I support CARD and everything they stand for, every forum I post on I make that clear and really appreciate their efforts and ideas.
However, on this occasion I kind of agree with the opening post as my friend who is pregnant was given some mouth and made to feel scared and uncomfortable when going into the club shop.
I agree that people shouldn't buy from the club AT ALL at the moment and the picket line and protesting is great, but please respect other people's rights not to protest if that's what they want, right or wrong they should have the choice.
All protestors all the time, myself included when I'm there, need to be careful to remember who the enemy is here, my fear is that there are some that get too carried away and are quite nasty to other supporters at times, this reflects badly on the rest of the cause. Can we all just please be a bit more tactful in the future?
I don't condone the behaviour of the protester, but what a strange choice for a pregnant women to make. A picket line is by its very nature intimidating and if she felt scared and uncomfortable, that is kinda the idea! We all know a football crowd has a cross section of people and when people are passionate about something their behaviour can be out of character. Add a large group/crowd and behaviour can be unpredictable.
You only have to read posts above to see that some supporters are saying "try and stop me and see what happens ". You can immagine the puffed out chest and macho purposeful stride through the protesters looking for a reaction and it all kicks off. Really not worth risking an unborn child for a bit of shopping.
The title is a "message to CARD". I am not sure what you expect them to do about it? They can and do ask for good behaviour and we can all do our best to help. Pehaps advise others that pushing your right to pass through a picket line is not the nicest thing to do to your fellow supporters? If you think behaviour is unacceptable you should ask the police for assistance.
Pehaps in future she could be a bit more tactful?
What a great post and a great advert for all those trying to save our club.
Our idea is to scare and intimidate pregnant women!
You are lucky that the club has no one working in PR because if I was in that job your sentence would be all over the website and in the program on Tuesday night.
Any movement that is to achieve its aims needs strategies and leadership. That is why I will follow CARD's lead. I trust it has a strategy. I may have my own ideas on certain things, but we do need to be organised. We can't all do our own thing if we want to have an impact.
Haven't renewed, picked up a freebie in The White Swan, thanks to the CARD initiative. Tried to put money into the CARD coffers, but it was refused on the basis that it might have been seen as an illegal payment towards the ticket (I will make a PayPal donation today).
Spent some time talking to CARD members outside the club shop; seemed very polite and civilised to me and didn't witness any of the "issues" mentioned on here.
Sat in the East Stand and it was obvious that many were also there on Freebies. I guess that with the free tickets artificially inflating attendance numbers, the gate on Tuesday will be more reflective.The ease of the journey home via Blackwall Tunnel made it obvious that many, like me, had not renewed their season tickets and had not attended the game.
I was really disappointed by the relatively large number of people buying programmes and wearing new shirts, but I guess in part this was due to the "first timers" on a freebie. It seems to me that CARD and their supporters (of whom I am one of the latter) has still some "conversion" work to be done on regular supporters. As an example, I met prior to the game with two long-term friends who I see very irregularly; they have both renewed and the comment from one was "I cant influence the ownership outcome".
Finally, I felt detached from the game and the outcome. I didn't feel any love, association or wellbeing for the club or players; just felt a numbness and questioned why I attended.
I support CARD and everything they stand for, every forum I post on I make that clear and really appreciate their efforts and ideas.
However, on this occasion I kind of agree with the opening post as my friend who is pregnant was given some mouth and made to feel scared and uncomfortable when going into the club shop.
I agree that people shouldn't buy from the club AT ALL at the moment and the picket line and protesting is great, but please respect other people's rights not to protest if that's what they want, right or wrong they should have the choice.
All protestors all the time, myself included when I'm there, need to be careful to remember who the enemy is here, my fear is that there are some that get too carried away and are quite nasty to other supporters at times, this reflects badly on the rest of the cause. Can we all just please be a bit more tactful in the future?
