Contemporaries of Alan Curbishley such as Sam Allardyce and Mick McCarthy are still doing the business. If we are going to have yet another change of manager then why not. You think that Malky MacKay would do better do you or maybe the vastly experienced JFH? Dowie had a record like JFH before he came here and that went great didn't it!
And what makes you think these idiots are going to change their recruitment strategy?
We have to hope that they will learn from their mistakes. Yes, another owner may come along - but then another owner may not.
They have not learnt after all this time.
A new owner will come along, that is a given but is a case of when.
Sure, Daryl Murphy back amongst the goals, Freddy Sears showed good movement. The weather's been awful all week but at least didn't rain today. I'm sure there must be more.
The positives were Lookman and THD were good and won't be out of place in the championship, and we created 4 good chances in the last 10 minutes when we have normally given up. EG, Brentford,Preston, Middlesbrough to name just 3.
Solly was assaulted for the first goal, and the person who said he put in a weak challenge should go to spec savers.
I don't want a depressed coach, the fact that he shouldn't have got the job in the first place has already been covered. The fact the guy with the most assists and the focal point of our attacks had a mare, and should have gone off maybe 10 minutes before if not at HT, was the biggest negative because along With JJ injury and Bauer carrying an injury for 70 minutes meant we couldn't function as a unit.
CF took the job, on i would imagine, is the lowest paid head coach in the championship so along with a bottom six budget, we are handicapped every match. What seasoned British coach would even bother to turn up for an interview ? Even if they were asked, when they found out the wage ?
Sure, Daryl Murphy back amongst the goals, Freddy Sears showed good movement. The weather's been awful all week but at least didn't rain today. I'm sure there must be more.
The positives were Lookman and THD were good and won't be out of place in the championship, and we created 4 good chances in the last 10 minutes when we have normally given up. EG, Brentford,Preston, Middlesbrough to name just 3.
Solly was assaulted for the first goal, and the person who said he put in a weak challenge should go to spec savers.
I don't want a depressed coach, the fact that he shouldn't have got the job in the first place has already been covered. The fact the guy with the most assists and the focal point of our attacks had a mare, and should have gone off maybe 10 minutes before if not at HT, was the biggest negative because along With JJ injury and Bauer carrying an injury for 70 minutes meant we couldn't function as a unit.
CF took the job, on i would imagine, is the lowest paid head coach in the championship so along with a bottom six budget, we are handicapped every match. What seasoned British coach would even bother to turn up for an interview ? Even if they were asked, when they found out the wage ?
Do you have any idea what we have been paying these guys over the past couple of years?
No, that is fair enough, but I am genuinely curious if you had any idea.
I work on the basis that bringing in players/managers to another country cannot be cheap.
we always come back to people already on a retainer, whether doing scouting for one of his clubs, or mowing his Lawn ? (i don't think that's a Euphemism) Riga,Peeters, Luzon and Fraeye.
If they weren't the cheapest option, why did they get the job ?
No, that is fair enough, but I am genuinely curious if you had any idea.
I work on the basis that bringing in players/managers to another country cannot be cheap.
we always come back to people already on a retainer, whether doing scouting for one of his clubs, or mowing his Lawn ? (i don't think that's a Euphemism) Riga,Peeters, Riga and Fraeye.
If they weren't the cheapest option, why did they get the job ?
I agree with you 100% I am merely curious to their salaries, am assuming they would have been on about 5K a week BUT with Fraeye I cannot see he would be anywhere near that.
No, that is fair enough, but I am genuinely curious if you had any idea.
I work on the basis that bringing in players/managers to another country cannot be cheap.
we always come back to people already on a retainer, whether doing scouting for one of his clubs, or mowing his Lawn ? (i don't think that's a Euphemism) Riga,Peeters, Riga and Fraeye.
If they weren't the cheapest option, why did they get the job ?
I agree with you 100% I am merely curious to their salaries, am assuming they would have been on about 5K a week BUT with Fraeye I cannot see he would be anywhere near that.
I liked Riga so much i named him twice !
I have now amended to Luzon.
I agree with you that Fraeye would be on the least pro rata, as Riga was only given a 3 month contract and maybe a bonus for keeping us up.
