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I was pleased he was going for a British manager, but my emotions have U-turned again. If Wilder couldn't get control assurances on paper, then that is a blodoy disgrace on Roland's part.Mametz said:The frightening, and I mean really frightening, thing about this is there will still be supporters, sorry customers, who will say he really has changed and did go after a British manager.
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none of us were involved in the negotiations, who knows why it didn't go through, people on here automatically blame KM & RD, how do we know that MW or even AK weren't making outrageous requests knowing they would be rejected, so he could strengthen his position at the cobblers.
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Wilder was in Belgium last week talking to our owner, before CAFC and NTFC announced any approach, so I'm not sure how much weight that carries TBF.shoearmy said:Our chairman has said there is other interest in CW and AK but no official approach.
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Really? Even if he'd been appointed, I don't think a manager who'd just won League Two and never coached above that level would have impressed that many.Mametz said:The frightening, and I mean really frightening, thing about this is there will still be supporters, sorry customers, who will say he really has changed and did go after a British manager.
Given what Rich Cawley and Large have said, I think it's clear they genuinely wanted CW. I'm genuinely curious to know how many not on here or on Twitter had even heard of him. If you were going for a publicity stunt, why go with Chris Wilder?1 -
His position was as strong as it gets there. The owner had already stated that they had offered him a pay rise, it met the demands of Wilder himself, and it was as much as they could afford to pay. This wasn't about Wilder holding NTFC to ransom.DA9 said:none of us were involved in the negotiations, who knows why it didn't go through, people on here automatically blame KM & RD, how do we know that MW or even AK weren't making outrageous requests knowing they would be rejected, so he could strengthen his position at the cobblers.
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No shadow of a doubt they wanted him and thought they had got him. I also think Wilder was very keen to come. Then he met Katrien. What could go wrong?SDAddick said:
Really? Even if he'd been appointed, I don't think a manager who'd just won League Two and never coached above that level would have impressed that many.Mametz said:The frightening, and I mean really frightening, thing about this is there will still be supporters, sorry customers, who will say he really has changed and did go after a British manager.
Given what Rich Cawley and Large have said, I think it's clear they genuinely wanted CW. I'm genuinely curious to know how many not on here or on Twitter had even heard of him. If you were going for a publicity stunt, why go with Chris Wilder?61 -
you on a wind up?DA9 said:none of us were involved in the negotiations, who knows why it didn't go through, people on here automatically blame KM & RD, how do we know that MW or even AK weren't making outrageous requests knowing they would be rejected, so he could strengthen his position at the cobblers.
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Not a particularly massive betting man myself but for those of you interested, I requested odds on Simon Clark and Chris O'Loughlin.
They've gone in at 8/1 and 16/1 respectively.
Edit: that's on the SkyBet market https://www.skybet.com/football/specials/manager-specials3 -
Wilder said:
" I don't regard a 3 -way conference call with an owner in a Belgian wine cellar and a CEO in her Dubai hotel's spa while I'm sat in the valley Caff as serious grounds for negotiation"14 - Sponsored links:
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Where was this said? Given they had permission to talk to him from Northampton, which usually means there's a deal in place in principle, this would be the worst lie of all for me.shoearmy said:Our chairman has said there is other interest in CW and AK but no official approach.
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Somewhere in Budapest a man is packing his bags8
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To be fair you would have to be not well or desperate to work with these clowns at present. There was no way that they were going to let Wilder have full control of who he could bring in. 99% of us knew that was not going to happen.
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On SSN now.
I don't trust the OS.1 -
Nope, I want them gone as much as the next man, but the knee jerk reactions on here that it must be their fault, when nobody than those involved in the talks know the reasons.NomadicAddick said:
you on a wind up?DA9 said:none of us were involved in the negotiations, who knows why it didn't go through, people on here automatically blame KM & RD, how do we know that MW or even AK weren't making outrageous requests knowing they would be rejected, so he could strengthen his position at the cobblers.
Could be a multitude of reasons, and some could be down to CW's demands5 -
Sir, Lord Duchalet,
Top o' the morning to you Sir or as you say I think - Huh!.
My name is General Goodbody MacGoodFace and I hear that you are looking for a manager for your football club in that wonderful London home of our great Queen and the Harry brothers.
You are in luck Lord Duchalet!
My Great Aunt Betilda has just joined the Upstairs Singing Choir and she has left to me several millions of unused football managers which unfortunately are stuck here in Nigeria.
