100% correct, as again we don’t know the source of the info. The £40 may be totally wrong for all we know.
In fact I would treat any info with extreme caution unless we know the source. There’s lots of unverified stuff flying around from all over the shop, and it’s doing everyone’s heads in. My critics will say I’m being used, but GM isn’t putting out figures or any info at all, other than they haven’t pulled out. It’s the third or fourth time he’s told me that, and they do still appear to be in the game.
If they’ve walked they’ve walked, and pretending they haven’t would be silly.
Any info that other bidders are waiting in the wings holding huge bundles of cash I’d treat with caution. RD is desperate to sell on his own terms, so it’s probable that everything he does is designed to get the Aussies to meet those terms, and it would be in his interests to put as much pressure on them as he can. He can afford to take a hit, but he won’t want to, in order not to lose face. I genuinely think he sees Charlton fans as the enemy to be defeated.
If there is a Brit consortium waiting in the wings (fronted by Murray possibly) hoping to get a bargain if the Aussies deal collapses, then again it would be in their best interests to undermine the Aussies’ bid. So both the leader of the Brit consortium and Duchâtelet have motives for making the Aussies look bad i.e. no money, Aussie nursery, buying the club, leaving Roland with the property titles, Rolf Harris etc etc. So any rumours involving those things I’d say treat with extreme caution. Except for Harris.
By all accounts players are being recruited in the background, possibly financed by the sale of Konsa, the boys are off to Portugal possibly financed by a sold player, so perhaps it isn’t all doom and gloom.
The message from GM yesterday was ‘Don’t believevthe rumours.’ I’m sticking with that. If they pull out we’ll know soon enough.
Of course the delays could be engineered to get the Pediction Thread up to 25 glorious pages ;-)
Just an off-topic question... Is a foreign trip nowadays a necessary part of preseason preparation? Regardless of the club's financial condition?
No, it's a waste of money.
I think you'd have to ask a couple of the players. Do thy want to play a
''Funding was 100% in place on 18th May, so no reason to believe it can't be in place again."
There might be loads of 'reasons'...Two knocked back 'major backers' could be one reason alone.
But as I said, there's no reason to believe funding can't (and actually might already) be in place again. Yes, if they were major backers it could well been why it's taking a few weeks to replace them. Speculation only, I've heard nothing about it. All I'm doing is saying temporary lack of funds doesn't mean they can't find funds, if indeed that is the issue.
The fact that it's dragged on for months suggest otherwise.
Over simplistic. If there was a genuine issue about funding they would have been shown the door ages ago. Duchatelet isn't a complete fool, and there are lawyers and accountants involved at each stage.
You saying that funds were ''100% in place on 18th May, so no reason to believe they can't be in place again" is also over simplistic.
We've already heard of 'reasons' why funds are not not in place, and there could be a load more.
Powerful rich wannabee owners would have rubbed RD out by now...
Not in today's world of conservatively spreading your investment risk. More often than not that's how powerful wannabee owners became rich .
Not having a go at anyone here but Im not sure it’s fair to keep saying the Aussie bid may have failed, just hours after GM has said it hasn’t. What’s the source of that info? He’s said they’re still in it a few hours ago.
I’m also not sure we should be using the Saudi bid as a yardstick, because we don’t know it’s 100% correct, as again we don’t know the source of the info. The £40 may be totally wrong for all we know.
In fact I would treat any info with extreme caution unless we know the source. There’s lots of unverified stuff flying around from all over the shop, and it’s doing everyone’s heads in. My critics will say I’m being used, but GM isn’t putting out figures or any info at all, other than they haven’t pulled out. It’s the third or fourth time he’s told me that, and they do still appear to be in the game.
If they’ve walked they’ve walked, and pretending they haven’t would be silly.