No, that is fair enough, but I am genuinely curious if you had any idea.
I work on the basis that bringing in players/managers to another country cannot be cheap.
we always come back to people already on a retainer, whether doing scouting for one of his clubs, or mowing his Lawn ? (i don't think that's a Euphemism) Riga,Peeters, Riga and Fraeye.
If they weren't the cheapest option, why did they get the job ?
I agree with you 100% I am merely curious to their salaries, am assuming they would have been on about 5K a week BUT with Fraeye I cannot see he would be anywhere near that.
I liked Riga so much i named him twice !
I have now amended to Luzon.
I agree with you that Fraeye would be on the least pro rata, as Riga was only given a 3 month contract and maybe a bonus for keeping us up.
Riga was definitely on a bonus for keeping us up. Meire told me that on the train back from Blackburn last season.
No, that is fair enough, but I am genuinely curious if you had any idea.
I work on the basis that bringing in players/managers to another country cannot be cheap.
we always come back to people already on a retainer, whether doing scouting for one of his clubs, or mowing his Lawn ? (i don't think that's a Euphemism) Riga,Peeters, Riga and Fraeye.
If they weren't the cheapest option, why did they get the job ?
I agree with you 100% I am merely curious to their salaries, am assuming they would have been on about 5K a week BUT with Fraeye I cannot see he would be anywhere near that.
I liked Riga so much i named him twice !
I have now amended to Luzon.
I agree with you that Fraeye would be on the least pro rata, as Riga was only given a 3 month contract and maybe a bonus for keeping us up.
Riga was definitely on a bonus for keeping us up. Meire told me that on the train back from Blackburn last season.
Just watched the Fraeye post match interview. The man is clearly stressed and cheesed off, but he also came across to me like a man unsupported and close to despair. Similar to Katrien at the meeting, he has a mental box ticking list to trundle out as in Jacko, first goal, second and third goal disasters, Lookman a positive,...err that's about it. What impressed me in a not good way, was the contrast of demeanour from pre match with the enigmatic answers and the cheeky grin, to this eye reddened man who is dutifully defending the unmanageable situation he finds himself in. I wonder how long he will put up with this. it's almost as if Roland said; 'well your algorithms sourced the players, the bell rang for you and I have put you in charge of your players, so don't come running to me if you fail mate'. Karel mentions two home players in Jacko and Lookman as significant. I believe he is realising the massive flaw in this running a club by remote control, and is desperate for some significant in circumstances. circumstances I might add that he is culpable in creating. Incidentally, much as I really like Lookman, to basically say now to an 18 year old with two starts: 'go on, save Charlton' is to me cynical manipulation of the situation of a very very questionable kind. When a player like Lookman comes along then nurturing is a better option than exploitation.
Fraeye when asked about the protest had a prepared answer that he didn't notice he was concentrating on the game. The slickness of his response suggested to me that he had already had briefing on how to answer from within the coven. If he feels that it is credible to say he didn't notice...especially when JBG said he did...he is continuing to treat us fans like mugs which is of course the hallmark of this regime.
Just watched the Fraeye post match interview. The man is clearly stressed and cheesed off, but he also came across to me like a man unsupported and close to despair. Similar to Katrien at the meeting, he has a mental box ticking list to trundle out as in Jacko, first goal, second and third goal disasters, Lookman a positive,...err that's about it. What impressed me in a not good way, was the contrast of demeanour from pre match with the enigmatic answers and the cheeky grin, to this eye reddened man who is dutifully defending the unmanageable situation he finds himself in. I wonder how long he will put up with this. it's almost as if Roland said; 'well your algorithms sourced the players, the bell rang for you and I have put you in charge of your players, so don't come running to me if you fail mate'. Karel mentions two home players in Jacko and Lookman as significant. I believe he is realising the massive flaw in this running a club by remote control, and is desperate for some significant in circumstances. circumstances I might add that he is culpable in creating. Incidentally, much as I really like Lookman, to basically say now to an 18 year old with two starts: 'go on, save Charlton' is to me cynical manipulation of the situation of a very very questionable kind. When a player like Lookman comes along then nurturing is a better option than exploitation.
