Getting To Know The Network (4 Part Radio Documentary) (31/1 Part 3, pg. 17)
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Yep this. He seems to spend hours on twitter searching for anything protest related and then proceeds to call everyone a cnut.LuckyReds said:
His son has (a) expressed he doesn't care about Charlton and would like to see it die, (b) shared photos of smoke bombs at The Valley and stated that it's unfortunate that it was only smoke and not poisonous gas, (c) called fans "c*nts" fairly regularly on Twitter for not agreeing with him, (d) Sent a torrent of abuse to Stan Collymore for covering CARD... and I could probably go on.Kap10 said:
Don't disagree with wife, not seen son, so cant comment. Going after Chris is a distraction from the real issues. And once we see the back of the regime we need to be bringing the family back together not seeking reprisals and recriminations.MuttleyCAFC said:He certainly isn't the enemy. That some will be angry with him is natural in a situation like this. To me it doesn't matter what his views are - he is entitled to hold them. I wouldn't want his position to be compromised. But his wife and son are not doing him any favours. That is just a fact!
He's also stated on Facebook that he's trying to lure people in to threaten him, so he can report them to the police. This was quite laughable as I imagine by doing so he would land himself in some hot water for his own statements. The son really isn't a very nice chap, and even if (as I suspect) he's doing it for attention.. that's not much defence.
Completely agree though - when we get our Charlton back we need to build bridges and come together as one unified group again. Until then, I wouldn't be disappointed to see that family - and the venomous bile they are spreading - removed from the situation. If the rumours regarding Sue are to be believed, then this a view that The Met Police also hold.
Strange thing to do for someone who regularly proclaims that he doesn't give an fcuk about Charlton.3 -
A guy on Reddit seems to have done a pretty good job of translating, makes even worse reading though...
So you're mainly interested in the quotes right? Not the entire article?
“De e-mails zijn authentiek en werden dus door Powell gelekt. Powell stond op dat moment ongeveer laatste. Blijkbaar vindt hij het ongehoord dat de baas van een club die laatste staat goede raad geeft aan zijn coach.”
"The emails are authentic, and so were leaked by Powell. Powell was practically in last place at that time. Apparently he thinks it's unheard of that the boss of a last-place club give his coach sound advice.
“Als je de mails leest, gaat het enkel om raad en valt er nergens een verplichting te bespeuren. We hebben uiteindelijk Powell vroegtijdig laten gaan. José Riga haalde daarna onmiddellijk met die zogenaamd slechte spelers van het netwerk een gemiddelde van 1,5 punt per match. Powell haalde voordien minder dan 1 punt per wedstrijd. Meer dan 50 procent beter dus met slechtere spelers.”
"When you read the mails, you find they only contain advice and no trace of obligations. In the end we let Powell go early. After that, José Riga immediately took the presumably bad players [from the network] and averaged 1.5 points per match. Before that, Powell had less than 1. So that's an improvement of more than 50% with worse players"
“De club was gered. De normale fans vinden ook nu nog dat we dat toen goed gedaan hebben”,
So the club was saved. The regular fans, even today, still think that we did a good job.
He said - "I'm not entirely sure about a few things, mainly because of context. Especially the thing about the network. I think he's talking about players that were ranked lowly by the press?" but actually think he got that part bang on.17 -
“De club was gered. De normale fans vinden ook nu nog dat we dat toen goed gedaan hebben”,
So the club was saved. The regular fans, even today, still think that we did a good job.
There cannot be a single fan (even Sue) who thinks they've done a good job!3 -
Could have been a Bcc (sent to others but not disclosed on the main email)olster said:
I'm fascinated by this.LouisMend said:Was going to save this for tonight's show but since RD has now commented and accused Powell on record of leaking the emails, Jimmy tells us during our interview last night that it wasn't Powell who leaked them.
Defamation of character?
There wasn't anyone else CC'd into the email.
