Here is a link to the explanation and survey by the trust (OP, might be good to put this in the first post).
The three options for the meeting are "No," "Yes and listen to what they say and report back," and "Yes and tell them to sell."
I voted for Yes and tell them to sell. I fear that this leadership team will not get it until it's put bluntly to them. Also, in the meeting will be Richard Murray, a man who is allegedly part of a takeover vehicle. It should be made clear to him that he is considered as much a part of the problem as anyone else.
I think not meeting would be used against CAST in the press. During the meeting CAST can declare that they no longer consider this regime to be worthy stewards of the club, and plan to boycott all future meetings. Meeting with them once does not sign them up to anything in the future. But now could be our only chance to tell them face to face that we will accept nothing short of them going.
Here is a link to the explanation and survey by the trust (OP, might be good to put this in the first post).
The three options for the meeting are "No," "Yes and listen to what they say and report back," and "Yes and tell them to sell."
I voted for Yes and tell them to sell. I fear that this leadership team will not get it until it's put bluntly to them. Also, in the meeting will be Richard Murray, a man who is allegedly part of a takeover vehicle. It should be made clear to him that he is considered as much a part of the problem as anyone else.
I think not meeting would be used against CAST in the press. During the meeting CAST can declare that they no longer consider this regime to be worthy stewards of the club, and plan to boycott all future meetings. Meeting with them once does not sign them up to anything in the future. But now could be our only chance to tell them face to face that we will accept nothing short of them going.
This. Especially telling Richard Murray that he is part of the problem, and is not welcome in any position at CAFC, now, or in the future.
Clearly no more than a bid to divide opposition and also enable them to tell the media they have met with fans.
Neither of them tells the truth, and no meeting with them has made a scrap of difference. No point in playing their game, especially as our aim is for them to go, and go soon.
PR own goal for CAST if they refuse to meet. Ammunition for Meire to use in that they tried to talk but fans are unreasonable. You won't hear that ovatures for dialogue has been rebutted for two years by the regime.
Tell them that the fans want them gone and it will remain an unmanageable club until they depart.
Option 2. Not turning up is what they are hoping. But get the message across that there will be no discussion with KM and RM. The only way forward for CAFC is RD selling.
PR own goal for CAST if they refuse to meet. Ammunition for Meire to use in that they tried to talk but fans are unreasonable. You won't hear that ovatures for dialogue has been rebutted for two years by the regime.
Tell them that the fans want them gone and it will remain an unmanageable club until they depart.
I understand your position. I was between the two options ("No" and "yes, tell them to sell"), but ultimately voted "No".
CARD has already drawn the line: there is no way back for Roland.
They want to split the coalition by being seen to open communication. They want to appeal to the less militant aspects of the supporter base and want to use CAST to do so. In my opinion, it would be a mistake to engage now, on their terms.
Through CARD we've built up a tremendous international media profile for the fight to get rid of Duchatelet. We're winning the PR battle convincingly. Goodwill for the protests is widespread, practically unanimous, which will be further proved today.
We shouldn't relent. We have every opportunity to hit them when they attempt to gain the moral high ground by claiming that the Trust refused to meet. It will give us an opportunity to underline the evidence over the past two years, including the Varney saga. We have tried to engage; we and others were rebuffed because of their arrogance. They've had enough rope now and have hanged themselves. There is nothing to talk about now.
If I was their PR consultant, I would not have advised them down this road. It's a mistake. They are in no position to defend themselves and will only provide more opportunity for CARD PR to embarrass them. To bring the facts into even more focus.
We don't need a meeting to tell them the supporters want them gone. We've done that and will continue to do so. We'll continue to do so in public.
1. To be clear, I'm obviously not speaking for CARD, nor the Trust, but that is the position I take and will argue for as a member of each.
2. If they want to meet, they know exactly where to find us. We'll be marching at The Valley today, from 2:15. We'll be outside the West Stand after the match. If you've got something to say, Katrien, why not address your customers then?
I voted the second option. I don't see how it helps us to ignore the overtures. I don't thnink anything will come of it. Unless they have very specific plans to present, I'm not sure what they want to achieve. I doubt it's to tell us they've sold. Any change is attitude from the fans would only occur based on action by the club, not the promise of action.
Those who are worried they are trying to divide us, that may be true, but I have faith that our representatives will also see that.
I would prefer that they produced an agenda in advance, together with their attendee list, and they have to agree that none of this is off the record. The trust must be allowed to produce their report on the event with any approval from them.
Have to meet otherwise it gives them ammunition. But confirm who will be attending in advance so km doen't load up with as much staff as possible, and set a plan for the talks so whe doesn't do her norm and dictate and control. The fact it's such short notice is already a sign that they are tying to gain an advantage and it is just an exercise for later publicity or excuses.
Trust asking members to vote on whether they should meet with Miere and Murray next week. Only no option says no at this time. I know a lot of you buy into the two pronged attack of protest and dialogue but is now really the right time! Especially with Murray there.