Any info that other bidders are waiting in the wings holding huge bundles of cash I’d treat with caution. RD is desperate to sell on his own terms, so it’s probable that everything he does is designed to get the Aussies to meet those terms, and it would be in his interests to put as much pressure on them as he can. He can afford to take a hit, but he won’t want to, in order not to lose face. I genuinely think he sees Charlton fans as the enemy to be defeated.
If there is a Brit consortium waiting in the wings (fronted by Murray possibly) hoping to get a bargain if the Aussies deal collapses, then again it would be in their best interests to undermine the Aussies’ bid. So both the leader of the Brit consortium and Duchâtelet have motives for making the Aussies look bad i.e. no money, Aussie nursery, buying the club, leaving Roland with the property titles, Rolf Harris etc etc. So any rumours involving those things I’d say treat with extreme caution. Except for Harris.
By all accounts players are being recruited in the background, possibly financed by the sale of Konsa, the boys are off to Portugal possibly financed by a sold player, so perhaps it isn’t all doom and gloom.
The message from GM yesterday was ‘Don’t believevthe rumours.’ I’m sticking with that. If they pull out we’ll know soon enough.
Of course the delays could be engineered to get the Pediction Thread up to 25 glorious pages ;-)
Just an off-topic question... Is a foreign trip nowadays a necessary part of preseason preparation? Regardless of the club's financial condition?
No, it's a waste of money.
I think you'd have to ask a couple of the players. Do thy want to play a
''Funding was 100% in place on 18th May, so no reason to believe it can't be in place again."
There might be loads of 'reasons'...Two knocked back 'major backers' could be one reason alone.
But as I said, there's no reason to believe funding can't (and actually might already) be in place again. Yes, if they were major backers it could well been why it's taking a few weeks to replace them. Speculation only, I've heard nothing about it. All I'm doing is saying temporary lack of funds doesn't mean they can't find funds, if indeed that is the issue.
The fact that it's dragged on for months suggest otherwise.
Over simplistic. If there was a genuine issue about funding they would have been shown the door ages ago. Duchatelet isn't a complete fool, and there are lawyers and accountants involved at each stage.
Mixing Duchatelet with lawyers doesn’t always lead to positive outcomes.
Not having a go at anyone here but Im not sure it’s fair to keep saying the Aussie bid may have failed, just hours after GM has said it hasn’t. What’s the source of that info? He’s said they’re still in it a few hours ago.
I’m also not sure we should be using the Saudi bid as a yardstick, because we don’t know it’s 100% correct, as again we don’t know the source of the info. The £40 may be totally wrong for all we know.
In fact I would treat any info with extreme caution unless we know the source. There’s lots of unverified stuff flying around from all over the shop, and it’s doing everyone’s heads in. My critics will say I’m being used, but GM isn’t putting out figures or any info at all, other than they haven’t pulled out. It’s the third or fourth time he’s told me that, and they do still appear to be in the game.
If they’ve walked they’ve walked, and pretending they haven’t would be silly.
Any info that other bidders are waiting in the wings holding huge bundles of cash I’d treat with caution. RD is desperate to sell on his own terms, so it’s probable that everything he does is designed to get the Aussies to meet those terms, and it would be in his interests to put as much pressure on them as he can. He can afford to take a hit, but he won’t want to, in order not to lose face. I genuinely think he sees Charlton fans as the enemy to be defeated.
If there is a Brit consortium waiting in the wings (fronted by Murray possibly) hoping to get a bargain if the Aussies deal collapses, then again it would be in their best interests to undermine the Aussies’ bid. So both the leader of the Brit consortium and Duchâtelet have motives for making the Aussies look bad i.e. no money, Aussie nursery, buying the club, leaving Roland with the property titles, Rolf Harris etc etc. So any rumours involving those things I’d say treat with extreme caution. Except for Harris.
By all accounts players are being recruited in the background, possibly financed by the sale of Konsa, the boys are off to Portugal possibly financed by a sold player, so perhaps it isn’t all doom and gloom.
