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  • I also think it highly unlikely that he has seen a "procession of Albanians stroll in" to his local hospital as Albania is not a member of the EU!
  • Chaz Hill said:

    I also think it highly unlikely that he has seen a "procession of Albanians stroll in" to his local hospital as Albania is not a member of the EU!

    Have you seen the queues outside Medway Maritime at visiting time?

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  • colthe3rd said:

    Let me answer for him. No it's not true.

    Out of interest Colt - where do you live?
  • colthe3rd said:

    Let me answer for him. No it's not true.

    Out of interest Colt - where do you live?
    Not that it really matters but East London, I grew up in Medway and still go back each month.
  • Yes it is true, all of what I mentioned is not in any way fabricated. Point out the untrue bits please
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    Ok so to get my melon around why that's been flagged for an administrator to look at is because you or someone thinks I am lying?
  • No, because you have described "lots of Eastern Europeans" as "dirty bastards". That's derogatory bordering on racism.

    And it isn't true. Point me in the direction of any articles on child sex racketeering? A quick Google news search on the keywords "Paedophile" and "Kent" brings back many articles and nearly all of them involving white British men.

    As has already been pointed out it is unlikely that a "procession of Albanians" have been seen before you whilst waiting at the GPs surgery. Let's say for arguments sake they are from Eastern Europe, in all likelihood they pay National Insurance contributions so should they not be allowed to see a doctor?

    Finally, won't someone think of the poor scrap metal merchants? So what if they have some competition? The part I have a problem with is the accusation that "lots of astern Europeans" are stealing the bolts out of gates or stealing roof racks. Assuming these things have happened, how do you know it was Eastern Europeans?

    I could go on but that's a short explanation of some of the reasons I had for flagging your post.
  • I am sure this will be helpful for all !

    http://www.ukipsum.co.uk/
  • edited December 2014
    I am a UKIP supporter and I do accept some of you are not UKIP supporters for various of reasons but the myths these lefties point out about UKIP are ridiculous and they fail to get their facts right. UKIP are not a racist party or homophobic at all, UKIP has different ethinic people in their party and they also have gay people in their party, one of them is a MEP.

    To those who don't like UKIP, let me ask you a question: Do you support open door immigration? If you do then vote for LibLabCon, if you don't then UKIP your only answer. Reason being is whilist we are in the EU we can not control our immigration because we are part of club whose policy is called The European free act of Movement. David Cameron is wasting his time and treating the British people like fools because it is non-negotiable acording to the EU.

    Most UKIP supporters support immigration but we need to control it better and the only way we can do this is leave the EU which is our only option otherwise this immigration debate is going to drag on.
  • colthe3rd said:

    No, because you have described "lots of Eastern Europeans" as "dirty bastards". That's derogatory bordering on racism.

    And it isn't true. Point me in the direction of any articles on child sex racketeering? A quick Google news search on the keywords "Paedophile" and "Kent" brings back many articles and nearly all of them involving white British men.

    As has already been pointed out it is unlikely that a "procession of Albanians" have been seen before you whilst waiting at the GPs surgery. Let's say for arguments sake they are from Eastern Europe, in all likelihood they pay National Insurance contributions so should they not be allowed to see a doctor?

    Finally, won't someone think of the poor scrap metal merchants? So what if they have some competition? The part I have a problem with is the accusation that "lots of astern Europeans" are stealing the bolts out of gates or stealing roof racks. Assuming these things have happened, how do you know it was Eastern Europeans?

    I could go on but that's a short explanation of some of the reasons I had for flagging your post.

    Ok you are not going to find articles on child sex racketeering for the same reasons you won't find results on a lot of things going through whatever legal hoops they have to go through as they are processed, similar to cases like baby p and Victoria climbe or the last atrocity in Rotherham. Trust me it's going on. Believe me or don't believe me I care not.

    And anyone going through bins is a dirty bastard. It has only become a problem in Chatham in the last decade and you can find as much evidence as your heart desires on YouTube. They are not doing it for food, they are doing it to gather documents that hold personal details. And when they draw a blank guess where all the shit is left?

    I don't think I said they shouldn't see a doctor but is it not reasonable to expect them to turn up on time to do so?

    Now for the hilarity around the scrap metal vans. I know this because when I was fitting my kitchen I caught red-handed a husband and wife couple doing just that to my neighbours gate and to my plasterers car. They were eastern European.

    If that makes me racist I could not give a shit. Flag away
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  • Here are some more questions:

    What do UKIP say about the possibility of 2 million British people living in Europe all deciding to return at more or less the same time (which might be an unintended consequence of leaving the EU)?

    If the returning two million are balanced out by removing two million what do UKIP say about the redundancy payments to all the non Brits kicked out of their jobs, and what do UKIP say about filling those jobs?

    What are 'British Values' (which UKIP say will be taught in schools), and how do they differ from civilized values?


  • The UKIP argument concentrates on immigration but ignores things like TTIP (Transatlantic Trade Investment Protocol) which allows foreign multinationals to sue governments or councils if council or government policies cause a loss of profit by Investor State Dispute Settlements. It allows unelected transnational corporations to dictate policies on democratically elected governments.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30493297

    https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/pages/ttip_more_information

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/what-is-ttip-and-six-reasons-why-the-answer-should-scare-you-9779688.html

    Add in the problems with Corporate tax 'arrangements'.

    The impacts of these things on people is very strong.

    UKIP focus on immigration but say nothing or very little about these things such as TTIP or corporate tax arrangements. Leaving the EU will do nothing about these problems.
  • I'm not sure UKIP would be kicking people out.
  • OK. If UKIP don't kick people out, and the 2million Brits return, what is their policy for that eventuality?
  • Why would they all have to return? You think the other European countries would kick them out? I'm not so sure.

