Really as bad as many make out!!
DOWN SIDE. Communication and management has been poor.
It was not that long ago. Daily rumours of moving away from the valley. Pitch was unplayable. No money spent on players. Plus yes, poor communication with supporters.
I would suggest the club is in a far healthier state than previous years, better than many other clubs in the leagues.
Life is not perfect, let's hope that communicate and management will be improved under the present owners who are at least investing in OUR CLUB.
I know this goes in the face of many, but I would suggest although not perfect, not everything is negative at our club. COYReds!
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hi katrienRoytheBoy said:PLUS SIDE. Not moving away from the Valley. Money spent on the pitch. Money spent on training ground. Money spent on players in all categories, 1st, 2nd and junior teams. Cheapest tickets in the league.
DOWN SIDE. Communication and management has been poor.
It was not that long ago. Daily rumours of moving away from the valley. Pitch was unplayable. No money spent on players. Plus yes, poor communication with supporters.
I would suggest the club is in a far healthier state than previous years, better than many other clubs in the leagues.
Life is not perfect, let's hope that communicate and management will be improved under the present owners who are at least investing in OUR CLUB.
I know this goes in the face of many, but I would suggest although not perfect, not everything is negative at our club. COYReds!43 -
Yes - they are that bad.
Has a brick been laid at the training ground ?
How was the pitch funded ?
Spending money on players is only a good thing if they're better than what you've got. Is the squad better now than two years ago ?
We might have cheap tickets but nobody is buying them - is that a good thing ?
Debts seem to be covered by loans to the owners company.
The status of this football club is in more jeopardy now than it ever has been in pretty much the whole of my life.
Things aren't as bad as they're being made out, they're worse.58 -
Yes hello Katrien/Tony/Mandy etc. Must try better.3
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Roland, how kind of you to join us. You are of course correct - it's nothing like as bad as some on here are making out. If you can just upsize the chip portions a bit, perhaps 17 instead of the current 14, I think all of this protest nonsense will drift away in no time.9
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COYReds ...actually it's just COYR ...surely you'd know that?
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Thank you for your insight. Amazing no one else has thought of this, we could have avoided all these unjustified protests.19
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The CLUB might be in a half decent state in terms of having a nice pitch etc, but nobody goes to The Valley to admire the bloody facilities.RoytheBoy said:PLUS SIDE. Not moving away from the Valley. Money spent on the pitch. Money spent on training ground. Money spent on players in all categories, 1st, 2nd and junior teams. Cheapest tickets in the league.
DOWN SIDE. Communication and management has been poor.
It was not that long ago. Daily rumours of moving away from the valley. Pitch was unplayable. No money spent on players. Plus yes, poor communication with supporters.
I would suggest the club is in a far healthier state than previous years, better than many other clubs in the leagues.
Life is not perfect, let's hope that communicate and management will be improved under the present owners who are at least investing in OUR CLUB.
I know this goes in the face of many, but I would suggest although not perfect, not everything is negative at our club. COYReds!
On the pitch has been a total disaster. I notice you have completely neglected to mention the millions wasted on sub-par players, the points wasted on sub-par managers and the contempt in which the hierarchy at Charlton hold their fans.
Communication isn't everything. I'd rather they didn't speak to us at all but fixed all the glaring issues, than watch them completely mismanage things and lie to us while they are doing it.15 -
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No, not everything is negative although they is a hell of a lot that is and that is why many people (98% in the last survey) have some or great concerns.RoytheBoy said:PLUS SIDE. Not moving away from the Valley. Staying at our own ground isn't a plus, it's the status quo. And how about flats in the Jimmy Stand idea?
Money spent on the pitch. As Johnny Jackson said having a decent pitch is a minimum requirement
Money spent on training ground. Money loaned to the club with interest but this is a good thing even if again having a decent training ground is a minimum requirement not a like to have extra. A cat A academy will be a good thing for the club and is to be applauded
Money spent on players in all categories, 1st, 2nd and junior teams. Debatable. Figure given is £9m but that includes loan fees. Much of the spending has been offset by sales (£3.5M to £5.5m for Gomez alone plus Wiggans, Stephens, Yann and others. Plus how much has gone to Roland via his other clubs Loan fees for Bulot, Thuram and Buyens, transfer fees for Watt, Reza, Nego, Tuchedean. It could be he has spent very little, if anything, NET on players and many of those signings have been very poorly business. Polish Pete, le Point, Thuram, Nego, Tuchedean, etc etc. We don't have a 2nd team by the way
Cheapest tickets in the league. Only a small couple of blocks which cause problems as people buy there and then move. If it was the lower north yes it might make sense. And despite the low prices gates are down, actual attendances are down.
