It's about sending a message. Not buying a season ticket sends them a message.
Unfortunately, the message that will be received by RD, KM and everybody else that you are trying to send a message to including any potential new buyers is that Charlton was relegated last season and fans drifted away. I doubt the loss of income will really hurt RD so the only people that will lose out is the team, your fellow fans and YOU.
Some people think that there is a principle involved with the non-attending.
I agree, there is a principle with not attending but if the team does well then who is going to be hurt more by that principle, RD or the fans that said they are staying away until RD sells ? Winning a war is all about choosing your battles. Staying away only hurts RD if Charlton languish in the first division or get relegated again but all that will do is mean he has to move to plan B, whatever that may be. As things stand, Russell Slade may well turn out to be an inspired appointment.
My bottom line.
F*** the football, I am not giving money to people who are destroying this club.
See you at Bury.
Fair enough. I'm not on a mission to convince you or others of a likemind. I'm just sharing my thoughts on the matter. Yours may well be the best way forward, I'm just not convinced it is and feel that there's a big chance it's likely to self-defeating. Only time will tell and in the meantime I'm going to continue what I've always done in times of Charlton's adversity, and that's turn up.
If I had to make a list of the times of despair etc in my years of supporting Charlton, RD's ownership wouldn't be top, the near bankruptcy and moving to Sellout are followed by that first relegaton to the old 3rd division and only 3,000 turning up for the first home game against Shrewsbury (which we lost) so we probably see things from a different perspective.
It's about sending a message. Not buying a season ticket sends them a message.
Unfortunately, the message that will be received by RD, KM and everybody else that you are trying to send a message to including any potential new buyers is that Charlton was relegated last season and fans drifted away. I doubt the loss of income will really hurt RD so the only people that will lose out is the team, your fellow fans and YOU.
Some people think that there is a principle involved with the non-attending.
I agree, there is a principle with not attending but if the team does well then who is going to be hurt more by that principle, RD or the fans that said they are staying away until RD sells ? Winning a war is all about choosing your battles. Staying away only hurts RD if Charlton languish in the first division or get relegated again but all that will do is mean he has to move to plan B, whatever that may be. As things stand, Russell Slade may well turn out to be an inspired appointment.
My bottom line.
F*** the football, I am not giving money to people who are destroying this club.
See you at Bury.
Fair enough. I'm not on a mission to convince you or others of a likemind. I'm just sharing my thoughts on the matter. Yours may well be the best way forward, I'm just not convinced it is and feel that there's a big chance it's likely to self-defeating. Only time will tell and in the meantime I'm going to continue what I've always done in times of Charlton's adversity, and that's turn up.
If I had to make a list of the times of despair etc in my years of supporting Charlton, RD's ownership wouldn't be top, the near bankruptcy and moving to Sellout are followed by that first relegaton to the old 3rd division and only 3,000 turning up for the first home game against Shrewsbury (which we lost) so we probably see things from a different perspective.
That's all fine but you started out by claiming that those not renewing "didn't care" and were just "walking away"
No one is saying you can't carrying on turning up but please respect and try and understand why people are boycotting.
It's about sending a message. Not buying a season ticket sends them a message.
Unfortunately, the message that will be received by RD, KM and everybody else that you are trying to send a message to including any potential new buyers is that Charlton was relegated last season and fans drifted away. I doubt the loss of income will really hurt RD so the only people that will lose out is the team, your fellow fans and YOU.
Some people think that there is a principle involved with the non-attending.
I agree, there is a principle with not attending but if the team does well then who is going to be hurt more by that principle, RD or the fans that said they are staying away until RD sells ? Winning a war is all about choosing your battles. Staying away only hurts RD if Charlton languish in the first division or get relegated again but all that will do is mean he has to move to plan B, whatever that may be. As things stand, Russell Slade may well turn out to be an inspired appointment.
My bottom line.
F*** the football, I am not giving money to people who are destroying this club.
See you at Bury.
Fair enough. I'm not on a mission to convince you or others of a likemind. I'm just sharing my thoughts on the matter. Yours may well be the best way forward, I'm just not convinced it is and feel that there's a big chance it's likely to self-defeating. Only time will tell and in the meantime I'm going to continue what I've always done in times of Charlton's adversity, and that's turn up.
If I had to make a list of the times of despair etc in my years of supporting Charlton, RD's ownership wouldn't be top, the near bankruptcy and moving to Sellout are followed by that first relegaton to the old 3rd division and only 3,000 turning up for the first home game against Shrewsbury (which we lost) so we probably see things from a different perspective.