The message from GM yesterday was ‘Don’t believevthe rumours.’ I’m sticking with that. If they pull out we’ll know soon enough.
Of course the delays could be engineered to get the Pediction Thread up to 25 glorious pages ;-)
Just an off-topic question... Is a foreign trip nowadays a necessary part of preseason preparation? Regardless of the club's financial condition?
No, it's a waste of money.
I think you'd have to ask a couple of the players. Do thy want to play a
''Funding was 100% in place on 18th May, so no reason to believe it can't be in place again."
There might be loads of 'reasons'...Two knocked back 'major backers' could be one reason alone.
But as I said, there's no reason to believe funding can't (and actually might already) be in place again. Yes, if they were major backers it could well been why it's taking a few weeks to replace them. Speculation only, I've heard nothing about it. All I'm doing is saying temporary lack of funds doesn't mean they can't find funds, if indeed that is the issue.
The fact that it's dragged on for months suggest otherwise.
Over simplistic. If there was a genuine issue about funding they would have been shown the door ages ago. Duchatelet isn't a complete fool, and there are lawyers and accountants involved at each stage.
You saying that funds were ''100% in place on 18th May, so no reason to believe they can't be in place again" is also over simplistic.
We've already heard of 'reasons' why funds are not not in place, and there could be a load more.
Powerful rich wannabee owners would have rubbed RD out by now...
Not in today's world of conservatively spreading your investment risk. More often than not that's how powerful wannabee owners became rich .
Thought most people agreed that something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it...So if someone wants the Club bad enough...
The sort of money that's being talked about on here is nothing but chicken feed for some people.
All well and good blaming RD. The facts are the Aussies got into a bidding war and didn't have the funds. Laughable
He’d have a much easier time selling the club if he lowered the asking price. Could have been done by now and he wouldn’t be paying bills and for new signings.
Am I right in saying the two people the EFL are not keen on were Alisher Usmanov of Arsenal and Mr Moshiri of Everton? Did I read that somewhere?
Roland can have multiple interests in different countries but couldn't in Belgium hence he got rid of Liege - but over here you apparently can't have interests in multiple clubs that could, in theory, play each other.
Not having a go at anyone here but Im not sure it’s fair to keep saying the Aussie bid may have failed, just hours after GM has said it hasn’t. What’s the source of that info? He’s said they’re still in it a few hours ago.
I’m also not sure we should be using the Saudi bid as a yardstick, because we don’t know it’s 100% correct, as again we don’t know the source of the info. The £40 may be totally wrong for all we know.
In fact I would treat any info with extreme caution unless we know the source. There’s lots of unverified stuff flying around from all over the shop, and it’s doing everyone’s heads in. My critics will say I’m being used, but GM isn’t putting out figures or any info at all, other than they haven’t pulled out. It’s the third or fourth time he’s told me that, and they do still appear to be in the game.
If they’ve walked they’ve walked, and pretending they haven’t would be silly.
Any info that other bidders are waiting in the wings holding huge bundles of cash I’d treat with caution. RD is desperate to sell on his own terms, so it’s probable that everything he does is designed to get the Aussies to meet those terms, and it would be in his interests to put as much pressure on them as he can. He can afford to take a hit, but he won’t want to, in order not to lose face. I genuinely think he sees Charlton fans as the enemy to be defeated.
If there is a Brit consortium waiting in the wings (fronted by Murray possibly) hoping to get a bargain if the Aussies deal collapses, then again it would be in their best interests to undermine the Aussies’ bid. So both the leader of the Brit consortium and Duchâtelet have motives for making the Aussies look bad i.e. no money, Aussie nursery, buying the club, leaving Roland with the property titles, Rolf Harris etc etc. So any rumours involving those things I’d say treat with extreme caution. Except for Harris.
By all accounts players are being recruited in the background, possibly financed by the sale of Konsa, the boys are off to Portugal possibly financed by a sold player, so perhaps it isn’t all doom and gloom.
