Does GL actually pick the team or is it RD in his office playing Fantasy Football? How else would one explain putting out a side as imbalanced as he did tonight?
Simple injuries ..... That was the youngest team we have ever put out tonight and the fans were a disgrace , young players need support, Good points tonight Big Mc getting 20 mins , Tariq Dennis and Sarr
Poor , Solly, Cousins and Fox
Grant not ready for a starting role
Sarr? Bloody hell. Give it a rest mate, you're embarrassing yourself now.
@colin1961 I usually agree with some of your points, but you are on a wind up tonight which made me laugh.
Sarr? Is this the same player who misjudged his headers, and slid to win the ball, and then missed it, even though there was no opposition insight? Is this the same Sarr, who is a CB?
The daft old Belgian's biggest experiment was appointing a young solicitor with no experience of management let alone football management as CEO. The experiment failed. She needs to take all the blame and she is who the fans need to turn on hard and quickly in order to save our club.
Spot on. No point having a pop at Luzon. Direct all your anger in her direction. M.Roly has not been at a home game for over a year so no point shouting at him when he's not there.
Dealing with people in that profession, tend to find that if you make it through internship well done, then get to trainee level. Tick the box once, on you go, if not try another firm for second chance. Still a cross then either it's a small practice or a slightly different gainful employ, either voluntarily initially, with an embellished CV or combination of the two. Then walk into an industry which is high publicity and have no great understanding of on a day to day basis and charm offensives that on the whole have disengaged large sections of the customer base in a variety of ways, whilst overseeing ineptitude that has not been addressed and is in many circumstances not the fault of those at the coal face.
Can think of an immediate case study following a mess I and many others are currently witnessing, never mind not really grasping - or indeed attempting to - the history of which there seems to be a reluctance to do so at the highest echelons of the organisation.
The espousation of this around 22.00 was slightly less articulate...
Abject, disappointing, etc.. Yes, it is, and no doubting. I'm no fan of Mr D's Master Plan. My summation of his 'network', within a week of his tenure, was 'The Okey Cokey'; In, Out, In, Out, Shake It All About. I have not changed my mind since. However; no matter how hacked off we are, how can booing the players possibly help matters? If people are really hacked off, why not get imaginative and get stuck in to some real opposition to D's regime? Think for yourselves! Get active and oppose, if that's how pissed off you feel. But to choose to attend and then sing 'You're getting sacked in the morning' and to boo the players? How will that help things? Do you want to sink the ship before the waves have had a chance to overturn us? This is not the CAFC I recognise as 'ours', but it's what is. So we can try and change it. But booing isn't the answer. Is it not better to cheer the players and hope that they can raise their game? People booed Curbishley, and the boo boys won. And look where that got us. How many of you witnessed a sorry and saddened Simon Mackienok, long after the final whistle? He cares, as surely do others. Yes, the players' wages are obscene. The whole damn thing is largely obscene. But we choose to attend. Support the team, if you can. And save your ire for the bosses.
Luzon signed up for this, with Bob Peeters seat still warm with absolutely full knowledge and experience of the operating methods of RD, Starprix and its boring Belgian executives - no sympathy for him what-so-ever.
Seat still warm? Bob was still sitting in it, eating his big Waffly lunch, when Guy pitched up.
And Mrs Luzon thought she was following the Canadian Association of Fire Chiefs when she started following CAFC on Twitter weeks before Big Bob's big boot happened....
I miss Chrissy Powell. He would have taken us down that season but there is no doubt we would have bounced back to the championship the following season and probably still be here now. We would be a mid lower champ club but at least we would have the spirit, the connection, the pride in our club back.
Agree with everything said there except one part: With Roland, someone in hindsight knows very little about English football but still always likes to interfere and showed zero support for him at the time he would have taken us down that season.
You all make me laugh, constantly using Roland as a scapegoat for all that goes wrong. When Luzon was doing well there was rare mention of 'fuck the belgian' but now he is on a poor run we blame Roland. I don't think everything in his nework has gone well but what has changed here, Luzon or Roland? To be fair we do have a very thin squad once again but is this really the blame for our poor performances? Good teams can work with few options. I for one actually admire Roland for staying with the likes of Peeters and now Luzon for what is nowadays quite a long poor streak, whereas at other network clubs like Leeds they don't even try giving managers a fair chance.
