I have no ill feelings towards Riga - I wish him well. He was not a puppet and was let go in his first successful spell which should tell you what you need to know. He definitely put some of the things right that were wrong under Fraeye, but he made some errors too. I think he approached the home game against MK Dons incorrectly and that was the game in which I knew we were down!
Clearly the regime were not prepared to give him such control and KM is lying when she says that she has learned the lessons from why Charlton were relegated.
The immoral cowards have of course said nothing of substance whatsoever since yesterday's events.
I wish JR all the best in his next venture, it is not him that got us relegated it was the "wierd" meaning unique decision to appoint Fraeye. What makes all this worse, if it can be any worse, is absolute abject silence from the '3' amigos. I put on another thread how I used to support RM, now I lay the blame for this fully at his feet, he is complicit by his silence after the BS he fed us a few months ago. I wish the entire board would do the honorable thing like JR has done and resign, but these 3 people do not know what the word means!!
We played some neat football in the first half, but still shipped three at home. There is a frailty about Charlton that is just embarrassing at times. Players switch off and there is precious little spirit or determination. In all honesty I don’t know if some of them care enough.
I’d have thought defending from dead ball situations would rank as a matter of pride to defenders, but we have conceded in excess of 20 - one every other game - this aspect alone would encourage the opposition in their pre match training, especially knowing Charlton rarely come back.
I know yesterday wasn’t really about the match, but one thing hasn’t changed all season, teams can get about us, and as Curbishley said last night - ‘he’d love to bring a side to the Valley at the moment’. With the things going on and the toxic atmosphere it has made for one of the easier Championship awaydays.
We don't know what his contract terms were or what clauses there were.
Regardless he left with dignity and his head held high.
We can debate his virtues as a coach (over praised in first term, under appreciated in his second, undermined by RD and KM in both terms inho) but he comes over as a decent caring man who wanted Chalton to succeed.
If I ever see him in a bar I'd happily buy him a drink.
The last dozen games we have seen the best football from CAFC and easily good enough to stay in the Championship - in fact, SKY commented that CAFC would be in top half of table as such.
Mick McCarthy said he simply could not comprehend why CAFC were bottom 3 as we have some really good players.
The arrival of Teixeira and Fanni and the return to fitness of Diarra made the difference - who was behind bringing in Tex & Fanni?
Pride comes before a fall, Katrien & Roland - too late now, we've fallen.
Riga is a very good coach and I am regetting renewing at this moment.
In the first half we played top half football easily, and that 11 might even be chasing the playoffs were the likes of Igor and Kashi more fit and in form. We switched off three times at the back and conceded three goals.
Do we really need to have the season ticket renewal argument on every thread?
Agree. Played excellent football in the first half. Anyone who cannot see the vast difference in the way we are now playing, to how we were playing over Christmas, must be blind. I was unfortunate enough to witness some of those games culminating in the tripe delivered at Colchester where we played like a non league team. But with Riga now gone, I fear most of our decent players will now also move on, whereas Riga may have been able to persuade a few of them to stay.
Much better football, but still losing. He certainly has something about him that the other 3 didn't, but for me the jury is still out. Seems to be a thoroughly decent chap though and at least he cares. I wish him well. The worry is there is nobody better for us whilst this carnage continues.
We don't know what his contract terms were or what clauses there were.
Regardless he left with dignity and his head held high.
We can debate his virtues as a coach (over praised in first term, under appreciated in his second, undermined by RD and KM in both terms inho) but he comes over as a decent caring man who wanted Chalton to succeed.
If I ever see him in a bar I'd happily buy him a drink.
Agreed, looking at his body language at the Brighton game and how some players spoke to him during that match i'd be extremely surprised if he hadn't 'resigned' at that point. I don't actually buy the 'resigned' part.
The last dozen games we have seen the best football from CAFC and easily good enough to stay in the Championship - in fact, SKY commented that CAFC would be in top half of table as such.
Mick McCarthy said he simply could not comprehend why CAFC were bottom 3 as we have some really good players.
The arrival of Teixeira and Fanni and the return to fitness of Diarra made the difference - who was behind bringing in Tex & Fanni?
Pride comes before a fall, Katrien & Roland - too late now, we've fallen.
Riga is a very good coach and I am regetting renewing at this moment.
In the first half we played top half football easily, and that 11 might even be chasing the playoffs were the likes of Igor and Kashi more fit and in form. We switched off three times at the back and conceded three goals.
Do we really need to have the season ticket renewal argument on every thread?