  • He's making it up
  • I don't follow the kicking out argument at all. There are plenty of immigrants that UKIP wouldnt want to kick out even if there are some that they (UKIP) might feel that way about, although it is not apparently their policy. But the idea that 2m expat Brits would be forced to repatriate from a selection of foreign countries seems utter nonsense to me. Countries with space will continue to welcome migrants who have a positive economic impact. Why wouldn't they? Same is true of the UK the only difference being that UK is relatively small geographically for the size of the current population and therefore does appear to those who have lived here for a certain time to be becoming somewhat overcrowded.
  • Stu UKIP often say the basis for their concern is that membership of the EU means we have an open door to 500 million people who could come here, and they set the pulses of voters racing with stuff like that. So using the same approach I am asking how they would manage the return of all 2million Brits. 500 million people coming here, or 2 million, are both equally unlikely in practice, but UKIP argues about the sustainable numbers. How many EU nationals above 2 million have come here? Is the balance really skew whiff?
    According to that vile rag the Daily Mail the difference is about 300.000:


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2172345/2-33m-EU-migrants-living-Britain-Only-Spain-Germany-popular-UK.html

    Or that communist rag the Daily Telegraph on benefits:


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11255425/How-much-do-immigrants-really-claim-in-benefits.html

    The last paragraph is interesting, it says:

    What does this all mean? It suggests that whatever the arguments for and against reducing the number of EU migrants receiving British benefits, delivering such a reduction wouldn’t make a significant difference to the overall welfare bill which is estimated to be £208 billion for the year 2013-14. And seeing as the take-up of benefits among migrants is so small, it’s also worth asking how big of a draw Britain’s welfare system really is.

    A lot of the detail does not back up UKIP's stance, but does that really matter? As I have said before, they are trading on peoples pissed offness and in that regard all they have to do is exploit that feeling to get votes, detailed policies don't matter to them.

  • If that is the case it should be an easy problem for the main parties to solve, right?

    As someone who will almost certainly never live here long again, I guess I cannot be as informed as needed for this discussion. I've been back for a few months and really can't wait to leave but from what I've seen I worry for my family, especially my younger sister.

    I don't think UKIP will solve the problems I've come across but who will.
  • Chaz Hill said:

    I also think it highly unlikely that he has seen a "procession of Albanians stroll in" to his local hospital as Albania is not a member of the EU!


    The comment I used was pretty obviously a loose one. And are you sure? So nobody who is not from the EU uses hospitals here?

    Glad I excited you to the point of exclamation marks though

    Go and sit in the waiting room at Medway hospital for an hour and report back on what you observe. Keep your blinkers on by all means if you wish or see the chaos up that place your call.
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  • edited December 2014
    Addickted said:

    Chaz Hill said:

    I also think it highly unlikely that he has seen a "procession of Albanians stroll in" to his local hospital as Albania is not a member of the EU!

    Have you seen the queues outside Medway Maritime at visiting time?

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    This is a photo of the funeral procession of children who drowned whilst being chased into a river by. Serbian Militia.

    Sick
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  • I hadn't meant to like it, touch screen phone. Nor can I claim I knew what it was.
  • IAgree said:

    If that is the case it should be an easy problem for the main parties to solve, right?

    As someone who will almost certainly never live here long again, I guess I cannot be as informed as needed for this discussion. I've been back for a few months and really can't wait to leave but from what I've seen I worry for my family, especially my younger sister.

    I don't think UKIP will solve the problems I've come across but who will.

    A great loss to the nation - Bye - don't write!
    Read back what you have just said and have a word with yourself.
  • Carter said:

    IAgree said:

    If that is the case it should be an easy problem for the main parties to solve, right?

    As someone who will almost certainly never live here long again, I guess I cannot be as informed as needed for this discussion. I've been back for a few months and really can't wait to leave but from what I've seen I worry for my family, especially my younger sister.

    I don't think UKIP will solve the problems I've come across but who will.

    A great loss to the nation - Bye - don't write!
    Read back what you have just said and have a word with yourself.
    Good advice you yourself
  • @IAgree‌ you need to calm your shit down boy.

    The man explained he pressed the like button by accident. Very few people would have known what that photograph was.
    IAgree said:

    Carter said:

    IAgree said:

    If that is the case it should be an easy problem for the main parties to solve, right?

    As someone who will almost certainly never live here long again, I guess I cannot be as informed as needed for this discussion. I've been back for a few months and really can't wait to leave but from what I've seen I worry for my family, especially my younger sister.

    I don't think UKIP will solve the problems I've come across but who will.

    A great loss to the nation - Bye - don't write!
    Read back what you have just said and have a word with yourself.
    Good advice you yourself

    And that makes no sense at all
  • My grandad had the right idea about Europe.
  • edited December 2014
    Carter said:

    @IAgree‌ you need to calm your shit down boy.

    The man explained he pressed the like button by accident. Very few people would have known what that photograph was.

    IAgree said:

    Carter said:

    IAgree said:

    If that is the case it should be an easy problem for the main parties to solve, right?

    As someone who will almost certainly never live here long again, I guess I cannot be as informed as needed for this discussion. I've been back for a few months and really can't wait to leave but from what I've seen I worry for my family, especially my younger sister.

    I don't think UKIP will solve the problems I've come across but who will.

    A great loss to the nation - Bye - don't write!
    Read back what you have just said and have a word with yourself.
    Good advice you yourself

    And that makes no sense at all
    You original post was a hate filled , grossly exaggerated, xenhobic rant.

    BTW Don't call me "boy" or tell me to " calm my shiit " !

    I have now amended my post.

    Hundred of eastern Europeans marching with sad expressions with photos of children at the head? Doesn't take a genius.

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