The message from GM yesterday was ‘Don’t believevthe rumours.’ I’m sticking with that. If they pull out we’ll know soon enough.
Of course the delays could be engineered to get the Pediction Thread up to 25 glorious pages ;-)
Just an off-topic question... Is a foreign trip nowadays a necessary part of preseason preparation? Regardless of the club's financial condition?
No, it's a waste of money.
I think you'd have to ask a couple of the players. Do thy want to play a
''Funding was 100% in place on 18th May, so no reason to believe it can't be in place again."
There might be loads of 'reasons'...Two knocked back 'major backers' could be one reason alone.
But as I said, there's no reason to believe funding can't (and actually might already) be in place again. Yes, if they were major backers it could well been why it's taking a few weeks to replace them. Speculation only, I've heard nothing about it. All I'm doing is saying temporary lack of funds doesn't mean they can't find funds, if indeed that is the issue.
The fact that it's dragged on for months suggest otherwise.
Over simplistic. If there was a genuine issue about funding they would have been shown the door ages ago. Duchatelet isn't a complete fool, and there are lawyers and accountants involved at each stage.
You saying that funds were ''100% in place on 18th May, so no reason to believe they can't be in place again" is also over simplistic.
We've already heard of 'reasons' why funds are not not in place, and there could be a load more.
Powerful rich wannabee owners would have rubbed RD out by now...
Not in today's world of conservatively spreading your investment risk. More often than not that's how powerful wannabee owners became rich .
Thought most people agreed that something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it...So if someone wants the Club bad enough...
The sort of money that's being talked about on here is nothing but chicken feed for some people.
Well that's correct, something is only worth what someone will pay for it...….. at a given point in time. Whether it's chicken feed or not is irrelevant though if the main investors looking to acquire the club, wish to spread their risk. To some people, every pound is a prisoner that's how a lot of them operate and amassed their wealth like it or not.
Incidentally The Douchbag doesn't seem to be treating the debt mountain he has built up as chicken feed does he?
Am I right in saying the two people the EFL are not keen on were Alisher Usmanov of Arsenal and Mr Moshiri of Everton? Did I read that somewhere?
Roland can have multiple interests in different countries but couldn't in Belgium hence he got rid of Liege - but over here you apparently can't have interests in multiple clubs that could, in theory, play each other.
Shame because both are absolutely minted
If that's true did they really think they could get away with that!
Am I right in saying the two people the EFL are not keen on were Alisher Usmanov of Arsenal and Mr Moshiri of Everton? Did I read that somewhere?
Roland can have multiple interests in different countries but couldn't in Belgium hence he got rid of Liege - but over here you apparently can't have interests in multiple clubs that could, in theory, play each other.
Shame because both are absolutely minted
If true then the Aussies have shown themselves to be very naive if they ever thought they'd get that past the EFL.
All well and good blaming RD. The facts are the Aussies got into a bidding war and didn't have the funds. Laughable
He’d have a much easier time selling the club if he lowered the asking price. Could have been done by now and he wouldn’t be paying bills and for new signings.
Rich people tend to hate paying over the odds for anything. That's why they're rich. The only person might pay over the odds for us would be a lifelong fan who wants to have some fun in his remaining years.
All well and good blaming RD. The facts are the Aussies got into a bidding war and didn't have the funds. Laughable
He’d have a much easier time selling the club if he lowered the asking price. Could have been done by now and he wouldn’t be paying bills and for new signings.
As he would with many other possible scenarios...None of which have happened.
If the Aussies don't have the cash now how would they be able to raise the cash as well as subsidising the running of the club?
I think they always had the funding, but when two fairly major investors are biffed at the last minute, there are always going to be delays finding replacements with available funds, especially with such a risky investment opportunity. ‘Wealthy optimists apply here’.
It’s disappoinring nonetheless.