Too short notice. Push them back on the date and time and get an agenda and list of club attendees up front. We know how they stage manage these affairs.
I voted yes and tell them to sell. They have lied consistently since the takeover and cannot be trusted. The only reason they now want dialogue is because they have been backed into a corner.
Here is a link to the explanation and survey by the trust (OP, might be good to put this in the first post).
The three options for the meeting are "No," "Yes and listen to what they say and report back," and "Yes and tell them to sell."
I voted for Yes and tell them to sell. I fear that this leadership team will not get it until it's put bluntly to them. Also, in the meeting will be Richard Murray, a man who is allegedly part of a takeover vehicle. It should be made clear to him that he is considered as much a part of the problem as anyone else.
I think not meeting would be used against CAST in the press. During the meeting CAST can declare that they no longer consider this regime to be worthy stewards of the club, and plan to boycott all future meetings. Meeting with them once does not sign them up to anything in the future. But now could be our only chance to tell them face to face that we will accept nothing short of them going.
Never turn down an opportunity for 'dialogue'. They don't give a ***** about it, but don't give them the chance to blame supporters for lack of dialogue.
"meet with RM & KM in order to recommend, face to face, that the current regime should seek a buyer for the club."
Turn it down and risk losing some of the moral high ground we've built up, turn up and listen to them is tantamount to indulgence. Meet them and repeat the message that will ring out from the stands today - "get out of our club".
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insist that the meeting is recorded and will be made available to supporters.
list all the untrue statements made by the SMT and ask why they should now be believed
tell them the result of your survey that I expect says that the majority want RD out.
any further meeting will have to be with RD as he is the decision maker.
Meire: "We know, we read Charlton Life and are aware of the message from the past 6 months of protest"
CAST: "Well?"
Meire: "We're not going anywhere. We're bringing a different kind of success that is unique"
CAST: "Muzza?"
Murray: "What she said. Give them time. They're the best thing for the club".
CAST: Hmmmpfff. That's all the agenda items. Any other business?...
Here is a link to the explanation and survey by the trust (OP, might be good to put this in the first post).
The three options for the meeting are "No," "Yes and listen to what they say and report back," and "Yes and tell them to sell."
I voted for Yes and tell them to sell. I fear that this leadership team will not get it until it's put bluntly to them. Also, in the meeting will be Richard Murray, a man who is allegedly part of a takeover vehicle. It should be made clear to him that he is considered as much a part of the problem as anyone else.
I think not meeting would be used against CAST in the press. During the meeting CAST can declare that they no longer consider this regime to be worthy stewards of the club, and plan to boycott all future meetings. Meeting with them once does not sign them up to anything in the future. But now could be our only chance to tell them face to face that we will accept nothing short of them going.
Neither of them tells the truth, and no meeting with them has made a scrap of difference. No point in playing their game, especially as our aim is for them to go, and go soon.
Turn up and tell them to jam it
Tell them that the fans want them gone and it will remain an unmanageable club until they depart.
CARD has already drawn the line: there is no way back for Roland.
They want to split the coalition by being seen to open communication. They want to appeal to the less militant aspects of the supporter base and want to use CAST to do so. In my opinion, it would be a mistake to engage now, on their terms.
Through CARD we've built up a tremendous international media profile for the fight to get rid of Duchatelet. We're winning the PR battle convincingly. Goodwill for the protests is widespread, practically unanimous, which will be further proved today.
We shouldn't relent. We have every opportunity to hit them when they attempt to gain the moral high ground by claiming that the Trust refused to meet. It will give us an opportunity to underline the evidence over the past two years, including the Varney saga. We have tried to engage; we and others were rebuffed because of their arrogance. They've had enough rope now and have hanged themselves. There is nothing to talk about now.
If I was their PR consultant, I would not have advised them down this road. It's a mistake. They are in no position to defend themselves and will only provide more opportunity for CARD PR to embarrass them. To bring the facts into even more focus.
We don't need a meeting to tell them the supporters want them gone. We've done that and will continue to do so. We'll continue to do so in public.
There is more coming.
1. To be clear, I'm obviously not speaking for CARD, nor the Trust, but that is the position I take and will argue for as a member of each.
2. If they want to meet, they know exactly where to find us. We'll be marching at The Valley today, from 2:15. We'll be outside the West Stand after the match. If you've got something to say, Katrien, why not address your customers then?
Those who are worried they are trying to divide us, that may be true, but I have faith that our representatives will also see that.
I would prefer that they produced an agenda in advance, together with their attendee list, and they have to agree that none of this is off the record. The trust must be allowed to produce their report on the event with any approval from them.
The tables are turned, they are not worth our time and the only thing now on our agenda is the timescale for their departure.
The fact it's such short notice is already a sign that they are tying to gain an advantage and it is just an exercise for later publicity or excuses.
That's my view anyway.