Fraeye when asked about the protest had a prepared answer that he didn't notice he was concentrating on the game. The slickness of his response suggested to me that he had already had briefing on how to answer from within the coven. If he feels that it is credible to say he didn't notice...especially when JBG said he did...he is continuing to treat us fans like mugs which is of course the hallmark of this regime.
Seth, after reading your post I watched the interview but I did not see a man stressed and certainly not in despair. He is entitled to look a little despondent after a 3.0 defeat surely? You repeat the mantra spread by others that he is responsible for recruiting/scouting previous signings but he was not. Like Luzon before him, he wants Championship players in but obviously he cannot say that in public and keep his job under RD. He is not culpable for the situation he is in apart from accepting the job (and who would not) and knows the problems and knows that he has to work with them and, hopefully RD will see the error of his ways and back him with Championship player in January........ It is fanciful to say that he is manipulating young Lookman and expecting him to 'save Charlton’, instead he is in the team because he is bloody good and fit. He will need to be nurtured obviously but I can see no manipulation at present! As for the dismissal of the question about the 2% protest which I fully supported in the East stand, I would expect him not to pay it any attention but to focus on the game. I also thought that the crowd were not as supportive as in Sheffield game and it did not help but that's another story.... He is not the one to treat us as mugs - we all know who that is! Always like your contributions Seth but I could not let this one go by me without comment. COYR
Just watched the Fraeye post match interview. The man is clearly stressed and cheesed off, but he also came across to me like a man unsupported and close to despair. Similar to Katrien at the meeting, he has a mental box ticking list to trundle out as in Jacko, first goal, second and third goal disasters, Lookman a positive,...err that's about it. What impressed me in a not good way, was the contrast of demeanour from pre match with the enigmatic answers and the cheeky grin, to this eye reddened man who is dutifully defending the unmanageable situation he finds himself in. I wonder how long he will put up with this. it's almost as if Roland said; 'well your algorithms sourced the players, the bell rang for you and I have put you in charge of your players, so don't come running to me if you fail mate'. Karel mentions two home players in Jacko and Lookman as significant. I believe he is realising the massive flaw in this running a club by remote control, and is desperate for some significant in circumstances. circumstances I might add that he is culpable in creating. Incidentally, much as I really like Lookman, to basically say now to an 18 year old with two starts: 'go on, save Charlton' is to me cynical manipulation of the situation of a very very questionable kind. When a player like Lookman comes along then nurturing is a better option than exploitation.
Fraeye when asked about the protest had a prepared answer that he didn't notice he was concentrating on the game. The slickness of his response suggested to me that he had already had briefing on how to answer from within the coven. If he feels that it is credible to say he didn't notice...especially when JBG said he did...he is continuing to treat us fans like mugs which is of course the hallmark of this regime.
Seth, after reading your post I watched the interview but I did not see a man stressed and certainly not in despair. He is entitled to look a little despondent after a 3.0 defeat surely? You repeat the mantra spread by others that he is responsible for recruiting/scouting previous signings but he was not. Like Luzon before him, he wants Championship players in but obviously he cannot say that in public and keep his job under RD. He is not culpable for the situation he is in apart from accepting the job (and who would not) and knows the problems and knows that he has to work with them and, hopefully RD will see the error of his ways and back him with Championship player in January........ It is fanciful to say that he is manipulating young Lookman and expecting him to 'save Charlton’, instead he is in the team because he is bloody good and fit. He will need to be nurtured obviously but I can see no manipulation at present! As for the dismissal of the question about the 2% protest which I fully supported in the East stand, I would expect him not to pay it any attention but to focus on the game. I also thought that the crowd were not as supportive as in Sheffield game and it did not help but that's another story.... He is not the one to treat us as mugs - we all know who that is! Always like your contributions Seth but I could not let this one go by me without comment. COYR
OK. fair enough we see it differently. (just re read what I wrote which makes no sense in the middle as I was distracted by a phone call). I have no proof that he was responsible for recruiting or signing players, but I do think he may have been suggesting players, or even checking out their stats and reporting to Roland and influencing him. So I suppose I am saying he is culpable to that extent. When I first met him he introduced himself as somebody working across the whole Duchatelet network, and so I have assumed that he is committed to the experiment, so that adds to my 'culpability' feeling.
