Football fans at cafc are changing though, thats the biggest thing for me, I never cared what other clubs did, I found that as a fan base we would bitch moan argue on the coaches and trains after the game amongst ourselves but we spent the time during the game supporting, we had some terrible players over the years and there would be groans and moans when anotuer chance went begging or we conceded a comical keystone cop goal, but we never put our own through that maybe I was deaf to it, but I doubt that as I always was situated in the noisest sections of our support,
Oh, I dunno. I think we have always had our moments and scapegoats. I have an enduring memory of the whole covered end, if not most of the ground, singing "We all agree, Peter Shaw is a w**ker". If I remember correctly, the manager labelled us all as imbeciles. As for Peter Shaw - he stuck at it and to my surprise he did eventually win most of the fans over. I kind of learned what was meant by the term character from Peter Shaw.
Told ya, thank you s-a-b-o-n and I know this is going to grate with some but don't you just hate it when some old fart like me says 'In my day.................'
The Peter Shaw is a Winker, is still one of the most disgusting things i've heard from CAFC people at the valley against one of their own. It just confirmed that when people are in a crowd most of them are sheep. That's coming from someone who will be in the middle of the chants in away games, but i'm selective in chants i join in with. I love the humourous, more than the outwardly vile chants or songs.
It always said more about the chanter than the recipient.
Typical thread of the bully boys who each probably haven't the talent to be a professional footballer.
SOCIAL MEDIA IS FULL OF TROLLS
Why not the worst goalkeeper, the worst winger, the worst striker....NO ...once again picking out a subject to get a negative reaction of one player.
The truth is that if we were in decent form this thread would hardly get a mention
At this moment in time these fans who continually spit out their bile are a negative as much as the regime
By all means everyone can criticise and make obsevations on players as we all have been doing it for years but really ask yourselves why has Fox been more or less a constant in the team with no regular partners at either left centre half and left midfield. He is not as bad as others make out and whilst he has had some poor showings some on here will never give him any credit.
I do think it's worth pointing out that neither of our full backs gets any protection whatsoever from our "wide" midfielders. Solly probably copes better because he has more nous and experience and the inner belief of a 2 time POTY, and is a better player, whereas Fox is more limited, has never really won over the fans and is becoming worn down trying to prove himself. Bergdych seemed to spend a lot of time tucked in yesterday, leaving Fox cruelly exposed with no options. He is probably better than he currently appears, but I don't think we will ever find out now, I fear he has been judged and found wanting.
The kids tries and puts it all in and that's all he can do I don't think he has it and I did think there was a player in Simon Francis but Fox's treatment was disgraceful on Saturday But I can understand the pure frustration of how pathetic a club we have become when pony players are basically guaranteed regulars and unfortunately he will be number one target because he is one of the worst out there regularly I'm a mere pup been going since 1976/7 season and we only had one season in divison 3(since I began watching) up until recently and soon we will be having our 4th in less than ten and that coming so soon after feasting at the top table is probably why a lot of our fans are going officer dibble with some of our players , doesn't make it right but it's easy to say don't berate slag em off when you are not actually there watching the tenth fuck up of a pass in 15 attempts by the same limited player
I'm sorry for Fox. As some have said, he's been hung out to dry by incompetent managers and a bonkers strategy that will ruin better players than Morgan. All of that though can't betray the fact that he is simply not up to championship football. He should be spared the ordeal and sent out to somewhere at his level. For me that's dartford but I'm prepared to accept that I may be being a little unkind.
PS. The answer to the original question is Seabourne. Hilarious performance.
These days full-backs seemed to be judged more on whether they can bomb forward than whether they can defend. Fox defended ok on Saturday (a couple of pretty good clearances for corners being an example) but is very limited going forward. In a team that struggles at home for penetration, Fox's lack of forward drive is always going to be highlighted.
All of the "poor" left-backs we've mentioned in the thread, were probably not too bad defensively but lacked in the attacking sense.
I think most football fans tend to forgive a full-back for defensive frailties if a) they bomb forward a lot and b) their team is winning!
I wonder if Rod Fanni can play left-back? French international....you would think he might be able to do it.
I too feel for Fox I have often wondered given the choice between a full back who can defend but is not great going forward or the opposite i.e. good going forward but not a great defender I would take the former all day long. However the main problem I see with Fox is lack of pace he gets done too easily so stands too far off and gives the attacker too much room. As for going forward, again the lack of pace is the issue so his delivery is really a bit hit and miss. This is a player who is getting close to zero confidence and it shows.
