fair enough but I will be there however the season goes - my season ticket purchase is not an endorsement of the regime or based on how the season goes although had they not changed strategy at all, I may not have renewed. All or nothing for me.
How is paying RD £xxx.xxx for a season ticket anything other than an endorsement of him and his regime?
if you can only look at things in one way then i cannot help you - you need to open your mind up a little would be my advice
It was a genuine question Doucher. I don't understand how you have rationalized in your own mind that you are not endorsing RD, even though you are paying him money.
Because I have had a season ticket for over 30 years and its what I do. I had one at Selhurst - hated the place, I had one at Upton park, I had one under the spivs etc etc - I won't be buying merchandise from the club shop and any other extras but I will not let them stop me from going to football - its what I do and it is an unavoidable consequence of being allowed in, that you have to pay for it. Its really not difficult to understand. Do you think every chairman in the league is counting every season ticket and thinking all those that have bought are endorsing them?
Well I kind of get that mate. The money you pay is essentially renting a seat every fortnight for 90 minutes from a landlord you dislike.
I still think the best long term plan for the club is to try and get rid of the landlord. And the only way you will do this is to stop renting from him, even though he is mega wealthy - all business people hate losing money.
But I respect and understand your decision to renew.
It could be argued that Katrien is getting what she understands / wants from a 'business' from some - a customer base like that of a restaurant or cinema - don't like the product, don't pay to get in as opposed to paying to get in but complaining. I bet she will enjoy the match day experience much more if most of the hard core protesters are elsewhere. Just another way of looking at things of course, no need to reel out the counter argument.
No it couldn't be argued that at all. She is a CEO, are you seriously saying she would be happy that she is a CEO of a club which has lost its fans and revenue streams? Unless you think this mob have ulterior motives to close us down / move us away and are purposefully driving fans away?
Interesting times ahead. The owners have hired a British 'manager' who seems keen to stamp his authority on the club. He is slowly building a back room team and the signings, IMO, seem decent. I abhor the happenings since the Belgian take over, we have horribly regressed into league one. Other than sell leave, which the Belgians seem unlikely to do, what will the fans tolerate? If we play well and look like possible contenders for promotion, do we get behind Russel Slade, if he is supported and aided by the regime? I suspect that Roland's biggest hope is that fans will live in the present IF we start to show success.
I will only b attending Northern 'away' league games due to my location.
I can't see myself coming back to a season ticket whilst KM is still there. I am as fickle as the next fan and if RD was to fire her and really change strategy then fine.... To put it crudely, he has the money to change my mind and I can ignore his weirdness. She has burnt every bridge and olive branch given to her... And there have been many.
I suspect there are several fans/even sponsors with a similar outlook to me and it is all the more strange why she remains in post.
didnt say it was a cast iron guarantee of anything but a definite change of strategy however blinkered you are
You're a dream poster boy for the regime. A few early signings and you think there's a fundamental change by these owners? Might want to wait and see what the squad looks like first. You could also guess that it was a calculated move to sign 3 english players before they start offloading anyone with a chance of bringing a fee in. No-one knows yet do they and it's nothing to do with being blinkered is it? Why the constant cheerleading?
why the constant sniping at everything i say? it s a fact there has been a change in strategy so shove it of you don't like it - if there had been no change, i would have questioned whether to renew so however entrenched you are just accept that not everybody sees it like you alright?
You're the one that comes on here telling people they're blinkered and saying like it's a fact that the Belgians have changed their strategy and philosophy. It's unbelievably early days and they have done a lot of damage to the club and have zero credit in the bank with a lot of fans. I think Slade is a potentially excellent appointment, we'll see about the players and whether they are good replacements for the inevitable departures, I hope they are. I will give them my support as I supported the team last season and as the season approaches I'm excited for it to begin. But to say I am willing to forgive and forget the things the owners have said and done for the last 2 years will take a bit more than what's gone on in the last month. Good for you that you feel like everything is now sorted and I don't expect you to see it like me, but you are on here constantly banging on about how things have changed so don't be surprised when people challenge you.