I am intrigued that you say this: Like Luzon before him, he wants Championship players in but obviously he cannot say that in public and keep his job under RD. . I don't know where you get the evidence for this from, however I have heard on decent authority that Luzon was often as bewildered as the rest of us.
My assumption has been that Miere, Duchatelet, Fraeye, Dahan and the mysterious Didier form the inner circle, and that Luzon was excluded from it...but maybe that is the conspiracy theorist in me. His reaction to the protest question reinforced in me that he is part of the committed 'inner circle', but others can decide for themselves if I am reading it wrong, mind you he said he didn't see it as he was concentrating on the game, but it beggars belief that he wasn't at least aware of it, he is no fool.
I welcome your comment as I am prepared to see things differently if the point is persuasive, I accept it may have been more a pissed off Fraeye I saw, than a stressed and unsupported one.
Seth, I have evidence but I would hope that you take it in good faith. Regards!
Pete I accept what you say that at the moment Fraeye wants Championship players.
Of course he might not be around long enough for that aspiration to have any meaning, but if he stays until at least the end of the season, then the business done in January may well reveal the extent of his influence with RD.
I really don't think who/what manager comes in with this current squad. Yes we have been desperately unlucky with injuries but look at the depth of our squad and the players available to KF. As much as I don't really rate Ian Holloway I thought he was spot on with his comments about us on Saturday (before kick off!) We need RD to find a manager (who he trusts) IH words, then back him with players HE wants and the team needs and give him two years. It cannot do the likes of Lookman etc starting and almost be expected to score goals and win us games from the off. These players need to come on and develop for 20,30, minutes when we are fairly comfortable. So it's not worth slating KF for his lack of experience lack of knowledge etc etc, we should just give him our absolute full support as hard as it is but don't forget we have got JE helping him out, some people were even wanting him to take over? far too early in my opinion. We have just got to hope RD has a change of heart in January and brings in some decent experienced players that know this league (as we did to get out of div 1) otherwise that is where we will probably end up. But my main point is about KF, NO MANAGER would do consistently well with this team/squad whoever he is. Still upset about Saturday's "beating" first time EVER I have walked out when that third goal went in (I was at home!!) absolutely gutted........................
If this bloke is so good why wasn't he given the gig after Riga? Or even after peeters.
It's not as if in that time he's been off gaining worthy championship experience and his record in the belgian vauxhall conference is hardly stellar.
Roland Deutchatelet is clueless when it comes to appointing managers. This is a bullshit appointment of someone lower in the pecking order than Riga, Peeters and Luzon and a complete insult to this football club and regardless of how much bollocks like this is spouted it won't change that.
Fucking ludicrous and for the likes of Richard Murray to sit there last week defending the managerial appointment talking about RD trusting them is an insult to the intelligence of Charlton fans. I will bump this after he has been jogged on.
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A new owner will come along, that is a given but is a case of when.
Are you supportive of the protests by the way?
the championship, and we created 4 good chances in the last 10 minutes when we have normally given up. EG, Brentford,Preston, Middlesbrough to name just 3.
Solly was assaulted for the first goal, and the person who said he put in a weak challenge should go to spec savers.
I don't want a depressed coach, the fact that he shouldn't have got the job in the first place has already been covered.
The fact the guy with the most assists and the focal point of our attacks had a mare, and should have gone off maybe 10 minutes before if not at HT, was the biggest negative because along With JJ injury and Bauer carrying an injury for 70 minutes meant we couldn't function as a unit.
CF took the job, on i would imagine, is the lowest paid head coach in the championship so along with a bottom six budget, we are handicapped every match. What seasoned British coach would even bother to turn up for an interview ? Even if they were asked, when they found out the wage ?
I work on the basis that bringing in players/managers to another country cannot be cheap.
Riga,Peeters, Luzon and Fraeye.
If they weren't the cheapest option, why did they get the job ?
I have now amended to Luzon.
I agree with you that Fraeye would be on the least pro rata,
as Riga was only given a 3 month contract and maybe a bonus for keeping us up.
