If that is the case it should be an easy problem for the main parties to solve, right?
As someone who will almost certainly never live here long again, I guess I cannot be as informed as needed for this discussion. I've been back for a few months and really can't wait to leave but from what I've seen I worry for my family, especially my younger sister.
I don't think UKIP will solve the problems I've come across but who will.
A great loss to the nation - Bye - don't write!
Read back what you have just said and have a word with yourself.
Good advice you yourself
And that makes no sense at all
You original post was a hate filled , grossly exaggerated, xenhobic rant.
BTW Don't call me "boy" or tell me to " calm my shiit " !
I have now amended my post.
Hundred of eastern Europeans marching with sad expressions with photos of children at the head? Doesn't take a genius.
I'll address you as I see fit thanks.
Run by me the exaggerated, xenophobic bits. I've acknowledged the 'procession of Albanians' was a flippant description which is pretty obvious and even if it is throwaway it is not racist or xenophobic.
So by me mentioning things I am fully aware of and have seen with my own eyes I am xenophobic?
And I take it you live in the Medway towns to be able to pull me up on that?
I also think it highly unlikely that he has seen a "procession of Albanians stroll in" to his local hospital as Albania is not a member of the EU!
Have you seen the queues outside Medway Maritime at visiting time?
This is a photo of the funeral procession of children who drowned whilst being chased into a river by. Serbian Militia.
Sick
In fairness to @Addickted I suspect in his eagerness to post, what he thought, was a funny photo of a queue of Eastern European men he overlooked that it was fairly obviously a funeral of a young lad. Very poor judgement more than deliberately offensive I hope.
UKIP are starting to suffer as a consequence of not having enough "respectable" politicians in the party, which is understandable considering they are so new. I think there is a good chance it will all unravel before May. Peaked too soon.
I also think it highly unlikely that he has seen a "procession of Albanians stroll in" to his local hospital as Albania is not a member of the EU!
Have you seen the queues outside Medway Maritime at visiting time?
This is a photo of the funeral procession of children who drowned whilst being chased into a river by. Serbian Militia.
Sick
In fairness to @Addickted I suspect in his eagerness to post, what he thought, was a funny photo of a queue of Eastern European men he overlooked that it was fairly obviously a funeral of a young lad. Very poor judgement more than deliberately offensive I hope.
Googled 'Albanian Procession' it was the first image.
Sorry I didn't thoroughly research my attempt at humour.
Without having to watch it Stu as I am in the office and I cannot skive atm, where do we come in the league table?
(BTW. CL, I consider is low level under the radar skiving I have mastered over years of practice with deft mouse skills and super agile reactions to management movements...)
7th. The results are perhaps not entirely what you'd expect, it's very, very interesting. Although probably not worrth getting sacked for, so wait until you get home ;-)
I also think it highly unlikely that he has seen a "procession of Albanians stroll in" to his local hospital as Albania is not a member of the EU!
Have you seen the queues outside Medway Maritime at visiting time?
This is a photo of the funeral procession of children who drowned whilst being chased into a river by. Serbian Militia.
Sick
In fairness to @Addickted I suspect in his eagerness to post, what he thought, was a funny photo of a queue of Eastern European men he overlooked that it was fairly obviously a funeral of a young lad. Very poor judgement more than deliberately offensive I hope.
Googled 'Albanian Procession' it was the first image.
Sorry I didn't thoroughly research my attempt at humour.
The Independent @Independent 5m Ukip MEP Janice Atkinson, who attacked ‘feckless’ families for being on welfare, owes £2K in child support payments: http://ind.pn/1AzFXci
there is just no substance to UKIP and I feel they rode the crest of a wave for five minutes but by May they will be an irrelevance and certainly not the power brokers they see themselves as being
I also think it highly unlikely that he has seen a "procession of Albanians stroll in" to his local hospital as Albania is not a member of the EU!
Have you seen the queues outside Medway Maritime at visiting time?
This is a photo of the funeral procession of children who drowned whilst being chased into a river by. Serbian Militia.