Neither of us are right or wrong.
It can be argued I am "cutting my nose to spite my face", but I am falling on my principles(ouch) here.
It's about sending a message. Not buying a season ticket sends them a message.
Unfortunately, the message that will be received by RD, KM and everybody else that you are trying to send a message to including any potential new buyers is that Charlton was relegated last season and fans drifted away. I doubt the loss of income will really hurt RD so the only people that will lose out is the team, your fellow fans and YOU.
Some people think that there is a principle involved with the non-attending.
I agree, there is a principle with not attending but if the team does well then who is going to be hurt more by that principle, RD or the fans that said they are staying away until RD sells ? Winning a war is all about choosing your battles. Staying away only hurts RD if Charlton languish in the first division or get relegated again but all that will do is mean he has to move to plan B, whatever that may be. As things stand, Russell Slade may well turn out to be an inspired appointment.
My bottom line.
F*** the football, I am not giving money to people who are destroying this club.
See you at Bury.
Fair enough. I'm not on a mission to convince you or others of a likemind. I'm just sharing my thoughts on the matter. Yours may well be the best way forward, I'm just not convinced it is and feel that there's a big chance it's likely to self-defeating. Only time will tell and in the meantime I'm going to continue what I've always done in times of Charlton's adversity, and that's turn up.
If I had to make a list of the times of despair etc in my years of supporting Charlton, RD's ownership wouldn't be top, the near bankruptcy and moving to Sellout are followed by that first relegaton to the old 3rd division and only 3,000 turning up for the first home game against Shrewsbury (which we lost) so we probably see things from a different perspective.
That's all fine but you started out by claiming that those not renewing "didn't care" and were just "walking away"
No one is saying you can't carrying on turning up but please respect and try and understand why people are boycotting.
I didn't say they were (or didn't intend for it to read that way if I did) I said that's how it will look. How will anybody be able to tell which seat hasnt been filled by a boycotter and which seat hasn't been filled by somebody that's no longer going because we've been relegated ?
It's about sending a message. Not buying a season ticket sends them a message.
Unfortunately, the message that will be received by RD, KM and everybody else that you are trying to send a message to including any potential new buyers is that Charlton was relegated last season and fans drifted away. I doubt the loss of income will really hurt RD so the only people that will lose out is the team, your fellow fans and YOU.
Some people think that there is a principle involved with the non-attending.
I agree, there is a principle with not attending but if the team does well then who is going to be hurt more by that principle, RD or the fans that said they are staying away until RD sells ? Winning a war is all about choosing your battles. Staying away only hurts RD if Charlton languish in the first division or get relegated again but all that will do is mean he has to move to plan B, whatever that may be. As things stand, Russell Slade may well turn out to be an inspired appointment.
My bottom line.
F*** the football, I am not giving money to people who are destroying this club.
See you at Bury.
Fair enough. I'm not on a mission to convince you or others of a likemind. I'm just sharing my thoughts on the matter. Yours may well be the best way forward, I'm just not convinced it is and feel that there's a big chance it's likely to self-defeating. Only time will tell and in the meantime I'm going to continue what I've always done in times of Charlton's adversity, and that's turn up.
If I had to make a list of the times of despair etc in my years of supporting Charlton, RD's ownership wouldn't be top, the near bankruptcy and moving to Sellout are followed by that first relegaton to the old 3rd division and only 3,000 turning up for the first home game against Shrewsbury (which we lost) so we probably see things from a different perspective.
That's all fine but you started out by claiming that those not renewing "didn't care" and were just "walking away"
No one is saying you can't carrying on turning up but please respect and try and understand why people are boycotting.
I didn't say they were (or didn't intend for it to read that way if I did) I said that's how it will look. How will anybody be able to tell which seat hasnt been filled by a boycotter and which seat hasn't been filled by somebody that's no longer going because we've been relegated ?
Afraid you did
"Henry Irving said:
They aren't "walking away". People are boycotting because they care, don't you get that?
Let the good times roll said
"If I'm honest, no I don't get it. What's the difference between not being there because you are boycotting the ownership and not being there because we were relegated which is the usual reason clubs match day gates go down ?"
It's about sending a message. Not buying a season ticket sends them a message.
