While I don't disagree with protests and I have full support for what CARD are trying to do I'm not comfortable with fans being 'advised' not to do something and I'm even more concerned with how how Grandpa is been riddiculed on here. Every time something like this happens and the individual that exercises his right to his own opinion is 'attacked' CARD lose just a little more support.
If these events continue to happen in the end there will be less support for CARD than there is for the club.
I'm going to ignore any abuse I get for this so you'd be wasting your time giving it but from memory Grandpa has been a reasonable poster on here and has been as keen to remove the Belgians as most others. There does come a point where you will have excluded so many that you really wil be 2%.
I can't think of any historical campaign that has been successful when the members are so quick to turn on their own.
Bring on the abuse......
I agree, at least in principle. As far as I'm concerned, this has been some people voicing their feelings about the protest, others protesting legally, and you're both right--you're both entitled to your opinions.
It seemed that we started careening toward turning on each other at the end of last year when not renewing was being discussed. It feels like there has been a lot more sympathy, as it is a very, very hard decision and that's made me really proud. As far as I'm concerned, no fan is "The Enemy." We will not all agree with each other, you will never have true plurality, but the problem lives in Belgium, not London. We need to respect each person's desire to protest or not protest in their own way, or we're no better than those who we oppose. When RD is gone, we'll all still be Charlton fans.
Just out of curiosity, have you ever been to The Valley?
I don't know if that was aimed at me but if it was I can confirm that I have been to The Valley quite a few times.
I quoted SDAddick, so it was obviously aimed at you...
Technically you quoted both of us and I am on a mobile facing the sun, but I am a little thick so it comes as no surprise that I would get that wrong.
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I'm thick when it comes to Internet bollocks. No offence intended, dear man.
I, probably, should have also mentioned that I've been drinking all day.
Some idiot tried to stop me and my grandson from going in to the shop but when I told him to fuck off, out of earshot of my grandson I might add, he soon backed off. Some of these morons who are protesting really do CARD no justice at all. Foul mouthed abuse happened a lot last season from protesters. Really does not help the cause.
So much hate on here at the moment! We all support Charlton and want Roland out! The way to do it is not all this fighting between ourselves. We either boycott or protest, does it matter which? We will never achieve 0% revenue for Roland but if the protests say for example cost Roland money week in week out then it was a success and it doesn't matter if someone wanted to buy his grandson a programme, we are constantly hitting Roland where it hurts so well done card!!
Anyway, a way to stop this infighting is to have a Charlton life party. 12 noon Charlton park before the next home game. According to @ricky_otto it's @ElfsborgAddick round!
Don't hold your breath. @ElfsborgAddick needs a sat nav for his hand to find his pockets.
Some idiot tried to stop me and my grandson from going in to the shop but when I told him to fuck off, out of earshot of my grandson I might add, he soon backed off. Some of these morons who are protesting really do CARD no justice at all. Foul mouthed abuse happened a lot last season from protesters. Really does not help the cause.
Some idiot tried to stop me and my grandson from going in to the shop but when I told him to fuck off, out of earshot of my grandson I might add, he soon backed off. Some of these morons who are protesting really do CARD no justice at all. Foul mouthed abuse happened a lot last season from protesters. Really does not help the cause.
We do seem to have a number of regime supporters who will go out of their way to be offended by the protests.
So much hate on here at the moment! We all support Charlton and want Roland out! The way to do it is not all this fighting between ourselves. We either boycott or protest, does it matter which? We will never achieve 0% revenue for Roland but if the protests say for example cost Roland money week in week out then it was a success and it doesn't matter if someone wanted to buy his grandson a programme, we are constantly hitting Roland where it hurts so well done card!!
Anyway, a way to stop this infighting is to have a Charlton life party. 12 noon Charlton park before the next home game. According to @ricky_otto it's @ElfsborgAddick round!
I'd love to oblige but I'll be doing a Kent League game that day.
As has been said from the off. Everyone has a right to do as they see fit. If that means buy season-tickets, replica kit, pay the extortionate prices for very average food and drink, and refuse to join in any anti-regime chants, then that's an individual's right and we should respect it and leave them alone. Just as we have a right to do all we can. within the bounds of decency and the law, the hound the loathed Duchatalet, the simply appalling Meire, and the Quisling Murray until they all bugger off.
