im not buying one but if people do they get what there paying for so dont come crying on here when the team are beyond shit and were sailing on down to league 2.
That's kinda the point. They won't come on here. Frankly, most of them won't go anywhere crying, and very few of them will ever come on here.
You see it's not always about where the money goes and who the owner is. Clearly that matters to a lot of people, but for some it is just purchasing something that they want - a ticket to watch their team.
Maybe League One football is not for you. Maybe you are only interested in watching Charlton in the top two divisions. That's fine, I don't like third division football either, but for many they can't imagine not going so why wouldn't they buy their season ticket? I'm not advocating that they should have done, just that they don't think like you so you can't assume that they would come on here and moan (like you do).
In reality most fans that have been coming for over twenty years will have had plenty to moan about so coming again next year isn't likely to make them start now.
more than happy to watch the team in any league but wont be giving a penny to roland if i can help it will still follow the team away as i have for a good few years, i stopped my season ticket a few years back as i was prioritising going to an away game over a home game, so i tend to just pay on the day for home games.
the tradition thing i always understand, started going to charlton games with my grandad, went once with him this season and it was on a day with the card anti refreshment protests, he wanted a pint at the game so we got one, for me it was a one off and he passed last month so was glad we got one last game together, a lot of people have traditions, and would be a void to fill on a saturday afternoon.
also wasnt assuming anything if said if they do moan would fall on deaf ears.
I'm sorry for your loss.
If you stopped buying a season ticket a few years ago are you actually withdrawing your money from Roland or are you just continuing your existing behaviour?
gradually taken it down used to average 10-12 home games a season, and when we go we usually get in early have a couple of drinks etc, this season ive been to 2 games, 1 of which i drove so literally was just a ticket and no refreshments.
To be fair to those who have renewed (I didn't but it was hard), it's a lot easier to take the strong line in not renewing when you're not actually going anyway.
Was just being nosey (and checking that no one has taken my seats yet, in case I do renew), and strangely enough they haven't added the extra £25 they threatened on to the price of my ST's.
Still can't believe how many of you have fronted up your money for them
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you and I and others also continue to hand over cash to the regime that took our club to Selhurst and Upton Park when a lot of charlton fans boycotted the move ? What's different ? There wouldn't be a charlton athletic today if we hadn't continued to support the team
Whatever else we think his faults are, even Roland hasn't done something as bad as abandoning the Valley and making us play at a rivals ground
yet
though I guess if there are just a few fans still supporting the team then we shouldn't dismiss that being part of the ultimate game plan
I agree that people shouldn't be criticised for renewing as it's the choice of the individual.
The frustrating thing is, however, that a vast majority of our supporters are anti regime. If no one renewed (impossible to control I know) I don't see RD would have any option other than to sell.
No. I think those buying season tickets should be critisised at every opportunity. We need to make Duchatelet's running of the club as difficult as is possible. Handing over cash up front not only undermines that but gives him a PR victory.
Just my opinion but I think anyone who knows the score and understands what CARD represents and still buys a season ticket needs shooting.
I think that's an unnecessary comment and a bit insulting to a lot of people. I'm anti RD but I'm not letting him drive me away from Charlton and have bought a season ticket. some people won't understand that, but I shouldn't be criticized or shot.
That's fair enough. I can't see it myself. You are supporting RD and everything he is trying to do.
I get the impression it's sometimes a bit like stamp collecting for some. " Ive had a season ticket for 22 years" not going to miss a season for any reason.
I agree that people shouldn't be criticised for renewing as it's the choice of the individual.
The frustrating thing is, however, that a vast majority of our supporters are anti regime. If no one renewed (impossible to control I know) I don't see RD would have any option other than to sell.
No. I think those buying season tickets should be critisised at every opportunity. We need to make Duchatelet's running of the club as difficult as is possible. Handing over cash up front not only undermines that but gives him a PR victory.
Just my opinion but I think anyone who knows the score and understands what CARD represents and still buys a season ticket needs shooting.