I don't condone the behaviour of the protester, but what a strange choice for a pregnant women to make. A picket line is by its very nature intimidating and if she felt scared and uncomfortable, that is kinda the idea! We all know a football crowd has a cross section of people and when people are passionate about something their behaviour can be out of character. Add a large group/crowd and behaviour can be unpredictable.
You only have to read posts above to see that some supporters are saying "try and stop me and see what happens ". You can immagine the puffed out chest and macho purposeful stride through the protesters looking for a reaction and it all kicks off. Really not worth risking an unborn child for a bit of shopping.
The title is a "message to CARD". I am not sure what you expect them to do about it? They can and do ask for good behaviour and we can all do our best to help. Pehaps advise others that pushing your right to pass through a picket line is not the nicest thing to do to your fellow supporters? If you think behaviour is unacceptable you should ask the police for assistance.
Pehaps in future she could be a bit more tactful?
What a great post and a great advert for all those trying to save our club.
Our idea is to scare and intimidate pregnant women!
You are lucky that the club has no one working in PR because if I was in that job your sentence would be all over the website and in the program on Tuesday night.
I doubt the club could get much from the comments of one fan! If CARD had made the statement, yes. And I think the poster did say they didn't condone. I think the point was that picket lines can sometimes get a bit emotive. I think protestors should take that on board and ensure they keep the high ground, even when provoked, as I'm sure they would have been by individual fans. But they are not acting as individuals which carries reponsibilities. I'm sure the balance will be found - but I would like to thank the protestors for trying to make a difference, whilst not condoning any threatening behaviour if it happened.
I support CARD and everything they stand for, every forum I post on I make that clear and really appreciate their efforts and ideas.
However, on this occasion I kind of agree with the opening post as my friend who is pregnant was given some mouth and made to feel scared and uncomfortable when going into the club shop.
I agree that people shouldn't buy from the club AT ALL at the moment and the picket line and protesting is great, but please respect other people's rights not to protest if that's what they want, right or wrong they should have the choice.
All protestors all the time, myself included when I'm there, need to be careful to remember who the enemy is here, my fear is that there are some that get too carried away and are quite nasty to other supporters at times, this reflects badly on the rest of the cause. Can we all just please be a bit more tactful in the future?
I don't condone the behaviour of the protester, but what a strange choice for a pregnant women to make. A picket line is by its very nature intimidating and if she felt scared and uncomfortable, that is kinda the idea! We all know a football crowd has a cross section of people and when people are passionate about something their behaviour can be out of character. Add a large group/crowd and behaviour can be unpredictable.
You only have to read posts above to see that some supporters are saying "try and stop me and see what happens ". You can immagine the puffed out chest and macho purposeful stride through the protesters looking for a reaction and it all kicks off. Really not worth risking an unborn child for a bit of shopping.
The title is a "message to CARD". I am not sure what you expect them to do about it? They can and do ask for good behaviour and we can all do our best to help. Pehaps advise others that pushing your right to pass through a picket line is not the nicest thing to do to your fellow supporters? If you think behaviour is unacceptable you should ask the police for assistance.
Pehaps in future she could be a bit more tactful?
What a great post and a great advert for all those trying to save our club.
Our idea is to scare and intimidate pregnant women!
You are lucky that the club has no one working in PR because if I was in that job your sentence would be all over the website and in the program on Tuesday night.
Or, you're lucky you don't work in PR, it'd be a disaster, you're taking the words of ONE PERSON and turning it into an advert for the entire fan base..... do you really think people would take that seriously?
I support CARD and everything they stand for, every forum I post on I make that clear and really appreciate their efforts and ideas.
However, on this occasion I kind of agree with the opening post as my friend who is pregnant was given some mouth and made to feel scared and uncomfortable when going into the club shop.
I agree that people shouldn't buy from the club AT ALL at the moment and the picket line and protesting is great, but please respect other people's rights not to protest if that's what they want, right or wrong they should have the choice.