Sick
In fairness to @Addickted I suspect in his eagerness to post, what he thought, was a funny photo of a queue of Eastern European men he overlooked that it was fairly obviously a funeral of a young lad. Very poor judgement more than deliberately offensive I hope.
Googled 'Albanian Procession' it was the first image.
Sorry I didn't thoroughly research my attempt at humour.
I laughed.
I also laughed at the faux outrage it produced.
Well that's just sad and predictable of you isn't it.
Out of interest, are you easily wound up by nature, or do you make an active effort to get your knickers in a twist?
I also think it highly unlikely that he has seen a "procession of Albanians stroll in" to his local hospital as Albania is not a member of the EU!
Have you seen the queues outside Medway Maritime at visiting time?
This is a photo of the funeral procession of children who drowned whilst being chased into a river by. Serbian Militia.
Sick
In fairness to @Addickted I suspect in his eagerness to post, what he thought, was a funny photo of a queue of Eastern European men he overlooked that it was fairly obviously a funeral of a young lad. Very poor judgement more than deliberately offensive I hope.
Googled 'Albanian Procession' it was the first image.
Sorry I didn't thoroughly research my attempt at humour.
I laughed.
I also laughed at the faux outrage it produced.
Well that's just sad and predictable of you isn't it.
Out of interest, are you easily wound up by nature, or do you make an active effort to get your knickers in a twist?
In view of our last round of disagreement I decided not respond to your coment and removed it.
I think it best for us not to get into another exchange.
You clearly don't and won't agree with me and visa versa.
I also think it highly unlikely that he has seen a "procession of Albanians stroll in" to his local hospital as Albania is not a member of the EU!
Have you seen the queues outside Medway Maritime at visiting time?
This is a photo of the funeral procession of children who drowned whilst being chased into a river by. Serbian Militia.
Sick
In fairness to @Addickted I suspect in his eagerness to post, what he thought, was a funny photo of a queue of Eastern European men he overlooked that it was fairly obviously a funeral of a young lad. Very poor judgement more than deliberately offensive I hope.
Googled 'Albanian Procession' it was the first image.
Sorry I didn't thoroughly research my attempt at humour.
I laughed.
I also laughed at the faux outrage it produced.
Well that's just sad and predictable of you isn't it.
Out of interest, are you easily wound up by nature, or do you make an active effort to get your knickers in a twist?
In view of our last round of disagreement I decided not respond to you coment and removed it.
I think it best for us not to get into another exchange. You clearly don't and won't agree
Out of interest, are you easily wound up by nature, or do you make an active effort to get your knickers in a twist?
I also think it highly unlikely that he has seen a "procession of Albanians stroll in" to his local hospital as Albania is not a member of the EU!
Have you seen the queues outside Medway Maritime at visiting time?
This is a photo of the funeral procession of children who drowned whilst being chased into a river by. Serbian Militia.
Sick
In fairness to @Addickted I suspect in his eagerness to post, what he thought, was a funny photo of a queue of Eastern European men he overlooked that it was fairly obviously a funeral of a young lad. Very poor judgement more than deliberately offensive I hope.
Googled 'Albanian Procession' it was the first image.
Sorry I didn't thoroughly research my attempt at humour.
I laughed.
I also laughed at the faux outrage it produced.
Well that's just sad and predictable of you isn't it.
Out of interest, are you easily wound up by nature, or do you make an active effort to get your knickers in a twist?
In view of our last round of disagreement I decided not respond to your coment and removed it.
I think it best for us not to get into another exchange.
You clearly don't and won't agree with me and visa versa.
Happy christmas and a play off new year!
The vast majority of threads you contribute to are political and you get into an argument on most of them. In fact this thread is the only one you've posted to in over a month.
Before that you had a fight in the Germany EU thread and prior to that on the Milliband Bacon Sandwich discussion you needed to tell everyone you were 5'11" and 18 stone so if anyone fancied some that was fine.
I also think it highly unlikely that he has seen a "procession of Albanians stroll in" to his local hospital as Albania is not a member of the EU!
Have you seen the queues outside Medway Maritime at visiting time?
This is a photo of the funeral procession of children who drowned whilst being chased into a river by. Serbian Militia.