Unfortunately, the message that will be received by RD, KM and everybody else that you are trying to send a message to including any potential new buyers is that Charlton was relegated last season and fans drifted away. I doubt the loss of income will really hurt RD so the only people that will lose out is the team, your fellow fans and YOU.
Some people think that there is a principle involved with the non-attending.
I agree, there is a principle with not attending but if the team does well then who is going to be hurt more by that principle, RD or the fans that said they are staying away until RD sells ? Winning a war is all about choosing your battles. Staying away only hurts RD if Charlton languish in the first division or get relegated again but all that will do is mean he has to move to plan B, whatever that may be. As things stand, Russell Slade may well turn out to be an inspired appointment.
My bottom line.
F*** the football, I am not giving money to people who are destroying this club.
See you at Bury.
Fair enough. I'm not on a mission to convince you or others of a likemind. I'm just sharing my thoughts on the matter. Yours may well be the best way forward, I'm just not convinced it is and feel that there's a big chance it's likely to self-defeating. Only time will tell and in the meantime I'm going to continue what I've always done in times of Charlton's adversity, and that's turn up.
If I had to make a list of the times of despair etc in my years of supporting Charlton, RD's ownership wouldn't be top, the near bankruptcy and moving to Sellout are followed by that first relegaton to the old 3rd division and only 3,000 turning up for the first home game against Shrewsbury (which we lost) so we probably see things from a different perspective.
That's all fine but you started out by claiming that those not renewing "didn't care" and were just "walking away"
No one is saying you can't carrying on turning up but please respect and try and understand why people are boycotting.
I didn't say they were (or didn't intend for it to read that way if I did) I said that's how it will look. How will anybody be able to tell which seat hasnt been filled by a boycotter and which seat hasn't been filled by somebody that's no longer going because we've been relegated ?
Afraid you did
"Henry Irving said:
They aren't "walking away". People are boycotting because they care, don't you get that?
Let the good times roll said
"If I'm honest, no I don't get it. What's the difference between not being there because you are boycotting the ownership and not being there because we were relegated which is the usual reason clubs match day gates go down ?"
OK, fair enough, I can see how that can be read differently to the point i was trying to make.
Earlier in this thread Curbishley and Powell were mentioned. Towards the end of the periods in charge not enough games were being won.
When RD took over we were headed for relegation. The change in manager and the new players kept us up.
There was heavy investment in the club and the new pitch is a credit to the club.
The CEO travelled to and from away games by train with the fans and heard their views first hand. Great until she was abused. Nobody can be justified in doing this.
Demonstrations could be justified when injuries and other events last season caused relegation.
However trying to increase RD's losses doesn't really work. They can be written off against profits elsewhere in his empire.
Throwing things on the pitch, particularly flares, could earn the club a fine which can again be written off.
Alternatively there could be a points deduction or a ground closure.
This is not going to help the new manager or the team.
Give him a chance and a buyer may be interested in a successful team.
Earlier in this thread Curbishley and Powell were mentioned. Towards the end of the periods in charge not enough games were being won.
When RD took over we were headed for relegation. The change in manager and the new players kept us up.
There was heavy investment in the club and the new pitch is a credit to the club.
The CEO travelled to and from away games by train with the fans and heard their views first hand. Great until she was abused. Nobody can be justified in doing this.
Demonstrations could be justified when injuries and other events last season caused relegation.
However trying to increase RD's losses doesn't really work. They can be written off against profits elsewhere in his empire.
Throwing things on the pitch, particularly flares, could earn the club a fine which can again be written off.
Alternatively there could be a points deduction or a ground closure.
This is not going to help the new manager or the team.
Give him a chance and a buyer may be interested in a successful team.
Otherwise keep buying Euromillions tickets.
I take it you are a fan of the Belgians.
My memory is good enough to remember the devastation caused by the Belgians over the past 30 months.
Earlier in this thread Curbishley and Powell were mentioned. Towards the end of the periods in charge not enough games were being won.
When RD took over we were headed for relegation. The change in manager and the new players kept us up.
There was heavy investment in the club and the new pitch is a credit to the club.
The CEO travelled to and from away games by train with the fans and heard their views first hand. Great until she was abused. Nobody can be justified in doing this.
Demonstrations could be justified when injuries and other events last season caused relegation.
However trying to increase RD's losses doesn't really work. They can be written off against profits elsewhere in his empire.
Throwing things on the pitch, particularly flares, could earn the club a fine which can again be written off.
Alternatively there could be a points deduction or a ground closure.
This is not going to help the new manager or the team.