I think that's an unnecessary comment and a bit insulting to a lot of people. I'm anti RD but I'm not letting him drive me away from Charlton and have bought a season ticket. some people won't understand that, but I shouldn't be criticized or shot.
You are supporting RD and everything he is trying to do.
No he's not.
Getting a bit disappointed with some people on here having a pop at certain posters who have decided to renew - despite their anti regime feelings.
If somebody wants to buy a season ticket, even after taking into account how the club is being run, then it's got feck all to do with you or I.
I agree that people shouldn't be criticised for renewing as it's the choice of the individual.
The frustrating thing is, however, that a vast majority of our supporters are anti regime. If no one renewed (impossible to control I know) I don't see RD would have any option other than to sell.
No. I think those buying season tickets should be critisised at every opportunity. We need to make Duchatelet's running of the club as difficult as is possible. Handing over cash up front not only undermines that but gives him a PR victory.
Just my opinion but I think anyone who knows the score and understands what CARD represents and still buys a season ticket needs shooting.
I think that's an unnecessary comment and a bit insulting to a lot of people. I'm anti RD but I'm not letting him drive me away from Charlton and have bought a season ticket. some people won't understand that, but I shouldn't be criticized or shot.
You are supporting RD and everything he is trying to do.
No he's not.
Getting a bit disappointed with some people on here having a pop at certain posters who have decided to renew - despite their anti regime feelings.
If somebody wants to buy a season ticket, even after taking into account how the club is being run, then it's got feck all to do with you or I.
You are of course right. It's got nothing to do with me.
Carry on giving Duchatelet money and support. Buy his hot dogs and lager. Make it easier for him to run the club.
On the plus side the season tickets will be cheaper still when we are in league 2.
I'd be interested to hear an argument as to why disclosing the number of season tickets sold is "commercially sensitive". What conceivable use is this information to any rival business, especially as they don't have the contact details of the non-renewals?
Given that anyone can get a fair idea from looking at the club's online booking system, what exactly is the commercial advantage in keeping a precise number secret?
I'd imagine it wouldn't help any conversation with sponsors or advertisers.
Now they know people are monitoring / counting, the cynic in me says that more and more tickets will start disappearing off sale giving the illusion of higher sales to encourage people to renew...
I'd be interested to hear an argument as to why disclosing the number of season tickets sold is "commercially sensitive". What conceivable use is this information to any rival business, especially as they don't have the contact details of the non-renewals?
Given that anyone can get a fair idea from looking at the club's online booking system, what exactly is the commercial advantage in keeping a precise number secret?
I'd imagine it wouldn't help any conversation with sponsors or advertisers.
That's a fair point, but it's not as if they can't ask.
I agree that people shouldn't be criticised for renewing as it's the choice of the individual.
The frustrating thing is, however, that a vast majority of our supporters are anti regime. If no one renewed (impossible to control I know) I don't see RD would have any option other than to sell.
No. I think those buying season tickets should be critisised at every opportunity. We need to make Duchatelet's running of the club as difficult as is possible. Handing over cash up front not only undermines that but gives him a PR victory.
Just my opinion but I think anyone who knows the score and understands what CARD represents and still buys a season ticket needs shooting.
I think that's an unnecessary comment and a bit insulting to a lot of people. I'm anti RD but I'm not letting him drive me away from Charlton and have bought a season ticket. some people won't understand that, but I shouldn't be criticized or shot.
You are supporting RD and everything he is trying to do.
No he's not.
Getting a bit disappointed with some people on here having a pop at certain posters who have decided to renew - despite their anti regime feelings.
If somebody wants to buy a season ticket, even after taking into account how the club is being run, then it's got feck all to do with you or I.
You are of course right. It's got nothing to do with me.
Carry on giving Duchatelet money and support. Buy his hot dogs and lager. Make it easier for him to run the club.
On the plus side the season tickets will be cheaper still when we are in league 2.
What do you care - you wont be there anyway.