So it's either been forwarded on by CP, or someone with inside access leaked them. And if it's the second option, surely there's so much more that could, should and will come out.6 -
Most likely it got forwarded around internally between the management team... "Damien, take a look at what I'm dealing with here... But at least now I know what 4-4-2 is! Chrissy"charltonbob said:
Could have been a Bcc (sent to others but not disclosed on the main email)olster said:
I'm fascinated by this.LouisMend said:Was going to save this for tonight's show but since RD has now commented and accused Powell on record of leaking the emails, Jimmy tells us during our interview last night that it wasn't Powell who leaked them.
Defamation of character?
There wasn't anyone else CC'd into the email.
So it's either been forwarded on by CP, or someone with inside access leaked them. And if it's the second option, surely there's so much more that could, should and will come out.7 -
Roland can afford the best of everything. If he required a life saving operation he could employ:-
A surgeon who has completed 667 operations - a man so admired that he was asked to represent his country five times at international meetings. The same man that then earned the respect of his peers, and was duly elected to represent them in his professional association for five years. A man that then moved into teaching where he served his apprenticeship under the most revered of fellows. A man that later set up on his own and continued to be successful.
… Or, select a confident younger guy, who has gained his knowledge from the comfort of his own bedroom by watching Holby City, House, Casualty, Grey’s Anatomy and Scrubs.
Roland is a wise man (we are told), he does not do failure, he’d make the right choice.
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If Roland says they did a good job, why does Katrien say they made mistakes? Unless of course the only mistake she acknowledges is not having tablecloths at the training ground.7
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RD would've been better off not commenting or even denying the emails were real rather than coming out with that laughable statement that has made not only him, but also Meire once again look complete idiots.3
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Strange thing for anyone to do and I condemn it. I still don't see Chris as the enemy, just potentially someone that can't control his wife and off spring. Maybe we should be sympathizing with him ... OK I know thats gone too far!cantersaddick said:
Yep this. He seems to spend hours on twitter searching for anything protest related and then proceeds to call everyone a cnut.LuckyReds said:
His son has (a) expressed he doesn't care about Charlton and would like to see it die, (b) shared photos of smoke bombs at The Valley and stated that it's unfortunate that it was only smoke and not poisonous gas, (c) called fans "c*nts" fairly regularly on Twitter for not agreeing with him, (d) Sent a torrent of abuse to Stan Collymore for covering CARD... and I could probably go on.Kap10 said:
Don't disagree with wife, not seen son, so cant comment. Going after Chris is a distraction from the real issues. And once we see the back of the regime we need to be bringing the family back together not seeking reprisals and recriminations.MuttleyCAFC said:He certainly isn't the enemy. That some will be angry with him is natural in a situation like this. To me it doesn't matter what his views are - he is entitled to hold them. I wouldn't want his position to be compromised. But his wife and son are not doing him any favours. That is just a fact!
He's also stated on Facebook that he's trying to lure people in to threaten him, so he can report them to the police. This was quite laughable as I imagine by doing so he would land himself in some hot water for his own statements. The son really isn't a very nice chap, and even if (as I suspect) he's doing it for attention.. that's not much defence.
Completely agree though - when we get our Charlton back we need to build bridges and come together as one unified group again. Until then, I wouldn't be disappointed to see that family - and the venomous bile they are spreading - removed from the situation. If the rumours regarding Sue are to be believed, then this a view that The Met Police also hold.
Strange thing to do for someone who regularly proclaims that he doesn't give an fcuk about Charlton.1 -
The crazy old fool. And then with only the 'quality' players that they are bringing into the club now, we were relegated. Roland, if you are going to make silly assertions then you need the results to back them up.Oh_Yoni_Boy said:A guy on Reddit seems to have done a pretty good job of translating, makes even worse reading though...
So you're mainly interested in the quotes right? Not the entire article?
“De e-mails zijn authentiek en werden dus door Powell gelekt. Powell stond op dat moment ongeveer laatste. Blijkbaar vindt hij het ongehoord dat de baas van een club die laatste staat goede raad geeft aan zijn coach.”
"The emails are authentic, and so were leaked by Powell. Powell was practically in last place at that time. Apparently he thinks it's unheard of that the boss of a last-place club give his coach sound advice.