Did the two 'fairly major investors' have connections with PL Clubs..? If so the likelihood of them getting on board was going to be slim from the off.
Hope we weren't being set-up as a Feeder Club for two PL Clubs...
One did, although I've heard the links were supposed to be severed.
Not having a go at anyone here but Im not sure it’s fair to keep saying the Aussie bid may have failed, just hours after GM has said it hasn’t. What’s the source of that info? He’s said they’re still in it a few hours ago.
I’m also not sure we should be using the Saudi bid as a yardstick, because we don’t know it’s 100% correct, as again we don’t know the source of the info. The £40 may be totally wrong for all we know.
In fact I would treat any info with extreme caution unless we know the source. There’s lots of unverified stuff flying around from all over the shop, and it’s doing everyone’s heads in. My critics will say I’m being used, but GM isn’t putting out figures or any info at all, other than they haven’t pulled out. It’s the third or fourth time he’s told me that, and they do still appear to be in the game.
If they’ve walked they’ve walked, and pretending they haven’t would be silly.
Any info that other bidders are waiting in the wings holding huge bundles of cash I’d treat with caution. RD is desperate to sell on his own terms, so it’s probable that everything he does is designed to get the Aussies to meet those terms, and it would be in his interests to put as much pressure on them as he can. He can afford to take a hit, but he won’t want to, in order not to lose face. I genuinely think he sees Charlton fans as the enemy to be defeated.
If there is a Brit consortium waiting in the wings (fronted by Murray possibly) hoping to get a bargain if the Aussies deal collapses, then again it would be in their best interests to undermine the Aussies’ bid. So both the leader of the Brit consortium and Duchâtelet have motives for making the Aussies look bad i.e. no money, Aussie nursery, buying the club, leaving Roland with the property titles, Rolf Harris etc etc. So any rumours involving those things I’d say treat with extreme caution. Except for Harris.
By all accounts players are being recruited in the background, possibly financed by the sale of Konsa, the boys are off to Portugal possibly financed by a sold player, so perhaps it isn’t all doom and gloom.
The message from GM yesterday was ‘Don’t believevthe rumours.’ I’m sticking with that. If they pull out we’ll know soon enough.
Of course the delays could be engineered to get the Pediction Thread up to 25 glorious pages ;-)
Did the two investors who were rejected by the EFL keep their other footballing interests secret from the rest of the consortium? Or did the consortium know about these other footballing interests but were not aware of the rules governing ownership of football clubs in this country before submitting their bid?
I've posted something along these lines at least twice on here & yet no-one has commented or answered this.
Surely SOMEONE must have known they were part owners elsewhere & therefore would be knocked back by the EFL. If not they are all idiots, either by lying about it, trying to cover it up or not knowing the rules.
Also, I don't believe the 2 investors are trying to sell or reduce their holdings elsewhere otherwise the press would have picked up it. The fact there has been complete radio silence on this may mean it was either completely untrue or they have decided to drop their interest in us altogether.
All well and good blaming RD. The facts are the Aussies got into a bidding war and didn't have the funds. Laughable
Is this the 5 minute argument, or the full half hour?
I don't think anyone here is going to fall for that ;-)
They decided to up an offer to outbid the Arabs when they didn’t have finances in place? Secondly going to a match wearing scarfs and sitting in the directors box, Michael Knighton only topped that.
Am I right in saying the two people the EFL are not keen on were Alisher Usmanov of Arsenal and Mr Moshiri of Everton? Did I read that somewhere?
Roland can have multiple interests in different countries but couldn't in Belgium hence he got rid of Liege - but over here you apparently can't have interests in multiple clubs that could, in theory, play each other.
Shame because both are absolutely minted
Although they weirdly let Usmanov sponsor Everton's training ground, even though he definitely isn't an Everton investor...
Am I right in saying the two people the EFL are not keen on were Alisher Usmanov of Arsenal and Mr Moshiri of Everton? Did I read that somewhere?
