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Ben Haim Unavailable On Saturday?

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  • cafcfan
    cafcfan Posts: 11,210
    I'm not having a pop here, merely trying to understand the circumstances because I don't know enough about the Jewish faith.
    I believe there are broadly three descriptions: Orthodox, Conservative and Reform? Reform Jews tend to ignore all the restrictions placed on them (although they maybe pitch up at the synagogue every now and again), so I'm guessing Tal sees himself in the Conservative category?
    However, on a regular Sabbath, wouldn't that mean that, while he would consider it to be okay for him to play on Saturday, he probably couldn't drive to the ground? (But could drive home after the game.) I'd just find it interesting (and a little different) to see an explanation of his beliefs and restrictions in the programme, but I guess that's never going to happen.
  • bobcafc7
    bobcafc7 Posts: 447
    Athletico Charlton said:

    Shows what small margins there are in football with all this praise for TBH.

    Don't get me wrong I have been impressed and the defence are the reason we are where we are with him a big part of that, however he had one or two average games early, gave the ball away for Rotherhams goal and should have given two penalties away but for refs missing them.

    Would be interesting to have read this exact thread if those two penalty decisions had gone the other way and he had been at fault for three goals by now.

    I personally think he's been our signing of the season , and is more important to the team than people think , he's calmness on the ball the way he brings the ball out of defence and his passes out to the right wing , absolutely quality player and works so well with Bikey just hope we don't miss him to much against Birmingham but we shall see.
  • pettgra
    pettgra Posts: 1,574
    The trouble with Yom Kippur; it always has a habit of repeating on you.
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,128
    cafcfan said:

    I'm not having a pop here, merely trying to understand the circumstances because I don't know enough about the Jewish faith.
    I believe there are broadly three descriptions: Orthodox, Conservative and Reform? Reform Jews tend to ignore all the restrictions placed on them (although they maybe pitch up at the synagogue every now and again), so I'm guessing Tal sees himself in the Conservative category?
    However, on a regular Sabbath, wouldn't that mean that, while he would consider it to be okay for him to play on Saturday, he probably couldn't drive to the ground? (But could drive home after the game.) I'd just find it interesting (and a little different) to see an explanation of his beliefs and restrictions in the programme, but I guess that's never going to happen.

    I would imagine it's more to do with the fact he can't eat for 25 hours.
  • Addicted
    Addicted Posts: 2,804
    It's one game and I rate Morrison so see no issue at all. Not as if he's pulling a sickie.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,242
    shirty5 said:

    Sometimes I wish if it would have been easier to find out at 5 to 3 on Saturday afternoon that he wasn't playing and just got on with it.

    OK Bob Peeters, your the boss.

  • cafcfan
    cafcfan Posts: 11,210
    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    cafcfan said:

    I'm not having a pop here, merely trying to understand the circumstances because I don't know enough about the Jewish faith.
    I believe there are broadly three descriptions: Orthodox, Conservative and Reform? Reform Jews tend to ignore all the restrictions placed on them (although they maybe pitch up at the synagogue every now and again), so I'm guessing Tal sees himself in the Conservative category?
    However, on a regular Sabbath, wouldn't that mean that, while he would consider it to be okay for him to play on Saturday, he probably couldn't drive to the ground? (But could drive home after the game.) I'd just find it interesting (and a little different) to see an explanation of his beliefs and restrictions in the programme, but I guess that's never going to happen.

    I would imagine it's more to do with the fact he can't eat for 25 hours.
    Sorry, I wasn't clear enough. I meant on any Saturday, that is, a normal Sabbath, rather than this upcoming one.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,334
    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    cafcfan said:

    I'm not having a pop here, merely trying to understand the circumstances because I don't know enough about the Jewish faith.
    I believe there are broadly three descriptions: Orthodox, Conservative and Reform? Reform Jews tend to ignore all the restrictions placed on them (although they maybe pitch up at the synagogue every now and again), so I'm guessing Tal sees himself in the Conservative category?
    However, on a regular Sabbath, wouldn't that mean that, while he would consider it to be okay for him to play on Saturday, he probably couldn't drive to the ground? (But could drive home after the game.) I'd just find it interesting (and a little different) to see an explanation of his beliefs and restrictions in the programme, but I guess that's never going to happen.

    I would imagine it's more to do with the fact he can't eat for 25 hours.

    Perhaps.

    The point of Yom Kippur is that it is a day of atonement so you aren't meant to do anything including eating other than thinking on your sins, etc. So even if he wasn't fasting he and other jews aren't meant to be doing anything.

    Reform Jews are more likely to observe Yom Kippur than any other holiday and even if they normally work, play, drive etc on Saturday so he maybe reform or orthodox. Even orthodox jews don't always follow all the rules . As one joked to me "It's ok to eat pork if the pig was circumcised".