All protestors all the time, myself included when I'm there, need to be careful to remember who the enemy is here, my fear is that there are some that get too carried away and are quite nasty to other supporters at times, this reflects badly on the rest of the cause. Can we all just please be a bit more tactful in the future?
I don't condone the behaviour of the protester, but what a strange choice for a pregnant women to make. A picket line is by its very nature intimidating and if she felt scared and uncomfortable, that is kinda the idea! We all know a football crowd has a cross section of people and when people are passionate about something their behaviour can be out of character. Add a large group/crowd and behaviour can be unpredictable.
You only have to read posts above to see that some supporters are saying "try and stop me and see what happens ". You can immagine the puffed out chest and macho purposeful stride through the protesters looking for a reaction and it all kicks off. Really not worth risking an unborn child for a bit of shopping.
The title is a "message to CARD". I am not sure what you expect them to do about it? They can and do ask for good behaviour and we can all do our best to help. Pehaps advise others that pushing your right to pass through a picket line is not the nicest thing to do to your fellow supporters? If you think behaviour is unacceptable you should ask the police for assistance.
Pehaps in future she could be a bit more tactful?
What a great post and a great advert for all those trying to save our club.
Our idea is to scare and intimidate pregnant women!
You are lucky that the club has no one working in PR because if I was in that job your sentence would be all over the website and in the program on Tuesday night.
Or, you're lucky you don't work in PR, it'd be a disaster, you're taking the words of ONE PERSON and turning it into an advert for the entire fan base..... do you really think people would take that seriously?
This was bound to happen and will happen again. As has been said before you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs. When you have protests there will always be some friction at the margins. To be honest I'm surprised everything has gone so smoothly so far. Which is a credit to protesting and non protesting fans.
I support CARD and everything they stand for, every forum I post on I make that clear and really appreciate their efforts and ideas.
However, on this occasion I kind of agree with the opening post as my friend who is pregnant was given some mouth and made to feel scared and uncomfortable when going into the club shop.
I agree that people shouldn't buy from the club AT ALL at the moment and the picket line and protesting is great, but please respect other people's rights not to protest if that's what they want, right or wrong they should have the choice.
All protestors all the time, myself included when I'm there, need to be careful to remember who the enemy is here, my fear is that there are some that get too carried away and are quite nasty to other supporters at times, this reflects badly on the rest of the cause. Can we all just please be a bit more tactful in the future?
I don't condone the behaviour of the protester, but what a strange choice for a pregnant women to make. A picket line is by its very nature intimidating and if she felt scared and uncomfortable, that is kinda the idea! We all know a football crowd has a cross section of people and when people are passionate about something their behaviour can be out of character. Add a large group/crowd and behaviour can be unpredictable.
You only have to read posts above to see that some supporters are saying "try and stop me and see what happens ". You can immagine the puffed out chest and macho purposeful stride through the protesters looking for a reaction and it all kicks off. Really not worth risking an unborn child for a bit of shopping.
The title is a "message to CARD". I am not sure what you expect them to do about it? They can and do ask for good behaviour and we can all do our best to help. Pehaps advise others that pushing your right to pass through a picket line is not the nicest thing to do to your fellow supporters? If you think behaviour is unacceptable you should ask the police for assistance.
Pehaps in future she could be a bit more tactful?
What a great post and a great advert for all those trying to save our club.
Our idea is to scare and intimidate pregnant women!
You are lucky that the club has no one working in PR because if I was in that job your sentence would be all over the website and in the program on Tuesday night.
Or, you're lucky you don't work in PR, it'd be a disaster, you're taking the words of ONE PERSON and turning it into an advert for the entire fan base..... do you really think people would take that seriously?
I support CARD and everything they stand for, every forum I post on I make that clear and really appreciate their efforts and ideas.
However, on this occasion I kind of agree with the opening post as my friend who is pregnant was given some mouth and made to feel scared and uncomfortable when going into the club shop.