Meanwhile cabbles will be supporting his team as he always has. If you seriously think £500k in ST sales to date is going to make the blindest bit of difference to our current owner, then you are sadly mistaken. It's a drop in the Ocean for him.
I agree that people shouldn't be criticised for renewing as it's the choice of the individual.
The frustrating thing is, however, that a vast majority of our supporters are anti regime. If no one renewed (impossible to control I know) I don't see RD would have any option other than to sell.
No. I think those buying season tickets should be critisised at every opportunity. We need to make Duchatelet's running of the club as difficult as is possible. Handing over cash up front not only undermines that but gives him a PR victory.
Just my opinion but I think anyone who knows the score and understands what CARD represents and still buys a season ticket needs shooting.
I think that's an unnecessary comment and a bit insulting to a lot of people. I'm anti RD but I'm not letting him drive me away from Charlton and have bought a season ticket. some people won't understand that, but I shouldn't be criticized or shot.
You are supporting RD and everything he is trying to do.
No he's not.
Getting a bit disappointed with some people on here having a pop at certain posters who have decided to renew - despite their anti regime feelings.
If somebody wants to buy a season ticket, even after taking into account how the club is being run, then it's got feck all to do with you or I.
You are of course right. It's got nothing to do with me.
Carry on giving Duchatelet money and support. Buy his hot dogs and lager. Make it easier for him to run the club.
On the plus side the season tickets will be cheaper still when we are in league 2.
What do you care - you wont be there anyway.
Meanwhile cabbles will be supporting his team as he always has. If you seriously think £500k in ST sales to date is going to make the blindest bit of difference to our current owner, then you are sadly mistaken. It's a drop in the Ocean for him.
I understand a few exceptions but not 4,000 exceptions. Why are people buying ST's? It is what will help these people kill the club. Your short term gain is your long term loss.
Please don't take this too personally but just who is this post aimed at?
I suspect that the majority of the 4,000 (which is, incidentally 40% of the 'current' season ticket holders) don't even know what Charlton Life is, let alone come on here and have you, and about two hundred others, call them names and accuse them of destroying the club.
I am as frustrated as anyone else as to how the club is being run but Richard Murray does have a point when he says it's just a message board thing. Clearly he underestimates the numbers, but I feel as though posts like this are preaching to the converted. There is just no need for them.
I agree that people shouldn't be criticised for renewing as it's the choice of the individual.
The frustrating thing is, however, that a vast majority of our supporters are anti regime. If no one renewed (impossible to control I know) I don't see RD would have any option other than to sell.
No. I think those buying season tickets should be critisised at every opportunity. We need to make Duchatelet's running of the club as difficult as is possible. Handing over cash up front not only undermines that but gives him a PR victory.
Just my opinion but I think anyone who knows the score and understands what CARD represents and still buys a season ticket needs shooting.
I think that's an unnecessary comment and a bit insulting to a lot of people. I'm anti RD but I'm not letting him drive me away from Charlton and have bought a season ticket. some people won't understand that, but I shouldn't be criticized or shot.
You are supporting RD and everything he is trying to do.
No he's not.
Getting a bit disappointed with some people on here having a pop at certain posters who have decided to renew - despite their anti regime feelings.
If somebody wants to buy a season ticket, even after taking into account how the club is being run, then it's got feck all to do with you or I.
You are of course right. It's got nothing to do with me.
Carry on giving Duchatelet money and support. Buy his hot dogs and lager. Make it easier for him to run the club.
On the plus side the season tickets will be cheaper still when we are in league 2.
What do you care - you wont be there anyway.
Meanwhile cabbles will be supporting his team as he always has. If you seriously think £500k in ST sales to date is going to make the blindest bit of difference to our current owner, then you are sadly mistaken. It's a drop in the Ocean for him.
Without taking sides, perhaps there is a principle involved here.
I have been going since 1976, I'm off to Leeds tomorrow, I do all the weekend aways.
I will not be renewing next season and will only go to midweek homes, and non-league groundhop the weekend homes. I shall continue to go to the aways.