Sick
In fairness to @Addickted I suspect in his eagerness to post, what he thought, was a funny photo of a queue of Eastern European men he overlooked that it was fairly obviously a funeral of a young lad. Very poor judgement more than deliberately offensive I hope.
Googled 'Albanian Procession' it was the first image.
Sorry I didn't thoroughly research my attempt at humour.
I laughed.
I also laughed at the faux outrage it produced.
Well that's just sad and predictable of you isn't it.
Out of interest, are you easily wound up by nature, or do you make an active effort to get your knickers in a twist?
In view of our last round of disagreement I decided not respond to your coment and removed it.
I think it best for us not to get into another exchange.
You clearly don't and won't agree with me and visa versa.
Happy christmas and a play off new year!
The vast majority of threads you contribute to are political and you get into an argument on most of them. In fact this thread is the only one you've posted to in over a month.
Before that you had a fight in the Germany EU thread and prior to that on the Milliband Bacon Sandwich discussion you needed to tell everyone you were 5'11" and 18 stone so if anyone fancied some that was fine.
Is this the best site for you?
I don't think that I am the only person to get into arguments on this forum and clealry my politics are out of kilter with the rest of you.
None of the main stream parties are about open door immigration for every country in the world. UKIP is either about kicking out immigrants to attract that share of the vote or its not...in which case it's just an alternative conservative party. The impact they are having is twofold in that they are shifting debate onto immignition and thus deflecting from economic issues. And they are influencing conservative policy / relations with the EU. Which in turn are becoming laughable.
The EU is about raising living standards of poorer new entrants to help secure peace as well as potential military alliances. Anyone living through the 70s and 80s will surely be aware of the Soviet threat. The point being that as EU countries become richer and better educated, this reinforces the proven trend that immigrants to the UK are younger and better educated than the norm - and come here to fulfill skills shortages, make more than a basic living. The ones I have met from Romania and Poland use their surplus cash to buy property in their homeland.
Labour have either accidentally or deliberately kept fairly quiet about UKIP so as not to get drawn in. The simple fact is that there is yet another UKIP media story virtually every week and who knows what's being held back for the election run in?! They are the party who keep on giving. An immature (as in politically immature) gathering of loons and outcasts with a single issue. Most probably they have a multitude of splits on serious policy so they keep stumm. From the NHS (private insurance) to education to anything that requires years of research and policy debate.
They make a lot of noise but it's highly unlikely they will hold the balance of power in the next parliament.
The latest polls appear to flick between a labour minority (coalition) and small labour majority.
The centre left are proposing to tax wealth of those who have come through the crash in good shape ~ smart move irrespective of the amount collected - put that policy up against freezing benefits for the working poor and see where the votes fall. The living standards for the typical voter earning say £25-35k per annum is the main topic because this cover tens of millions . I don't know the exact numbers but the vast majority are in this bracket or just below or just above. And these people have been hit by food and fuel inflation while real income does not keep pace with inflation. Sure some progress and get promoted and we are in the middle of a pre-election boom to be helped by oil price falls but will people forget where they are compared to ten years back?
And somehow net immigration of 250,000 per year out of a population of 63(?) million is being blamed. Single issue... Wrong issue.
The lack of growth in the EU and not the EU itself is the issue. Spain and Ireland are recovering but Italy and France take one step forwards and two steps back. And this is killing a major export market, a major source of wealth and jobs.
We live in a democracy and not everyone can have it good but you need to have hope and aspirations for the 18-25s - opportunities for them to earn and/or learn. The irony is that the proven demographics of immigration is that they are in the 25-35 age group creating or availing of opportunities which are actually there in our country.
The number of working people is going up but the typical wage is not. It would take far more research and reading to understand what is happening let alone what are the medium and long term solutions... But I hope our politicians and media plus our think tanks put some work in and close the space which UKIP are occupying. Not by competing against immigration but by finding executable solutions. That's why we vote for them and that's why they are paid - I think sometimes they forget this. Farrage doesn't and this is why he's gone from 5% to 15% so quickly. Unfortunately for him the oxygen of publicity is starting to burn him.