Please send to me Lord Duchalet your bank details so that you can share in my good fortune and I will in return send to your village in London many thousands of my managers who will embrace you and your kin and the one called Liar and they will make good soccer for you.
Your humble servant and great friend of fraternal football global
General Goodbody MacGoodface2 -
She couldn't even organise a death in a mortuary.1
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I'll start.DA9 said:
Nope, I want them gone as much as the next man, but the knee jerk reactions on here that it must be their fault, when nobody than those involved in the talks know the reasons.NomadicAddick said:
you on a wind up?DA9 said:none of us were involved in the negotiations, who knows why it didn't go through, people on here automatically blame KM & RD, how do we know that MW or even AK weren't making outrageous requests knowing they would be rejected, so he could strengthen his position at the cobblers.
Could be a multitude of reasons, and some could be down to CW's demands
1) I demand the owner attends one game a month
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Redmidland said:
from twitter
Chris Wilder will not be the new #cafc manager. Really wanted job but club refused to put the assurances over control, buying etc in writing
And that folks is why we'll never get anyone other than some useless foreign network no hoper as long as RD is in charge. Absolute shambles.
I hope CARD have more protests planned.11 - Sponsored links:
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It's true, it could be. But given recent history and everything that we have learned from former players, managers and other staff that have worked under this regime, it is relatively safe to assume that the problem is something to do with Roland refusing to give the manager control of his playing squad. We don't know for sure but it would be a big departure for Roland if this wasn't the case.DA9 said:
Nope, I want them gone as much as the next man, but the knee jerk reactions on here that it must be their fault, when nobody than those involved in the talks know the reasons.NomadicAddick said:
you on a wind up?DA9 said:none of us were involved in the negotiations, who knows why it didn't go through, people on here automatically blame KM & RD, how do we know that MW or even AK weren't making outrageous requests knowing they would be rejected, so he could strengthen his position at the cobblers.
Could be a multitude of reasons, and some could be down to CW's demands
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Surely your already dead before you get there though?grumpyaddick said:She couldn't even organise a death in a mortuary.
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Rule number one
Get it in writing.19 -
and is exactly as many of us expected ... he will never give a manager the control that is required ... and that's before you get to the problem that is KMPassItToLeaburn said:
It's true, it could be. But given recent history and everything that we have learned from former players, managers and other staff that have worked under this regime, it is relatively safe to assume that the problem is something to do with Roland refusing to give the manager control of his playing squad. We don't know for sure but it would be a big departure for Roland if this wasn't the case.DA9 said:
Nope, I want them gone as much as the next man, but the knee jerk reactions on here that it must be their fault, when nobody than those involved in the talks know the reasons.NomadicAddick said:
you on a wind up?DA9 said:none of us were involved in the negotiations, who knows why it didn't go through, people on here automatically blame KM & RD, how do we know that MW or even AK weren't making outrageous requests knowing they would be rejected, so he could strengthen his position at the cobblers.
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Meanwhile, a respected poster on 'into the valley' this morning:
He WILL be our next manager, 200%.31 -
And if that turns out to be the case then fair enoughPassItToLeaburn said:
It's true, it could be. But given recent history and everything that we have learned from former players, managers and other staff that have worked under this regime, it is relatively safe to assume that the problem is something to do with Roland refusing to give the manager control of his playing squad. We don't know for sure but it would be a big departure for Roland if this wasn't the case.DA9 said:
Nope, I want them gone as much as the next man, but the knee jerk reactions on here that it must be their fault, when nobody than those involved in the talks know the reasons.NomadicAddick said:
you on a wind up?DA9 said:none of us were involved in the negotiations, who knows why it didn't go through, people on here automatically blame KM & RD, how do we know that MW or even AK weren't making outrageous requests knowing they would be rejected, so he could strengthen his position at the cobblers.
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Like any manager Wilder would have been a punt but I'll admit it didn't fill me with excitement, I think the only reason some did feel that way was because it wasn't another from the network. We also don't know the actual reason it broke down so I will wait to see who actually is appointed before criticising.0
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So has Nicky Holmes signed yet ?6
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Thought I couldn't like this omnishambles of an ownership less. How wrong I was. As soon as it looks like they might be doing something vaguely sensible they feck it up AGAIN.
They don't do failure though, they are failure2 -
League 2 here we come.
I reckon this is Pinocchio getting her own back on all those nasty Charlton fans, she really is poison isn't she.1