Give him a chance and a buyer may be interested in a successful team.
Otherwise keep buying Euromillions tickets.
So after everything that has happened do we really still have people who want to " give him a chance"? Clearly we do. Astounding.
Just how many chances do some people think they need to give?
Earlier in this thread Curbishley and Powell were mentioned. Towards the end of the periods in charge not enough games were being won.
When RD took over we were headed for relegation. The change in manager and the new players kept us up.
There was heavy investment in the club and the new pitch is a credit to the club.
The CEO travelled to and from away games by train with the fans and heard their views first hand. Great until she was abused. Nobody can be justified in doing this.
Demonstrations could be justified when injuries and other events last season caused relegation.
However trying to increase RD's losses doesn't really work. They can be written off against profits elsewhere in his empire.
Throwing things on the pitch, particularly flares, could earn the club a fine which can again be written off.
Alternatively there could be a points deduction or a ground closure.
This is not going to help the new manager or the team.
Give him a chance and a buyer may be interested in a successful team.
Otherwise keep buying Euromillions tickets.
Name me 1 new player that played a significant part in keeping us up in the owners first season?
Earlier in this thread Curbishley and Powell were mentioned. Towards the end of the periods in charge not enough games were being won.
When RD took over we were headed for relegation. The change in manager and the new players kept us up.
There was heavy investment in the club and the new pitch is a credit to the club.
The CEO travelled to and from away games by train with the fans and heard their views first hand. Great until she was abused. Nobody can be justified in doing this.
Demonstrations could be justified when injuries and other events last season caused relegation.
However trying to increase RD's losses doesn't really work. They can be written off against profits elsewhere in his empire.
Throwing things on the pitch, particularly flares, could earn the club a fine which can again be written off.
Alternatively there could be a points deduction or a ground closure.
This is not going to help the new manager or the team.
Give him a chance and a buyer may be interested in a successful team.
Otherwise keep buying Euromillions tickets.
I take it you are a fan of the Belgians.
My memory is good enough to remember the devastation caused by the Belgians over the past 30 months.
Earlier in this thread Curbishley and Powell were mentioned. Towards the end of the periods in charge not enough games were being won.
When RD took over we were headed for relegation. The change in manager and the new players kept us up.
There was heavy investment in the club and the new pitch is a credit to the club.
The CEO travelled to and from away games by train with the fans and heard their views first hand. Great until she was abused. Nobody can be justified in doing this.
Demonstrations could be justified when injuries and other events last season caused relegation.
However trying to increase RD's losses doesn't really work. They can be written off against profits elsewhere in his empire.
Throwing things on the pitch, particularly flares, could earn the club a fine which can again be written off.
Alternatively there could be a points deduction or a ground closure.
This is not going to help the new manager or the team.
Give him a chance and a buyer may be interested in a successful team.
Otherwise keep buying Euromillions tickets.
I take it you are a fan of the Belgians.
My memory is good enough to remember the devastation caused by the Belgians over the past 30 months.
Have to agree with much of what crusty54 says.I don't like the belgiums anymore than anyone else.But as quoted before we have been through worse.On the brink and nearly losing the club forever in 84 and then the move to sellout!Fair play to what CARD have done but I have renewed my ST and I will be at Bury for the first game.Sometimes a line has to be drawn in the sand and for me that time is now.Charlton is in my blood and will take a lot worse for me to stop going.Airman are you renewing??Charlton till I die
Have to agree with much of what crusty54 says.I don't like the belgiums anymore than anyone else.But as quoted before we have been through worse.On the brink and nearly losing the club forever in 84 and then the move to sellout!Fair play to what CARD have done but I have renewed my ST and I will be at Bury for the first game.Sometimes a line has to be drawn in the sand and for me that time is now.Charlton is in my blood and will take a lot worse for me to stop going.Airman are you renewing??Charlton till I die
Nearly every bleeding thread becomes a season ticket slag off.....
I enjoyed that article. A fine system in football is great for moral. My 5 a side team run one, the fines are ridiculous and many.... Farting costs you a fiver.... We've called that carbon tax. It's 50 notes if someone brings a woman down to the game and or the pub after, score a hatrick in a game and it's a fine!! Between 8 of us we raise around 18 to 20 thousand dollars a year, ( we all get fined a lot!) and with that dosh we have a lads end of season trip to Thailand or Bali. We love it!
Nearly every bleeding thread becomes a season ticket slag off.....