Thanks for link - same policies except directed at asylum seekers and same % of the vote at 16% I wonder what their other policies are and if they are part of the seven party alliance in the EU parliament which Farage uses to access millions of funding?
This is VERY old news and the Russian owned Independent should know better than to be stirring the mess in this manner. The owner should stick his nose into Russian affairs and leave British politics to the British. The Independent is about as 'Independent' as was Pravda Farage made this statement three years ago and claims that he was overruled by the rest of his party's hierarchy. I thought that this was common knowledge.
Farage made this statement three years ago and claims that he was overruled by the rest of his party's hierarchy. I thought that this was common knowledge.
Direct quote from the article:
Now Mr Farage has revived the idea, saying his party will have to “return” to it after the May general election. In a BBC Radio 4 interview to be broadcast today, he said: “I triggered a debate within Ukip that was outright rejected by my colleagues, so I have to accept that. As time goes on, this is a debate that we’re all going to have to return to.”
Farage made this statement three years ago and claims that he was overruled by the rest of his party's hierarchy. I thought that this was common knowledge.
Direct quote from the article:
Now Mr Farage has revived the idea, saying his party will have to “return” to it after the May general election. In a BBC Radio 4 interview to be broadcast today, he said: “I triggered a debate within Ukip that was outright rejected by my colleagues, so I have to accept that. As time goes on, this is a debate that we’re all going to have to return to.”
I heard this interview and when pressed Farage did say that the issue might be returned to. That is a long way from saying 'the NHS might have to be replaced by private health insurance', it is twisting his words and taking them out of context. Farage has not changed his mind, he thinks that the idea of an insurance based NHS will have to be looked into again. Originally, National Insurance was designed to pay for the NHS, other welfare benefits and as a hedge in case of unemployment. So the NHS has always been funded by NI (Insurance) contributions. The private insurance idea is Farage's own idea and is not Ukip policy. This is OLD and not NEW news. Many things will be open for debate, including the future of the NHS. In any case, the prospect of Farage and/or Ukip having any say in the government of the UK after the next election is extremely unlikely
I've stayed out of this because it's frankly a ridiculous debate. You can't discuss the idiocy of UKIP without appearing as if you're a knuckle-dragging racist troglodyte or a liberal rice cakes and nettle tea idealist because the whole raison d'etre of Nige and his muppetshow is border control (it's in the fucking name for God's sake!). This makes any discussion about the party inevitably one about racism.
However, anyone who really thinks that Farage has had his words 'twisted' over private health care is either wilfully ignorant, hopelessly trusting of the man or pigshit thick.
Farage's paymasters are about 50 miles to the right of the Tories FFS. Even accounting for any rose-tinted glasses anyone may be wearing about him, can anyone with a functioning shwede seriously think UKIP wouldn't privatise the NHS if he were somehow elected?
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Run by me the exaggerated, xenophobic bits. I've acknowledged the 'procession of Albanians' was a flippant description which is pretty obvious and even if it is throwaway it is not racist or xenophobic.
So by me mentioning things I am fully aware of and have seen with my own eyes I am xenophobic?
And I take it you live in the Medway towns to be able to pull me up on that?
Sorry I didn't thoroughly research my attempt at humour.
http://www.ted.com/talks/simon_anholt_which_country_does_the_most_good_for_the_world
(BTW. CL, I consider is low level under the radar skiving I have mastered over years of practice with deft mouse skills and super agile reactions to management movements...)
I also laughed at the faux outrage it produced.
Ukip MEP Janice Atkinson, who attacked ‘feckless’ families for being on welfare, owes £2K in child support payments: http://ind.pn/1AzFXci
I think it best for us not to get into another exchange.
You clearly don't and won't agree with me and visa versa.
Happy christmas and a play off new year!
Before that you had a fight in the Germany EU thread and prior to that on the Milliband Bacon Sandwich discussion you needed to tell everyone you were 5'11" and 18 stone so if anyone fancied some that was fine.
Is this the best site for you?
You probably right however.
Happy Christmas!
Clearly not cut out for online forums
UKIP is either about kicking out immigrants to attract that share of the vote or its not...in which case it's just an alternative conservative party. The impact they are having is twofold in that they are shifting debate onto immignition and thus deflecting from economic issues. And they are influencing conservative policy / relations with the EU. Which in turn are becoming laughable.
