Heard it is going to be flats but we need to now make sure The Bugle Horn is kept as a well supported community pub that does not go the same way. I was in there tonight and it looks like they have a lot to offer for the future - Stephen the new manager is a Charlton fan as well so that is a good sign. Would be sad if there was not at least one thriving pub in Charlton village in the new season.
Someone on The Save the white swan FB page said it's been bought by a company called Mendoza Limited registered in the Isle of Man. I just googled them, not good.
Someone on The Save the white swan FB page said it's been bought by a company called Mendoza Limited registered in the Isle of Man. I just googled them, not good.
Soon be flats sadly. Beautiful old building that.
My view as well, I attended a working group meeting,in December/January. Have to say that it seems up to the council to decide what it wishes to do? It has the right to refuse change of use, but will it?. Cllr Fahy was on that group so we shall see what intentions the local politician's have to the community? Probably best to regroup and support the Bugle, but I am not a local, just a very occasional visitor there. As Vincenzo post's the Village could be without a pub this time next year. Having lost the Valley pub, ( my local when I was living at Springfields) and apparently my late father's favourite pub the Swan.... it would indeed be tragic.
The Swan was my place for a pre match tipple since we were in the Premier League...and I was old enough to drink, sort of. At the beginning of this season I stopped going there, the reasons being:
1. Despite having been done up a few years back the place is dirty. The final straw was when it stunk of piss prior to the Wolves game on a Tuesday night. 2. The beer is pretty crap, when it did have ale on it was of a poor standard so I mostly stuck to lager...saying that on the few occasions I've been to the Bugle it's no better. 3. The number of people going has dwindled (at a far higher rate than match-day attendances) and now the pre match atmosphere is lacking.
I would not rule out ever going back, and if this "community asset" venture is successful then it would be a perfect opportunity to have a well run Charlton pub to go to before the game.
If I'd of known that my decision to switch pre match pub allegiances at the start of the season would have had these ramifications I wouldn't have done so.
On a serious note this is very sad news. I have no knowledge of planning laws but is there a chance that if enough people didn't support a change of use application it could be turned down? Or is it too late for that.
People might be interested in this on the facebook page......http://savethewhiteswanse7.uk/2014/12/22/save-the-white-swan-campaign-featured-on-radio-5-live/ I think it is Dale Ingram who suggests that the council could refuse permission of change of use from a pub. But I think and I may be wrong the council does have the right to refuse change of use. Of course wether the RBG would want to take this on is a matter of opinion.? Mark J Dodds who posts on here will have a far more experienced opinion than myself.
God knows it's got to be more than five over the last five years, the guy who is supposed to be opening up today was just working there, the young Irish manager said he doesn't want to know anymore.
I think it's safe to say that the White Swan is finally finished as a pub now. Photographed about an hour ago - similar concrete blocks around the side entrance as well.
I think it's safe to say that the White Swan is finally finished as a pub now. Photographed about an hour ago - similar concrete blocks around the side entrance as well.
I think it's safe to say that the White Swan is finally finished as a pub now. Photographed about an hour ago - similar concrete blocks around the side entrance as well.
I think it's safe to say that the White Swan is finally finished as a pub now. Photographed about an hour ago - similar concrete blocks around the side entrance as well.
Wasn't the last we heard that The White Swan was now closed permanently before being converted into flats ? Guv'nor and staff decamped the The a Bugle Horn ?
The Swan is shut now. The property company that now own it have got it up for lease for 35k a year so its down to whether someone will take that on? You never know.
The Swan is shut now. The property company that now own it have got it up for lease for 35k a year so its down to whether someone will take that on? You never know.
Bugle was ok. Sky Sports, but no BT Sports. We wanted to see the Man U game , so left and went to the Fans Bar. This was good, although pints in there are £4.10/£4.20.
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Soon be flats sadly. Beautiful old building that.
It has the right to refuse change of use, but will it?. Cllr Fahy was on that group so we shall see what intentions the local politician's have to the community?
Probably best to regroup and support the Bugle, but I am not a local, just a very occasional visitor there. As Vincenzo post's the Village could be without a pub this time next year. Having lost the Valley pub, ( my local when I was living at Springfields) and apparently my late father's favourite pub the Swan.... it would indeed be tragic.
On a serious note this is very sad news. I have no knowledge of planning laws but is there a chance that if enough people didn't support a change of use application it could be turned down? Or is it too late for that.
You might be right. Will Greenwich Council say no to flats? Hopefully the group will get together and lobby them.
I don't drink in the Village anymore after moving a few years ago, not far mind but just don't go as much.
But I think and I may be wrong the council does have the right to refuse change of use. Of course wether the RBG would want to take this on is a matter of opinion.?
Mark J Dodds who posts on here will have a far more experienced opinion than myself.
The Bugle is open.
Otherwise I might try the Radical.
Was told there are squatters in the Con club.
We wanted to see the Man U game , so left and went to the Fans Bar. This was good, although pints in there are £4.10/£4.20.
good news