I enjoyed that article. A fine system in football is great for moral. My 5 a side team run one, the fines are ridiculous and many.... Farting costs you a fiver.... We've called that carbon tax. It's 50 notes if someone brings a woman down to the game and or the pub after, score a hatrick in a game and it's a fine!! Between 8 of us we raise around 18 to 20 thousand dollars a year, ( we all get fined a lot!) and with that dosh we have a lads end of season trip to Thailand or Bali. We love it!
Earlier in this thread Curbishley and Powell were mentioned. Towards the end of the periods in charge not enough games were being won.
When RD took over we were headed for relegation. The change in manager and the new players kept us up.
There was heavy investment in the club and the new pitch is a credit to the club.
The CEO travelled to and from away games by train with the fans and heard their views first hand. Great until she was abused. Nobody can be justified in doing this.
Demonstrations could be justified when injuries and other events last season caused relegation.
However trying to increase RD's losses doesn't really work. They can be written off against profits elsewhere in his empire.
Throwing things on the pitch, particularly flares, could earn the club a fine which can again be written off.
Alternatively there could be a points deduction or a ground closure.
This is not going to help the new manager or the team.
Give him a chance and a buyer may be interested in a successful team.
Otherwise keep buying Euromillions tickets.
Name me 1 new player that played a significant part in keeping us up in the owners first season?
Earlier in this thread Curbishley and Powell were mentioned. Towards the end of the periods in charge not enough games were being won.
When RD took over we were headed for relegation. The change in manager and the new players kept us up.
There was heavy investment in the club and the new pitch is a credit to the club.
The CEO travelled to and from away games by train with the fans and heard their views first hand. Great until she was abused. Nobody can be justified in doing this.
Demonstrations could be justified when injuries and other events last season caused relegation.
However trying to increase RD's losses doesn't really work. They can be written off against profits elsewhere in his empire.
Throwing things on the pitch, particularly flares, could earn the club a fine which can again be written off.
Alternatively there could be a points deduction or a ground closure.
This is not going to help the new manager or the team.
Give him a chance and a buyer may be interested in a successful team.
Otherwise keep buying Euromillions tickets.
So after everything that has happened do we really still have people who want to " give him a chance"? Clearly we do. Astounding.
Just how many chances do some people think they need to give?
I assumed that by 'give him a chance' he meant Slade, not RD.
Because why the fuck would anyone want to give that clueless Belgian prick a chance?
Earlier in this thread Curbishley and Powell were mentioned. Towards the end of the periods in charge not enough games were being won.
When RD took over we were headed for relegation. The change in manager and the new players kept us up.
There was heavy investment in the club and the new pitch is a credit to the club.
The CEO travelled to and from away games by train with the fans and heard their views first hand. Great until she was abused. Nobody can be justified in doing this.
Demonstrations could be justified when injuries and other events last season caused relegation.
However trying to increase RD's losses doesn't really work. They can be written off against profits elsewhere in his empire.
Throwing things on the pitch, particularly flares, could earn the club a fine which can again be written off.
Alternatively there could be a points deduction or a ground closure.
This is not going to help the new manager or the team.
Give him a chance and a buyer may be interested in a successful team.
Otherwise keep buying Euromillions tickets.
Name me 1 new player that played a significant part in keeping us up in the owners first season?
Astrid
Good player but very low match fitness so I don't think he played a significant part
Earlier in this thread Curbishley and Powell were mentioned. Towards the end of the periods in charge not enough games were being won.
When RD took over we were headed for relegation. The change in manager and the new players kept us up.
There was heavy investment in the club and the new pitch is a credit to the club.
The CEO travelled to and from away games by train with the fans and heard their views first hand. Great until she was abused. Nobody can be justified in doing this.
Demonstrations could be justified when injuries and other events last season caused relegation.
However trying to increase RD's losses doesn't really work. They can be written off against profits elsewhere in his empire.
Throwing things on the pitch, particularly flares, could earn the club a fine which can again be written off.
Alternatively there could be a points deduction or a ground closure.
This is not going to help the new manager or the team.
Give him a chance and a buyer may be interested in a successful team.
Otherwise keep buying Euromillions tickets.
Name me 1 new player that played a significant part in keeping us up in the owners first season?
Astrid
Good player but very low match fitness so I don't think he played a significant part
I'd disagree with that, played most games and gave us a bit of flair which we lacked massively. Also assisted the winner against QPR which really helped us believe and scored in the massive 6 pointer against Yeovil.