I agree that people shouldn't buy from the club AT ALL at the moment and the picket line and protesting is great, but please respect other people's rights not to protest if that's what they want, right or wrong they should have the choice.
All protestors all the time, myself included when I'm there, need to be careful to remember who the enemy is here, my fear is that there are some that get too carried away and are quite nasty to other supporters at times, this reflects badly on the rest of the cause. Can we all just please be a bit more tactful in the future?
I don't condone the behaviour of the protester, but what a strange choice for a pregnant women to make. A picket line is by its very nature intimidating and if she felt scared and uncomfortable, that is kinda the idea! We all know a football crowd has a cross section of people and when people are passionate about something their behaviour can be out of character. Add a large group/crowd and behaviour can be unpredictable.
You only have to read posts above to see that some supporters are saying "try and stop me and see what happens ". You can immagine the puffed out chest and macho purposeful stride through the protesters looking for a reaction and it all kicks off. Really not worth risking an unborn child for a bit of shopping.
The title is a "message to CARD". I am not sure what you expect them to do about it? They can and do ask for good behaviour and we can all do our best to help. Pehaps advise others that pushing your right to pass through a picket line is not the nicest thing to do to your fellow supporters? If you think behaviour is unacceptable you should ask the police for assistance.
Pehaps in future she could be a bit more tactful?
What a great post and a great advert for all those trying to save our club.
Our idea is to scare and intimidate pregnant women!
You are lucky that the club has no one working in PR because if I was in that job your sentence would be all over the website and in the program on Tuesday night.
Or, you're lucky you don't work in PR, it'd be a disaster, you're taking the words of ONE PERSON and turning it into an advert for the entire fan base..... do you really think people would take that seriously?
You are, of course, applying sensible business logic to those running our club - most of whom have demonstrated that they have none.
KM as good as called us racists, do you really think the club would have a problem using this line.
I think you also fail to see the strategy of the club which is, in my view, to make those that are not protesting more and more antagonistic towards those that are.
Threads like this one and the fact that some do not want the protests is evidence that the clubs attempt to 'divide and conquer' might work. I'm not saying it will but even though the vast majority on here are backing CARD and it's, tremendous, efforts I don't, personally, believe that the same proportion of the whole fan base are.
If anyone seriously objects to that good natured little gathering yesterday, I dread to think what state you'll be in if/when the protests ramp up during the season.
Exactly what i was thinking. If it was Millwall they'd probably have burnt the shop down by now!
I support CARD initiatives, but nothing would ever stop me from truly doing something.
However I was online today thinking of buying my son the new away shirt (he has been a bit down with me working abroad), but I couldn't bring myself to buy him one and give the regime my money. Instead I went over to NFL.com and bought him an Oakland Raiders shirt.
One thing re the fairly low-key protests this weekend )and almost nothing inside the ground). Reading the pro-Duchatalet semi-official SE7 Valiant page it is very clear that the club is seeing this as a victory and taking the inactivity as an indication they have perhaps seen off the worst.
I hope this is not the case but the fact that two or three thousand hardcore fans seem to have decided to boycott this season will mean the protects have fewer supporting them and inside the ground will be lower-key, which in turn will perhaps discourage some on the periphery from joining in.
I am not sure what the answer is, but is boycotting (as opposed to not renewing a ST but still turning up on the day) the right approach? Duchatalet has deep pockets and while an inconvenience, I don't think the money will make much difference to him.