What impressed me in a not good way, was the contrast of demeanour from pre match with the enigmatic answers and the cheeky grin, to this eye reddened man who is dutifully defending the unmanageable situation he finds himself in.
I wonder how long he will put up with this. it's almost as if Roland said; 'well your algorithms sourced the players, the bell rang for you and I have put you in charge of your players, so don't come running to me if you fail mate'.
Karel mentions two home players in Jacko and Lookman as significant. I believe he is realising the massive flaw in this running a club by remote control, and is desperate for some significant in circumstances. circumstances I might add that he is culpable in creating.
Incidentally, much as I really like Lookman, to basically say now to an 18 year old with two starts: 'go on, save Charlton' is to me cynical manipulation of the situation of a very very questionable kind. When a player like Lookman comes along then nurturing is a better option than exploitation.
Fraeye when asked about the protest had a prepared answer that he didn't notice he was concentrating on the game. The slickness of his response suggested to me that he had already had briefing on how to answer from within the coven. If he feels that it is credible to say he didn't notice...especially when JBG said he did...he is continuing to treat us fans like mugs which is of course the hallmark of this regime.
Seth, after reading your post I watched the interview but I did not see a man stressed and certainly not in despair. He is entitled to look a little despondent after a 3.0 defeat surely?
You repeat the mantra spread by others that he is responsible for recruiting/scouting previous signings but he was not. Like Luzon before him, he wants Championship players in but obviously he cannot say that in public and keep his job under RD. He is not culpable for the situation he is in apart from accepting the job (and who would not) and knows the problems and knows that he has to work with them and, hopefully RD will see the error of his ways and back him with Championship player in January........
It is fanciful to say that he is manipulating young Lookman and expecting him to 'save Charlton’, instead he is in the team because he is bloody good and fit. He will need to be nurtured obviously but I can see no manipulation at present!
As for the dismissal of the question about the 2% protest which I fully supported in the East stand, I would expect him not to pay it any attention but to focus on the game.
I also thought that the crowd were not as supportive as in Sheffield game and it did not help but that's another story....
He is not the one to treat us as mugs - we all know who that is!
Always like your contributions Seth but I could not let this one go by me without comment.
COYR
I have no proof that he was responsible for recruiting or signing players, but I do think he may have been suggesting players, or even checking out their stats and reporting to Roland and influencing him. So I suppose I am saying he is culpable to that extent. When I first met him he introduced himself as somebody working across the whole Duchatelet network, and so I have assumed that he is committed to the experiment, so that adds to my 'culpability' feeling.
I am intrigued that you say this: Like Luzon before him, he wants Championship players in but obviously he cannot say that in public and keep his job under RD. . I don't know where you get the evidence for this from, however I have heard on decent authority that Luzon was often as bewildered as the rest of us.
My assumption has been that Miere, Duchatelet, Fraeye, Dahan and the mysterious Didier form the inner circle, and that Luzon was excluded from it...but maybe that is the conspiracy theorist in me.
His reaction to the protest question reinforced in me that he is part of the committed 'inner circle', but others can decide for themselves if I am reading it wrong, mind you he said he didn't see it as he was concentrating on the game, but it beggars belief that he wasn't at least aware of it, he is no fool.
I welcome your comment as I am prepared to see things differently if the point is persuasive, I accept it may have been more a pissed off Fraeye I saw, than a stressed and unsupported one.
Of course he might not be around long enough for that aspiration to have any meaning, but if he stays until at least the end of the season, then the business done in January may well reveal the extent of his influence with RD.
So it's not worth slating KF for his lack of experience lack of knowledge etc etc, we should just give him our absolute full support as hard as it is but don't forget we have got JE helping him out, some people were even wanting him to take over? far too early in my opinion.
We have just got to hope RD has a change of heart in January and brings in some decent experienced players that know this league (as we did to get out of div 1) otherwise that is where we will probably end up.
But my main point is about KF, NO MANAGER would do consistently well with this team/squad whoever he is.
Still upset about Saturday's "beating" first time EVER I have walked out when that third goal went in (I was at home!!) absolutely gutted........................