Recruitment policy is a total shambles and if you cannot see that I'm amazed.
The daft old Belgian's biggest experiment was appointing a young solicitor with no experience of management let alone football management as CEO. The experiment failed. She needs to take all the blame and she is who the fans need to turn on hard and quickly in order to save our club.
Her job is to do what he says, which she does. I advocated turning on her last year as she is was/is an accessable target, whereas the owner doesn't even come to games. I would have sympathy for her if we did, but I think the owner needs challenging and you have to go for what you can access. Unfortunately she is a valid target. But not her fault - his.
Reckon she needs to go to another supporters club meeting.
This morning I told my mum we just lost 0-3 to a bottom three team and now we are in a relegation battle. She doesn't know what has been going on with us but as soon as I said to her that the owner bought our club with the plan of spending little and making money out of our youth products, she said it's ridiculous. She said anyone considering running a football club should be spending money first and put the hopes of making money out of his mind, because it is a highly risky business and how many football club owners are making profit? My mum is 56 years old, was working as an assistant general manager at a department store before retirement, doesn't read English, watches Premier League matches on TV with me occasionally and reads football news on the internet sometimes. Yet it seems she knows slightly more about the football business than Roland does.
I miss Chrissy Powell. He would have taken us down that season but there is no doubt we would have bounced back to the championship the following season and probably still be here now. We would be a mid lower champ club but at least we would have the spirit, the connection, the pride in our club back.
Big fan of CP as well, but I suspect that even he would have struggled to make anything of the signings made by RD. Nobody with any common sense would go near managing this club at the moment.
I just posted this on the write to KM thread - As we walked back to a hospitality lounge after the match, she walked past us on her way back to the boardroom. She was with a group of her guests and she seemed to be having a wonderful time - she was laughing her head off. As I passed her I told her she needs to spend more on players - she made no comment.
Colin are you for real? We are in a relegation spot with one of our worst performances in years. We have not won an away game since March. We have not won a home game since Hull. Where is our next win coming from? I couldn't sleep last night because I was still seething, I am still seriously pissed off this morning.
Colin are you for real? We are in a relegation spot with one of our worst performances in years. We have not won an away game since March. We have not won a home game since Hull. Where is our next win coming from? I couldn't sleep last night because I was still seething, I am still seriously pissed off this morning.
Haha, respect you for changing your opinion with the times changing, takes a man to do so swallowing their pride. It's a shame on what it is we're agreeing on though, I'd much rather have love for my owners than a hatred/strong dislike.
What a shame all my fears are coming true, I just hope KM doesn't eat her words again with Roland sacking GL soon - it would be beyond parody.
Ha hello mate.
I think the thing that's changed my mind is seeing how thin our squad is tonight and it highlighting the opportunity RD had to build something good. He's now had multiple opportunities to do so and let it slip him by. I can take or leave KM, she's obviously got her hands tied but done herself no favours in the last few months. I'm more pissed off that GL will get hung out to dry. People say he knew what he let himself in for but we don't know the bollocks he was fed by the Belgians before taking the role.
I don't regret defending the owners in the past, I honestly felt the club could go somewhere under them but i can't handle the same obvious and simple mistakes being made. Enough is enough.
Excellent post, pretty much sums up how i've felt about it all. Genuinely believed that RD knew what he was doing, wouldn't have invested so much money improving the pitch, academy etc if he didn't have some master plan. However it's become pretty clear now that he's got no plan whatsoever.
Unfortunately it will be Luzon that takes the blame even though with a decent squad, he has the makings of a manager that could've done well for us.
I'm more pissed off that GL will get hung out to dry. People say he knew what he let himself in for but we don't know the bollocks he was fed by the Belgians before taking the role.
Agree, he can't be blamed for a lot of what is happening as he inherited most of it. And cannot blame him for taking the role. A decent club side in one of the best leagues in the world, a chance to do things. But he has been exposed - always likely to happen under RD - and will be jettisoned as soon as RD decides it will appease fans and as soon as he finds a managerial reject from another part of his empire to play with.
Luzon signed up for this, with Bob Peeters seat still warm with absolutely full knowledge and experience of the operating methods of RD, Starprix and its boring Belgian executives - no sympathy for him what-so-ever.
