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  • it's a real mess isn't it. I can see why the Trust want dialogue and I understand why some want to protest. I just don't see the dialogue leading anywhere, I just see it as lip service by the Club so it appears they are listening/willing to change but ultimately nothing will change except some loyal fans will be used to do the work the Club should be doing. I hope I'm wrong but won't hold my breath unless by some miracle they invite Airman Brown and Wendy Perfect to the table and then I may change my view.

    Absolutely spot on.
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    it's a real mess isn't it. I can see why the Trust want dialogue and I understand why some want to protest. I just don't see the dialogue leading anywhere, I just see it as lip service by the Club so it appears they are listening/willing to change but ultimately nothing will change

    So in that case you are only really protesting for them to leave if you see no improvement value whatsoever in dialogue. Is that right?

    The two aspects, protest / dialogue do not have to be mutually joined, and nor do the individuals group leading / supporting imo
  • For people that think it's a step in the right direction, that's an opinion that others will differ from. I personally think it's holding hands with KM in a time we quite desperately need to pile pressure on her and the regime she is working for. If you base the entire 'friendship' type agreements etc., then that is what it will be kept as. Building attendances, she is not suddenly one week going to say "You guys are nice, let me fire Roland a text and we can increase our budget tenfold, and change the entire game plan"

    Way too intent on having some kind of conversation with her, that it's got one that helps her and her job safety out massively; hence why she has agreed to it.
  • Let us cut to the chase.

    We know who the prominent fans are, the ones who were fantastic in enabling us to get back to The Valley, and ones who have worked for the club.

    These people need to be in meetings with Meire but that I'm afraid will not happen. Why? Perhaps Meire should be asked this.
  • Let us cut to the chase.

    We know who the prominent fans are, the ones who were fantastic in enabling us to get back to The Valley, and ones who have worked for the club.

    These people need to be in meetings with Meire but that I'm afraid will not happen. Why? Perhaps Meire should be asked this.

    Nick Gray? Ackworth? That other fella whose name we cannot mention on here for fear of us all getting death threats?
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  • Off_it said:

    Let us cut to the chase.

    We know who the prominent fans are, the ones who were fantastic in enabling us to get back to The Valley, and ones who have worked for the club.

    These people need to be in meetings with Meire but that I'm afraid will not happen. Why? Perhaps Meire should be asked this.

    Nick Gray? Ackworth? That other fella whose name we cannot mention on here for fear of us all getting death threats?
    I reckon you know the people I'm referring to.
  • rikofold said:

    What a surprise.

    And I was shouted down for daring to reveal that just such a meeting was scheduled before the Trust AGM.

    Great that the dialogue is taking place, great that target 20k is happening, shame that the fact that such a meeting had already been arranged had to be kept from not only trust members not at the AGM but those fans who attended the Q and A meeting week before last.

    It wasn't even scheduled before the fans' meeting last week Henry, but don't let the facts spoil a good story now.

    Not scheduled? In the sense of no date set

    Or not discussed/provisionally arranged?

    If I've got the facts wrong you seem very reluctant to spell them out.
  • it's a real mess isn't it. I can see why the Trust want dialogue and I understand why some want to protest. I just don't see the dialogue leading anywhere, I just see it as lip service by the Club so it appears they are listening/willing to change but ultimately nothing will change except some loyal fans will be used to do the work the Club should be doing. I hope I'm wrong but won't hold my breath unless by some miracle they invite Airman Brown and Wendy Perfect to the table and then I may change my view.

    hi Large. Both Airman and Wendy are active members of the Trust, and the rest of us know just how much knowledge they have of the sales and operational side of the club. We'd be nuts not to make the very most of that knowledge.

    I meant them actually engaging with the Club, face to face.

  • it's a real mess isn't it. I can see why the Trust want dialogue and I understand why some want to protest. I just don't see the dialogue leading anywhere, I just see it as lip service by the Club so it appears they are listening/willing to change but ultimately nothing will change except some loyal fans will be used to do the work the Club should be doing. I hope I'm wrong but won't hold my breath unless by some miracle they invite Airman Brown and Wendy Perfect to the table and then I may change my view.

    hi Large. Both Airman and Wendy are active members of the Trust, and the rest of us know just how much knowledge they have of the sales and operational side of the club. We'd be nuts not to make the very most of that knowledge.

    I meant them actually engaging with the Club, face to face.

    Meire would be like a frightened rabbit.
  • Nicholas said:

    Has anyone actually told them if they brought enough decent players and a decent manager and worked on making the club successful on the pitch then all their target 20000, their hospitality, and other crap they are trying to get us to buy into will actually be a success then and not before.

    too simplistic mate
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  • Nicholas said:

    Has anyone actually told them if they brought enough decent players and a decent manager and worked on making the club successful on the pitch then all their target 20000, their hospitality, and other crap they are trying to get us to buy into will actually be a success then and not before.

    too simplistic mate
    Which is pretty much all the Belgians have to do.
  • it's a real mess isn't it. I can see why the Trust want dialogue and I understand why some want to protest. I just don't see the dialogue leading anywhere, I just see it as lip service by the Club so it appears they are listening/willing to change but ultimately nothing will change except some loyal fans will be used to do the work the Club should be doing. I hope I'm wrong but won't hold my breath unless by some miracle they invite Airman Brown and Wendy Perfect to the table and then I may change my view.

    hi Large. Both Airman and Wendy are active members of the Trust, and the rest of us know just how much knowledge they have of the sales and operational side of the club. We'd be nuts not to make the very most of that knowledge.

