Does GL actually pick the team or is it RD in his office playing Fantasy Football? How else would one explain putting out a side as imbalanced as he did tonight?
Simple injuries ..... That was the youngest team we have ever put out tonight and the fans were a disgrace , young players need support, Good points tonight Big Mc getting 20 mins , Tariq Dennis and Sarr
Poor , Solly, Cousins and Fox
Grant not ready for a starting role
Lol.. we conceded before the fans had even turned up, blaming them for losing 0-3 to Preston? You forgot Bergdich who was 10x as bad as the 3 you named. WUM WUM WUM.
What was a disgrace was the not fit to wear the shirt singing at the end of the game - yep the players and manager screwed up but such abuse is not justified and won't achieve anything whatsoever especially with young players.
Maybe they could at least respect us as fans and paying customers enough to explain the plan. I appreciate we must be incredibly stupid not to get it, but if we understood it would surely help!
Didn't they already try to explain it a couple of months ago? If I remember correctly it was to be in a position to be able to stay in the Championship and then see how we were doing in January and if in January we are doing well then invest and make a bit of a push for a play-off spot.
We're clearly not in a position to be certain that we'll stay in this league. I for one was really confident in this but it looks as if we've been found out and it's clear to me that a number of the decent players we had on the bench last night won't make a big contribution to the season given their reoccurring fitness issues. It'll be interesting and I'm sure extremely frustrating to see how our tosser of an owner gets us out of this one.
Maybe they could at least respect us as fans and paying customers enough to explain the plan. I appreciate we must be incredibly stupid not to get it, but if we understood it would surely help!
Didn't they already try to explain it a couple of months ago? If I remember correctly it was to be in a position to be able to stay in the Championship and then see how we were doing in January and if in January we are doing well then invest and make a bit of a push for a play-off spot.
We're clearly not in a position to be certain that we'll stay in this league. I for one was really confident in this but it looks as if we've been found out and it's clear to me that a number of the decent players we had on the bench last night won't make a big contribution to the season given their reoccurring fitness issues. It'll be interesting and I'm sure extremely frustrating to see how our tosser of an owner gets us out of this one.
Oh - I didn't realise that was the master plan - like how we are going to progress going forwards, how it is going to work etc...
Maybe they could at least respect us as fans and paying customers enough to explain the plan. I appreciate we must be incredibly stupid not to get it, but if we understood it would surely help!
Didn't they already try to explain it a couple of months ago? If I remember correctly it was to be in a position to be able to stay in the Championship and then see how we were doing in January and if in January we are doing well then invest and make a bit of a push for a play-off spot.
We're clearly not in a position to be certain that we'll stay in this league. I for one was really confident in this but it looks as if we've been found out and it's clear to me that a number of the decent players we had on the bench last night won't make a big contribution to the season given their reoccurring fitness issues. It'll be interesting and I'm sure extremely frustrating to see how our tosser of an owner gets us out of this one.
Oh - I didn't realise that was the master plan - like how we are going to progress going forwards, how it is going to work etc...
Yeah I don't think they specified how we are going to progress forwards. We all know they're not in a hurry though, that's no secret.
Does GL actually pick the team or is it RD in his office playing Fantasy Football? How else would one explain putting out a side as imbalanced as he did tonight?
Simple injuries ..... That was the youngest team we have ever put out tonight and the fans were a disgrace , young players need support, Good points tonight Big Mc getting 20 mins , Tariq Dennis and Sarr
Poor , Solly, Cousins and Fox
Grant not ready for a starting role
@colin1961 are you for real? perhaps you are RD/KM in disguise, but we know your are just plain Bexleyboy. Tonight, as I have posted elsewhere, you start with your strongest most experienced and balanced side. Big Mac, Moussa, JJ, and leave KAG, THD and 1 of 3 left backs on the bench (Berg or Fox I guess), then you take control of the game, hopefully be in front after 60 minutes then substitute as legs get tired and drop into a more defensive formation. You don't start with your weakest side and try and play catch up.....now do you understand? I know you think the sun shines out of Rd/KM/GL backside, but it doesn't please wake up and smell the coffee. Please!!
Those 3 you mentioned have all just recovered from injuries - 2 very long term. Maybe they could have made a better impact than others but why risk having them out for another long period just for one game? I'm pretty sure they couldn't have lasted 60mins last night so how about you wake up to the facts?