The one thing we must not do is turn on each other because when Roland is dead and buried and Katrien has disappeared up her own CV we will be the ones still supporting the club and trying to help rebuild it from the shambles they will leave.
Yes but they also have a right to make an informed decision. Some people I spoke to hadn't made the connection between buying a program and funding Roland.
Grandpa is obviously a regime supporter or just a trouble maker and I find his claims offensive as he is clearly trying to up a non event into the crime of the century and put CARD in a bad light. Police to be called to a few fans standing there holding a placard. Really? Asked to not to buy stuff? Shocking! Were you scared even though there were bouncers everywhere?
Sorry mate, but you must have been about back in the good old days when unions had a bit of strength; and a simple request like this would have marked your card and you would have understood how to behave and the consequences of not doing so. Your decision from then in.
However you did not get threatened with a smack in the face, just a simple request not to spend your money in the shop. This means that it was as friendly as anyone can expect when temperatures are raised. If you felt a bit intimidated, go buy on line or during the week. What a whinger.
Some idiot tried to stop me and my grandson from going in to the shop but when I told him to fuck off, out of earshot of my grandson I might add, he soon backed off. Some of these morons who are protesting really do CARD no justice at all. Foul mouthed abuse happened a lot last season from protesters. Really does not help the cause.
OK Roger.
Hey, hey, hey. We can disagree over protests and opinions, but we should NEVER stoop so low as to call each other Roger Johnson. Unless WiltshireAddick is Roger Johnson, at which point I'd like to say "you know you can't swear the ball away from the net, right?"
I support CARD and everything they stand for, every forum I post on I make that clear and really appreciate their efforts and ideas.
However, on this occasion I kind of agree with the opening post as my friend who is pregnant was given some mouth and made to feel scared and uncomfortable when going into the club shop.
I agree that people shouldn't buy from the club AT ALL at the moment and the picket line and protesting is great, but please respect other people's rights not to protest if that's what they want, right or wrong they should have the choice.
All protestors all the time, myself included when I'm there, need to be careful to remember who the enemy is here, my fear is that there are some that get too carried away and are quite nasty to other supporters at times, this reflects badly on the rest of the cause. Can we all just please be a bit more tactful in the future?
Don't fund Roland? Did any of those pay for tickets as that contradicts the placard if so surely?
Not really. If people want to get in and support OUR team they'll have to blag some freebies or buy a ticket. Nobody needs a gnome or new scarf.
No, it literally does contradict it though. If you are standing there with a placard telling people "Don't fund Roland" and then paying for a ticket and funding Roland it is a contradiction.
Regardless if you are funding him £5 for a scarf or £20 for a ticket by paying the club money you are funding Roland.
It seems a bit hypocritical standing there telling people not to pay money to the club shop a large percentage of which will go to the outsource provider rather than Roland and then going to hand over a score to him directly over the ticket office.
I'm all for not funding this mob in the slightest in anyway and think an empty stadium for a few games would speak volumes and a total boycott of paying them ANY money is a serious gesture of protest and the most logical way to speed their departure if monetary boycott is being used at a tactic....but surely you can see the irony of standing there saying don't fund them and then funding them?! ;-)
I wasn't there yesterday but I'd like to thank those who took the trouble to protest outside the club shop. They spent their time and their energy trying and make our club a better place. They deserve praise not contempt. Well done one and all.
I saw the purpose of the protest/placards as an opportunity to make some people pause and think rather than go straight into the shop. There was no hidden agenda just a way of making a peaceful point. If anyone decided not to buy anything great but if they did fair enough. I realise that as I wasn't there this is only an opinion but from past experience even the vociferous protests organised by CARD have not felt threatening - impassioned yes - and I imagine that was the backdrop on Saturday.
How do you know everyone picketing the shop bought a ticket? What if they used CARD freebies? I recall reading on here a lot of people saying they would boycott games, yet still attend protests.
I think it is entirely right to point out to potential club shop customers that they might want to consider not doing so and this should continue. I don't think there needs to be any threatening or aggressive tone when doing this. It should always be polite and respectful. If the line was crossed, it is natural. It happens on picket lines and is a consequence of strong views and emotions. CARD should just brief the next people manning the 'picket line' not to cross the line. I'm not saying it was crossed, just suggesting that we need to make sure the tone is right. But those entering the club shop have no right to feel comfortable doing so - that should be down to their conscience.
