really so a net increase of 250,00 people per year has no affect on the roads ? wow ---so they get about how ?
and as we know this net increase of 1 MILLION people every 4 years has no detrimental affects at all ---no added perssure on the NHS,no pressure on to hospitals, DRs waiting lists, schools, or housing, and your saying Farage is deluded !!!!
Labour says voting UKIP is worse than men of mainly Pakistani heritage raping children.
They took children away from UKIP voters but did nothing about childhood rape in Rotherham so that proves it.
I await the howls of protest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But if you take a step back is the above statement so very different from saying that roads are busier because of population growth, the main contributor to population growth is unfettered immigration?
Both statements are absurd but one is allowed to ridicule Farage but not Labour from what I can see....
really so a net increase of 250,00 people per year has no affect on the roads ? wow ---so they get about how ?
and as we know this net increase of 1 MILLION people every 4 years has no detrimental affects at all ---no added perssure on the NHS,no pressure on to hospitals, DRs waiting lists, schools, or housing, and your saying Farage is deluded !!!!
But it's generally anecdotal evidence. People perceive that the obvious, more people = more cars is true. Similar to the NHS, yes I'd imagine there are more people using the NHS but we have more working so NI contributions will be up which (unless I'm mistaken) goes to fund the NHS (as well as plenty other taxes). Not to forget that generally immigrants are younger and so less likely to need to use the NHS.
But lets ignore that and go with what we perceive to be the case.
really so a net increase of 250,00 people per year has no affect on the roads ? wow ---so they get about how ?
and as we know this net increase of 1 MILLION people every 4 years has no detrimental affects at all ---no added perssure on the NHS,no pressure on to hospitals, DRs waiting lists, schools, or housing, and your saying Farage is deluded !!!!
thing is they are all potential Labour voters .. The Labour party loves new immigrants for that reason, the Tories are terrified of losing the existing 'immigrant vote' and of being labelled 'racist' .. The immigration door to Britain, like Pandora's box is wide open, has been open for a long time and only the more extreme measures will even partly close it. Settled immigrants and further large numbers of immigrants are a fact of life, will continue to be so, and we all have to come to terms with that fact
The Poles and Eastern Europeans know what its like under Socialism. If the Tories had the gonads they could capture a hell of alot of the "newcomers" vote by giving it large " Vote Labour get Socialism".
really so a net increase of 250,00 people per year has no affect on the roads ? wow ---so they get about how ?
and as we know this net increase of 1 MILLION people every 4 years has no detrimental affects at all ---no added perssure on the NHS,no pressure on to hospitals, DRs waiting lists, schools, or housing, and your saying Farage is deluded !!!!
thing is they are all potential Labour voters .. The Labour party loves new immigrants for that reason, the Tories are terrified of losing the existing 'immigrant vote' and of being labelled 'racist' .. The immigration door to Britain, like Pandora's box is wide open, has been open for a long time and only the more extreme measures will even partly close it. Settled immigrants and further large numbers of immigrants are a fact of life, will continue to be so, and we all have to come to terms with that fact
Immigrants can't vote in Parliamentary elections unless they become resident (or they're Irish or count as commonwealth). Commonwealth and EU citizens can vote in local and EU elections. I've never understood this argument that Labour wanted migration on a grand scale to boost their chances, when in the election that actually matters immigrants can't vote.
Perhaps that's the real reason the Tories haven't run with Goonerhater's suggestion - it would be a waste of money targetting people who can't vote and would make them a laughing stock among the natives who see Labour as being Tory-lite.
Surely the real reason Labour wanted increased immigration is because it is what global capitalism demands and they were too scared to disobey? (Likewise the current Tory govt said they would reduce immigration but have failed, while causing damage to the UK's reputation for Higher Education etc by the measures they thought might work).
Everyone seems to agree that there are too many people in the country - but I wonder what the ideal population would be?
Shouldn't we be aiming to get it back down to 30 or even 25 million somehow - perhaps by offering incentives to emigrate or not have children?
School class sizes would be halved and A & E departments would have spare capacity even on Friday nights . Motorways would run freely and everyone could get a seat on the train in the rush hour.
Everyone seems to agree that there are too many people in the country - but I wonder what the ideal population would be?