there were a lot of people spending lots of money in the shop on Saturday, me included .. thing is that CARD members/supporters have every right to make their protests so long as they do not impinge on the rights of fans who just want to go to enjoy games in an uninterrupted and friendly/peaceful manner. This site is awash with CARD postings and seemingly few anti-card write ups. However, CARD members and I suggest CARD supporters are in a minority, albeit a very vociferous one
there were a lot of people spending lots of money in the shop on Saturday, me included .. thing is that CARD members/supporters have every right to make their protests so long as they do not impinge on the rights of fans who just want to go to enjoy games in an uninterrupted and friendly/peaceful manner. This site is awash with CARD postings and seemingly few anti-card write ups. However, CARD members and I suggest CARD supporters are in a minority, albeit a very vociferous one
5000+ at various protests last season. Not sure how that can be called a minority. Minority at games this season though? Yes, because majority of protestors are boycotting.
there were a lot of people spending lots of money in the shop on Saturday, me included .. thing is that CARD members/supporters have every right to make their protests so long as they do not impinge on the rights of fans who just want to go to enjoy games in an uninterrupted and friendly/peaceful manner. This site is awash with CARD postings and seemingly few anti-card write ups. However, CARD members and I suggest CARD supporters are in a minority, albeit a very vociferous one
I support CARD and everything they stand for, every forum I post on I make that clear and really appreciate their efforts and ideas.
However, on this occasion I kind of agree with the opening post as my friend who is pregnant was given some mouth and made to feel scared and uncomfortable when going into the club shop.
I agree that people shouldn't buy from the club AT ALL at the moment and the picket line and protesting is great, but please respect other people's rights not to protest if that's what they want, right or wrong they should have the choice.
All protestors all the time, myself included when I'm there, need to be careful to remember who the enemy is here, my fear is that there are some that get too carried away and are quite nasty to other supporters at times, this reflects badly on the rest of the cause. Can we all just please be a bit more tactful in the future?
I don't condone the behaviour of the protester, but what a strange choice for a pregnant women to make. A picket line is by its very nature intimidating and if she felt scared and uncomfortable, that is kinda the idea! We all know a football crowd has a cross section of people and when people are passionate about something their behaviour can be out of character. Add a large group/crowd and behaviour can be unpredictable.
You only have to read posts above to see that some supporters are saying "try and stop me and see what happens ". You can immagine the puffed out chest and macho purposeful stride through the protesters looking for a reaction and it all kicks off. Really not worth risking an unborn child for a bit of shopping.
The title is a "message to CARD". I am not sure what you expect them to do about it? They can and do ask for good behaviour and we can all do our best to help. Pehaps advise others that pushing your right to pass through a picket line is not the nicest thing to do to your fellow supporters? If you think behaviour is unacceptable you should ask the police for assistance.
Pehaps in future she could be a bit more tactful?
What a great post and a great advert for all those trying to save our club.
Our idea is to scare and intimidate pregnant women!
You are lucky that the club has no one working in PR because if I was in that job your sentence would be all over the website and in the program on Tuesday night.
Where did I say that "our idea is to scare and intimidate pregnant women"! I said a picket line was by its nature intimidating. (frightening or threatening someone to to persuade them to do as you want) and was simply suggesting it was no suprise she felt that way.
there were a lot of people spending lots of money in the shop on Saturday, me included .. thing is that CARD members/supporters have every right to make their protests so long as they do not impinge on the rights of fans who just want to go to enjoy games in an uninterrupted and friendly/peaceful manner. This site is awash with CARD postings and seemingly few anti-card write ups. However, CARD members and I suggest CARD supporters are in a minority, albeit a very vociferous one
2% perhaps
replies like this make you look a little ridiculous .. we all know that 2% is totally wrong and even supposing the true figure is 30/40/49%, that is still a minority
@Leeds_Addick .. well done for making the long round trip to support CARD
there were a lot of people spending lots of money in the shop on Saturday, me included .. thing is that CARD members/supporters have every right to make their protests so long as they do not impinge on the rights of fans who just want to go to enjoy games in an uninterrupted and friendly/peaceful manner. This site is awash with CARD postings and seemingly few anti-card write ups. However, CARD members and I suggest CARD supporters are in a minority, albeit a very vociferous one
2% perhaps
replies like this make you look a little ridiculous .. we all know that 2% is totally wrong and even supposing the true figure is 30/40/49%, that is still a minority
@Leeds_Addick .. well done for making the long round trip to support CARD
there were a lot of people spending lots of money in the shop on Saturday, me included .. thing is that CARD members/supporters have every right to make their protests so long as they do not impinge on the rights of fans who just want to go to enjoy games in an uninterrupted and friendly/peaceful manner. This site is awash with CARD postings and seemingly few anti-card write ups. However, CARD members and I suggest CARD supporters are in a minority, albeit a very vociferous one
5000+ at various protests last season. Not sure how that can be called a minority. Minority at games this season though? Yes, because majority of protestors are boycotting.