    Sorry to split further hairs, but to clear neither Wendy nor I are involved in the trust's activities or active as members of the trust. Neither am I criticising what the trust is doing, which is what it is mandated to do, but it would be wrong to see anythng we do as trust activity and vice versa.

    Sure, to clarify, what I meant is that because you know and are friendly with, sit alongside Trust board members, you both are able to tell Trust board members exactly what you think, and do so. You both sent apologies for non attendance at AGM due to other engagements. All in all that makes you one of the, I dunno 50 or so members whom we don't have to survey because we already know your views in some detail.

    And we hope that we can indeed give a voice to your ideas ( possibly adopt them) about what the club should be doing, if you feel able to co-operate in that respect.

  • Off_it said:

    Why does it matter Henry? Seriously, I don't get it.

    It's actually a pretty important question.

    If the meeting was in the pipeline but not yet scheduled before the fans meeting, I would have an issue with that.
  • rikofold said:

    What a surprise.

    And I was shouted down for daring to reveal that just such a meeting was scheduled before the Trust AGM.

    Great that the dialogue is taking place, great that target 20k is happening, shame that the fact that such a meeting had already been arranged had to be kept from not only trust members not at the AGM but those fans who attended the Q and A meeting week before last.

    It wasn't even scheduled before the fans' meeting last week Henry, but don't let the facts spoil a good story now.

    Not scheduled? In the sense of no date set

    Or not discussed/provisionally arranged?

    If I've got the facts wrong you seem very reluctant to spell them out.
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    It's a good step forward. I do worry that the club will just see it as a way of getting the fans do their bidding for them. I hope they are fully aware that it's a two-way street, because in order to succeed with Target 20k there needs to be a quality product on offer. That means proper investment in the playing squad must be a priority and a manager that can lead that squad competently and succesfully. If the campaign does start to attract fans, they aren't going to stay around long if they are watching a team that isn't good enough and can see all the same glaring issues from the club that we've been complaining about these past couple of years.
  • it's a real mess isn't it. I can see why the Trust want dialogue and I understand why some want to protest. I just don't see the dialogue leading anywhere, I just see it as lip service by the Club so it appears they are listening/willing to change but ultimately nothing will change except some loyal fans will be used to do the work the Club should be doing. I hope I'm wrong but won't hold my breath unless by some miracle they invite Airman Brown and Wendy Perfect to the table and then I may change my view.

    hi Large. Both Airman and Wendy are active members of the Trust, and the rest of us know just how much knowledge they have of the sales and operational side of the club. We'd be nuts not to make the very most of that knowledge.

    Sorry to split further hairs, but to clear neither Wendy nor I are involved in the trust's activities or active as members of the trust. Neither am I criticising what the trust is doing, which is what it is mandated to do, but it would be wrong to see anythng we do as trust activity and vice versa.

    Sure, to clarify, what I meant is that because you know and are friendly with, sit alongside Trust board members, you both are able to tell Trust board members exactly what you think, and do so. You both sent apologies for non attendance at AGM due to other engagements. All in all that makes you one of the, I dunno 50 or so members whom we don't have to survey because we already know your views in some detail.

    And we hope that we can indeed give a voice to your ideas ( possibly adopt them) about what the club should be doing, if you feel able to co-operate in that respect.

    Why can Airman not be in attendance to air his views for HIMSELF? Assuming he wants to of course.
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  • edited November 2015

    it's a real mess isn't it. I can see why the Trust want dialogue and I understand why some want to protest. I just don't see the dialogue leading anywhere, I just see it as lip service by the Club so it appears they are listening/willing to change but ultimately nothing will change except some loyal fans will be used to do the work the Club should be doing. I hope I'm wrong but won't hold my breath unless by some miracle they invite Airman Brown and Wendy Perfect to the table and then I may change my view.

    hi Large. Both Airman and Wendy are active members of the Trust, and the rest of us know just how much knowledge they have of the sales and operational side of the club. We'd be nuts not to make the very most of that knowledge.

    apparently not, really surprised you would assert that they are when in fact they are not.

    edited : since seen your 'explanation'.

  • Off_it said:

    Why does it matter Henry? Seriously, I don't get it.

    Because at least two senior trust members denied it repeatedly on the' Murray time to go' thread.

  • Off_it said:

    Why does it matter Henry? Seriously, I don't get it.

    It's actually a pretty important question.

    If the meeting was in the pipeline but not yet scheduled before the fans meeting, I would have an issue with that.
    I learnt a lesson pretty early on in an advertising agency that you do not count on anything, be it a meeting, an approval, delivery of campaign proposal, whatever, until you have rock solid, incontrovertible evidence that it is actually happening. Failure to be prudent in that way results in, at minimum, you ending up looking bloody stupid, and possibly worse, making bad decisions because you counted on something happening that did not happen.
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