Shouldn't we be aiming to get it back down to 30 or even 25 million somehow - perhaps by offering incentives to emigrate or not have children?
School class sizes would be halved and A & E departments would have spare capacity even on Friday nights . Motorways would run freely and everyone could get a seat on the train in the rush hour.
Crowds at the Valley might dip a bit though!
That Logan's Run was a good film. Oh sorry, wrong thread!
really so a net increase of 250,00 people per year has no affect on the roads ? wow ---so they get about how ?
and as we know this net increase of 1 MILLION people every 4 years has no detrimental affects at all ---no added perssure on the NHS,no pressure on to hospitals, DRs waiting lists, schools, or housing, and your saying Farage is deluded !!!!
But it's generally anecdotal evidence. People perceive that the obvious, more people = more cars is true. Similar to the NHS, yes I'd imagine there are more people using the NHS but we have more working so NI contributions will be up which (unless I'm mistaken) goes to fund the NHS (as well as plenty other taxes). Not to forget that generally immigrants are younger and so less likely to need to use the NHS.
But lets ignore that and go with what we perceive to be the case.
54% of the increase in population is due to net migration according to research.
If you ignore the increase due to births, since they will not yet have driving licences, a good part of the increase in traffic is down to an increase in the number of drivers which in turn is partly down to the increase in population of which immigration plays a significant part. Not sure I would think of blaming immigrants for traffic congestion, but if you are looking for examples of where infrastructure is at breaking point to support the case for controlling immigration then our roads are not an unreasonable example.
It is essentially a political point of view that generates anti-racist hyperbole.
On the subject of breastfeeding, Claridges is doing little more than setting out their wishes on how customers conduct themselves on their premises where bodily functions are involved. Breast feeding is a very personal and private activity. We go to the toilet in private we normally pick our nose and fart in private. Doesn't mean there's anything wrong or unnatural about these activities any more than breast feeding. We don't have glass walled WCs in the middle of a restaurant because it would not be in keeping with the ambience. Breast feeding without a discreet shawl is not in keeping with the ambience and no reason why Claridges shouldn't offer the mother a suitable napkin or a more discreet place to feed her baby.
Ostentatious breast feeding is likely to be seen as showing-off and provokes reactions that are reactions to the insensitivities being displayed rather than the bosom. Most couldn't care, but those who do, end up in an argument around which takes precedence, the right to be offended, or the obligation not to take offence. Perversely, we have those of a liberal outlook who are easily offended reversing their moral compass and siding with the obligation not to be offended.
Politicians are on a hiding to nothing if they express a view on breast feeding and it's nothing to do with politics, so best keep the mouth shut, not Farage's forte.
really so a net increase of 250,00 people per year has no affect on the roads ? wow ---so they get about how ?
and as we know this net increase of 1 MILLION people every 4 years has no detrimental affects at all ---no added perssure on the NHS,no pressure on to hospitals, DRs waiting lists, schools, or housing, and your saying Farage is deluded !!!!
But it's generally anecdotal evidence. People perceive that the obvious, more people = more cars is true. Similar to the NHS, yes I'd imagine there are more people using the NHS but we have more working so NI contributions will be up which (unless I'm mistaken) goes to fund the NHS (as well as plenty other taxes). Not to forget that generally immigrants are younger and so less likely to need to use the NHS.
But lets ignore that and go with what we perceive to be the case.
54% of the increase in population is due to net migration according to research.
If you ignore the increase due to births, since they will not yet have driving licences, a good part of the increase in traffic is down to an increase in the number of drivers which in turn is partly down to the increase in population of which immigration plays a significant part. Not sure I would think of blaming immigrants for traffic congestion, but if you are looking for examples of where infrastructure is at breaking point to support the case for controlling immigration then our roads are not an unreasonable example.
It is essentially a political point of view that generates anti-racist hyperbole.
On the subject of breastfeeding, Claridges is doing little more than setting out their wishes on how customers conduct themselves on their premises where bodily functions are involved. Breast feeding is a very personal and private activity. We go to the toilet in private we normally pick our nose and fart in private. Doesn't mean there's anything wrong or unnatural about these activities any more than breast feeding. We don't have glass walled WCs in the middle of a restaurant because it would not be in keeping with the ambience. Breast feeding without a discreet shawl is not in keeping with the ambience and no reason why Claridges shouldn't offer the mother a suitable napkin or a more discreet place to feed her baby.