Luzon signed up for this, with Bob Peeters seat still warm with absolutely full knowledge and experience of the operating methods of RD, Starprix and its boring Belgian executives - no sympathy for him what-so-ever.
We dont know what shite he was fed. The fans get told complete lies, so i can believe the new Head Coach would be too.
I don't know how many fall into the same boat as me, but I have stood in defence of RD/KM for a while because I wanted it to work and was grateful for them picking up the bill post Slater/TJ and the financial mess we were in at the time.
End of Dec/Jan will be two full years since they took charge, and over a full year since RD graced us with his presence at a home game. Unfortunately whilst RD is a very successful businessman, I fear that his leadership style adopted in his businesses and to (likely) delegate to trusted lieutenants, isn't one that will work with a football club. Yes we like a business make a profit or a loss, yes, you can apply sound principles such as operational excellence, lean, cost control etc to parts of the operation, but you cannot treat the fans, the history, the culture and the soul like an item to be audited for EBITDA. This is where RD and KM are missing the point.
RD has via KM spoken of this 'improving the match day experience'. The only thing that will improve mine, and I believe the majority of fans' match day experience is a good performance from the team. I don't care what new pies or outsourced catering arrangements are in place, I care that the training ground at youth set up is academy status ONLY if there is likely to be a team and a club competing in a decent league when it all comes to fruition.
We've had many false dawns that I have wanted to believe in. I put the mess of when they first arrived down to an awkward first date. They arrived with Thuram et al and we lost Powell, but I thought, well Powell's time was probably up anyway, it didn't look like he could keep the team up and I was willing and open to give Riga a chance. Riga's subsequent competence and success led me to believe, hang on, maybe these guys do know what they're doing. Then Riga goes and Peeters comes in. Again, what's going on? Everyone at this point would've taken Riga I think, yet we pluck an unknown from the depths of the Belgian 2nd division and we all wonder what the hell is going on (again).
Yet, Peeters is backed with some investment and we start the season very well. So well that again I am led to believe, hang on, it might work (again). Fast forward to Xmas and the very silly statements about re-investing in the team if we are there or thereabouts in Jan. We weren't, Peeters got fired and the inner workings of how bad we are being run begins to show again with the appointment of GL. The appointment was farcical and lies were an insult. Yet (again), and with the help of some decent results and good end to the season I believed it might be okay.
I was also willing to believe sufficient business had been done and our club was actually on an upward curve given the results and performances up until the end of August. Stupidly I think back to some of my post match comments after Hull referencing potential play off challengers.
I won't fall for it again because RD through KM said that when GL arrived we had got our man. The stability and success starts now (or words to that effect). I feel sorry for Luzon and wasn't one of the fans joining in with the 'sacked in the morning' chants last night. Yet after his bizarre decision to start 3 left backs last night and in the process destroy the morale of another young prospect, questions have to be asked. Questions also have to be asked of our signings this season. Yes we don't seem to have bought in a great number of players, but it appears to me, 2 of them in Bergdich and Ba aren't good enough.
Ba had I think mustered 20 odd games in 3 years of football, and he gets a 3/4 year deal? Others may differ in their opinion of these 2, but for me they are not good enough.
If GL does go, which based on last night wouldn't bother me (Jackson didn't even acknowledge him when he came on), my biggest fear is who they have lurking in the shadows. I won't fall for it again though. We might get a bounce from a new manager, we might get the odd loan and free transfer in Jan. However there are too many things that the current regime have not learnt or aren't interested in understanding about us, the history of the club and ultimately lack of skills they don't seem to have, that makes me think it's best they aren't part of us anymore.
I don't know how many fall into the same boat as me, but I have stood in defence of RD/KM for a while because I wanted it to work and was grateful for them picking up the bill post Slater/TJ and the financial mess we were in at the time.
End of Dec/Jan will be two full years since they took charge, and over a full year since RD graced us with his presence at a home game. Unfortunately whilst RD is a very successful businessman, I fear that his leadership style adopted in his businesses and to (likely) delegate to trusted lieutenants, isn't one that will work with a football club. Yes we like a business make a profit or a loss, yes, you can apply sound principles such as operational excellence, lean, cost control etc to parts of the operation, but you cannot treat the fans, the history, the culture and the soul like an item to be audited for EBITDA. This is where RD and KM are missing the point.
