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Meires parents house visited
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It is a tad distasteful yet as long as the "visitors" were polite and not intimidating then I am OK with it as a one off. We have to show these people that our ingenuity knows no bounds. TBH if we are talking about unease well I don't like how many people claim to hate these people, I hate what they are doing to our club but don't know them enough to form an opinion in them personally.1
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Look at the history folks. Every owner who runs in to trouble with the fans ends up selling in the end. It might take time but it will happen. Keep up the protests but do it with class.1
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I've no problem with it. Crack on lads.1
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I think @Addickted it's the intent that's the issue, not how it was delivered. They live according to the opening post well out of town, so it was done deliberately for that reason.
We removed the pictures that were posted up last week of her parents house, her father etc because imo it crossed a line.
I don't get if you really wanted to 'get personal' why you would target her parents when you could meet her every day outside the club or the station?
Chances are they never even told Katrien about it, the only real result I can see is upsetting unconnected people with regards to their daughter. If elderly parents are fair game, then if she had kids would their school be too?
Anyone who says they are comfortable with this cannot be giving any consideration to if your elderly parents were visited at home on a Sunday by a group of foreign blokes wanting to deliver 'a message'.
If she does know about it, knowing her she will be doing everything possible to track you down.28 -
I have read all the posts so far, and tried to weigh up both sides of this discussion, however I have to say I'm on the side of NOT targeting families. This to me is a step too far and losses the moral high ground. Like many on here if people were visiting my elderly mothers house because I was bad at my job I would be incensed. So far, in the main, the protests have been peaceful and legitimate, this has resulted in lots of good press and support from many areas of the footballing and general public. However you could lose all that if you target families, it is not their fault and they cant be held responsible for what another adult does. I agree target RD businesses, if ts legal and peaceful, and that's what you feel needs to be done, but please leave families and neighbours alone or risk losing the support of press and the public. KM may well be an incompetent CEO, but she is not being directed by her parents on how to do the job, she is being directed by RD and maybe even TK and RM, lets please keep a sense of perspective here.10
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I take it this was done 10 or so days ago, and done so in order to get some kind of weird reaction from Meire. Which for once didn't happen. I question the logic of making this public now, how does this help? I hope someone gave the mother flowers or chocolates, the parents shouldn't be 'targeted'.2
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'Targeted' makes it sound so much worse than it actually was judging by the description.
It sounds like you were tipped off about the address and impulsively dropped a leaflet through the door and of neighbours but the Dad answered.
Maybe I'm a little hardened to it. My school teachers made a point of targeting my parents every day to tell them what a failure I was.
*edit... Just re-read it and saw the 'legitimate target' bit. Don't agree with that at all.
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Weird meaning unique. {...}HarryLime said:I take it this was done 10 or so days ago, and done so in order to get some kind of weird reaction from Meire. Which for once didn't happen. I question the logic of making this public now, how does this help? I hope someone gave the mother flowers or chocolates, the parents shouldn't be 'targeted'.
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Her and Roland have ripped apart any fun my boys and my Dad gain from football for the last two years. Systematically and seemingly deliberately. Their depressing dismantling of our club has consumed our family conversations and drained the excitement and hope that going to the football as a family brings. Next season we're not going to home matches, the first time since the 1920s that no-one from my family will be at the Valley every other Saturday.
The pain and misery she has been involved in inflicting to a cherished family activity is hard to quantify.
Due to the above I can't agree that peacefully leafletting her family's neighbourhood is overstepping the mark. If her Dad hadn't answered the door and been spoken to I suspect the reaction on here might not be so strong.
The use of the word targeting was wrong, and in fact I don't actually think there was any need for this statement as it only invites the kind of reception it's received. What have the Belgian 20 gained by putting it out there?
However, anything we can do within the law to get her and Roland out is acceptable as far as I'm concerned. If it's made her parents life at home a little unsettled, well, as unpleasant as that must be it was only a leaflet put through their door. She's messing with our families lives with worse to come and no end in sight.10 -
Wrong un behaviour.7
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I'd imagine whoever spoke to Mr Meire is a member on here. Let's hear it from the horse's mouth.
I won't hold my breath...