How do you know everyone picketing the shop bought a ticket? What if they used CARD freebies? I recall reading on here a lot of people saying they would boycott games, yet still attend protests.
Which is what I did (used a freebie). Others there I know didn't have tickets and were planning to go to the pub or go home.
Can't speak for everyone there but certainly not all the protesters paid for match tickets
I have to say I felt slightly odd protesting yesterday. Amazed at how little reference to Roland there was among my neighbours in the east stand. I'll reserve judgement until results go pear shaped but I did feel a little like a rebel without a cause. I hope this doesn't signal benign acceptance of Roland et al but it did all feel a bit meh yesterday.
I think that this is the inevitable scenario we could expect at the start of this season. So many of us have not renewed season tickets (my ST was in East stand)and neither are we attending home matches so the audible voice of dissent will not be so evident compared to last season. However if we continue to hover around the bottom of League 1 the crowd will do either or both of two things - audibly chant and/or not bother coming. As has been said so often it is going to take time to get rid of RD and KM.
Don't fund Roland? Did any of those pay for tickets as that contradicts the placard if so surely?
Not really. If people want to get in and support OUR team they'll have to blag some freebies or buy a ticket. Nobody needs a gnome or new scarf.
No, it literally does contradict it though. If you are standing there with a placard telling people "Don't fund Roland" and then paying for a ticket and funding Roland it is a contradiction.
Regardless if you are funding him £5 for a scarf or £20 for a ticket by paying the club money you are funding Roland.
It seems a bit hypocritical standing there telling people not to pay money to the club shop a large percentage of which will go to the outsource provider rather than Roland and then going to hand over a score to him directly over the ticket office.
I'm all for not funding this mob in the slightest in anyway and think an empty stadium for a few games would speak volumes and a total boycott of paying them ANY money is a serious gesture of protest and the most logical way to speed their departure if monetary boycott is being used at a tactic....but surely you can see the irony of standing there saying don't fund them and then funding them?! ;-)
I protested outside the shop and then went home, I didn't buy a ticket to the match, I'm not going until Roland et al are gone. So no hypocrisy from me!
How do you know everyone picketing the shop bought a ticket? What if they used CARD freebies? I recall reading on here a lot of people saying they would boycott games, yet still attend protests.
I don't. My original post asked if any had as that would contradict the placard. If they all got freebies then brilliant, if they just turned up to protest without even going to the game then that's remarkable commitment and should be lauded.
If you're standing there with a placard encouraging others not to spend in the shop (and even telling shoppers as reported on here) but have or will pay for a match ticket this season then there is a contradiction and hypocrisy there no matter how much it's spun or tried to be justified. Pay ANY money to the club this season whether it be tickets, merchandise or internet subscriptions then you are funding the regime.
Now if you are of the mind that you want to support the team and therefore the only way to do it is pay for a ticket then that's your choice and fair enough. It's not down for anyone to tell any other fan what to do. But to tell others not to fund Roland and then fund Roland themselves is unique.
It's a good point that protests appear to have tailed off. However, if the figures are accurate and 45 percent of season ticket holders did not re-new (including myself) then it would be fairly obvious that the bulk of hardcore anti RD supporters will no longer be at games.
I think it is entirely right to point out to potential club shop customers that they might want to consider not doing so and this should continue. I don't think there needs to be any threatening or aggressive tone when doing this. It should always be polite and respectful. If the line was crossed, it is natural. It happens on picket lines and is a consequence of strong views and emotions. CARD should just brief the next people manning the 'picket line' not to cross the line. I'm not saying it was crossed, just suggesting that we need to make sure the tone is right. But those entering the club shop have no right to feel comfortable doing so - that should be down to their conscience.
So is it down to their own conscience? Or do they have no right to fee comfortable because you said so?
What next? Are you going to issue ABC's to fans to tell them what they must feel based on what they do?
You do see the irony in what you say/write don't you?
It's a good point that protests appear to have tailed off. However, if the figures are accurate and 45 percent of season ticket holders did not re-new (including myself) then it would be fairly obvious that the bulk of hardcore anti RD supporters will no longer be at games.
After one game how can you tell?
It's a long season and it might well be an even longer campaign.