It is a fact there has been a change in strategy. I have never said all is now ok or the last 2 years are forgotten or indeed this is anything other than a temporary change. I have seen enough change however to renew and most I go with feel the same. That's it in a nutshell. I understand all you are saying and the fact that you and others on here are so entrenched that you feel you can do little else so fair enough. I'm just hoping as many as possible renew now so I'm only in a half empty stadium rather than a three quarter empty one. I can respect your position but you will not stop me coming on here and airing my views occasionally, even if they don't align with how you are going about things. I'm all for - one out, all out - but this isn't politics or a strike - its a football club and the rules are not the same. Not for me anyway.
It could be argued that Katrien is getting what she understands / wants from a 'business' from some - a customer base like that of a restaurant or cinema - don't like the product, don't pay to get in as opposed to paying to get in but complaining. I bet she will enjoy the match day experience much more if most of the hard core protesters are elsewhere. Just another way of looking at things of course, no need to reel out the counter argument.
No it couldn't be argued that at all. She is a CEO, are you seriously saying she would be happy that she is a CEO of a club which has lost its fans and revenue streams? Unless you think this mob have ulterior motives to close us down / move us away and are purposefully driving fans away?
It's not good business but given her treatment last year I bet she is glad she has seen a lot off
It could be argued that Katrien is getting what she understands / wants from a 'business' from some - a customer base like that of a restaurant or cinema - don't like the product, don't pay to get in as opposed to paying to get in but complaining. I bet she will enjoy the match day experience much more if most of the hard core protesters are elsewhere. Just another way of looking at things of course, no need to reel out the counter argument.
No it couldn't be argued that at all. She is a CEO, are you seriously saying she would be happy that she is a CEO of a club which has lost its fans and revenue streams? Unless you think this mob have ulterior motives to close us down / move us away and are purposefully driving fans away?
It's not good business but given her treatment last year I bet she is glad she has seen a lot off
Have given you the benefit of the doubt till this post.
Another apologist of the Belgians.
Meire has got what she deserves and is an absolute disgrace.
Interesting times ahead. The owners have hired a British 'manager' who seems keen to stamp his authority on the club. He is slowly building a back room team and the signings, IMO, seem decent. I abhor the happenings since the Belgian take over, we have horribly regressed into league one. Other than sell leave, which the Belgians seem unlikely to do, what will the fans tolerate? If we play well and look like possible contenders for promotion, do we get behind Russel Slade, if he is supported and aided by the regime? I suspect that Roland's biggest hope is that fans will live in the present IF we start to show success.
I will only b attending Northern 'away' league games due to my location.
I can't see myself coming back to a season ticket whilst KM is still there. I am as fickle as the next fan and if RD was to fire her and really change strategy then fine.... To put it crudely, he has the money to change my mind and I can ignore his weirdness. She has burnt every bridge and olive branch given to her... And there have been many.
I suspect there are several fans/even sponsors with a similar outlook to me and it is all the more strange why she remains in post.
It could be argued that Katrien is getting what she understands / wants from a 'business' from some - a customer base like that of a restaurant or cinema - don't like the product, don't pay to get in as opposed to paying to get in but complaining. I bet she will enjoy the match day experience much more if most of the hard core protesters are elsewhere. Just another way of looking at things of course, no need to reel out the counter argument.
No it couldn't be argued that at all. She is a CEO, are you seriously saying she would be happy that she is a CEO of a club which has lost its fans and revenue streams? Unless you think this mob have ulterior motives to close us down / move us away and are purposefully driving fans away?
It's not good business but given her treatment last year I bet she is glad she has seen a lot off
Have given you the benefit of the doubt till this post.
Another apologist of the Belgians.
Meire has got what she deserves and is an absolute disgrace.
I think she's in for a nasty shock when she realises what League One comprises. Remember, she'll know less about that than any of us.
It could be argued that Katrien is getting what she understands / wants from a 'business' from some - a customer base like that of a restaurant or cinema - don't like the product, don't pay to get in as opposed to paying to get in but complaining. I bet she will enjoy the match day experience much more if most of the hard core protesters are elsewhere. Just another way of looking at things of course, no need to reel out the counter argument.