The problem with a boycott is that aside from lower attendances it doesn't do anything tangible. So it becomes accepted that crowds have fallen because of relegation, and the more muted dissent becomes accepted as being a sign of the club are turning things round and winning people over.
there were a lot of people spending lots of money in the shop on Saturday, me included .. thing is that CARD members/supporters have every right to make their protests so long as they do not impinge on the rights of fans who just want to go to enjoy games in an uninterrupted and friendly/peaceful manner. This site is awash with CARD postings and seemingly few anti-card write ups. However, CARD members and I suggest CARD supporters are in a minority, albeit a very vociferous one
2% perhaps
replies like this make you look a little ridiculous .. we all know that 2% is totally wrong and even supposing the true figure is 30/40/49%, that is still a minority
@Leeds_Addick .. well done for making the long round trip to support CARD
A bit touchy today, are we or "wrong side of the bed" syndrome?
there were a lot of people spending lots of money in the shop on Saturday, me included .. thing is that CARD members/supporters have every right to make their protests so long as they do not impinge on the rights of fans who just want to go to enjoy games in an uninterrupted and friendly/peaceful manner. This site is awash with CARD postings and seemingly few anti-card write ups. However, CARD members and I suggest CARD supporters are in a minority, albeit a very vociferous one
5000+ at various protests last season. Not sure how that can be called a minority. Minority at games this season though? Yes, because majority of protestors are boycotting.
The problem with a boycott is that aside from lower attendances it doesn't do anything tangible. So it becomes accepted that crowds have fallen because of relegation, and the more muted dissent becomes accepted as being a sign of the club are turning things round and winning people over.
You may be correct.
However, I cannot physically hand over my hard earned to KM.
I would personally not be able to look at myself in the mirror.
I do not expect people to have the same opinion but that is what I believe.
there were a lot of people spending lots of money in the shop on Saturday, me included .. thing is that CARD members/supporters have every right to make their protests so long as they do not impinge on the rights of fans who just want to go to enjoy games in an uninterrupted and friendly/peaceful manner. This site is awash with CARD postings and seemingly few anti-card write ups. However, CARD members and I suggest CARD supporters are in a minority, albeit a very vociferous one
5000+ at various protests last season. Not sure how that can be called a minority. Minority at games this season though? Yes, because majority of protestors are boycotting.
The problem with a boycott is that aside from lower attendances it doesn't do anything tangible. So it becomes accepted that crowds have fallen because of relegation, and the more muted dissent becomes accepted as being a sign of the club are turning things round and winning people over.
You may be correct.
However, I cannot physically hand over my hard earned to KM.
I would personally not be able to look at myself in the mirror.
I do not expect people to have the same opinion but that is what I believe.
May I offer some views on your post Mogodon.
1. "Aside from lower attendances", to the anticipated future levels is surely due to a combination of relegation and the of CARD-inspired action is indeed tangible. Not sure people outside of the Charlton owners/managers would accept that lower attendances "have fallen because of relegation".
2. "The muted dissent" will clearly be so in numbers due to the fall off in attendances, many of whom (I would suggest) are CARD supporters. Given the excellent record of CARD last season, I have faith in their ability to be further creative this season and lessen the impact of reduced protesters, but recognising it will be a big problem to reach the heights of last season.