As for the worst I would say there have been a few but Traore was defintely one of them
Morgan fox is good/decent in the air. Good engine but lacks speed. Saw him play CB on a couple of occasions in U21's and thought that might be his best position. We have a team of CB again so not sure if he will get in anytime soon.
Can someone in the know tell me why our full backs struggle to get tight to the wide players compared to the opposition full back and mid field, when we try to go wide. Rhoys Wiggins said under Peeters they were told(the full backs) to keep quite tight to the CB's; Why ?
This hasn't changed since; the amount of times that Solly or fox get dragged into the middle and any decent playmaker can switch the play to the other side were the oppo's have oceans of room for their cross.
Can Tutt-Tutt please explain that to me, or anyone else.
I have been studying tactics since i was knee high to a grasshopper but can't work this one out ?
I remember us doing a good job on a wide man when Antonio (now West Ham) was at Forest last season, we struggled 1st half when Harriott and Wilson let him cut in on his right foot from the left wing and he scored a cracker. so in the 2nd half, Gomez and Bulot marked him tight and the game swang in our favour with the help of Tony Watt.
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That's coming from someone who will be in the middle of the chants in away games, but i'm selective in chants i join in with.
I love the humourous, more than the outwardly vile chants or songs.
It always said more about the chanter than the recipient.
SOCIAL MEDIA IS FULL OF TROLLS
Why not the worst goalkeeper, the worst winger, the worst striker....NO ...once again picking out a subject to get a negative reaction of one player.
The truth is that if we were in decent form this thread would hardly get a mention
At this moment in time these fans who continually spit out their bile are a negative as much as the regime
By all means everyone can criticise and make obsevations on players as we all have been doing it for years but really ask yourselves why has Fox been more or less a constant in the team with no regular partners at either left centre half and left midfield. He is not as bad as others make out and whilst he has had some poor showings some on here will never give him any credit.
Wrong !
Solly probably copes better because he has more nous and experience and the inner belief of a 2 time POTY, and is a better player, whereas Fox is more limited, has never really won over the fans and is becoming worn down trying to prove himself.
Bergdych seemed to spend a lot of time tucked in yesterday, leaving Fox cruelly exposed with no options.
He is probably better than he currently appears, but I don't think we will ever find out now, I fear he has been judged and found wanting.
For that matter, didn't Carl Jenkinson make his debut for us at LB?
You also missed out good old Anthony Barness, who was good enough to play in the PL for both Chelsea, Bolton and ourselves.
Though my abiding memory of Barney was his spectacular lobbed own goal against Grimsby at Upton Park in circa 1991.
And yes, that was a classic! Around the 1:50 mark
Edit: And one on the bench
I don't think he has it and I did think there was a player in Simon Francis but Fox's treatment was disgraceful on Saturday
But I can understand the pure frustration of how pathetic a club we have become when pony players are basically guaranteed regulars and unfortunately he will be number one target because he is one of the worst out there regularly
I'm a mere pup been going since 1976/7 season and we only had one season in divison 3(since I began watching) up until recently and soon we will be having our 4th in less than ten and that coming so soon after feasting at the top table is probably why a lot of our fans are going officer dibble with some of our players , doesn't make it right but it's easy to say don't berate slag em off when you are not actually there watching the tenth fuck up of a pass in 15 attempts by the same limited player
PS. The answer to the original question is Seabourne. Hilarious performance.
All of the "poor" left-backs we've mentioned in the thread, were probably not too bad defensively but lacked in the attacking sense.
I think most football fans tend to forgive a full-back for defensive frailties if a) they bomb forward a lot and b) their team is winning!
I wonder if Rod Fanni can play left-back? French international....you would think he might be able to do it.
As for the worst I would say there have been a few but Traore was defintely one of them
Good engine but lacks speed.
Saw him play CB on a couple of occasions in U21's and thought that might be his best position.
We have a team of CB again so not sure if he will get in anytime soon.
Can someone in the know tell me why our full backs struggle to get tight to the wide players compared to the opposition full back and mid field, when we try to go wide.
Rhoys Wiggins said under Peeters they were told(the full backs)
to keep quite tight to the CB's; Why ?
This hasn't changed since; the amount of times that Solly or fox get dragged into the middle and any decent playmaker can switch the play to the other side were the oppo's have oceans of room for their cross.
Can Tutt-Tutt please explain that to me, or anyone else.
I have been studying tactics since i was knee high to a grasshopper but can't work this one out ?
I remember us doing a good job on a wide man when Antonio (now West Ham) was at Forest last season, we struggled 1st half when Harriott and Wilson let him cut in on his right foot from the left wing and he scored a cracker. so in the 2nd half, Gomez and Bulot marked him tight and the game swang in our favour with the help of Tony Watt.