“Als je de mails leest, gaat het enkel om raad en valt er nergens een verplichting te bespeuren. We hebben uiteindelijk Powell vroegtijdig laten gaan. José Riga haalde daarna onmiddellijk met die zogenaamd slechte spelers van het netwerk een gemiddelde van 1,5 punt per match. Powell haalde voordien minder dan 1 punt per wedstrijd. Meer dan 50 procent beter dus met slechtere spelers.”
"When you read the mails, you find they only contain advice and no trace of obligations. In the end we let Powell go early. After that, José Riga immediately took the presumably bad players [from the network] and averaged 1.5 points per match. Before that, Powell had less than 1. So that's an improvement of more than 50% with worse players"
“De club was gered. De normale fans vinden ook nu nog dat we dat toen goed gedaan hebben”,
So the club was saved. The regular fans, even today, still think that we did a good job.
He said - "I'm not entirely sure about a few things, mainly because of context. Especially the thing about the network. I think he's talking about players that were ranked lowly by the press?" but actually think he got that part bang on.
Truth is, we will never know how we would have finished the season with Powell in charge and without you undermining him. What is a fact though is that under Powell's stewardship, we won the League One title with over 100 points and then finished ninth in the Championship the following year with little or no player budget. What is also fact is that when we did things your way we were relegated back to League One and played in front of the smallest crowds at The Valley in many years.
You can go cherry picking 'points per game' ratios at some random point in the season of your choosing all you like but on every important measure you are an utter failure.14 -
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After Charltons previous league game before Doncaster (the 1-0 Thuram loss at Boro *258 away fans*) we were 4th bottom with a game in hand after the 3-0 loss at Donny *448 away fans* we were 3rd bottom with a game or two in hand over a couple of clubs above us
Riga got 24 points from his 16 games in charge
SCP got 26 points from the last 16 games of the previous season
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That win at QPR was the last time it really felt like our Charlton. What a moment. That last minute winner Powell's celebration.
Even then there was an underlying worry about what was going on...26 -
Powell sat in the dug out after that game just taking it all in, you knew then he was gone and he did obviously as well.cantersaddick said:That win at QPR was the last time it really felt like our Charlton. What a moment. That last minute winner Powell's celebration.
Even then there was an underlying worry about what was going on...6 -
Yepp. His last home game wasn't it?roseandcrown said:
Powell sat in the dug out after that game just taking it all in, you knew then he was gone and he did obviously as well.cantersaddick said:That win at QPR was the last time it really felt like our Charlton. What a moment. That last minute winner Powell's celebration.
Even then there was an underlying worry about what was going on...0 -
The hug SCP had with Paddy brought a lump to my throat after that QPR match1
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Yeah think it was Leicester away and then Sheff united away after that.cantersaddick said:
Yepp. His last home game wasn't it?roseandcrown said:
Powell sat in the dug out after that game just taking it all in, you knew then he was gone and he did obviously as well.cantersaddick said:That win at QPR was the last time it really felt like our Charlton. What a moment. That last minute winner Powell's celebration.
Even then there was an underlying worry about what was going on...3 -
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At the end of that particular season, it might have been a valid point that Riga did better with the same team. I don't agree with it, but the points-per-game stat is a pretty valid way of backing up that argument.PassItToLeaburn said:
The crazy old fool. And then with only the 'quality' players that they are bringing into the club now, we were relegated. Roland, if you are going to make silly assertions then you need the results to back them up.Oh_Yoni_Boy said:A guy on Reddit seems to have done a pretty good job of translating, makes even worse reading though...
So you're mainly interested in the quotes right? Not the entire article?
“De e-mails zijn authentiek en werden dus door Powell gelekt. Powell stond op dat moment ongeveer laatste. Blijkbaar vindt hij het ongehoord dat de baas van een club die laatste staat goede raad geeft aan zijn coach.”
"The emails are authentic, and so were leaked by Powell. Powell was practically in last place at that time. Apparently he thinks it's unheard of that the boss of a last-place club give his coach sound advice.