Ostentatious breast feeding is likely to be seen as showing-off and provokes reactions that are reactions to the insensitivities being displayed rather than the bosom. Most couldn't care, but those who do, end up in an argument around which takes precedence, the right to be offended, or the obligation not to take offence. Perversely, we have those of a liberal outlook who are easily offended reversing their moral compass and siding with the obligation not to be offended.
Politicians are on a hiding to nothing if they express a view on breast feeding and it's nothing to do with politics, so best keep the mouth shut, not Farage's forte.
But again this is anecdotal, there are no numbers to actually support this theory other than total number of migrants that are of driving age. What you have failed to mention is a large number of those migrants are students, it's not an unfair assumption to make that many of those will not have cars. Of the rest it's just pure speculation. I know that of the Eastern European migrants who are neighbours of mine, the house to the left has 5 guys living in it and they have a total of 1 van in that household. The family in the flat below mine do not have a car. I'd also speculate that many of the European migrants living in London do not have cars.
really so a net increase of 250,00 people per year has no affect on the roads ? wow ---so they get about how ?
and as we know this net increase of 1 MILLION people every 4 years has no detrimental affects at all ---no added perssure on the NHS,no pressure on to hospitals, DRs waiting lists, schools, or housing, and your saying Farage is deluded !!!!
But it's generally anecdotal evidence. People perceive that the obvious, more people = more cars is true. Similar to the NHS, yes I'd imagine there are more people using the NHS but we have more working so NI contributions will be up which (unless I'm mistaken) goes to fund the NHS (as well as plenty other taxes). Not to forget that generally immigrants are younger and so less likely to need to use the NHS.
But lets ignore that and go with what we perceive to be the case.
54% of the increase in population is due to net migration according to research.
If you ignore the increase due to births, since they will not yet have driving licences, a good part of the increase in traffic is down to an increase in the number of drivers which in turn is partly down to the increase in population of which immigration plays a significant part. Not sure I would think of blaming immigrants for traffic congestion, but if you are looking for examples of where infrastructure is at breaking point to support the case for controlling immigration then our roads are not an unreasonable example.
It is essentially a political point of view that generates anti-racist hyperbole.
On the subject of breastfeeding, Claridges is doing little more than setting out their wishes on how customers conduct themselves on their premises where bodily functions are involved. Breast feeding is a very personal and private activity. We go to the toilet in private we normally pick our nose and fart in private. Doesn't mean there's anything wrong or unnatural about these activities any more than breast feeding. We don't have glass walled WCs in the middle of a restaurant because it would not be in keeping with the ambience. Breast feeding without a discreet shawl is not in keeping with the ambience and no reason why Claridges shouldn't offer the mother a suitable napkin or a more discreet place to feed her baby.
Ostentatious breast feeding is likely to be seen as showing-off and provokes reactions that are reactions to the insensitivities being displayed rather than the bosom. Most couldn't care, but those who do, end up in an argument around which takes precedence, the right to be offended, or the obligation not to take offence. Perversely, we have those of a liberal outlook who are easily offended reversing their moral compass and siding with the obligation not to be offended.
Politicians are on a hiding to nothing if they express a view on breast feeding and it's nothing to do with politics, so best keep the mouth shut, not Farage's forte.
But again this is anecdotal, there are no numbers to actually support this theory other than total number of migrants that are of driving age. What you have failed to mention is a large number of those migrants are students, it's not an unfair assumption to make that many of those will not have cars. Of the rest it's just pure speculation. I know that of the Eastern European migrants who are neighbours of mine, the house to the left has 5 guys living in it and they have a total of 1 van in that household. The family in the flat below mine do not have a car. I'd also speculate that many of the European migrants living in London do not have cars.
it's incredibly naive to deny that an increase in immigration has contributed to an increase of traffic. That and the ageing population - which i would say would be the primary cause, more people are older, so more people have cars - are contributing factors.
Everyone seems to agree that there are too many people in the country - but I wonder what the ideal population would be?