DOWN SIDE. Communication and management has been poor. More than poor. Attrocious, insulting, contradictory and bad.
You haven't mentioned the revolving door of managerial changes or the constant mistakes with player purchases let along the frequent PR disasters
It was not that long ago. Daily rumours of moving away from the valley. As you say "rumours" which never had any foundation
Pitch was unplayable. No money spent on players. Plus yes, poor communication with supporters.
I would suggest the club is in a far healthier state than previous years, Better than under the Spivs perhaps but that is setting the bar very very low. This is the ownership now so we address the problems they are creating here and now rather than saying "at least they're not as bad as the last lot"
better than many other clubs in the leagues. Such as? Other than Bolton who is worse off in terms of position or governance that us in our division?
Life is not perfect, let's hope that communicate and management will be improved under the present owners who are at least investing in OUR CLUB. Not "our" club. Katrien made that very clear that it wasn't "our" club. In their minds it is Roland's club and we're just customers who are wierd for thinking we having any ownership
I know this goes in the face of many, but I would suggest although not perfect, not everything is negative at our club. COYReds!
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Surely you mean one of the 98% who are happy?Isawsummersplay said:RoytheBoy - one of the 2%
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Should change his name to RoythePloy because clearly this is some staff member who is trying to turn the tide of ill will. I don't think it's going to work.Isawsummersplay said:RoytheBoy - one of the 2%
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Nope. As Henry Irving said, 98% of the most recent survey had concerns about the way Duchatalet etc are running the club. In my book, that makes just 2% who are happy - one of which includes RoytheBoy.0
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Roy joined this site in 2011.
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The pitch was paid for by the FA Cup run under Powell who he then promptly sacked.0
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I would urge everyone to read this " lifers" six posts ( in five years!) and then draw a conclusion re who pays his wages.
Very similar emphasis on certain points " OUR CLUB" " YOUR CLUB" and always incongruously upbeat.
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Many years ago a very good friend of mine (who is no longer with us) went with me to see an away game at Cardiff. My only memory is that we created a shock and won 1-4. Anyway, beforehand we managed to blag our way into the Cardiff club bar within the ground. As we entered my mate cried ' Come on you reds '. The entire room of taffs ,in all their blue and white splendour , turned and stared at the two of us in silence. That moment will stay with me forever. I suspect once this thread was started it was somewhat similar.8
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Goes to show Roland considered buying us for a while thenCurb_It said:Roy joined this site in 2011.
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Is his name Vincent by any chance?masicat said:Many years ago a very good friend of mine (who is no longer with us) went with me to see an away game at Cardiff. My only memory is that we created a shock and won 1-4. Anyway, beforehand we managed to blag our way into the Cardiff club bar within the ground. As we entered my mate cried ' Come on you reds '. The entire room of taffs ,in all their blue and white splendour , turned and stared at the two of us in silence. That moment will stay with me forever. I suspect once this thread was started it was somewhat similar.
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I have been at all the protests and have withdrawn from Valley Gold and no longer spend money at the valley but for me it has never been about RD selling the club, although if he does then that's fine. My protest has been about making the owner and CEO aware that they need to change. Time will tell but I suspect that we have made them sit up and think.
Clearly the managerial appointments have been the key issue. Had Luzon kept his early season run going, I doubt we would be at this point of unrest.
I must say that in all my time coming to the Valley (40 years) I've never cared about the owners, it's always been about the manager and now is no different.
Mostly, I agree with your points and without doubt, social media has fanned the flames of this situation. It's created a sort of mass-hysteria and I feel it's time for me to take a step back and give Riga and the team a chance. (I didn't really agree with his appointment but so far so good)
Most of all, I want us to stay up, but I fear that an intensification of the anti-board movement may be self-defeating in that respect. I feel this was at least partly responsible for the black week starting with the Colchester away game.