You all make me laugh, constantly using Roland as a scapegoat for all that goes wrong. When Luzon was doing well there was rare mention of 'fuck the belgian' but now he is on a poor run we blame Roland. I don't think everything in his nework has gone well but what has changed here, Luzon or Roland? To be fair we do have a very thin squad once again but is this really the blame for our poor performances? Good teams can work with few options. I for one actually admire Roland for staying with the likes of Peeters and now Luzon for what is nowadays quite a long poor streak, whereas at other network clubs like Leeds they don't even try giving managers a fair chance.
Recruitment policy is a total shambles and if you cannot see that I'm amazed.
The typical thoughts of a Charlton Life user Month ago: This is a very exciting squad this season let's push on and have a good season. Now: This recruitment is a mess! I swear I've been telling you all this time, but no! RD never listens does he?
You all make me laugh, constantly using Roland as a scapegoat for all that goes wrong. When Luzon was doing well there was rare mention of 'fuck the belgian' but now he is on a poor run we blame Roland. I don't think everything in his nework has gone well but what has changed here, Luzon or Roland? To be fair we do have a very thin squad once again but is this really the blame for our poor performances? Good teams can work with few options. I for one actually admire Roland for staying with the likes of Peeters and now Luzon for what is nowadays quite a long poor streak, whereas at other network clubs like Leeds they don't even try giving managers a fair chance.
Recruitment policy is a total shambles and if you cannot see that I'm amazed.
The typical thoughts of a Charlton Life user Month ago: This is a very exciting squad this season let's push on and have a good season. Now: This recruitment is a mess! I swear I've been telling you all this time, but no! RD never listens does he?
I have never mentioned about an exciting squad under the Belgians but have ALWAYS questioned the recruitment policy.
Does GL actually pick the team or is it RD in his office playing Fantasy Football? How else would one explain putting out a side as imbalanced as he did tonight?
Simple injuries ..... That was the youngest team we have ever put out tonight and the fans were a disgrace , young players need support, Good points tonight Big Mc getting 20 mins , Tariq Dennis and Sarr
Poor , Solly, Cousins and Fox
Grant not ready for a starting role
@colin1961 are you for real? perhaps you are RD/KM in disguise, but we know your are just plain Bexleyboy. Tonight, as I have posted elsewhere, you start with your strongest most experienced and balanced side. Big Mac, Moussa, JJ, and leave KAG, THD and 1 of 3 left backs on the bench (Berg or Fox I guess), then you take control of the game, hopefully be in front after 60 minutes then substitute as legs get tired and drop into a more defensive formation. You don't start with your weakest side and try and play catch up.....now do you understand? I know you think the sun shines out of Rd/KM/GL backside, but it doesn't please wake up and smell the coffee. Please!!
Those 3 you mentioned have all just recovered from injuries - 2 very long term. Maybe they could have made a better impact than others but why risk having them out for another long period just for one game? I'm pretty sure they couldn't have lasted 60 mins last night so how about you wake up to the facts?
I know the 3 I mentioned have been out, 2 of them long term, the point I was making is it is no good bringing them on when the game has gone, would have been better then not have them on the bench in case of injury if played for just 5 minutes. Therefore I would have started them, and not played 3 left backs or a young lad out of position on his full league debut. We won't agree on this and that's fine, but perhaps we can agree on RD/KM running the club with such a thin squad as soon as injuries come along we were damned if we do and damned if we don't, but @colin1961 does not see or won't admit to the aforementioned duo being out of touch with Championship football and how to run a squad. I'll stick by my comments that I would have started with the strongest possible 11 to try and get our noses in front, then make substitutions as soon as I could, 40, 50, 60 minutes. Waking up to facts is not what I need to do, but @colin1961 does.
I like GL but iam craving the return off this man.
No to anyone on RD's personal network. IMO Success comes via wise spending, and a wise "British" coach with Championship experience. To appoint Riga or anyone else would not make a iota of difference under the current situation.
Just after the Red, Red Robin is played we should put on 'It's a heartache' by Bonnie Tyler. Sums up the club at the moment. May give RD and KM an idea just how we all feel!
When Roland took over, we were 22nd in the league. 4 managers, countless players and just under 2 seasons later, we're 22nd in the league. Great progress.
