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Charlton takeover with ground at Peninsular or no takeover?
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When Pompey were flying in the Prem some 10 years ago, they wanted to build a stadium next to Port Solent which jutted out into the Harbour.bobmunro said:
How about a floating stadium? (firmly anchored to the south side of course).sam3110 said:If he wants to move us he'll have to move quickly, most of the Peninsula has been sold off and ready for development already
https://www.designbuild-network.com/projects/portsmouthstadium/
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Lots.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Dont think there is enough land left to build a stadium there.0 -
The_President said:
When Pompey were flying in the Prem some 10 years ago, they wanted to build a stadium next to Port Solent which jutted out into the Harbour.bobmunro said:
How about a floating stadium? (firmly anchored to the south side of course).sam3110 said:If he wants to move us he'll have to move quickly, most of the Peninsula has been sold off and ready for development already
https://www.designbuild-network.com/projects/portsmouthstadium/Problem is the Thames at Greenwich isn't that wide, certainly not as wide as the Solent!!A half on half reclaimed could work. I'll get my architects on to it.0 -
Sure Richard Cawley bombed this idea out already by saying they are not looking to move us2
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Where? Most of it appears to have been built on or is due to be built on. Curious where you expect it to be?The_President said:
Lots.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Dont think there is enough land left to build a stadium there.2 -
For example, the current Golf driving range is designated as a temporary structure.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Where? Most of it appears to have been built on or is due to be built on. Curious where you expect it to be?The_President said:
Lots.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Dont think there is enough land left to build a stadium there.
There are other suitable areas around, mostly on west side.0 -
I strongly suggest no investment company is going to invest in a new stadium as a vanity project. In other words while there may well be a 101 feasibility studies the reality is such an initiative would only progress where there was a financial imperative to do so.
The likelihood of the club independently generating such a financial imperative is a considerable way down any feasible growth path. There will likely be sufficient capacity within the geographical confines of The Valley to satisfy any short or medium term growth targets.
Whether such a financial imperative could be generated by factors outside of the club via private, Local, London or National Authority urban regeneration initiatives is clearly unknown but each would likely take a decade in the planning and implementation all before you consider any such programme would likely be fraught with considerable political and financial challenges.
Any sane business will always be open to considering change but I suggest there is many a journey to travel before any prospect of relocation need be a concern or indeed an ambition.
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@Grapevine49 is on target as usual. They’re not going to build a stadium just to build a stadium. Now, if they get to the point where we could sell 50k tickets for every game, they’d have to consider it, but we’re a long way from there.More worrying, in my opinion, is that this thread has been resurrected for over an hour and not one fish pun.0
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I live on the Peninsula so I have some knowledge of this! As others have said, there is barely any unallocated land left.
- The golf driving range and Magazine venue are only intended to be there until 2030 – these are the prime pieces of land on the Peninsula and have been allocated for the tallest and most expensive housing towers (to be developed by Knight Dragon)
- Morden Wharf has new plans for dense housing so that area is now out of the question
- The central and eastern parts of the Peninsula are all owned by Knight Dragon and allocated for housing
The only remaining area of the Peninsula that could realistically host a large new stadium is the protected industrial land on the west of the Peninsula, just south of the golf range. This is the Victoria Deep Water Terminal and has plans for further industrial development. It would require RB Greenwich to reallocate this land to sports/entertainment use, which I suppose isn't out of the question but seems unlikely.
At a big stretch, there's also the site of the gasometer, which is sadly in the process of being demolished. The footprint of this site is roughly the same as The Valley, so it would be a very tight squeeze to fit a larger stadium there. Also the construction of the Silvertown Tunnel on part of this site would likely make access almost impossible. I just can't see it.
If the new owners really wanted to build a new stadium, I actually think Charlton Riverside would be a much better and more realistic option. It would also keep the club tied to its roots.
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Coming on here with some knowledge & knowing what you're talking about. Whatever next ?12
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Getting 15 chips in a portion is more of a priority5
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If this is what the takeover brings then I'd rather be without it. Why do you insist on this idea so much?The_President said:So, the takeover raises this question again.
If the guy taking us over is seriously minted and wants top level football, then he is likely gonna want to play in a stadium suitable for 50/60k you would think.
The Peninsular is able to provide 1) a newer,younger fanbase 2) Ability for bigger corporate sponsorship from Canary Wharf 3) Much better transport facilities.3 -
Don’t take the piss.ShootersHillGuru said:Getting 15 chips in a portion is more of a priority
The most pressing issue is the mascot situation.4 -
As mentioned above, *every* bit of land on the Peninsula and has a plan for it. The gasholder site is earmarked for housing by the council; the Silvertown Tunnel will take a chunk of it too (roughly where the older, bigger gasholder used to be).
If you were being mischievious, you could suggest a move across Woolwich Road to the riverside, but developers and the council have bought up most of that now, with five major housing developments planned.2 -
Wasn't there plans already drawn up to increase the ground back in our Premierships years ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/content/articles/2008/03/06/greenwich_cafc_feature.shtml
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I can't see any available land for a stadium on the Peninsula unless some of the existing plans are cancelled. There's nothing on the east side and most of the west side has been allocated.InspectorSands said:As mentioned above, *every* bit of land on the Peninsula and has a plan for it. The gasholder site is earmarked for housing by the council; the Silvertown Tunnel will take a chunk of it too (roughly where the older, bigger gasholder used to be).
If you were being mischievious, you could suggest a move across Woolwich Road to the riverside, but developers and the council have bought up most of that now, with five major housing developments planned.
We can expand our existing stadium and I can't see the need for much more capacity.1 -
Not sure what they would do with The Valley because, as has been said before, access would be a nightmare, both during construction, then once there's an extra 400 / 500 / maybe far more people living there
Edit *unless they could possibly stick some sort of underpass at Ransom Walk, but I still don't think the rest of the infrastructure could cope0 - Sponsored links:
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absolutely no need to move to the peninsula - the valley and its character is a massive plus, never understood why this topic is brought up - you spend hundreds of millions on a new stadium when you have to, not through choice - we don't have to and never will7
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The game today is postponed because the anchorage has broken and the stadium is floating out in the Thames Estuary causing a hazard to shipping.bobmunro said:
How about a floating stadium? (firmly anchored to the south side of course).sam3110 said:If he wants to move us he'll have to move quickly, most of the Peninsula has been sold off and ready for development already3 -
They don't even need the extra capacity that much, given the amount of TV money. Remind me of Bournemouth's capacity again.
I think there would be a case for an extension which increases "prawn sandwich" capacity. Personally I would love to see an extension where in the open ends at the south are filled in.1 -
The dream
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Thank God we've got the Thames Barrier.iaitch said:
The game today is postponed because the anchorage has broken and the stadium is floating out in the Thames Estuary causing a hazard to shipping.bobmunro said:
How about a floating stadium? (firmly anchored to the south side of course).sam3110 said:If he wants to move us he'll have to move quickly, most of the Peninsula has been sold off and ready for development already
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When we win the champions league we could knock the west stand down and build it twice as big - with an underground car park !!!0
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Message to original poster - Why try to stir things up when there is no evidence to do so?4
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This thread is from 2016MuttleyCAFC said:Message to original poster - Why try to stir things up when there is no evidence to do so?5 -
Some people getting far too ahead of themselves2