Roland can have multiple interests in different countries but couldn't in Belgium hence he got rid of Liege - but over here you apparently can't have interests in multiple clubs that could, in theory, play each other.
Shame because both are absolutely minted
I read that somewhere as well.
Surely the EFL are right. Would there not be conflicts of interest.
Not having a go at anyone here but Im not sure it’s fair to keep saying the Aussie bid may have failed, just hours after GM has said it hasn’t. What’s the source of that info? He’s said they’re still in it a few hours ago.
I’m also not sure we should be using the Saudi bid as a yardstick, because we don’t know it’s 100% correct, as again we don’t know the source of the info. The £40 may be totally wrong for all we know.
In fact I would treat any info with extreme caution unless we know the source. There’s lots of unverified stuff flying around from all over the shop, and it’s doing everyone’s heads in. My critics will say I’m being used, but GM isn’t putting out figures or any info at all, other than they haven’t pulled out. It’s the third or fourth time he’s told me that, and they do still appear to be in the game.
If they’ve walked they’ve walked, and pretending they haven’t would be silly.
Any info that other bidders are waiting in the wings holding huge bundles of cash I’d treat with caution. RD is desperate to sell on his own terms, so it’s probable that everything he does is designed to get the Aussies to meet those terms, and it would be in his interests to put as much pressure on them as he can. He can afford to take a hit, but he won’t want to, in order not to lose face. I genuinely think he sees Charlton fans as the enemy to be defeated.
If there is a Brit consortium waiting in the wings (fronted by Murray possibly) hoping to get a bargain if the Aussies deal collapses, then again it would be in their best interests to undermine the Aussies’ bid. So both the leader of the Brit consortium and Duchâtelet have motives for making the Aussies look bad i.e. no money, Aussie nursery, buying the club, leaving Roland with the property titles, Rolf Harris etc etc. So any rumours involving those things I’d say treat with extreme caution. Except for Harris.
By all accounts players are being recruited in the background, possibly financed by the sale of Konsa, the boys are off to Portugal possibly financed by a sold player, so perhaps it isn’t all doom and gloom.
The message from GM yesterday was ‘Don’t believevthe rumours.’ I’m sticking with that. If they pull out we’ll know soon enough.
Of course the delays could be engineered to get the Pediction Thread up to 25 glorious pages ;-)
Just an off-topic question... Is a foreign trip nowadays a necessary part of preseason preparation? Regardless of the club's financial condition?
No, it's a waste of money.
I think you'd have to ask a couple of the players. Do thy want to play a
''Funding was 100% in place on 18th May, so no reason to believe it can't be in place again."
There might be loads of 'reasons'...Two knocked back 'major backers' could be one reason alone.
But as I said, there's no reason to believe funding can't (and actually might already) be in place again. Yes, if they were major backers it could well been why it's taking a few weeks to replace them. Speculation only, I've heard nothing about it. All I'm doing is saying temporary lack of funds doesn't mean they can't find funds, if indeed that is the issue.
The fact that it's dragged on for months suggest otherwise.
Over simplistic. If there was a genuine issue about funding they would have been shown the door ages ago. Duchatelet isn't a complete fool, and there are lawyers and accountants involved at each stage.
You saying that funds were ''100% in place on 18th May, so no reason to believe they can't be in place again" is also over simplistic.
We've already heard of 'reasons' why funds are not not in place, and there could be a load more.
Powerful rich wannabee owners would have rubbed RD out by now...
Not in today's world of conservatively spreading your investment risk. More often than not that's how powerful wannabee owners became rich .
Thought most people agreed that something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it...So if someone wants the Club bad enough...
The sort of money that's being talked about on here is nothing but chicken feed for some people.
Well that's correct, something is only worth what someone will pay for it...….. at a given point in time. Whether it's chicken feed or not is irrelevant though if the main investors looking to acquire the club, wish to spread their risk. To some people, every pound is a prisoner that's how a lot of them operate and amassed their wealth like it or not.