Crusty54 your comment about people's memories is interesting. My memory goes back to this time last year when we were invited to buy season tickets withe the slogan 'building a better tomorrow together'. What exactly is better? Or more to the point what was better come the end of last season?
I think we've all been put in an incredibly tough position. None of us asked for this. And we shouldn't be too hard on each other for our approaches (*except for those in total denial!).
And the fact that over the last month they seem to have begun to get it right only serves to add to the confusion.
We mostly all want RD to sell to an owner who invests in quality and makes us competitive. For a while that seemed possible, mainly thanks to Peter Varney, but the more time passes, the more unlikely it becomes.
So I'm guessing the next best thing would be for RD to get it right. If he does, what do we do? Continue disrupting games that we are winning? That won't garner much sympathy from outside, or in.
Of course, we all have a different idea of a moment when we could accept that he's got it right (for most I would imagine it would be the day we finish in the top 10 of the Championship, but even then we'd fear he'd fuck it up straight after).
Does that mean I shouldn't go to The Valley until then?That could be two/ three years away. If the current trend of sensibleness continues throughout the season, it would feel like a betrayal of our own values to go back (just because we're winning).
Of course, it wouldn't be about supporting a winning team. It would be about supporting a well-run team that isn't about to face extinction through bad management. We're staying away because of that, not necessarily results in of themselves.
I will always distrust the the man, but if he were to finally jettison Meire, and continue to get the transfer policy right, and Slade is allowed the autonomy he needs, then I would accept that. I would go back, and I would keep a beach ball in my pocket, ready to blow it up the moment he steps out of line. I truly think that's the best we can hope for right now.
I await CARD's instructions, but I don't begrudge anyone who chooses to attend games.
Crusty54 your comment about people's memories is interesting. My memory goes back to this time last year when we were invited to buy season tickets withe the slogan 'building a better tomorrow together'. What exactly is better? Or more to the point what was better come the end of last season?
'Better' is the person who places a wager on an undetermined outcome, so in your example for last year you effectively would have bought a ticket and lost.
A few have alluded to it, but if we do not buy a season ticket but buy individual tickets for each game instead, then RD will gain more money over the course of the season not less ...albeit not up-front.
The only way to make this work is to boycott totally but then we have no opportunity to make our protests known during the games.
The first two months of the season are going to prove very testing for our protests if the team prove to be successful. Like it or not, that is definitely going to dilute our protest support.
Not an easy game to play at the moment so I look forward to feedback from CARD as we draw nearer to the start of the season.
I don't think this is likely to be true - and if it was it would mean the team was doing well enough over the whole season to justify it.
Firstly, the fixture list is deeply unattractive - a lot of people will swerve Oldham on a cold Tuesday night, as many would if they had a season ticket. But it is more likely if you have to pay.
Secondly, the club's ticketing structure is bonkers and wide open to abuse, which means you don't have to pay the going rate for a seat in the east or west stands.
Thirdly, the idea of going to every game will for many presuppose now, based on what has happened to date, that we are going to have a successful season and the optimism will be maintained throughout the season.
It is way too early to make any such assumption and would disregard the obvious lessons of recent history.
Fourthly, people's circumstances change and other commitments arise.
For these reasons, overall, the club will not benefit financially if people move from being season ticket holders to match by match purchase.
Even if that wasn't true, the regime will see a season ticket purchase as a vote of confidence and a renewal of trust in them, which they do not deserve.
We were not relegated because of injuries and bad luck, but because of systematic incompetence and pigheadedness over two and a half years. Our chief executive is laughed at by her peers in League One, never mind the Championship.
The view that this problem is no longer an issue or a handicap going forward, whatever Slade's merits, must surely be wishful thinking.
A few have alluded to it, but if we do not buy a season ticket but buy individual tickets for each game instead, then RD will gain more money over the course of the season not less ...albeit not up-front.
The only way to make this work is to boycott totally but then we have no opportunity to make our protests known during the games.
The first two months of the season are going to prove very testing for our protests if the team prove to be successful. Like it or not, that is definitely going to dilute our protest support.
Not an easy game to play at the moment so I look forward to feedback from CARD as we draw nearer to the start of the season.
I don't think this is likely to be true - and if it was it would mean the team was doing well enough over the whole season to justify it.
Firstly, the fixture list is deeply unattractive - a lot of people will swerve Oldham on a cold Tuesday night, as many would if they had a season ticket. But it is more likely if you have to pay.