No it couldn't be argued that at all. She is a CEO, are you seriously saying she would be happy that she is a CEO of a club which has lost its fans and revenue streams? Unless you think this mob have ulterior motives to close us down / move us away and are purposefully driving fans away?
It's not good business but given her treatment last year I bet she is glad she has seen a lot off
So could you ask Richard Murray why he supports a CEO who is more interested in an easy life than she is in the welfare of the business she is CEO/Custodian of? Especially as you seem to think she will sit in a stadium with 5,000 fans (a reduction of c 66% from when purchased), in a division below where they started and with seriously more debt and be happy with her work.
Calm down - I didn't say she didn't deserve some of what she got, I'm just thinking from her perspective - she will be relieved some have not renewed I suspect
It could be argued that Katrien is getting what she understands / wants from a 'business' from some - a customer base like that of a restaurant or cinema - don't like the product, don't pay to get in as opposed to paying to get in but complaining. I bet she will enjoy the match day experience much more if most of the hard core protesters are elsewhere. Just another way of looking at things of course, no need to reel out the counter argument.
No it couldn't be argued that at all. She is a CEO, are you seriously saying she would be happy that she is a CEO of a club which has lost its fans and revenue streams? Unless you think this mob have ulterior motives to close us down / move us away and are purposefully driving fans away?
It's not good business but given her treatment last year I bet she is glad she has seen a lot off
So could you ask Richard Murray why he supports a CEO who is more interested in an easy life than she is in the welfare of the business she is CEO/Custodian of? Especially as you seem to think she will sit in a stadium with 5,000 fans (a reduction of c 66% from when purchased), in a division below where they started and with seriously more debt and be happy with her work.
I doubt he does but this does not appear to be a normal business she is working for and he can only try to influence, not call the shots - my understanding is the change of strategy is a direct result of a request from both km and rm - albeit post the obvious failure of the network model
I have had season tickets for two years to get My son into football and as a Charlton supporter.
As a result, I've ended up in the Roland out camp.
We didn't make every home game, even with the ones his mum took him to. It would have been cheaper to have paid by game.
My only concern is that in not buying season tickets, his mum will not go or will take him elsewhere loosening his ties to Charlton.
I'm not minded to buy season tickets but i have thought about it quite a lot.
If he ends up supporting West Ham, Chelsea or arsenal with mates, what's going to seem more important when you look back, buying the season tickets or waiting out for RD to sell ?
I have had season tickets for two years to get My son into football and as a Charlton supporter.
As a result, I've ended up in the Roland out camp.
We didn't make every home game, even with the ones his mum took him to. It would have been cheaper to have paid by game.
My only concern is that in not buying season tickets, his mum will not go or will take him elsewhere loosening his ties to Charlton.
I'm not minded to buy season tickets but i have thought about it quite a lot.
If he ends up supporting West Ham, Chelsea or arsenal with mates, what's going to seem more important when you look back, buying the season tickets or waiting out for RD to sell ?
Really after last seasons scintillating football as if his kid isn't hooked on this megalomaniacs experiment
he can still look him in the eye and say that in his heart he did what he believed was right even if it was clearly the harder more principled approach
Good interview and clearly wants to talk up the positives, however a slow start to the season and squad not fit for a promotion challenge by the beginning of September could see some awkward questions coming his way re promises and guarantees from the ones that cannot be trusted.
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I still think the best long term plan for the club is to try and get rid of the landlord. And the only way you will do this is to stop renting from him, even though he is mega wealthy - all business people hate losing money.
But I respect and understand your decision to renew.
I suspect there are several fans/even sponsors with a similar outlook to me and it is all the more strange why she remains in post.
Another apologist of the Belgians.
Meire has got what she deserves and is an absolute disgrace.
As a result, I've ended up in the Roland out camp.
We didn't make every home game, even with the ones his mum took him to. It would have been cheaper to have paid by game.
My only concern is that in not buying season tickets, his mum will not go or will take him elsewhere loosening his ties to Charlton.
I'm not minded to buy season tickets but i have thought about it quite a lot.
he can still look him in the eye and say that in his heart he did what he believed was right even if it was clearly the harder more principled approach