I am f***** off with the whole situation and I admit that I am probably 'cutting my nose to spite my face'.
I would never criticise people for renewing, but I am sure the only way to make Duchatelet sit up and take notice is if people are not attending and lining his pockets.
I agree that people shouldn't be criticised for renewing as it's the choice of the individual.
The frustrating thing is, however, that a vast majority of our supporters are anti regime. If no one renewed (impossible to control I know) I don't see RD would have any option other than to sell.
No. I think those buying season tickets should be critisised at every opportunity. We need to make Duchatelet's running of the club as difficult as is possible. Handing over cash up front not only undermines that but gives him a PR victory.
Just my opinion but I think anyone who knows the score and understands what CARD represents and still buys a season ticket needs shooting.
I think that's an unnecessary comment and a bit insulting to a lot of people. I'm anti RD but I'm not letting him drive me away from Charlton and have bought a season ticket. some people won't understand that, but I shouldn't be criticized or shot.
That's fair enough. I can't see it myself. You are supporting RD and everything he is trying to do.
I get the impression it's sometimes a bit like stamp collecting for some. " Ive had a season ticket for 22 years" not going to miss a season for any reason.
He won't get my money up front.
You've referenced it below, let's get this mob out. No need for anyone to judge anyone else for renewing or not renewing
I'll be renewing because I simply don't know how to deal with not being someone who goes every week. It's all I've done from the age of 6.
That's the thing Tom, I'm exactly the same (started a few years older). But I genuinely think stop paying / going regularly now is our best chance of achieving that.
It's going to utterly devastate me, I don't have a single other hobby away from Charlton. But after six solid months of let's face it, protests that could not have been more effective and widely praised, I think it's the only course of action now to those that are serious about change.
We'll each of us do it in our own way. Let's just get rid of this mob.
Hear Hear!
Here's the problem I see, I'm not convinced that a drop in revenue alone will make him decide to leave. If you believe the figure put forth by KM, he's putting 1m a month into the club. Even if you halve that number, a loss in ST revenue pales in comparison. He will recoup some in the summer by selling our good players and potentially anything not tied down, but the losses next year will be worse and thus far he hasn't made any public* noises about selling.
He has a lot of money, it will take many, many years before Charlton's losses are anything more than the equivalent of the change he could find in his couch. I think his plans for the club, for all his clubs, whatever they are, don't have much to do with money. Can't imagine he makes much, if anything, from STTV or Upjest, and Spanish clubs, especially in the lower divisions, have arguably as bad a record as English clubs with debt.
This is not to say don't boycott. For all of you who have not renewed you have my utmost respect for being able to abstain from something you've been doing for so long. Were I in your position I'm not sure I'd be able to do the same. For those not renewing, I get it, and while I hate the way this club is run, I support this club. Either way, I don't know that the boycotts or loss of revenue unto themselves will drive him out because frankly I have no idea what his endgame is.
*No public noises, but he did meet with Elliot last week. I know that the party line continues to be "the club isn't for sale" but it wouldn't surprise me if he's re-thinking that stance in private. The supporters email response team will, I'm sure, continue to say KM is staying and KM I imagine will continue to say the club isn't for sale because they're not good at admitting defeat, but I wouldn't be massively surprised if some group came along "with an offer too good to turn down."
Now they know people are monitoring / counting, the cynic in me says that more and more tickets will start disappearing off sale giving the illusion of higher sales to encourage people to renew...
Blocking 15,000 seats would cause heart attacks on here...
Now they know people are monitoring / counting, the cynic in me says that more and more tickets will start disappearing off sale giving the illusion of higher sales to encourage people to renew...
Blocking 15,000 seats would cause heart attacks on here...
And in St. Truiden and the SMT, I'd imagine.
It'd be rather difficult to spin that as normal fan disaffection.
I'll be renewing because I simply don't know how to deal with not being someone who goes every week. It's all I've done from the age of 6.
That's the thing Tom, I'm exactly the same (started a few years older). But I genuinely think stop paying / going regularly now is our best chance of achieving that.