Secondly, the club's ticketing structure is bonkers and wide open to abuse, which means you don't have to pay the going rate for a seat in the east or west stands.
Thirdly, the idea of going to every game will for many presuppose now, based on what has happened to date, that we are going to have a successful season and the optimism will be maintained throughout the season.
It is way too early to make any such assumption and would disregard the obvious lessons of recent history.
Fourthly, people's circumstances change and other commitments arise.
For these reasons, overall, the club will not benefit financially if people move from being season ticket holders to match by match purchase.
Even if that wasn't true, the regime will see a season ticket purchase as a vote of confidence and a renewal of trust in them, which they do not deserve.
We were not relegated because of injuries and bad luck, but because of systematic incompetence and pigheadedness over two and a half years. Our chief executive is laughed at by her peers in League One, never mind the Championship.
The view that this problem is no longer an issue or a handicap going forward, whatever Slade's merits, must surely be wishful thinking.
All valid points.
Incidentally, there is one set of supporters who have not found it so easy to join the season ticket boycott.
For most, it is a matter of renewing as and when they want. For disabled supporters who use the East Stand disabled parking, it is not so straightforward.
Non-renewal of season ticket means non-renewal of parking space, which may not be made available again whenever a season ticket is renewed. Therefore, in order to safeguard their parking place, without which they can not attend a match, some have had no choice but to renew.
A few have alluded to it, but if we do not buy a season ticket but buy individual tickets for each game instead, then RD will gain more money over the course of the season not less ...albeit not up-front.
The only way to make this work is to boycott totally but then we have no opportunity to make our protests known during the games.
The first two months of the season are going to prove very testing for our protests if the team prove to be successful. Like it or not, that is definitely going to dilute our protest support.
Not an easy game to play at the moment so I look forward to feedback from CARD as we draw nearer to the start of the season.
I don't think this is likely to be true - and if it was it would mean the team was doing well enough over the whole season to justify it.
Firstly, the fixture list is deeply unattractive - a lot of people will swerve Oldham on a cold Tuesday night, as many would if they had a season ticket. But it is more likely if you have to pay.
Secondly, the club's ticketing structure is bonkers and wide open to abuse, which means you don't have to pay the going rate for a seat in the east or west stands.
Thirdly, the idea of going to every game will for many presuppose now, based on what has happened to date, that we are going to have a successful season and the optimism will be maintained throughout the season.
It is way too early to make any such assumption and would disregard the obvious lessons of recent history.
Fourthly, people's circumstances change and other commitments arise.
For these reasons, overall, the club will not benefit financially if people move from being season ticket holders to match by match purchase.
Even if that wasn't true, the regime will see a season ticket purchase as a vote of confidence and a renewal of trust in them, which they do not deserve.
We were not relegated because of injuries and bad luck, but because of systematic incompetence and pigheadedness over two and a half years. Our chief executive is laughed at by her peers in League One, never mind the Championship.
The view that this problem is no longer an issue or a handicap going forward, whatever Slade's merits, must surely be wishful thinking.
All valid points.
Incidentally, there is one set of supporters who have not found it so easy to join the season ticket boycott.
For most, it is a matter of renewing as and when they want. For disabled supporters who use the East Stand disabled parking, it is not so straightforward.
Non-renewal of season ticket means non-renewal of parking space, which may not be made available again whenever a season ticket is renewed. Therefore, in order to safeguard their parking place, without which they can not attend a match, some have had no choice but to renew.
Fair point. In any case, I'm not going to be critical of what individuals do. I am just advocating the position I hold myself.
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If I had to make a list of the times of despair etc in my years of supporting Charlton, RD's ownership wouldn't be top, the near bankruptcy and moving to Sellout are followed by that first relegaton to the old 3rd division and only 3,000 turning up for the first home game against Shrewsbury (which we lost) so we probably see things from a different perspective.
No one is saying you can't carrying on turning up but please respect and try and understand why people are boycotting.
It can be argued I am "cutting my nose to spite my face", but I am falling on my principles(ouch) here.
"Henry Irving said:
They aren't "walking away". People are boycotting because they care, don't you get that?
Let the good times roll said
"If I'm honest, no I don't get it. What's the difference between not being there because you are boycotting the ownership and not being there because we were relegated which is the usual reason clubs match day gates go down ?"
Earlier in this thread Curbishley and Powell were mentioned. Towards the end of the periods in charge not enough games were being won.