Agree. Played excellent football in the first half. Anyone who cannot see the vast difference in the way we are now playing, to how we were playing over Christmas, must be blind. I was unfortunate enough to witness some of those games culminating in the tripe delivered at Colchester where we played like a non league team. But with Riga now gone, I fear most of our decent players will now also move on, whereas Riga may have been able to persuade a few of them to stay.
Much better football, but still losing. He certainly has something about him that the other 3 didn't, but for me the jury is still out. Seems to be a thoroughly decent chap though and at least he cares. I wish him well. The worry is there is nobody better for us whilst this carnage continues.
It's extremely frustrating that results haven't reflected performances under Riga, I agree. I've come to the conclusion that it's just one of those seasons when nothing seems to go our way at vital stages in games. No penalties all season, Lookman should have had one again yesterday. Harriot should have scored, their keeper had a blinder. In a good season, these things go your way, but when you've had the kind of season we've had, they don't. But had we started afresh next season with this same side, a pre season under their belt and bit more fitness, I think they would have been far too good for league one and would probably finish top half in the Championship.
We don't know what his contract terms were or what clauses there were.
Regardless he left with dignity and his head held high.
We can debate his virtues as a coach (over praised in first term, under appreciated in his second, undermined by RD and KM in both terms inho) but he comes over as a decent caring man who wanted Chalton to succeed.
If I ever see him in a bar I'd happily buy him a drink.
Likewise, if I ever see Riga in a bar, I'll happily let Henry Irving buy him a drink...
That's a very dignified exit from Riga. Nicely said. He is respectful, intelligent, and thoughtful: these are important qualities.
We have played far better under Riga: getting forward, having a go. You don't need me to remind you about the last days with Chris Powell, playing only one up front at home. All that dreary, defensive stuff, without a single shot on goal.
I have no interest in Peeters or Luzon. Sideways balls, crab-like, so dull as to make the planets weep.
The players themselves have failed: they are ultimately guilty. They themselves have relegated us. Jackson is quite right when he said after the Bolton game: "It's our fault - we haven't played well enough."
We played with verve and zip in the first half yesterday: quick, attacking moves. Accurate balls over the top to a willing runner. Why in heaven's name didn't we do this all season? Then - the shot is skied, shanked, muffed - or bottled.
Bradley Wright-Phillips was superb when we were last in the third division: ruthless. He used to swivel on the edge of box, and Bang! - hit low and fierce. And Yann Kermorgant leaping high and winning headers - and scoring directly from all the free-kicks that Gudmundsson can only hammer in to the wall.
Riga is right: our players simply aren't good enough.
That's a very dignified exit from Riga. Nicely said. He is respectful, intelligent, and thoughtful: these are important qualities.
We have played far better under Riga: getting forward, having a go. You don't need me to remind you about the last days with Chris Powell, playing only one up front at home. All that dreary, defensive stuff, without a single shot on goal.
I have no interest in Peeters or Luzon. Sideways balls, crab-like, so dull as to make the planets weep.
The players themselves have failed: they are ultimately guilty. They themselves have relegated us. Jackson is quite right when he said after the Bolton game: "It's our fault - we haven't played well enough."
We played with verve and zip in the first half yesterday: quick, attacking moves. Accurate balls over the top to a willing runner. Why in heaven's name didn't we do this all season? Then - the shot is skied, shanked, muffed - or bottled.
Bradley Wright-Phillips was superb when we were last in the third division: ruthless. He used to swivel on the edge of box, and Bang! - hit low and fierce. And Yann Kermorgant leaping high and winning headers - and scoring directly from all the free-kicks that Gudmundsson can only hammer in to the wall.
Riga is right: our players simply aren't good enough.
The club from top to bottom hasn't been good enough.
Did not want him and did not think he was good enough, but full marks for his dignity at all times in unpleasant circumstances. If he were to visit in the future (post Roland not as manager for the third time) then I hope he would get a warm welcome.
The last dozen games we have seen the best football from CAFC and easily good enough to stay in the Championship - in fact, SKY commented that CAFC would be in top half of table as such.
Mick McCarthy said he simply could not comprehend why CAFC were bottom 3 as we have some really good players.
The arrival of Teixeira and Fanni and the return to fitness of Diarra made the difference - who was behind bringing in Tex & Fanni?
Pride comes before a fall, Katrien & Roland - too late now, we've fallen.
Riga is a very good coach and I am regetting renewing at this moment.
In the first half we played top half football easily, and that 11 might even be chasing the playoffs were the likes of Igor and Kashi more fit and in form. We switched off three times at the back and conceded three goals.