I've always tried to be a voice of reason - reserve judgement, wait and see, RD is a shrewd businessman, slowly but surely add investment without risking financial security, long-term plan, invest in the kids, blah blah blah
However I'll now come off the fence as I don't really like splinters on my arse - they can now all **** off back to Belgium.
When Roland took over, we were 22nd in the league. 4 managers, countless players and just under 2 seasons later, we're 22nd in the league. Great progress.
And the most important stat of them all - thousands of regular fans down. Which has a domino effect of losing their future family etc as fans.
We've took a big step back, considering he counts himself as the saviour of our club and we should be thankful of him and KM, we've gone nowhere but back, mostly off the field but that is most important imo
It was disappointing reading the match thread last night, and have been thoroughly depressed about all things Charlton today.
Then, just now at work opposite Harrods, the bagpiper struck up Mull of Kintyre and I found myself listening to plaintiff skirls coming from across the road, and humming along, with the words to Valley Floyd Road in my head and then there was a moment of clarity as I thought to myself
When Roland took over, we were 22nd in the league. 4 managers, countless players and just under 2 seasons later, we're 22nd in the league. Great progress.
I think this is the most succinct and poignant post so far. Really good post crookester.
Does GL actually pick the team or is it RD in his office playing Fantasy Football? How else would one explain putting out a side as imbalanced as he did tonight?
Simple injuries ..... That was the youngest team we have ever put out tonight and the fans were a disgrace , young players need support, Good points tonight Big Mc getting 20 mins , Tariq Dennis and Sarr
Poor , Solly, Cousins and Fox
Grant not ready for a starting role
@colin1961 are you for real? perhaps you are RD/KM in disguise, but we know your are just plain Bexleyboy. Tonight, as I have posted elsewhere, you start with your strongest most experienced and balanced side. Big Mac, Moussa, JJ, and leave KAG, THD and 1 of 3 left backs on the bench (Berg or Fox I guess), then you take control of the game, hopefully be in front after 60 minutes then substitute as legs get tired and drop into a more defensive formation. You don't start with your weakest side and try and play catch up.....now do you understand? I know you think the sun shines out of Rd/KM/GL backside, but it doesn't please wake up and smell the coffee. Please!!
Those 3 you mentioned have all just recovered from injuries - 2 very long term. Maybe they could have made a better impact than others but why risk having them out for another long period just for one game? I'm pretty sure they couldn't have lasted 60mins last night so how about you wake up to the facts?
At last someone with sense .... The head Physio confirmed today that Big Mc , Moussa and Jackson were not fit enough to start last night, already they have said that Big Mc will not start Saturday because of his injury , Gudmunnson will return but that looks like the only one ......
If that is the case, we need some players in on emergency loan sooner rather than later
Why do we have players out on loan? Guy Luzon crying over lack of a winger. What's wrong with Harriott tearing it up in L1? Poor management of the club as a whole at the moment. From the fitness/coaching team down to the tactics and the transfers, it's all amiss and quite frankly embarassing.
Old buildings at Sparrows Lane demolished. Duchatalet dies immediately. No money at all. Building works get cancelled. Academy goes from Cat 2 to Cat 4 status Players have to change in a scout's second-hand ridge tent. Physio's department gets a marquee. This will be the management team's office:
Why do we have players out on loan? Guy Luzon crying over lack of a winger. What's wrong with Harriott tearing it up in L1? Poor management of the club as a whole at the moment. From the fitness/coaching team down to the tactics and the transfers, it's all amiss and quite frankly embarassing.
So, been away for the day... what's the plan? I am prepared to do anything to get this shower of shite out of my club, except maybe giving up brussell sprouts at Christmas!
When Roland took over, we were 22nd in the league. 4 managers, countless players and just under 2 seasons later, we're 22nd in the league. Great progress.
22nd in the league with about a hundred games in hand...
Does GL actually pick the team or is it RD in his office playing Fantasy Football? How else would one explain putting out a side as imbalanced as he did tonight?