It's going to utterly devastate me, I don't have a single other hobby away from Charlton. But after six solid months of let's face it, protests that could not have been more effective and widely praised, I think it's the only course of action now to those that are serious about change.
The heart wrenching thing is that I know deep down you are right. I just can't help myself - being a die hard Charlton match goer is a part of my identity. I don't have anything to replace it.
I've mentioned on here before that my Dad who has been with me every season in the same seats will not be renewing next year. The main reason I want this lot to go is because I want to go football with him again.
Feels like bit of a duty to stay in the ground and fight the regime.
I agree that people shouldn't be criticised for renewing as it's the choice of the individual.
The frustrating thing is, however, that a vast majority of our supporters are anti regime. If no one renewed (impossible to control I know) I don't see RD would have any option other than to sell.
No. I think those buying season tickets should be critisised at every opportunity. We need to make Duchatelet's running of the club as difficult as is possible. Handing over cash up front not only undermines that but gives him a PR victory.
Just my opinion but I think anyone who knows the score and understands what CARD represents and still buys a season ticket needs shooting.
I think that's an unnecessary comment and a bit insulting to a lot of people. I'm anti RD but I'm not letting him drive me away from Charlton and have bought a season ticket. some people won't understand that, but I shouldn't be criticized or shot.
I agree. Nothing less painful than being hung and quartered should be considered
I agree that people shouldn't be criticised for renewing as it's the choice of the individual.
The frustrating thing is, however, that a vast majority of our supporters are anti regime. If no one renewed (impossible to control I know) I don't see RD would have any option other than to sell.
No. I think those buying season tickets should be critisised at every opportunity. We need to make Duchatelet's running of the club as difficult as is possible. Handing over cash up front not only undermines that but gives him a PR victory.
Just my opinion but I think anyone who knows the score and understands what CARD represents and still buys a season ticket needs shooting.
I think that's an unnecessary comment and a bit insulting to a lot of people. I'm anti RD but I'm not letting him drive me away from Charlton and have bought a season ticket. some people won't understand that, but I shouldn't be criticized or shot.
You are supporting RD and everything he is trying to do.
No he's not.
Getting a bit disappointed with some people on here having a pop at certain posters who have decided to renew - despite their anti regime feelings.
If somebody wants to buy a season ticket, even after taking into account how the club is being run, then it's got feck all to do with you or I.
You are of course right. It's got nothing to do with me.
Carry on giving Duchatelet money and support. Buy his hot dogs and lager. Make it easier for him to run the club.
On the plus side the season tickets will be cheaper still when we are in league 2.
What do you care - you wont be there anyway.
Meanwhile cabbles will be supporting his team as he always has. If you seriously think £500k in ST sales to date is going to make the blindest bit of difference to our current owner, then you are sadly mistaken. It's a drop in the Ocean for him.
You forget what a tight git Duchatelet is. Duchatelet did not get rich by not worrying about the cents and pennies.
I agree that people shouldn't be criticised for renewing as it's the choice of the individual.
The frustrating thing is, however, that a vast majority of our supporters are anti regime. If no one renewed (impossible to control I know) I don't see RD would have any option other than to sell.
No. I think those buying season tickets should be critisised at every opportunity. We need to make Duchatelet's running of the club as difficult as is possible. Handing over cash up front not only undermines that but gives him a PR victory.
Just my opinion but I think anyone who knows the score and understands what CARD represents and still buys a season ticket needs shooting.
I think that's an unnecessary comment and a bit insulting to a lot of people. I'm anti RD but I'm not letting him drive me away from Charlton and have bought a season ticket. some people won't understand that, but I shouldn't be criticized or shot.
You are supporting RD and everything he is trying to do.
No he's not.
Getting a bit disappointed with some people on here having a pop at certain posters who have decided to renew - despite their anti regime feelings.
If somebody wants to buy a season ticket, even after taking into account how the club is being run, then it's got feck all to do with you or I.