Incidentally The Douchbag doesn't seem to be treating the debt mountain he has built up as chicken feed does he?
You miss the point...'chicken feed' is relative to the wallet your looking at.
Somebody wants something bad enough they often stump up more than expected...
All well and good blaming RD. The facts are the Aussies got into a bidding war and didn't have the funds. Laughable
He’d have a much easier time selling the club if he lowered the asking price. Could have been done by now and he wouldn’t be paying bills and for new signings.
Rich people tend to hate paying over the odds for anything. That's why they're rich. The only person might pay over the odds for us would be a lifelong fan who wants to have some fun in his remaining years.
I tried only buying Tesco value food but I’m not a billionaire yet. Must be more to it?
It appears that Red Henry and NLA are the main men to be in the know. Red Henry highlighted that Aussies failed the fit and proper test, NLA called it with the lack of funds, factor in Red Henry with the Arabs I know what posts are more reliable.
I suppose the point of a pre season trip is that everybody is together 24/7. I think it's supposed to be something called bonding. If a player joins after the trip, they don't get bonded but attached with duck tape.
24/7? Unless RD fucks off sharpish, I can't imagine anyone will be left by 24/7.
It appears that Red Henry and NLA are the main men to be in the know. Red Henry highlighted that Aussies failed the fit and proper test, NLA called it with the lack of funds, factor in Red Henry with the Arabs I know what posts are more reliable.
More reliable than who? Jimmy has also posted things that have been reliable, as has AB, it's just from different people within the deal and with different perspectives on it. FWIW other than RedHenrys claims, there is zero info on the Arabs and their surmised bid
Not having a go at anyone here but Im not sure it’s fair to keep saying the Aussie bid may have failed, just hours after GM has said it hasn’t. What’s the source of that info? He’s said they’re still in it a few hours ago.
I’m also not sure we should be using the Saudi bid as a yardstick, because we don’t know it’s 100% correct, as again we don’t know the source of the info. The £40 may be totally wrong for all we know.
In fact I would treat any info with extreme caution unless we know the source. There’s lots of unverified stuff flying around from all over the shop, and it’s doing everyone’s heads in. My critics will say I’m being used, but GM isn’t putting out figures or any info at all, other than they haven’t pulled out. It’s the third or fourth time he’s told me that, and they do still appear to be in the game.
If they’ve walked they’ve walked, and pretending they haven’t would be silly.
Any info that other bidders are waiting in the wings holding huge bundles of cash I’d treat with caution. RD is desperate to sell on his own terms, so it’s probable that everything he does is designed to get the Aussies to meet those terms, and it would be in his interests to put as much pressure on them as he can. He can afford to take a hit, but he won’t want to, in order not to lose face. I genuinely think he sees Charlton fans as the enemy to be defeated.
If there is a Brit consortium waiting in the wings (fronted by Murray possibly) hoping to get a bargain if the Aussies deal collapses, then again it would be in their best interests to undermine the Aussies’ bid. So both the leader of the Brit consortium and Duchâtelet have motives for making the Aussies look bad i.e. no money, Aussie nursery, buying the club, leaving Roland with the property titles, Rolf Harris etc etc. So any rumours involving those things I’d say treat with extreme caution. Except for Harris.
By all accounts players are being recruited in the background, possibly financed by the sale of Konsa, the boys are off to Portugal possibly financed by a sold player, so perhaps it isn’t all doom and gloom.
The message from GM yesterday was ‘Don’t believevthe rumours.’ I’m sticking with that. If they pull out we’ll know soon enough.
Of course the delays could be engineered to get the Pediction Thread up to 25 glorious pages ;-)
Just an off-topic question... Is a foreign trip nowadays a necessary part of preseason preparation? Regardless of the club's financial condition?
No, it's a waste of money.