Simple injuries ..... That was the youngest team we have ever put out tonight and the fans were a disgrace , young players need support, Good points tonight Big Mc getting 20 mins , Tariq Dennis and Sarr
Poor , Solly, Cousins and Fox
Grant not ready for a starting role
@colin1961 are you for real? perhaps you are RD/KM in disguise, but we know your are just plain Bexleyboy. Tonight, as I have posted elsewhere, you start with your strongest most experienced and balanced side. Big Mac, Moussa, JJ, and leave KAG, THD and 1 of 3 left backs on the bench (Berg or Fox I guess), then you take control of the game, hopefully be in front after 60 minutes then substitute as legs get tired and drop into a more defensive formation. You don't start with your weakest side and try and play catch up.....now do you understand? I know you think the sun shines out of Rd/KM/GL backside, but it doesn't please wake up and smell the coffee. Please!!
Those 3 you mentioned have all just recovered from injuries - 2 very long term. Maybe they could have made a better impact than others but why risk having them out for another long period just for one game? I'm pretty sure they couldn't have lasted 60mins last night so how about you wake up to the facts?
At last someone with sense .... The head Physio confirmed today that Big Mc , Moussa and Jackson were not fit enough to start last night, already they have said that Big Mc will not start Saturday because of his injury , Gudmunnson will return but that looks like the only one ......
@colin1961, no he didn't, read what I posted from Erol on the OS, he DID NOT say they weren't fit to start and Moussa not even mentioned!! and no mention of Big Mac being out for Saturday.....are you dreaming shit up?
Leaving my spat with @colin1961 to one side for the time being...I think we have a massive problem with RD/KM behind the scenes. Look at the facts, CP couldn't work with them - gone, AD left at end of season, Nathan Jones and Ben Roberts moved on, Riga did very well but not retained or decided not to stay, in came Big Bob, out went Big Bob, in comes GL now he is struggling as well, common denominator RD/KM,....... coincidence?
Unfortunately all that Roland knows about football is buying and selling Clubs. Katrien's knowledge of football would not get her into a Subbuteo League, and Guy Lose-on is only good at making excuses. He totally failed to appreciate that if you have big Simon flicking on the headers, you must have others driving on them towards goal. Coach? He is not even a Mini Bus!
Leaving my spat with @colin1961 to one side for the time being...I think we have a massive problem with RD/KM behind the scenes. Look at the facts, CP couldn't work with them - gone, AD left at end of season, Nathan Jones and Ben Roberts moved on, Riga did very well but not retained or decided not to stay, in came Big Bob, out went Big Bob, in comes GL now he is struggling as well, common denominator RD/KM,....... coincidence?
Some people used to think our old backroom staff were being just bitter, how wrong they were!
If you release 14 players at the end of one season you need to bring in more than 8 by the start of the next one.
The merry go round of hog-tied managers is embarrassing as much for us as it is them.
I've never been on board with this whole experiment and it gives me absolutely no joy to keep being proven right. I wasn't enamoured with our start. We played 2 teams who had some good players but had just been jettisoned from the division above. Typical early season results and as it turned out we have been sussed out, again, very early on.
What I will say is anyone hoping for relegation has a very short memory. The division below us is not an easy one to get out of. The best we can hope for unfortunately, is that we stay up somehow and when we inevitably lose our decent squad members and Duchatelet buggers off there is some magician with a brain and a cheque book prepared to support us amd start again.
I don't know how many fall into the same boat as me, but I have stood in defence of RD/KM for a while because I wanted it to work and was grateful for them picking up the bill post Slater/TJ and the financial mess we were in at the time.
End of Dec/Jan will be two full years since they took charge, and over a full year since RD graced us with his presence at a home game. Unfortunately whilst RD is a very successful businessman, I fear that his leadership style adopted in his businesses and to (likely) delegate to trusted lieutenants, isn't one that will work with a football club. Yes we like a business make a profit or a loss, yes, you can apply sound principles such as operational excellence, lean, cost control etc to parts of the operation, but you cannot treat the fans, the history, the culture and the soul like an item to be audited for EBITDA. This is where RD and KM are missing the point.
RD has via KM spoken of this 'improving the match day experience'. The only thing that will improve mine, and I believe the majority of fans' match day experience is a good performance from the team. I don't care what new pies or outsourced catering arrangements are in place, I care that the training ground at youth set up is academy status ONLY if there is likely to be a team and a club competing in a decent league when it all comes to fruition.