No, I am giving my opinion from my perspective - If they are happy doing so, that is for them from their perspective. I may have worded better, but my sentiment is that those entering shouldn't be saying people can't or shouldn't point out that they shouldn't be.
I have several times confirmed my support for legitimate protest, but on Saturday upon try to enter the Club Shop we were told by an individual stationed by the entrance door not to spend any money. I object very strongly to his approach, he could easily have caused the Police to become involved, which should not be your aim. As it happens we were there just to look, but as I understand Roland does not get any retail profit from the shop, only rent from the franchisee which am sure he has already pocketed. Please be aware that I believe that people like this individual ( short,fat, dressed in dark clothing ) is likely to make your cause more difficult.
I would just like to say to any protesters or CARD members.
Please don't try to tell me how, or what, to spend my money on. You will be given a right flea in your ear...
I may have been the person you saw at the shop entrance on Saturday (albeit that I am not short and fat) and all I said to you was "don't buy one of theirs, buy one of ours" highlighting the supporters shirt offering. At no point did I step in your way or stop you entering the store, I was polite and had used the same approach all afternoon without any form of confrontation, indeed most people were very pleasant. You on the other hand were very aggressive and abusive towards me telling me to "Fuck off" among other comments that neither I or others with me were able to understand. If as you suggest the police were to have become involved it would have been you who they would have spoken to about your abusive language and aggressive attitude. We all have a right to protest and picket etc as long as it is done within the law which all of us were. If you were not the person I refer to all well and good but as usual there are two sides to every story. I have been a supporter for just over 50 years and saddens me that because of this regime lots of what should be positive help and assistance (so much imagination and skill and more professionalism than Ms Meire and her cohorts have shown) for the club is now being lost. I will continue to "support the team but not the regime" until Mr Duchatelet comes to his senses and admits that his "Network" idea does not work and he sells up.
I stood in front of the shop, I saw no aggression. But I heard two guys walking past, one said" see they are still at it, thought they would have given up by now" That's the attitude we must change ie apathy to RD and KM ruining the club. Yes we are still at it and I hope will continue until Charlton are back.
I support CARD and everything they stand for, every forum I post on I make that clear and really appreciate their efforts and ideas.
However, on this occasion I kind of agree with the opening post as my friend who is pregnant was given some mouth and made to feel scared and uncomfortable when going into the club shop.
I agree that people shouldn't buy from the club AT ALL at the moment and the picket line and protesting is great, but please respect other people's rights not to protest if that's what they want, right or wrong they should have the choice.
All protestors all the time, myself included when I'm there, need to be careful to remember who the enemy is here, my fear is that there are some that get too carried away and are quite nasty to other supporters at times, this reflects badly on the rest of the cause. Can we all just please be a bit more tactful in the future?
I don't condone the behaviour of the protester, but what a strange choice for a pregnant women to make. A picket line is by its very nature intimidating and if she felt scared and uncomfortable, that is kinda the idea! We all know a football crowd has a cross section of people and when people are passionate about something their behaviour can be out of character. Add a large group/crowd and behaviour can be unpredictable.
You only have to read posts above to see that some supporters are saying "try and stop me and see what happens ". You can immagine the puffed out chest and macho purposeful stride through the protesters looking for a reaction and it all kicks off. Really not worth risking an unborn child for a bit of shopping.
The title is a "message to CARD". I am not sure what you expect them to do about it? They can and do ask for good behaviour and we can all do our best to help. Pehaps advise others that pushing your right to pass through a picket line is not the nicest thing to do to your fellow supporters? If you think behaviour is unacceptable you should ask the police for assistance.
How do you know everyone picketing the shop bought a ticket? What if they used CARD freebies? I recall reading on here a lot of people saying they would boycott games, yet still attend protests.
I don't. My original post asked if any had as that would contradict the placard. If they all got freebies then brilliant, if they just turned up to protest without even going to the game then that's remarkable commitment and should be lauded.
If you're standing there with a placard encouraging others not to spend in the shop (and even telling shoppers as reported on here) but have or will pay for a match ticket this season then there is a contradiction and hypocrisy there no matter how much it's spun or tried to be justified. Pay ANY money to the club this season whether it be tickets, merchandise or internet subscriptions then you are funding the regime.