I support CARD and everything they stand for, every forum I post on I make that clear and really appreciate their efforts and ideas.
However, on this occasion I kind of agree with the opening post as my friend who is pregnant was given some mouth and made to feel scared and uncomfortable when going into the club shop.
I agree that people shouldn't buy from the club AT ALL at the moment and the picket line and protesting is great, but please respect other people's rights not to protest if that's what they want, right or wrong they should have the choice.
All protestors all the time, myself included when I'm there, need to be careful to remember who the enemy is here, my fear is that there are some that get too carried away and are quite nasty to other supporters at times, this reflects badly on the rest of the cause. Can we all just please be a bit more tactful in the future?
I don't condone the behaviour of the protester, but what a strange choice for a pregnant women to make. A picket line is by its very nature intimidating and if she felt scared and uncomfortable, that is kinda the idea! We all know a football crowd has a cross section of people and when people are passionate about something their behaviour can be out of character. Add a large group/crowd and behaviour can be unpredictable.
You only have to read posts above to see that some supporters are saying "try and stop me and see what happens ". You can immagine the puffed out chest and macho purposeful stride through the protesters looking for a reaction and it all kicks off. Really not worth risking an unborn child for a bit of shopping.
The title is a "message to CARD". I am not sure what you expect them to do about it? They can and do ask for good behaviour and we can all do our best to help. Pehaps advise others that pushing your right to pass through a picket line is not the nicest thing to do to your fellow supporters? If you think behaviour is unacceptable you should ask the police for assistance.
While I don't disagree with protests and I have full support for what CARD are trying to do I'm not comfortable with fans being 'advised' not to do something and I'm even more concerned with how how Grandpa is been riddiculed on here. Every time something like this happens and the individual that exercises his right to his own opinion is 'attacked' CARD lose just a little more support.
If these events continue to happen in the end there will be less support for CARD than there is for the club.
I'm going to ignore any abuse I get for this so you'd be wasting your time giving it but from memory Grandpa has been a reasonable poster on here and has been as keen to remove the Belgians as most others. There does come a point where you will have excluded so many that you really wil be 2%.
I can't think of any historical campaign that has been successful when the members are so quick to turn on their own.
Bring on the abuse......
I agree, at least in principle. As far as I'm concerned, this has been some people voicing their feelings about the protest, others protesting legally, and you're both right--you're both entitled to your opinions.
It seemed that we started careening toward turning on each other at the end of last year when not renewing was being discussed. It feels like there has been a lot more sympathy, as it is a very, very hard decision and that's made me really proud. As far as I'm concerned, no fan is "The Enemy." We will not all agree with each other, you will never have true plurality, but the problem lives in Belgium, not London. We need to respect each person's desire to protest or not protest in their own way, or we're no better than those who we oppose. When RD is gone, we'll all still be Charlton fans.
Just out of curiosity, have you ever been to The Valley?
Out of curiosity, if I hadn't would I be less of a fan or my opinion less valid?
Well, have you or haven't you? It's a simple question.
And if he does not answer the question take it that he's not been.
I'd answer like this either way.
I like how my post about "we're all entitled to our opinions" has become a challenge of "are you fan enough to have an opinion?"
All fans are equal, some are more equal than others, eh?
There was no 'challenge ' as such, but still you can't answer a simple question with a 'yes' or 'no'. Actually, fuck it. You've never been to The Valley or experienced the the Selhurst years, the numerous relegations, the ecstasy as of a play-off final win along with all the other shit, so your 'opinions ' do not carry the weight of all of those that have. Wrap your head around that insensitive bombast. However, I think you're a decent chap and am pleased that you chose to follow Charlton.
Edit: just seen your previous post.Fair dos.
Honestly, I understand that, I really do. Just because I think we're all entitled to an opinion on equal footing does not mean I do not try to have an appreciation of history or that I don't have a massive amount of respect for those who went through something that now seems unfathomable.