We've had many false dawns that I have wanted to believe in. I put the mess of when they first arrived down to an awkward first date. They arrived with Thuram et al and we lost Powell, but I thought, well Powell's time was probably up anyway, it didn't look like he could keep the team up and I was willing and open to give Riga a chance. Riga's subsequent competence and success led me to believe, hang on, maybe these guys do know what they're doing. Then Riga goes and Peeters comes in. Again, what's going on? Everyone at this point would've taken Riga I think, yet we pluck an unknown from the depths of the Belgian 2nd division and we all wonder what the hell is going on (again).
Yet, Peeters is backed with some investment and we start the season very well. So well that again I am led to believe, hang on, it might work (again). Fast forward to Xmas and the very silly statements about re-investing in the team if we are there or thereabouts in Jan. We weren't, Peeters got fired and the inner workings of how bad we are being run begins to show again with the appointment of GL. The appointment was farcical and lies were an insult. Yet (again), and with the help of some decent results and good end to the season I believed it might be okay.
I was also willing to believe sufficient business had been done and our club was actually on an upward curve given the results and performances up until the end of August. Stupidly I think back to some of my post match comments after Hull referencing potential play off challengers.
I won't fall for it again because RD through KM said that when GL arrived we had got our man. The stability and success starts now (or words to that effect). I feel sorry for Luzon and wasn't one of the fans joining in with the 'sacked in the morning' chants last night. Yet after his bizarre decision to start 3 left backs last night and in the process destroy the morale of another young prospect, questions have to be asked. Questions also have to be asked of our signings this season. Yes we don't seem to have bought in a great number of players, but it appears to me, 2 of them in Bergdich and Ba aren't good enough.
Ba had I think mustered 20 odd games in 3 years of football, and he gets a 3/4 year deal? Others may differ in their opinion of these 2, but for me they are not good enough.
If GL does go, which based on last night wouldn't bother me (Jackson didn't even acknowledge him when he came on), my biggest fear is who they have lurking in the shadows. I won't fall for it again though. We might get a bounce from a new manager, we might get the odd loan and free transfer in Jan. However there are too many things that the current regime have not learnt or aren't interested in understanding about us, the history of the club and ultimately lack of skills they don't seem to have, that makes me think it's best they aren't part of us anymore.
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We're clearly not in a position to be certain that we'll stay in this league. I for one was really confident in this but it looks as if we've been found out and it's clear to me that a number of the decent players we had on the bench last night won't make a big contribution to the season given their reoccurring fitness issues. It'll be interesting and I'm sure extremely frustrating to see how our tosser of an owner gets us out of this one.
I'm pretty sure they couldn't have lasted 60mins last night so how about you wake up to the facts?
The typical thoughts of a Charlton Life user
Month ago: This is a very exciting squad this season let's push on and have a good season.
Now: This recruitment is a mess! I swear I've been telling you all this time, but no! RD never listens does he?
But, anyway, different voices you're conflating there.
'It's a heartache' by Bonnie Tyler. Sums up the club at the moment.
May give RD and KM an idea just how we all feel!
We've took a big step back, considering he counts himself as the saviour of our club and we should be thankful of him and KM, we've gone nowhere but back, mostly off the field but that is most important imo
Then, just now at work opposite Harrods, the bagpiper struck up Mull of Kintyre and I found myself listening to plaintiff skirls coming from across the road, and humming along, with the words to Valley Floyd Road in my head and then there was a moment of clarity as I thought to myself
... that I f*cking hate bagpipes.
Old buildings at Sparrows Lane demolished.
Duchatalet dies immediately.
No money at all.
Building works get cancelled.
Academy goes from Cat 2 to Cat 4 status
Players have to change in a scout's second-hand ridge tent.
Physio's department gets a marquee.
This will be the management team's office:
Pessimist me? What makes you say that?
The merry go round of hog-tied managers is embarrassing as much for us as it is them.
I've never been on board with this whole experiment and it gives me absolutely no joy to keep being proven right. I wasn't enamoured with our start. We played 2 teams who had some good players but had just been jettisoned from the division above. Typical early season results and as it turned out we have been sussed out, again, very early on.
What I will say is anyone hoping for relegation has a very short memory. The division below us is not an easy one to get out of. The best we can hope for unfortunately, is that we stay up somehow and when we inevitably lose our decent squad members and Duchatelet buggers off there is some magician with a brain and a cheque book prepared to support us amd start again.
RD is a total fuckwit.