I think you'd have to ask a couple of the players. Do thy want to play a
''Funding was 100% in place on 18th May, so no reason to believe it can't be in place again."
There might be loads of 'reasons'...Two knocked back 'major backers' could be one reason alone.
But as I said, there's no reason to believe funding can't (and actually might already) be in place again. Yes, if they were major backers it could well been why it's taking a few weeks to replace them. Speculation only, I've heard nothing about it. All I'm doing is saying temporary lack of funds doesn't mean they can't find funds, if indeed that is the issue.
The fact that it's dragged on for months suggest otherwise.
Over simplistic. If there was a genuine issue about funding they would have been shown the door ages ago. Duchatelet isn't a complete fool, and there are lawyers and accountants involved at each stage.
You saying that funds were ''100% in place on 18th May, so no reason to believe they can't be in place again" is also over simplistic.
We've already heard of 'reasons' why funds are not not in place, and there could be a load more.
Powerful rich wannabee owners would have rubbed RD out by now...
Not in today's world of conservatively spreading your investment risk. More often than not that's how powerful wannabee owners became rich .
Thought most people agreed that something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it...So if someone wants the Club bad enough...
The sort of money that's being talked about on here is nothing but chicken feed for some people.
Well that's correct, something is only worth what someone will pay for it...….. at a given point in time. Whether it's chicken feed or not is irrelevant though if the main investors looking to acquire the club, wish to spread their risk. To some people, every pound is a prisoner that's how a lot of them operate and amassed their wealth like it or not.
Incidentally The Douchbag doesn't seem to be treating the debt mountain he has built up as chicken feed does he?
You miss the point...'chicken feed' is relative to the wallet your looking at.
Somebody wants something bad enough they often stump up more than expected...
No I think you're missing the point, they don't go against their general principles 'because they want it bad enough' in my experiences of having dealt with such people for a living. Anyway you stick to your opinion and we'll just have to beg to differ on this one.
Am I right in saying the two people the EFL are not keen on were Alisher Usmanov of Arsenal and Mr Moshiri of Everton? Did I read that somewhere?
Roland can have multiple interests in different countries but couldn't in Belgium hence he got rid of Liege - but over here you apparently can't have interests in multiple clubs that could, in theory, play each other.
Am I right in saying the two people the EFL are not keen on were Alisher Usmanov of Arsenal and Mr Moshiri of Everton? Did I read that somewhere?
Roland can have multiple interests in different countries but couldn't in Belgium hence he got rid of Liege - but over here you apparently can't have interests in multiple clubs that could, in theory, play each other.
Shame because both are absolutely minted
If true then the Aussies have shown themselves to be very naive if they ever thought they'd get that past the EFL.
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I don't think anyone here is going to fall for that ;-)
Mixing Duchatelet with lawyers doesn’t always lead to positive outcomes.
Thought most people agreed that something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it...So if someone wants the Club bad enough...
The sort of money that's being talked about on here is nothing but chicken feed for some people.
Roland can have multiple interests in different countries but couldn't in Belgium hence he got rid of Liege - but over here you apparently can't have interests in multiple clubs that could, in theory, play each other.
Shame because both are absolutely minted
Incidentally The Douchbag doesn't seem to be treating the debt mountain he has built up as chicken feed does he?
The only person might pay over the odds for us would be a lifelong fan who wants to have some fun in his remaining years.
Surely SOMEONE must have known they were part owners elsewhere & therefore would be knocked back by the EFL. If not they are all idiots, either by lying about it, trying to cover it up or not knowing the rules.
Also, I don't believe the 2 investors are trying to sell or reduce their holdings elsewhere otherwise the press would have picked up it. The fact there has been complete radio silence on this may mean it was either completely untrue or they have decided to drop their interest in us altogether.
Surely the EFL are right. Would there not be conflicts of interest.
Does throw up a possible feeder Club scenario...
Somebody wants something bad enough they often stump up more than expected...
A whole load of contracts run out on 30/6.