Shouldn't we be aiming to get it back down to 30 or even 25 million somehow - perhaps by offering incentives to emigrate or not have children?
School class sizes would be halved and A & E departments would have spare capacity even on Friday nights . Motorways would run freely and everyone could get a seat on the train in the rush hour.
Crowds at the Valley might dip a bit though!
I don't agree that there are too many people here. It depends on where they are and what they are doing. People imagine we've lost the ability to feed ourself etc recently - we lost it in the early Victorian times when the population took off and have been importing food ever since. There's one sure fire way of getting the population to fall and that is for the economy to fully crash. There isn't an immigration issue in Ireland, though there is an emigration one. There's not a happy balance on this anywhere - you either attract migrants or produce them and if that's the choice I'd prefer to be somewhere attracting them.
Where would people emigrate to? As a country we already have quite high emigration, it's just offset by higher immigration at the moment. The people who are leaving tend to be amongst the most dynamic (as do the people arriving). Why offer incentives for the most able people to leave? And it will be difficult to export undesirables as was done in the past.
School sizes would not be halved, the numbers of teachers would. Ditto A&E departments. Trains would be back to two an hour at rush hour and you still wouldn't get a seat.
Crowds at The Valley would depend on a number of factors, but if there were fewer options for entertainment available they might even go up.
really so a net increase of 250,00 people per year has no affect on the roads ? wow ---so they get about how ?
and as we know this net increase of 1 MILLION people every 4 years has no detrimental affects at all ---no added perssure on the NHS,no pressure on to hospitals, DRs waiting lists, schools, or housing, and your saying Farage is deluded !!!!
But it's generally anecdotal evidence. People perceive that the obvious, more people = more cars is true. Similar to the NHS, yes I'd imagine there are more people using the NHS but we have more working so NI contributions will be up which (unless I'm mistaken) goes to fund the NHS (as well as plenty other taxes). Not to forget that generally immigrants are younger and so less likely to need to use the NHS.
But lets ignore that and go with what we perceive to be the case.
54% of the increase in population is due to net migration according to research.
If you ignore the increase due to births, since they will not yet have driving licences, a good part of the increase in traffic is down to an increase in the number of drivers which in turn is partly down to the increase in population of which immigration plays a significant part. Not sure I would think of blaming immigrants for traffic congestion, but if you are looking for examples of where infrastructure is at breaking point to support the case for controlling immigration then our roads are not an unreasonable example.
It is essentially a political point of view that generates anti-racist hyperbole.
On the subject of breastfeeding, Claridges is doing little more than setting out their wishes on how customers conduct themselves on their premises where bodily functions are involved. Breast feeding is a very personal and private activity. We go to the toilet in private we normally pick our nose and fart in private. Doesn't mean there's anything wrong or unnatural about these activities any more than breast feeding. We don't have glass walled WCs in the middle of a restaurant because it would not be in keeping with the ambience. Breast feeding without a discreet shawl is not in keeping with the ambience and no reason why Claridges shouldn't offer the mother a suitable napkin or a more discreet place to feed her baby.
Ostentatious breast feeding is likely to be seen as showing-off and provokes reactions that are reactions to the insensitivities being displayed rather than the bosom. Most couldn't care, but those who do, end up in an argument around which takes precedence, the right to be offended, or the obligation not to take offence. Perversely, we have those of a liberal outlook who are easily offended reversing their moral compass and siding with the obligation not to be offended.
Politicians are on a hiding to nothing if they express a view on breast feeding and it's nothing to do with politics, so best keep the mouth shut, not Farage's forte.
But again this is anecdotal, there are no numbers to actually support this theory other than total number of migrants that are of driving age. What you have failed to mention is a large number of those migrants are students, it's not an unfair assumption to make that many of those will not have cars. Of the rest it's just pure speculation. I know that of the Eastern European migrants who are neighbours of mine, the house to the left has 5 guys living in it and they have a total of 1 van in that household. The family in the flat below mine do not have a car. I'd also speculate that many of the European migrants living in London do not have cars.
it's incredibly naive to deny that an increase in immigration has contributed to an increase of traffic. That and the ageing population - which i would say would be the primary cause, more people are older, so more people have cars - are contributing factors.