Do we really need to have the season ticket renewal argument on every thread?
Doesn't matter as I've renewed anyway - just would have liked Riga to have stayed because I had a feeling that several key players might stay on with Riga as boss, thus enhancing our chances of an immediate return to the Championship.
This is a forum and we are entitled to our views. I respect the right of every contributor to this forum, whether I agree fully, partially or not at all is, again, my personal choice and opinion.
The slow uptake in season tickets might be a concern to potential investors, especially where the source of finance is limited or on a shoestring budget - let's not forget Chris Powell's comment about being promised increased funding prior to the RD takeover - and that funding never appearing. It's easy to promise the earth when promoting a takeover but the reality is there are few Randy Lerners in circulation who are prepared to see their personal fortune go down the pan and financial institutions will want substantial collateral or personal guarantees/charges on the new Director's personal wealth.
As such, I have purchased 2 ST's right on the halfway line in the East Stand - this has knocked me back considerably more than 300 quid but I felt it the right thing to do, fully expecting new owners soon, anyway.
New owners will know that season tickets sales will soar post takeover. Any serious investor will be completely knowledgable about the battle going on.
He has made some frustrating decisions second time around managing us but he's obviously a man that gives his all and doesn't hide away, we're lucky to have had him back tbh, I dunno who's wanna come to us atm, he used to be an IT consultant so I honestly dunno how he got into managing but he deserves praise for the first reign and deserves pride for the second reign.
New owners will know that season tickets sales will soar post takeover. Any serious investor will be completely knowledgable about the battle going on.
That maybe so but one could also argue that investors might take the view that they want to board a ship that is afloat - not half sunk.
Another thing to consider is the pricing of the Season tickets. CAFC tickets have been and still are really cheap in relation to many other Championship clubs and I would suggest the lower revenue from ST's at The Valley could be another major stumbling block in attracting investment - just take a look at Ipswich Town next season: http://www.itfc.co.uk/tickets/season-tickets/
If the club has a high revenue stream from ticket sales and has its operating costs under control then it can buy and attract better players. I, for one, questioned the ST prices for last season as being way too low and, in effect, under ambitious in attracting better players. If Roland had a fault early in his reign, the low ticket pricing could have been one of them. http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/charlton-athletic-season-tickets-201617-2987820.aspx - the North Stand Upper at The Valley is £231 cheaper than the equivalent seat at Portman Road.
Man deserves a lot of credit imo. I believe he came into the job for the love of the club. I also believe he has resigned due to lack of control and he already experienced what that is like at the start of a season during his time at Blackpool.
The only reason Roland will sell is because he realises his dream isn't possible. He's not going to stay and change his strategy because for him that defeats the point of owning the club. The only reason he owns us is because he wants his ridiculous unobtainable plan to work. I fully expect the next manager to be Nobby Vinegar and only because he's happy with working under the constraints of this network.
We will not get a decent manager until RD sells up.
I wish JR all the best in his next venture, it is not him that got us relegated it was the "wierd" meaning unique decision to appoint Fraeye. What makes all this worse, if it can be any worse, is absolute abject silence from the '3' amigos. I put on another thread how I used to support RM, now I lay the blame for this fully at his feet, he is complicit by his silence after the BS he fed us a few months ago. I wish the entire board would do the honorable thing like JR has done and resign, but these 3 people do not know what the word means!!
Don't know about that, they resigned Riga and Roger Johnson ;-)
The last dozen games we have seen the best football from CAFC and easily good enough to stay in the Championship - in fact, SKY commented that CAFC would be in top half of table as such.
Mick McCarthy said he simply could not comprehend why CAFC were bottom 3 as we have some really good players.
The arrival of Teixeira and Fanni and the return to fitness of Diarra made the difference - who was behind bringing in Tex & Fanni?
Pride comes before a fall, Katrien & Roland - too late now, we've fallen.
Riga is a very good coach and I am regetting renewing at this moment.
In the first half we played top half football easily, and that 11 might even be chasing the playoffs were the likes of Igor and Kashi more fit and in form. We switched off three times at the back and conceded three goals.
Do we really need to have the season ticket renewal argument on every thread?
Doesn't matter as I've renewed anyway - just would have liked Riga to have stayed because I had a feeling that several key players might stay on with Riga as boss, thus enhancing our chances of an immediate return to the Championship.
This is a forum and we are entitled to our views. I respect the right of every contributor to this forum, whether I agree fully, partially or not at all is, again, my personal choice and opinion.