RD has via KM spoken of this 'improving the match day experience'. The only thing that will improve mine, and I believe the majority of fans' match day experience is a good performance from the team. I don't care what new pies or outsourced catering arrangements are in place, I care that the training ground at youth set up is academy status ONLY if there is likely to be a team and a club competing in a decent league when it all comes to fruition.
We've had many false dawns that I have wanted to believe in. I put the mess of when they first arrived down to an awkward first date. They arrived with Thuram et al and we lost Powell, but I thought, well Powell's time was probably up anyway, it didn't look like he could keep the team up and I was willing and open to give Riga a chance. Riga's subsequent competence and success led me to believe, hang on, maybe these guys do know what they're doing. Then Riga goes and Peeters comes in. Again, what's going on? Everyone at this point would've taken Riga I think, yet we pluck an unknown from the depths of the Belgian 2nd division and we all wonder what the hell is going on (again).
Yet, Peeters is backed with some investment and we start the season very well. So well that again I am led to believe, hang on, it might work (again). Fast forward to Xmas and the very silly statements about re-investing in the team if we are there or thereabouts in Jan. We weren't, Peeters got fired and the inner workings of how bad we are being run begins to show again with the appointment of GL. The appointment was farcical and lies were an insult. Yet (again), and with the help of some decent results and good end to the season I believed it might be okay.
I was also willing to believe sufficient business had been done and our club was actually on an upward curve given the results and performances up until the end of August. Stupidly I think back to some of my post match comments after Hull referencing potential play off challengers.
I won't fall for it again because RD through KM said that when GL arrived we had got our man. The stability and success starts now (or words to that effect). I feel sorry for Luzon and wasn't one of the fans joining in with the 'sacked in the morning' chants last night. Yet after his bizarre decision to start 3 left backs last night and in the process destroy the morale of another young prospect, questions have to be asked. Questions also have to be asked of our signings this season. Yes we don't seem to have bought in a great number of players, but it appears to me, 2 of them in Bergdich and Ba aren't good enough.
Ba had I think mustered 20 odd games in 3 years of football, and he gets a 3/4 year deal? Others may differ in their opinion of these 2, but for me they are not good enough.
If GL does go, which based on last night wouldn't bother me (Jackson didn't even acknowledge him when he came on), my biggest fear is who they have lurking in the shadows. I won't fall for it again though. We might get a bounce from a new manager, we might get the odd loan and free transfer in Jan. However there are too many things that the current regime have not learnt or aren't interested in understanding about us, the history of the club and ultimately lack of skills they don't seem to have, that makes me think it's best they aren't part of us anymore.
Could not agree more. Exactly how I'm feeling this morning. Walking away last night, my 8 year old asked me why he had to support Charlton. I explained its the club I love, the club your Grandad played & worked for. It upset me to be honest. Feel really disillusioned this morning. I wish my boy was around in the Prem days, the 70s, 80s, proper players that ran through brick walls, played with injuries but gave everything for the shirt. Sad today but will be there Saturday. Up the Addicks
Maybe they could at least respect us as fans and paying customers enough to explain the plan. I appreciate we must be incredibly stupid not to get it, but if we understood it would surely help!
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Sarr? Is this the same player who misjudged his headers, and slid to win the ball, and then missed it, even though there was no opposition insight? Is this the same Sarr, who is a CB?
Can think of an immediate case study following a mess I and many others are currently witnessing, never mind not really grasping - or indeed attempting to - the history of which there seems to be a reluctance to do so at the highest echelons of the organisation.
The espousation of this around 22.00 was slightly less articulate...
I'm no fan of Mr D's Master Plan. My summation of his 'network', within a week of his tenure, was 'The Okey Cokey'; In, Out, In, Out, Shake It All About.
I have not changed my mind since.
However; no matter how hacked off we are, how can booing the players possibly help matters? If people are really hacked off, why not get imaginative and get stuck in to some real opposition to D's regime? Think for yourselves! Get active and oppose, if that's how pissed off you feel. But to choose to attend and then sing 'You're getting sacked in the morning' and to boo the players? How will that help things? Do you want to sink the ship before the waves have had a chance to overturn us?