The EU is about raising living standards of poorer new entrants to help secure peace as well as potential military alliances. Anyone living through the 70s and 80s will surely be aware of the Soviet threat. The point being that as EU countries become richer and better educated, this reinforces the proven trend that immigrants to the UK are younger and better educated than the norm - and come here to fulfill skills shortages, make more than a basic living. The ones I have met from Romania and Poland use their surplus cash to buy property in their homeland.
Labour have either accidentally or deliberately kept fairly quiet about UKIP so as not to get drawn in. The simple fact is that there is yet another UKIP media story virtually every week and who knows what's being held back for the election run in?! They are the party who keep on giving. An immature (as in politically immature) gathering of loons and outcasts with a single issue. Most probably they have a multitude of splits on serious policy so they keep stumm. From the NHS (private insurance) to education to anything that requires years of research and policy debate.
They make a lot of noise but it's highly unlikely they will hold the balance of power in the next parliament.
The latest polls appear to flick between a labour minority (coalition) and small labour majority.
The centre left are proposing to tax wealth of those who have come through the crash in good shape ~ smart move irrespective of the amount collected - put that policy up against freezing benefits for the working poor and see where the votes fall.
The living standards for the typical voter earning say £25-35k per annum is the main topic because this cover tens of millions . I don't know the exact numbers but the vast majority are in this bracket or just below or just above.
And these people have been hit by food and fuel inflation while real income does not keep pace with inflation. Sure some progress and get promoted and we are in the middle of a pre-election boom to be helped by oil price falls but will people forget where they are compared to ten years back?
And somehow net immigration of 250,000 per year out of a population of 63(?) million is being blamed. Single issue... Wrong issue.
The lack of growth in the EU and not the EU itself is the issue. Spain and Ireland are recovering but Italy and France take one step forwards and two steps back. And this is killing a major export market, a major source of wealth and jobs.
We live in a democracy and not everyone can have it good but you need to have hope and aspirations for the 18-25s - opportunities for them to earn and/or learn. The irony is that the proven demographics of immigration is that they are in the 25-35 age group creating or availing of opportunities which are actually there in our country.
The number of working people is going up but the typical wage is not. It would take far more research and reading to understand what is happening let alone what are the medium and long term solutions... But I hope our politicians and media plus our think tanks put some work in and close the space which UKIP are occupying. Not by competing against immigration but by finding executable solutions. That's why we vote for them and that's why they are paid - I think sometimes they forget this. Farrage doesn't and this is why he's gone from 5% to 15% so quickly. Unfortunately for him the oxygen of publicity is starting to burn him.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/swedish-christian-democrats-eyeing-far-urge-tougher-migrant-170232133--business.html#HltApQk
I wonder what their other policies are and if they are part of the seven party alliance in the EU parliament which Farage uses to access millions of funding?
Al Murray to stand against Farage.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-nhs-might-have-to-be-replaced-by-private-health-insurance-9988904.html
Farage made this statement three years ago and claims that he was overruled by the rest of his party's hierarchy. I thought that this was common knowledge.
Now Mr Farage has revived the idea, saying his party will have to “return” to it after the May general election. In a BBC Radio 4 interview to be broadcast today, he said: “I triggered a debate within Ukip that was outright rejected by my colleagues, so I have to accept that. As time goes on, this is a debate that we’re all going to have to return to.”
The private insurance idea is Farage's own idea and is not Ukip policy. This is OLD and not NEW news. Many things will be open for debate, including the future of the NHS. In any case, the prospect of Farage and/or Ukip having any say in the government of the UK after the next election is extremely unlikely
However, anyone who really thinks that Farage has had his words 'twisted' over private health care is either wilfully ignorant, hopelessly trusting of the man or pigshit thick.
Farage's paymasters are about 50 miles to the right of the Tories FFS. Even accounting for any rose-tinted glasses anyone may be wearing about him, can anyone with a functioning shwede seriously think UKIP wouldn't privatise the NHS if he were somehow elected?