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Just for clarification, I wasn't involved in this or the leafleting of Duchatalet and his neighbours.
However, I don't believe the action of posting a few polite leaflets in letterboxes 'oversteps the mark', wherever that may be.
I don't know what was said to her parents or the tone that was taken - perhaps Mr President could clear that up? With a son the same age as her I also wouldn't describe myself as elderly.
Personally, I wouldn't give her the time of day as I'm not sure I could contain my language in front of her.
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Grumpyaddick,Dave2l said:
Agreed.grumpyaddick said:
If a group of strangers approached my elderly parents at their home without an invitation, on the grounds that I was doing a crap job at work, I would have a very serious sense of humour failure.
Sorry this is brainless and totally unacceptable. It is also counter-productive because it plays into the narrative of 'Ms. Meire, the vulnerable female victim doing her best in a man's world'.
I was obviously not present so can't describe how things went down but it just sounds very foolish for quite a few reasons.
I hate it.
Meire is her own worst enemy. It's a bit annoying that's she's making a load of money on the back of doing a very bad job, but that's the reality. She's lucky for now but more or less in the end, everyone ends up where they deserve. She won't be a big shot in 10 years that's a fact. I don't care either way though.
Simply ignoring the woman and pretending she doesn't exist is probably a better way of getting to her as the current attention, whether good or bad, still means something.
I don't take her seriously. You couldn't force me into a conversation with her. She would be an irrelevance in whatever environment.
Don't stoop so low.
As a fanbase, charlton is a proud club to support and there is more of a level of dignity and integrity about us then what going Meires parents house suggests.
Keep it that way
You said that it plays into her narrative of being the vulnerable woman; she has had nearly two weeks to do that but she hasn't done so ( she did so within hours of being being confronted on the train back from Watford ). I suspect that she knows that to do so could mean facing awkward questions about why supporters did this.
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You say that It is " a bit annoying " that Katrien is making very good money. You are totally missing the point. It is very, very annoying that she and Roland are doing serious long term damage to our club irrespective of how much she is being paid.Your assertion that that it is a fact that she won't be " a big shot " in ten years is just plain silly. You have no way of knowing what she will be doing or how much she will be paid in 10 years time and to claim that you can so accurately see into the future that your predictions are fact is, frankly, ludicrous.
With regard to the point that other people have made regarding that only targeting Roland and Katrien' s workplace is acceptabl, I would say that two weeks ago Roland visited the Valley. A small group of fans gathered outside and asked to speak to Roland. The security staff were very relaxed and chatted happily to the protesters, some even shaking hands with them. Had Roland and/or Katrien had come to have even a ten minute chat with the mainly middle aged fans who were matched in numbers by security staff then the argument that this is a worthwhile tactic may have held water. Roland and Katrien's actual response was to slip out by a rear exit expressly to avoid any contact with supporters. Even some of the security staff expressed embarrassment by this.5 -
There is a line that you cross if you target and intimidate people. That is not how the protest has conducted itself this far.
BUT this "sounds" like this was pushing leaflets through a door in an area where KM's parents lived. It "sounds" like the father opened the door and a polite non intimidatory conversation was had.
The aim of the Belgian protest is presumably to take it to RD and to a lesser extent, KM, on their home turf. The aim is presumably to embarrass and raise the issues of their tenure close to home, where it would be more uncomfortable than far away in SE7,at least for one of them.
What happened does not "sound" excessive to me, if the aims are as I have stated above.
If someone came to my house with leaflets about what one of my kids was doing in another country, and I confronted them about it, and they explained respectfully, well it would have an effect. I might ask my kid some serious questions about it. I would not be very impressed at what I read of their conduct.
Sadly, I think, we are very unlikely to get RD and his minions out by being too nice and considerate. Within the law, yes, as classy and inventive as we can be, yes, but there are going to have to be times when we have to play a little dirty.
Afterall, we are facing a regime that is playing extremely hard and fast with us, and using every dirty trick at their disposal. Like over the top bodyguard escorts and searches at the POTY event.
That's just my view on it.10 -
Well done lads, anything to get her out and make her squirm, I'm fine with it.