When RD took over we were headed for relegation. The change in manager and the new players kept us up.
There was heavy investment in the club and the new pitch is a credit to the club.
The CEO travelled to and from away games by train with the fans and heard their views first hand. Great until she was abused. Nobody can be justified in doing this.
Demonstrations could be justified when injuries and other events last season caused relegation.
However trying to increase RD's losses doesn't really work. They can be written off against profits elsewhere in his empire.
Throwing things on the pitch, particularly flares, could earn the club a fine which can again be written off.
Alternatively there could be a points deduction or a ground closure.
This is not going to help the new manager or the team.
Give him a chance and a buyer may be interested in a successful team.
Otherwise keep buying Euromillions tickets.
My memory is good enough to remember the devastation caused by the Belgians over the past 30 months.
Just how many chances do some people think they need to give?
I enjoyed that article. A fine system in football is great for moral. My 5 a side team run one, the fines are ridiculous and many.... Farting costs you a fiver.... We've called that carbon tax. It's 50 notes if someone brings a woman down to the game and or the pub after, score a hatrick in a game and it's a fine!! Between 8 of us we raise around 18 to 20 thousand dollars a year, ( we all get fined a lot!) and with that dosh we have a lads end of season trip to Thailand or Bali. We love it!
I assumed that by 'give him a chance' he meant Slade, not RD.
Because why the fuck would anyone want to give that clueless Belgian prick a chance?
My memory goes back to this time last year when we were invited to buy season tickets withe the slogan 'building a better tomorrow together'.
What exactly is better?
Or more to the point what was better come the end of last season?
And the fact that over the last month they seem to have begun to get it right only serves to add to the confusion.
We mostly all want RD to sell to an owner who invests in quality and makes us competitive. For a while that seemed possible, mainly thanks to Peter Varney, but the more time passes, the more unlikely it becomes.
So I'm guessing the next best thing would be for RD to get it right. If he does, what do we do? Continue disrupting games that we are winning? That won't garner much sympathy from outside, or in.
Of course, we all have a different idea of a moment when we could accept that he's got it right (for most I would imagine it would be the day we finish in the top 10 of the Championship, but even then we'd fear he'd fuck it up straight after).
Does that mean I shouldn't go to The Valley until then?That could be two/ three years away. If the current trend of sensibleness continues throughout the season, it would feel like a betrayal of our own values to go back (just because we're winning).
Of course, it wouldn't be about supporting a winning team. It would be about supporting a well-run team that isn't about to face extinction through bad management. We're staying away because of that, not necessarily results in of themselves.
I will always distrust the the man, but if he were to finally jettison Meire, and continue to get the transfer policy right, and Slade is allowed the autonomy he needs, then I would accept that. I would go back, and I would keep a beach ball in my pocket, ready to blow it up the moment he steps out of line. I truly think that's the best we can hope for right now.
I await CARD's instructions, but I don't begrudge anyone who chooses to attend games.
Firstly, the fixture list is deeply unattractive - a lot of people will swerve Oldham on a cold Tuesday night, as many would if they had a season ticket. But it is more likely if you have to pay.
Secondly, the club's ticketing structure is bonkers and wide open to abuse, which means you don't have to pay the going rate for a seat in the east or west stands.
Thirdly, the idea of going to every game will for many presuppose now, based on what has happened to date, that we are going to have a successful season and the optimism will be maintained throughout the season.
It is way too early to make any such assumption and would disregard the obvious lessons of recent history.
Fourthly, people's circumstances change and other commitments arise.
For these reasons, overall, the club will not benefit financially if people move from being season ticket holders to match by match purchase.
Even if that wasn't true, the regime will see a season ticket purchase as a vote of confidence and a renewal of trust in them, which they do not deserve.
We were not relegated because of injuries and bad luck, but because of systematic incompetence and pigheadedness over two and a half years. Our chief executive is laughed at by her peers in League One, never mind the Championship.
The view that this problem is no longer an issue or a handicap going forward, whatever Slade's merits, must surely be wishful thinking.
Incidentally, there is one set of supporters who have not found it so easy to join the season ticket boycott.
For most, it is a matter of renewing as and when they want. For disabled supporters who use the East Stand disabled parking, it is not so straightforward.
Non-renewal of season ticket means non-renewal of parking space, which may not be made available again whenever a season ticket is renewed. Therefore, in order to safeguard their parking place, without which they can not attend a match, some have had no choice but to renew.