If the situation deteriorates I will consider not renewing our families 5 season tickets, voting with me feet so to speak but it will be with a heavy heart.
But, for the first time in months I am optimistic and so this Saturday, my amazon purchased black and white scarf will stay at home and if we win I suspect more scarfs will be left at home the following week.
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I think the latter is correct. Either way, he didn't pay for it out of the goodness of his heart, and this cost would have been factored in to the negotiations to buy the club - if you're buying a house and the survey tells you the roof is leaking, you negotiate the purchase price down to reflect the potential extra expenditure to get the roof fixed, no different when buying a football club.se9addick said:
I thought it was included in the purchase price negotiated for the club.Ketman said:The pitch was paid for by the FA Cup run under Powell who he then promptly sacked.
It infuriates me when people suggest that the new pitch was an act of generosity - it was an absolute necessity that any buyer would have been required to pay for. If it hadn't been replaced, we would now be bottom of the table with 5 games in hand, paying regular fines to the Football League for not being able to provide a playable pitch all winter.6 -
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Is his name Vincent by any chance?masicat said:Many years ago a very good friend of mine (who is no longer with us) went with me to see an away game at Cardiff. My only memory is that we created a shock and won 1-4. Anyway, beforehand we managed to blag our way into the Cardiff club bar within the ground. As we entered my mate cried ' Come on you reds '. The entire room of taffs ,in all their blue and white splendour , turned and stared at the two of us in silence. That moment will stay with me forever. I suspect once this thread was started it was somewhat similar.
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Roy you seem to have only posted 6 Comments since you joined in November 2011 but have started 5 Discussions (with only one of your comments not being the first post in one of your own discussions).
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its funny Roy as you highlighted in one of your rare outings during those years how, err, things really aren't as bad as people make out !!RoytheBoy said:
It was not that long ago. Daily rumours of moving away from the valley. Pitch was unplayable. No money spent on players. Plus yes, poor communication with supporters.
I would suggest the club is in a far healthier state than previous years
http://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/comment/1256618/#Comment_1256618
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Owned as I believe the young people sayAFKABartram said:
its funny Roy as you highlighted in one of your rare outings during those years how, err, things really aren't as bad as people make out !!RoytheBoy said:
It was not that long ago. Daily rumours of moving away from the valley. Pitch was unplayable. No money spent on players. Plus yes, poor communication with supporters.
I would suggest the club is in a far healthier state than previous years
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Jeez...one win and suddenly things are looking optimistic !!James46 said:I have been at all the protests and have withdrawn from Valley Gold and no longer spend money at the valley but for me it has never been about RD selling the club, although if he does then that's fine. My protest has been about making the owner and CEO aware that they need to change. Time will tell but I suspect that we have made them sit up and think.
Clearly the managerial appointments have been the key issue. Had Luzon kept his early season run going, I doubt we would be at this point of unrest.
I must say that in all my time coming to the Valley (40 years) I've never cared about the owners, it's always been about the manager and now is no different.
Mostly, I agree with your points and without doubt, social media has fanned the flames of this situation. It's created a sort of mass-hysteria and I feel it's time for me to take a step back and give Riga and the team a chance. (I didn't really agree with his appointment but so far so good)
Most of all, I want us to stay up, but I fear that an intensification of the anti-board movement may be self-defeating in that respect. I feel this was at least partly responsible for the black week starting with the Colchester away game.
If the situation deteriorates I will consider not renewing our families 5 season tickets, voting with me feet so to speak but it will be with a heavy heart.
But, for the first time in months I am optimistic and so this Saturday, my amazon purchased black and white scarf will stay at home and if we win I suspect more scarfs will be left at home the following week.16 -
If RoytheBoy ignores all the issues it's up to him.AFKABartram said:
its funny Roy as you highlighted in one of your rare outings during those years how, err, things really aren't as bad as people make out !!RoytheBoy said:
It was not that long ago. Daily rumours of moving away from the valley. Pitch was unplayable. No money spent on players. Plus yes, poor communication with supporters.
I would suggest the club is in a far healthier state than previous years
http://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/comment/1256618/#Comment_1256618
He did last time and was wrong.0