Watched this again on Friday night. I'd forgotten how good it is, especially John Goodman being excellent at being stupid.
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Our idea is to scare and intimidate pregnant women!
You are lucky that the club has no one working in PR because if I was in that job your sentence would be all over the website and in the program on Tuesday night.
Haven't renewed, picked up a freebie in The White Swan, thanks to the CARD initiative. Tried to put money into the CARD coffers, but it was refused on the basis that it might have been seen as an illegal payment towards the ticket (I will make a PayPal donation today).
Spent some time talking to CARD members outside the club shop; seemed very polite and civilised to me and didn't witness any of the "issues" mentioned on here.
Sat in the East Stand and it was obvious that many were also there on Freebies. I guess that with the free tickets artificially inflating attendance numbers, the gate on Tuesday will be more reflective.The ease of the journey home via Blackwall Tunnel made it obvious that many, like me, had not renewed their season tickets and had not attended the game.
I was really disappointed by the relatively large number of people buying programmes and wearing new shirts, but I guess in part this was due to the "first timers" on a freebie. It seems to me that CARD and their supporters (of whom I am one of the latter) has still some "conversion" work to be done on regular supporters. As an example, I met prior to the game with two long-term friends who I see very irregularly; they have both renewed and the comment from one was "I cant influence the ownership outcome".
Finally, I felt detached from the game and the outcome. I didn't feel any love, association or wellbeing for the club or players; just felt a numbness and questioned why I attended.
When you have protests there will always be some friction at the margins. To be honest I'm surprised everything has gone so smoothly so far. Which is a credit to protesting and non protesting fans.
KM as good as called us racists, do you really think the club would have a problem using this line.
I think you also fail to see the strategy of the club which is, in my view, to make those that are not protesting more and more antagonistic towards those that are.
Threads like this one and the fact that some do not want the protests is evidence that the clubs attempt to 'divide and conquer' might work. I'm not saying it will but even though the vast majority on here are backing CARD and it's, tremendous, efforts I don't, personally, believe that the same proportion of the whole fan base are.
I thought it was basically a forum that invited ideas etc. Sure there are people who shout louder than others but it's not a closed shop is it?
However I was online today thinking of buying my son the new away shirt (he has been a bit down with me working abroad), but I couldn't bring myself to buy him one and give the regime my money. Instead I went over to NFL.com and bought him an Oakland Raiders shirt.
I hope this is not the case but the fact that two or three thousand hardcore fans seem to have decided to boycott this season will mean the protects have fewer supporting them and inside the ground will be lower-key, which in turn will perhaps discourage some on the periphery from joining in.
I am not sure what the answer is, but is boycotting (as opposed to not renewing a ST but still turning up on the day) the right approach? Duchatalet has deep pockets and while an inconvenience, I don't think the money will make much difference to him.
This site is awash with CARD postings and seemingly few anti-card write ups. However, CARD members and I suggest CARD supporters are in a minority, albeit a very vociferous one
Minority at games this season though? Yes, because majority of protestors are boycotting.
@Leeds_Addick .. well done for making the long round trip to support CARD
However, I cannot physically hand over my hard earned to KM.
I would personally not be able to look at myself in the mirror.
I do not expect people to have the same opinion but that is what I believe.
1. "Aside from lower attendances", to the anticipated future levels is surely due to a combination of relegation and the of CARD-inspired action is indeed tangible. Not sure people outside of the Charlton owners/managers would accept that lower attendances "have fallen because of relegation".
2. "The muted dissent" will clearly be so in numbers due to the fall off in attendances, many of whom (I would suggest) are CARD supporters. Given the excellent record of CARD last season, I have faith in their ability to be further creative this season and lessen the impact of reduced protesters, but recognising it will be a big problem to reach the heights of last season.
Enjoy your day
Grow up.