The slow uptake in season tickets might be a concern to potential investors, especially where the source of finance is limited or on a shoestring budget - let's not forget Chris Powell's comment about being promised increased funding prior to the RD takeover - and that funding never appearing. It's easy to promise the earth when promoting a takeover but the reality is there are few Randy Lerners in circulation who are prepared to see their personal fortune go down the pan and financial institutions will want substantial collateral or personal guarantees/charges on the new Director's personal wealth.
As such, I have purchased 2 ST's right on the halfway line in the East Stand - this has knocked me back considerably more than 300 quid but I felt it the right thing to do, fully expecting new owners soon, anyway.
I side with you on this, and I understood your comment that as someone who will be going next year you wish he would be around. It was the two or three that followed that I was referring to.
I'm not sure how much of the 'spin' I believe re Riga not being a network puppet but he did seem to be a largely positive influence, not that that is hard in the current circumstances!
Last time Powell himself said to his players that if they wanted to do one thing for him then stay up. Johnnie Jackson also bumped a lot of heads together metaphorically speaking. Riga benefited from that and took rather too many plaudits in my view.
This time he came into a far worse position and was found wanting. Not entirely his fault but at the end of the day we were relegated.
I honestly think we played better at home against Sheffield Wednesday this season than in any of Riga's matches under both spells. Best performance under Riga that I can think of was Watford home in his first spell, after Watford's season was over. That in a nutshell should explain why talking about performances in individual matches is not a good guide of whether a manager is any good or not. And if you're talking about a 'great performance' in a match where we deservedly lost 3-0 at home, then there's no barrel left - you're scraping the ground. 3-0 defeats were no stranger to Riga during either of his spells at the club.
By the way, both Luzon and Peeters had individual matches where the performance level was better than Sheff Wed home this season.
He might be the best manager available under the network, but there's a reason why 4 of his last 6 jobs were under RD, and one of the others was under Oyston. He's just as much a part of the problem.
20 matches in charge this time, 20 points. Rotherham in 21st finished with 49 points.
He might be a nice bloke, but bye Riga. Don't come back, thanks.
I honestly think we played better at home against Sheffield Wednesday this season than in any of Riga's matches under both spells. Best performance under Riga that I can think of was Watford home in his first spell, after Watford's season was over. That in a nutshell should explain why talking about performances in individual matches is not a good guide of whether a manager is any good or not. And if you're talking about a 'great performance' in a match where we deservedly lost 3-0 at home, then there's no barrel left - you're scraping the ground. 3-0 defeats were no stranger to Riga during either of his spells at the club.
By the way, both Luzon and Peeters had individual matches where the performance level was better than Sheff Wed home this season.
He might be the best manager available under the network, but there's a reason why 4 of his last 6 jobs were under RD, and one of the others was under Oyston. He's just as much a part of the problem.
20 matches in charge this time, 20 points. Rotherham in 21st finished with 49 points.
He might be a nice bloke, but bye Riga. Don't come back, thanks.
I don't know that anyone said we played brilliantly throughout. I said we played very well in the first half, should have had a pen, forced 2-3 class saves from a keeper going to the Euros, switched off/got caught flat footed once and were 1-0 down at halftime.
I am very much of the belief that results are misleading in football. I think our performances improved under him immensely, even if he did have better players. The run in we had, thanks to blowing so many winnable matches over the Christmas period, was incredibly tricky, four teams in the top six in the last six matches.
No one is saying he's a world beater but I don't know how else to say he clearly improved both the collective and individuals. I think it's unfair to not at least acknowledge that.
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The chalice was poisoned and the rot was set in.
Riga got us some decent wins, however the lack of end product cost us dearly.
http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/sport/charlton/14478002.Jose_Riga_insists_he_has_no_regrets_about_returning_to_Charlton_following_resignation/
Clearly the regime were not prepared to give him such control and KM is lying when she says that she has learned the lessons from why Charlton were relegated.
The immoral cowards have of course said nothing of substance whatsoever since yesterday's events.
I’d have thought defending from dead ball situations would rank as a matter of pride to defenders, but we have conceded in excess of 20 - one every other game - this aspect alone would encourage the opposition in their pre match training, especially knowing Charlton rarely come back.
I know yesterday wasn’t really about the match, but one thing hasn’t changed all season, teams can get about us, and as Curbishley said last night - ‘he’d love to bring a side to the Valley at the moment’. With the things going on and the toxic atmosphere it has made for one of the easier Championship awaydays.
No Head of Communications : No Chief Scout : No Director of Football : No Head of Security
Last game of season CEO absent : Fan Director liaison absent : Owner not attended home game all season
We don't know what his contract terms were or what clauses there were.