This is the lady that is slowly dismantling our club, and is overseeing one of the darkest days in our history, her, her family and her businesses are game IMO.1 -
Just a bit weird in my opinion.0
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Out of interest, if the house had been leafleted and no-one had heard and come to do the door, so no conversation had happened, would people still be uncomfortable?2
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Did the father come to the door after leaflet dropped through or was the door deliberately knocked on , unlike the other houses where leaflets were dropped ?2
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What did it achieve?2
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Targeted was a poor choice of word.
That's all.
Perhaps, like political parties would have done, her parents were actually merely canvassed?
Don't see that as a problem at all. And certainly not in comparison to the grief, anguish, and general crap that their daughter has endlessly heaped on us.
If she doesn't like the heat she knows what she's got to do.
Frankly, I'd prefer to be visited by a group of Charlton supporters than the fecking Jehovah's Witnesses that seem to think it's acceptable to doorstep you.
IMO, it is entirely legitimate way of getting our views across to ANYONE that might have some influence on her and her boss.
I am bemused by all the "crossed the line" comments.
BTW does anyone know if Murray's house is empty while he's at a match?
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Personally, yes. They were in St Truiden which for all intents and purposes is run by Roland. There were plenty of his businesses that they could have targeted far more successfully yet they travelled 22km out after "identifying" Katriens parents house and "targeted" it. Not only is it wrong, it was a waste of resource and effort when Roland's businesses made for a far better target.Garrymanilow said:Out of interest, if the house had been leafleted and no-one had heard and come to do the door, so no conversation had happened, would people still be uncomfortable?
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Was the door hung on the left or the right?oohaahmortimer said:Did the father come to the door after leaflet dropped through or was the door deliberately knocked on , unlike the other houses where leaflets were dropped ?
Also was it better than Danny Greens house?5 -
I absolutely disagree with this approach. The word 'targeting' has been questioned in this thread - and rightly so. However I would go further and say it is intimidation.
What on earth does anyone expect to achieve by intimidating KM's parents, or even total strangers who just happen to live in the area. Headline ' Charlton's CEO forced to resign after her parents targeted by fans'. I would expect any sympathy generated by CARD in its actions to date would evaporate overnight.
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Meire turning up at POTY with three heavies and having bags searched on the way in may have been a reaction?HarryLime said:I take it this was done 10 or so days ago, and done so in order to get some kind of weird reaction from Meire. Which for once didn't happen. I question the logic of making this public now, how does this help? I hope someone gave the mother flowers or chocolates, the parents shouldn't be 'targeted'.
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What are you expecting her father to do? Slap the back of her legs and 'ground' her for a season?
Don't agree with this. Any parent would worry about strangers coming to the door and complaining about their child. I suppose we know that they don't have any underlying health condition that could be exacerbated by worry?
She's made her own life decisions let her suffer the consequences.1 -
If we achieved those headlines - job done. None of us would need to care about any headlines that would be forgotten two days later. And we wouldn't need sympathy anyway. In any event what does sympathy ever achieve?bobmunro said:I absolutely disagree with this approach. The word 'targeting' has been questioned in this thread - and rightly so. However I would go further and say it is intimidation.
What on earth does anyone expect to achieve by intimidating KM's parents, or even total strangers who just happen to live in the area. Headline ' Charlton's CEO forced to resign after her parents targeted by fans'. I would expect any sympathy generated by CARD in its actions to date would evaporate overnight.
The hand-wringing regarding this excellent episode in our on-going protests is pathetic. What are some of you thinking?
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I think (happy to be corrected) that this wasn't a CARD protest. I imagine that subtlety would be lost on anyone from the outside looking in though so your point is completely valid.bobmunro said:I absolutely disagree with this approach. The word 'targeting' has been questioned in this thread - and rightly so. However I would go further and say it is intimidation.
What on earth does anyone expect to achieve by intimidating KM's parents, or even total strangers who just happen to live in the area. Headline ' Charlton's CEO forced to resign after her parents targeted by fans'. I would expect any sympathy generated by CARD in its actions to date would evaporate overnight.3 -
Just seems a bit pathetic to me.1
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Anyone see if she had a poster of Chris Powell on her bedroom wall?2