I'm not denying it it contributes to an increase in traffic. But to lay the blame for all our congestion because of immigration is also incredibly naive. And yes you are probably right the "native" population is most probably the reason for it. More multi car households spring to mind. But we need someone to blame but ourselves.
really so a net increase of 250,00 people per year has no affect on the roads ? wow ---so they get about how ?
and as we know this net increase of 1 MILLION people every 4 years has no detrimental affects at all ---no added perssure on the NHS,no pressure on to hospitals, DRs waiting lists, schools, or housing, and your saying Farage is deluded !!!!
thing is they are all potential Labour voters .. The Labour party loves new immigrants for that reason, the Tories are terrified of losing the existing 'immigrant vote' and of being labelled 'racist' .. The immigration door to Britain, like Pandora's box is wide open, has been open for a long time and only the more extreme measures will even partly close it. Settled immigrants and further large numbers of immigrants are a fact of life, will continue to be so, and we all have to come to terms with that fact
Immigrants can't vote in Parliamentary elections unless they become resident (or they're Irish or count as commonwealth). Commonwealth and EU citizens can vote in local and EU elections. I've never understood this argument that Labour wanted migration on a grand scale to boost their chances, when in the election that actually matters immigrants can't vote.
Perhaps that's the real reason the Tories haven't run with Goonerhater's suggestion - it would be a waste of money targetting people who can't vote and would make them a laughing stock among the natives who see Labour as being Tory-lite.
Surely the real reason Labour wanted increased immigration is because it is what global capitalism demands and they were too scared to disobey? (Likewise the current Tory govt said they would reduce immigration but have failed, while causing damage to the UK's reputation for Higher Education etc by the measures they thought might work).
The highlighted area is the reason why I used the word POTENTIAL
'Callumcafc Member said@ December 7 ''I went into a Sainsburys after the Forest match yesterday for a quick sandwich but there were none left on the shelves. Bloody immigrants must've bought them all''.
Or probably stolen them! Oh no, none of our immigrants are dishonest we only cherry pick the best!
just out from Telegraph - makes an interesting twist to a non event
A star Ukip candidate who claims she was sexually harassed by the party's General Secretary sent him a series of texts telling him that the loves and misses him. Natasha Bolter, 35, has reportedly accused Roger Bird of making an indecent proposal on the day that he assessed her as a potential candidate. She denies any relationship or sexual contact took place. However Mr Bird, who has been suspended from the party pending an investigation, claims that they had a "consensual" relationship and has released a series of texts as evidence. In one of the messages passed to The Telegraph Ms Bolter says "I love u and miss u and think u r sort of perfect", while in another she says that her life was a "meaningless void" before she met him. Throughout the dozens of text messages she calls him "Bird" as a nickname and in one asks if he is "cool with me leaving suitcase here and coming home with you".
UKIP provide so much comedy value it's untrue. The Newsnight interview with Natasha Bolter is hysterical - how on earth the party took her seriously is beyond me. Farage is a clown but some of the others in the party are even worse. Still amazes me that anyone can vote for them. F*** me it really shows the state of this country that they're taken seriously. Ideal party for the Hamiltons...
two sides of the same coin. Both want to divide people and create an "us and them" culture, one over immigrants, the other over the "rischh" and "right wing media" (aka, any news outlets that don't completely conform to their political views)
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and as we know this net increase of 1 MILLION people every 4 years has no detrimental affects at all ---no added perssure on the NHS,no pressure on to hospitals, DRs waiting lists, schools, or housing, and your saying Farage is deluded !!!!
They took children away from UKIP voters but did nothing about childhood rape in Rotherham so that proves it.
I await the howls of protest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But if you take a step back is the above statement so very different from saying that roads are busier because of population growth, the main contributor to population growth is unfettered immigration?
Both statements are absurd but one is allowed to ridicule Farage but not Labour from what I can see....
But lets ignore that and go with what we perceive to be the case.
Perhaps that's the real reason the Tories haven't run with Goonerhater's suggestion - it would be a waste of money targetting people who can't vote and would make them a laughing stock among the natives who see Labour as being Tory-lite.