Regardless he left with dignity and his head held high.
We can debate his virtues as a coach (over praised in first term, under appreciated in his second, undermined by RD and KM in both terms inho) but he comes over as a decent caring man who wanted Chalton to succeed.
If I ever see him in a bar I'd happily buy him a drink.
He certainly has something about him that the other 3 didn't, but for me the jury is still out.
Seems to be a thoroughly decent chap though and at least he cares.
I wish him well.
The worry is there is nobody better for us whilst this carnage continues.
We have played far better under Riga: getting forward, having a go. You don't need me to remind you about the last days with Chris Powell, playing only one up front at home. All that dreary, defensive stuff, without a single shot on goal.
I have no interest in Peeters or Luzon. Sideways balls, crab-like, so dull as to make the planets weep.
The players themselves have failed: they are ultimately guilty. They themselves have relegated us. Jackson is quite right when he said after the Bolton game: "It's our fault - we haven't played well enough."
We played with verve and zip in the first half yesterday: quick, attacking moves. Accurate balls over the top to a willing runner. Why in heaven's name didn't we do this all season? Then - the shot is skied, shanked, muffed - or bottled.
Bradley Wright-Phillips was superb when we were last in the third division: ruthless. He used to swivel on the edge of box, and Bang! - hit low and fierce. And Yann Kermorgant leaping high and winning headers - and scoring directly from all the free-kicks that Gudmundsson can only hammer in to the wall.
Riga is right: our players simply aren't good enough.
This is a forum and we are entitled to our views. I respect the right of every contributor to this forum, whether I agree fully, partially or not at all is, again, my personal choice and opinion.
The slow uptake in season tickets might be a concern to potential investors, especially where the source of finance is limited or on a shoestring budget - let's not forget Chris Powell's comment about being promised increased funding prior to the RD takeover - and that funding never appearing.
It's easy to promise the earth when promoting a takeover but the reality is there are few Randy Lerners in circulation who are prepared to see their personal fortune go down the pan and financial institutions will want substantial collateral or personal guarantees/charges on the new Director's personal wealth.
As such, I have purchased 2 ST's right on the halfway line in the East Stand - this has knocked me back considerably more than 300 quid but I felt it the right thing to do, fully expecting new owners soon, anyway.
Another thing to consider is the pricing of the Season tickets.
CAFC tickets have been and still are really cheap in relation to many other Championship clubs and I would suggest the lower revenue from ST's at The Valley could be another major stumbling block in attracting investment - just take a look at Ipswich Town next season:
http://www.itfc.co.uk/tickets/season-tickets/
If the club has a high revenue stream from ticket sales and has its operating costs under control then it can buy and attract better players.
I, for one, questioned the ST prices for last season as being way too low and, in effect, under ambitious in attracting better players.
If Roland had a fault early in his reign, the low ticket pricing could have been one of them.
http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/charlton-athletic-season-tickets-201617-2987820.aspx - the North Stand Upper at The Valley is £231 cheaper than the equivalent seat at Portman Road.
The only reason Roland will sell is because he realises his dream isn't possible. He's not going to stay and change his strategy because for him that defeats the point of owning the club. The only reason he owns us is because he wants his ridiculous unobtainable plan to work. I fully expect the next manager to be Nobby Vinegar and only because he's happy with working under the constraints of this network.
We will not get a decent manager until RD sells up.
I can't remember but I think it was over 3000 people who would all be putting their weight behind a new regime.
Last time Powell himself said to his players that if they wanted to do one thing for him then stay up. Johnnie Jackson also bumped a lot of heads together metaphorically speaking. Riga benefited from that and took rather too many plaudits in my view.
This time he came into a far worse position and was found wanting. Not entirely his fault but at the end of the day we were relegated.
Nevertheless I wish him all the best.
By the way, both Luzon and Peeters had individual matches where the performance level was better than Sheff Wed home this season.
He might be the best manager available under the network, but there's a reason why 4 of his last 6 jobs were under RD, and one of the others was under Oyston. He's just as much a part of the problem.
20 matches in charge this time, 20 points. Rotherham in 21st finished with 49 points.
He might be a nice bloke, but bye Riga. Don't come back, thanks.
I am very much of the belief that results are misleading in football. I think our performances improved under him immensely, even if he did have better players. The run in we had, thanks to blowing so many winnable matches over the Christmas period, was incredibly tricky, four teams in the top six in the last six matches.
No one is saying he's a world beater but I don't know how else to say he clearly improved both the collective and individuals. I think it's unfair to not at least acknowledge that.