“Als je de mails leest, gaat het enkel om raad en valt er nergens een verplichting te bespeuren. We hebben uiteindelijk Powell vroegtijdig laten gaan. José Riga haalde daarna onmiddellijk met die zogenaamd slechte spelers van het netwerk een gemiddelde van 1,5 punt per match. Powell haalde voordien minder dan 1 punt per wedstrijd. Meer dan 50 procent beter dus met slechtere spelers.”
"When you read the mails, you find they only contain advice and no trace of obligations. In the end we let Powell go early. After that, José Riga immediately took the presumably bad players [from the network] and averaged 1.5 points per match. Before that, Powell had less than 1. So that's an improvement of more than 50% with worse players"
“De club was gered. De normale fans vinden ook nu nog dat we dat toen goed gedaan hebben”,
So the club was saved. The regular fans, even today, still think that we did a good job.
He said - "I'm not entirely sure about a few things, mainly because of context. Especially the thing about the network. I think he's talking about players that were ranked lowly by the press?" but actually think he got that part bang on.
Truth is, we will never know how we would have finished the season with Powell in charge and without you undermining him. What is a fact though is that under Powell's stewardship, we won the League One title with over 100 points and then finished ninth in the Championship the following year with little or no player budget. What is also fact is that when we did things your way we were relegated back to League One and played in front of the smallest crowds at The Valley in many years.
You can go cherry picking 'points per game' ratios at some random point in the season of your choosing all you like but on every important measure you are an utter failure.
With the couple of seasons we've had in-between then and now - it's not at all valid. That's what irritates me about it, clinging to that semi-truth from a while ago to dismiss the horrendous situation we're in now.2 -
We need to give more to CARD and their Belgium trips. Seems to be the thing that really gets under roland's skin.11
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I remember me and my dad watching a stream of that qpr game. Jacko in the last minute and Chris sat in the dugout after the whistle whilst everyone was celebrating, just taking it in. In hindsight he probably knew his time was coming to an end and just wanted to enjoy the moment for a second.8
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Boo-Ya!kentaddick said:I remember me and my dad watching a stream of that qpr game. Jacko in the last minute and Chris sat in the dugout after the whistle whilst everyone was celebrating, just taking it in. In hindsight he probably knew his time was coming to an end and just wanted to enjoy the moment for a second.
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I think that might be @cabbles. Brilliant stuff!The Red Robin said:You just couldn't make this up.
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Surely not, cos stalking this bloke on twitter... His media shows him only having to travel a short away trip to BuryMrLargo said:0 -
It's definitely not Cabbles ;-)MrLargo said:4 -
Blimey Charlie!
Just caught up with both episodes this morning. Fantastic work Jimmy. In a world of lazy and sub-standard journalism, that's some superbly researched and well constructed stuff there. It far less of a rant than I thought it would be, which is great and it adds validity. Also love the Serial vibe with the music.
Ultimately, I suppose we all knew these things were going on but to hear it all out in the open, it really brings it all home.
Apart from hearing Chrissy Powel open up so much (just when you thought you couldn't respect the man more), the main thing that struck me was hearing from poor old Piotr. It's so sad to think that not only has Roland decimated the club we all love, but he's been screwing around with the careers of players like Polish Pete. The guy clearly wasn't ready and didn't stand a chance when he was drafted in.
Surely there's no way back from this? There is no come back that I can think of, from anyone at the club, that doesn't make them look like a complete lemon (as I type this Duchatelet has proved me right). I can only hope this is the beginning of the end for the lot of them.
Looking forward and/or terrified to hear episode 3 in the new year. I don't believe for a minute they've "learnt from their mistakes" and things have changed a jot over the years.11 -
My mistake. Been stalking the wrong bloke apparently.The Red Robin said:
It's definitely not Cabbles ;-)MrLargo said:5 -
The podcasts did not make me angry as I was expecting most of it. Duchatelet's latest comments, however - I am seething!! The translation of the emails above is spot-on. There is also a nonsense paragraph in the article that says in the first weeks after the takeover, Powell rarely answered Duchatelet's telephone calls and that explains why he was forced to write emails. What a load of ballcocks!!