Now if you are of the mind that you want to support the team and therefore the only way to do it is pay for a ticket then that's your choice and fair enough. It's not down for anyone to tell any other fan what to do. But to tell others not to fund Roland and then fund Roland themselves is unique.
Unless it's you who's doing the telling, it appears, unique.
If people find it so upsetting having someone asking them to consider their options whilst entering a shop, they really may be better off staying indoors 24/7, I imagine the world to be quite a worrying place for someone of such a weak disposition.
Not sure why but people seem to talk about CARD like its some hive mind single entity controlling willing supporters like a puppeteer... "CARD should be ashamed", "CARD ruined the day", "CARD ate my baby".
People do what they want. CARD as a collection of people puts out mild, legal protest ideas.
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Sorry mate, but you must have been about back in the good old days when unions had a bit of strength; and a simple request like this would have marked your card and you would have understood how to behave and the consequences of not doing so. Your decision from then in.
However you did not get threatened with a smack in the face, just a simple request not to spend your money in the shop. This means that it was as friendly as anyone can expect when temperatures are raised. If you felt a bit intimidated, go buy on line or during the week. What a whinger.
Act your age and grow up. "Bad light" my arse.
However, on this occasion I kind of agree with the opening post as my friend who is pregnant was given some mouth and made to feel scared and uncomfortable when going into the club shop.
I agree that people shouldn't buy from the club AT ALL at the moment and the picket line and protesting is great, but please respect other people's rights not to protest if that's what they want, right or wrong they should have the choice.
All protestors all the time, myself included when I'm there, need to be careful to remember who the enemy is here, my fear is that there are some that get too carried away and are quite nasty to other supporters at times, this reflects badly on the rest of the cause. Can we all just please be a bit more tactful in the future?
CARD don't represent the whole fan base. I am actively boycotting all home matches and cup games.
CARD haven't asked fans to do this. I am taking this stance because I believe it is the correct decision.
I am huge supporter of CARD even though I don't agree with all there choices.
Regardless if you are funding him £5 for a scarf or £20 for a ticket by paying the club money you are funding Roland.
It seems a bit hypocritical standing there telling people not to pay money to the club shop a large percentage of which will go to the outsource provider rather than Roland and then going to hand over a score to him directly over the ticket office.
I'm all for not funding this mob in the slightest in anyway and think an empty stadium for a few games would speak volumes and a total boycott of paying them ANY money is a serious gesture of protest and the most logical way to speed their departure if monetary boycott is being used at a tactic....but surely you can see the irony of standing there saying don't fund them and then funding them?! ;-)
Can't speak for everyone there but certainly not all the protesters paid for match tickets
If you're standing there with a placard encouraging others not to spend in the shop (and even telling shoppers as reported on here) but have or will pay for a match ticket this season then there is a contradiction and hypocrisy there no matter how much it's spun or tried to be justified. Pay ANY money to the club this season whether it be tickets, merchandise or internet subscriptions then you are funding the regime.
Now if you are of the mind that you want to support the team and therefore the only way to do it is pay for a ticket then that's your choice and fair enough. It's not down for anyone to tell any other fan what to do. But to tell others not to fund Roland and then fund Roland themselves is unique.
What next? Are you going to issue ABC's to fans to tell them what they must feel based on what they do?
You do see the irony in what you say/write don't you?
It's a long season and it might well be an even longer campaign.
But I heard two guys walking past, one said" see they are still at it, thought they would have given up by now"
That's the attitude we must change ie apathy to RD and KM ruining the club.
Yes we are still at it and I hope will continue until Charlton are back.
You only have to read posts above to see that some supporters are saying "try and stop me and see what happens ". You can immagine the puffed out chest and macho purposeful stride through the protesters looking for a reaction and it all kicks off. Really not worth risking an unborn child for a bit of shopping.
The title is a "message to CARD". I am not sure what you expect them to do about it? They can and do ask for good behaviour and we can all do our best to help. Pehaps advise others that pushing your right to pass through a picket line is not the nicest thing to do to your fellow supporters? If you think behaviour is unacceptable you should ask the police for assistance.
Pehaps in future she could be a bit more tactful?
If people find it so upsetting having someone asking them to consider their options whilst entering a shop, they really may be better off staying indoors 24/7, I imagine the world to be quite a worrying place for someone of such a weak disposition.
People do what they want. CARD as a collection of people puts out mild, legal protest ideas.