This is not the CAFC I recognise as 'ours', but it's what is. So we can try and change it.
But booing isn't the answer. Is it not better to cheer the players and hope that they can raise their game?
People booed Curbishley, and the boo boys won. And look where that got us.
How many of you witnessed a sorry and saddened Simon Mackienok, long after the final whistle? He cares, as surely do others. Yes, the players' wages are obscene. The whole damn thing is largely obscene. But we choose to attend.
Support the team, if you can. And save your ire for the bosses.
I couldn't sleep last night because I was still seething, I am still seriously pissed off this morning.
Excellent post, pretty much sums up how i've felt about it all. Genuinely believed that RD knew what he was doing, wouldn't have invested so much money improving the pitch, academy etc if he didn't have some master plan. However it's become pretty clear now that he's got no plan whatsoever.
Unfortunately it will be Luzon that takes the blame even though with a decent squad, he has the makings of a manager that could've done well for us.
For a young goalkeeper to hear that must have filled him full of confidence, I don't think!
FO and support Millwall you morons!
End of Dec/Jan will be two full years since they took charge, and over a full year since RD graced us with his presence at a home game. Unfortunately whilst RD is a very successful businessman, I fear that his leadership style adopted in his businesses and to (likely) delegate to trusted lieutenants, isn't one that will work with a football club. Yes we like a business make a profit or a loss, yes, you can apply sound principles such as operational excellence, lean, cost control etc to parts of the operation, but you cannot treat the fans, the history, the culture and the soul like an item to be audited for EBITDA. This is where RD and KM are missing the point.
RD has via KM spoken of this 'improving the match day experience'. The only thing that will improve mine, and I believe the majority of fans' match day experience is a good performance from the team. I don't care what new pies or outsourced catering arrangements are in place, I care that the training ground at youth set up is academy status ONLY if there is likely to be a team and a club competing in a decent league when it all comes to fruition.
We've had many false dawns that I have wanted to believe in. I put the mess of when they first arrived down to an awkward first date. They arrived with Thuram et al and we lost Powell, but I thought, well Powell's time was probably up anyway, it didn't look like he could keep the team up and I was willing and open to give Riga a chance. Riga's subsequent competence and success led me to believe, hang on, maybe these guys do know what they're doing. Then Riga goes and Peeters comes in. Again, what's going on? Everyone at this point would've taken Riga I think, yet we pluck an unknown from the depths of the Belgian 2nd division and we all wonder what the hell is going on (again).
Yet, Peeters is backed with some investment and we start the season very well. So well that again I am led to believe, hang on, it might work (again). Fast forward to Xmas and the very silly statements about re-investing in the team if we are there or thereabouts in Jan. We weren't, Peeters got fired and the inner workings of how bad we are being run begins to show again with the appointment of GL. The appointment was farcical and lies were an insult. Yet (again), and with the help of some decent results and good end to the season I believed it might be okay.
I was also willing to believe sufficient business had been done and our club was actually on an upward curve given the results and performances up until the end of August. Stupidly I think back to some of my post match comments after Hull referencing potential play off challengers.
I won't fall for it again because RD through KM said that when GL arrived we had got our man. The stability and success starts now (or words to that effect). I feel sorry for Luzon and wasn't one of the fans joining in with the 'sacked in the morning' chants last night. Yet after his bizarre decision to start 3 left backs last night and in the process destroy the morale of another young prospect, questions have to be asked. Questions also have to be asked of our signings this season. Yes we don't seem to have bought in a great number of players, but it appears to me, 2 of them in Bergdich and Ba aren't good enough.
Ba had I think mustered 20 odd games in 3 years of football, and he gets a 3/4 year deal? Others may differ in their opinion of these 2, but for me they are not good enough.
If GL does go, which based on last night wouldn't bother me (Jackson didn't even acknowledge him when he came on), my biggest fear is who they have lurking in the shadows. I won't fall for it again though. We might get a bounce from a new manager, we might get the odd loan and free transfer in Jan. However there are too many things that the current regime have not learnt or aren't interested in understanding about us, the history of the club and ultimately lack of skills they don't seem to have, that makes me think it's best they aren't part of us anymore.