    Anyway, it is his business, he asked the club and they said OK and if someone of another faith made a similar request then I'm sure they would do the same.

    Anyone remember Peter Knowles? Extreme case and no similarity but an example of a Christian being allowed to express his religion.

  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,937
    Cheers Henry, had never heard of him.
    Very interesting.
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,345
    MrOneLung said:

    Cheers Henry, had never heard of him.
    Very interesting.

    Yeah never heard of him either but it was interesting reading that he retired at 24 but Wolves kept his contract for another 12 years hoping he would come out of retirement

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  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,334
    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/interview--for-god-chelsea-and-st-hoddle-gavin-peacock-christian-and-football-star-doesnt-go-in-for-booze-and-birds-but-the-fa-cup-would-do-nicely-1434938.html
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,090
    edited October 2014
    Wasn't there a South American goalkeeper who wouldn't play in Saturdays as he was a seventh day Adventist ?

    Edit - Yes - Carlos Roa

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Roa
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,710
    is Gomez definately out then?
  • newyorkaddick
    newyorkaddick Posts: 3,054
    LargeAddick said:

    is Gomez definately out then?

    Don't tell me Gomez is Jewish too?
  • seriously_red
    seriously_red Posts: 5,741
    edited October 2014
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  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,242
    LargeAddick said:

    I wonder what our thoughts on Igor would be if he hadn't have scored yet?

    Go to any Simon Church Thread.
  • cafctom
    cafctom Posts: 11,375
    5 pages worth of debate over something that sounds like it was sorted extremely quickly between Tal and Bob.

    We know how to drag things out!
  • scidbox
    scidbox Posts: 537
    I took a day off from work when in a new job 22 years ago that happened to fall on Yom Kippur and got slagged off for being Jewish (which I'm not). I then took Yom Kippur off for the following 5 years.
    It's TBH's business what he believes in and how that affects him.
    I read first 2-3 pages and I see people taking the piss out of religion, but antisemetism? No. Seems we can take the piss if it's Christians, Muslims, Hindus or just peoples imaginary friend (God) etc but if a Jewish person is involved then a line seems to have been crossed.
    Bollox I say to all of em.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,242
    cafctom said:

    5 pages worth of debate over something that sounds like it was sorted extremely quickly between Tal and Bob.

    We know how to drag things out!

    we will take 40 days and 40 nights if we have to. (still be shorter than the andy Delort thread.)

  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,826
    paulie8290 said:

    I think they key thing is the reason he wont be playing is he will be fasting from Friday night and it could damage him running around after not eating all day

    so there is no need to mention Christmas or Easter because we don't fast for them days


    Good Friday is a fast day.

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  • Goonerhater
    Goonerhater Posts: 12,677
    Gods watching you all.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,242
    guinnessaddick said:

    paulie8290 said:

    I think they key thing is the reason he wont be playing is he will be fasting from Friday night and it could damage him running around after not eating all day

    so there is no need to mention Christmas or Easter because we don't fast for them days


    Good Friday is a fast day.
    I find it drags when there no football game on.

  • PL54
    PL54 Posts: 10,757
    shirty5 said:

    Sometimes I wish if it would have been easier to find out at 5 to 3 on Saturday afternoon that he wasn't playing and just got on with it.

    It would certainly been better for the opposition to hear about it at that stage.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,242
    Just heard that Caleb cotterill and Rueben Randolph won't play for the blues,
    I wonder why.
  • mrbligh
    mrbligh Posts: 3,056
    Goonerhater said:

    Gods watching you all.

    no i'm not
  • colthe3rd
    colthe3rd Posts: 8,486
    I really don't see the problem at all here. If anything I'm glad we live in a society and that we have a club that respects the religious views of an individual. If only everyone had the same respect we'd live in a much nicer world and CL wouldn't have so many flags thrown around.
  • AddickUpNorth
    AddickUpNorth Posts: 8,325
    Goonerhater said:

    Gods watching you all.


    Indeed she is.
  • Kap10
    Kap10 Posts: 15,605
    edited October 2014
    Goonerhater said:

    Gods watching you all.

    So are Mossad
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,826
    Goonerhater said:

    Gods watching you all.

    Who's watching me?
    I don't know anymore
    Are the neighbors watching?
    Who's watching?
    Well, it's the mailman watching me, and I don't feel safe anymore
    Tell me who's watching
    Oh, what a mess I wonder who's watching me now
    (Who?) the IRS?
  • rikofold
    rikofold Posts: 4,051
    tangoflash said:

    Boss: "I need you to work tomorrow"
    Muslim: "sorry boss, It's ramadam"

    Boss: "I need you to work tomorrow"
    Jew: "Sorry boss, It's Yom Kippur"

    Boss: "I need you to work tomorrow"
    Christian: "Boss, tomorrow is christmas, triple pay?"

    Guarantee a rabbi's told that joke the other way round. :-)

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