You are of course right. It's got nothing to do with me.
Carry on giving Duchatelet money and support. Buy his hot dogs and lager. Make it easier for him to run the club.
On the plus side the season tickets will be cheaper still when we are in league 2.
What do you care - you wont be there anyway.
Meanwhile cabbles will be supporting his team as he always has. If you seriously think £500k in ST sales to date is going to make the blindest bit of difference to our current owner, then you are sadly mistaken. It's a drop in the Ocean for him.
You forget what a tight git Duchatelet is. Duchatelet did not get rich by not worrying about the cents and pennies.
And I won't stop supporting my team because of some Belgian megalomaniac.
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That would be like me boycotting my local church!
Another policy reverse.
Sums it up for me perfectly!
I get the impression it's sometimes a bit like stamp collecting for some. " Ive had a season ticket for 22 years" not going to miss a season for any reason.
He won't get my money up front.
Getting a bit disappointed with some people on here having a pop at certain posters who have decided to renew - despite their anti regime feelings.
If somebody wants to buy a season ticket, even after taking into account how the club is being run, then it's got feck all to do with you or I.
;-)
Carry on giving Duchatelet money and support. Buy his hot dogs and lager. Make it easier for him to run the club.
On the plus side the season tickets will be cheaper still when we are in league 2.
Meanwhile cabbles will be supporting his team as he always has. If you seriously think £500k in ST sales to date is going to make the blindest bit of difference to our current owner, then you are sadly mistaken. It's a drop in the Ocean for him.
That's if I do eventually renew.
I have been going since 1976, I'm off to Leeds tomorrow, I do all the weekend aways.
I will not be renewing next season and will only go to midweek homes, and non-league groundhop the weekend homes. I shall continue to go to the aways.
I am f***** off with the whole situation and I admit that I am probably 'cutting my nose to spite my face'.
I would never criticise people for renewing, but I am sure the only way to make Duchatelet sit up and take notice is if people are not attending and lining his pockets.
At the moment we are all f*****.
I will however make them wait until the very last minute for my money, and if it means losing my seat then so be it
It's going to utterly devastate me, I don't have a single other hobby away from Charlton. But after six solid months of let's face it, protests that could not have been more effective and widely praised, I think it's the only course of action now to those that are serious about change.
Here's the problem I see, I'm not convinced that a drop in revenue alone will make him decide to leave. If you believe the figure put forth by KM, he's putting 1m a month into the club. Even if you halve that number, a loss in ST revenue pales in comparison. He will recoup some in the summer by selling our good players and potentially anything not tied down, but the losses next year will be worse and thus far he hasn't made any public* noises about selling.
He has a lot of money, it will take many, many years before Charlton's losses are anything more than the equivalent of the change he could find in his couch. I think his plans for the club, for all his clubs, whatever they are, don't have much to do with money. Can't imagine he makes much, if anything, from STTV or Upjest, and Spanish clubs, especially in the lower divisions, have arguably as bad a record as English clubs with debt.
This is not to say don't boycott. For all of you who have not renewed you have my utmost respect for being able to abstain from something you've been doing for so long. Were I in your position I'm not sure I'd be able to do the same. For those not renewing, I get it, and while I hate the way this club is run, I support this club. Either way, I don't know that the boycotts or loss of revenue unto themselves will drive him out because frankly I have no idea what his endgame is.
*No public noises, but he did meet with Elliot last week. I know that the party line continues to be "the club isn't for sale" but it wouldn't surprise me if he's re-thinking that stance in private. The supporters email response team will, I'm sure, continue to say KM is staying and KM I imagine will continue to say the club isn't for sale because they're not good at admitting defeat, but I wouldn't be massively surprised if some group came along "with an offer too good to turn down."
It'd be rather difficult to spin that as normal fan disaffection.
I've mentioned on here before that my Dad who has been with me every season in the same seats will not be renewing next year. The main reason I want this lot to go is because I want to go football with him again.
Feels like bit of a duty to stay in the ground and fight the regime.
So angry.