Surely the real reason Labour wanted increased immigration is because it is what global capitalism demands and they were too scared to disobey? (Likewise the current Tory govt said they would reduce immigration but have failed, while causing damage to the UK's reputation for Higher Education etc by the measures they thought might work).
Shouldn't we be aiming to get it back down to 30 or even 25 million somehow - perhaps by offering incentives to emigrate or not have children?
School class sizes would be halved and A & E departments would have spare capacity even on Friday nights . Motorways would run freely and everyone could get a seat on the train in the rush hour.
Crowds at the Valley might dip a bit though!
http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/sites/files/migobs/Briefing - Impact on Population Growth.pdf
If you ignore the increase due to births, since they will not yet have driving licences, a good part of the increase in traffic is down to an increase in the number of drivers which in turn is partly down to the increase in population of which immigration plays a significant part. Not sure I would think of blaming immigrants for traffic congestion, but if you are looking for examples of where infrastructure is at breaking point to support the case for controlling immigration then our roads are not an unreasonable example.
It is essentially a political point of view that generates anti-racist hyperbole.
On the subject of breastfeeding, Claridges is doing little more than setting out their wishes on how customers conduct themselves on their premises where bodily functions are involved. Breast feeding is a very personal and private activity. We go to the toilet in private we normally pick our nose and fart in private. Doesn't mean there's anything wrong or unnatural about these activities any more than breast feeding. We don't have glass walled WCs in the middle of a restaurant because it would not be in keeping with the ambience. Breast feeding without a discreet shawl is not in keeping with the ambience and no reason why Claridges shouldn't offer the mother a suitable napkin or a more discreet place to feed her baby.
Ostentatious breast feeding is likely to be seen as showing-off and provokes reactions that are reactions to the insensitivities being displayed rather than the bosom. Most couldn't care, but those who do, end up in an argument around which takes precedence, the right to be offended, or the obligation not to take offence. Perversely, we have those of a liberal outlook who are easily offended reversing their moral compass and siding with the obligation not to be offended.
Politicians are on a hiding to nothing if they express a view on breast feeding and it's nothing to do with politics, so best keep the mouth shut, not Farage's forte.
There's one sure fire way of getting the population to fall and that is for the economy to fully crash. There isn't an immigration issue in Ireland, though there is an emigration one. There's not a happy balance on this anywhere - you either attract migrants or produce them and if that's the choice I'd prefer to be somewhere attracting them.
Where would people emigrate to? As a country we already have quite high emigration, it's just offset by higher immigration at the moment. The people who are leaving tend to be amongst the most dynamic (as do the people arriving). Why offer incentives for the most able people to leave? And it will be difficult to export undesirables as was done in the past.
School sizes would not be halved, the numbers of teachers would. Ditto A&E departments. Trains would be back to two an hour at rush hour and you still wouldn't get a seat.
Crowds at The Valley would depend on a number of factors, but if there were fewer options for entertainment available they might even go up.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/poland-counts-cost-losing-millions-workers-081112937--finance.html
December 7
''I went into a Sainsburys after the Forest match yesterday for a quick sandwich but there were none left on the shelves. Bloody immigrants must've bought them all''.
Or probably stolen them! Oh no, none of our immigrants are dishonest
we only cherry pick the best!
A star Ukip candidate who claims she was sexually harassed by the party's General Secretary sent him a series of texts telling him that the loves and misses him.
Natasha Bolter, 35, has reportedly accused Roger Bird of making an indecent proposal on the day that he assessed her as a potential candidate. She denies any relationship or sexual contact took place.
However Mr Bird, who has been suspended from the party pending an investigation, claims that they had a "consensual" relationship and has released a series of texts as evidence.
In one of the messages passed to The Telegraph Ms Bolter says "I love u and miss u and think u r sort of perfect", while in another she says that her life was a "meaningless void" before she met him.
Throughout the dozens of text messages she calls him "Bird" as a nickname and in one asks if he is "cool with me leaving suitcase here and coming home with you".
Farage is a clown but some of the others in the party are even worse. Still amazes me that
anyone can vote for them. F*** me it really shows the state of this country that they're taken seriously.
Ideal party for the Hamiltons...
http://alchemipedia.blogspot.co.uk/2009/12/100-greatest-britons-bbc-poll-2002.html
Looks "a bit UKIP" to me.