Here is what Powell said about the relationship in the Trust interview in Feb 2015:
“Within a week, after my first meeting at the Valley, I knew I wouldn’t be there too long and I knew exactly what was going to happen in regards to people like Yann, Dale and a few others and what he was going to do. It wasn’t just what he was telling me. I had a press conference where he said I was a good coach. Well, I was arguing with him just an hour before – about Charlton – I was saying to him, you can’t do that, you cannot do what you are planning to do with this club. It’s not right, it’s not fair, let’s not string people along.”
Powell describes his first meeting with Duchâtelet, at which Tony Jiminez was also present. The omens were not good – Powell was ill the night before, and had to pull over on his way to The Valley to be physically sick. The Belgian businessman arrived with strong ideas about the playing squad, while Jiminez, keen to ensure the deal was quickly done and dusted, sided with the new man’s opinions rather than supporting his manager. “We had the nonsense with the goalkeepers. Ben Alnwick had come in and was outstanding with Ben Hamer being out. He (Roland) said Ben Hamer is not good, Ben Alnwick is not good. I’ve got a goalkeeper who’s better than both. I said, who is it, I need to know. Then it was always, oh he’s better, he’s this, he’s that. I said I need to choose who’s right, for this division and this league.”
Clearly there was intransigence on both sides of the table, but Powell is not at all bitter in what he is describing, just deeply disappointed at the gulf in football philosophy. He is a manager who takes full responsibility for putting together his own squad, yet he was faced with the complete opposite, “I’d be in my office and there’s a player turning up downstairs with his suitcase, saying he’s come to play. Who is it? It’s Loic Nego, it’s Anil Koç. I don’t even know who they are. ‘We’ve been told you need a winger’ – yeah, but I need a winger who’s used to the Championship, and you’ve got a young boy who’s played three games for Standard off the bench. I mean, that’s not for Charlton. Charlton deserve a player who’s going to improve them.” He was clearly very frustrated at the lack of understanding of the strengths of the existing squad, “He’d say you need a right back, I’d say we’ve got Chris Solly. If he’s better than Chris Solly, going to be some player! Nego came in, played against Wigan, clearly not suited. (Roland) said, well he can play left back. I said, well I’ve got Rhoys Wiggins, and Ceddy Evina who can fill in, fine you’re not going to have two top drawer – we’re not Chelsea or Man City, but you need players who are able to play at the level. I just knew that whenever there was a time that I didn’t play them, I was going to be in trouble.”
Powell explains how he tried hard to make the relationship work, "I was very open with them at the start – I said to Roland, I will come over and I will meet you, and you can tell me exactly what your plans are. I held my hand out, extended friendship to say welcome to South East London. I will tell you exactly what the Club’s about, what’s gone great, what hasn’t.” But Duchâtelet did not want Powell to go to Belgium. “I said to him re-sign Yann, it’s a no-brainer, he said ‘NO – I don’t think he’s good enough, we’ve got better strikers’ – and now, I know Charlton are looking for a physical striker. We had one – he didn’t want to leave. It was the same with Dale. I know this league - of course, I’m not going to get everything right, will get a few things wrong, which I did at Charlton, which I will here. But I know what it takes in this league. I think anyone in any walk of life if they’re doing a job and someone tells them they are doing it all wrong, when they have no experience of it, that’s pretty hard to take.”
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Shit for brains under that laughable hairpiece, clearly0
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I'm limited to emails only. I sent Rubashow a linked in request telling him he was doomed to failure in this job......MrLargo said:7 -
I'm afraid all this makes clear that RD is one of those people who because they have been successful in one field then arrogantly believe that they have the formula and knowledge for success in another field - and he also thinks he can identify others with similar "transferable" skills to his own. It isn't just football that he has tried this theory with - just look at his foray into Belgian politics with Vivant. The worrying thing about that comparison is that even now RD will not admit he was wrong and though Vivant has shrivelled to practically nothing RD will still not let go.4
