I'm not having a pop here, merely trying to understand the circumstances because I don't know enough about the Jewish faith. I believe there are broadly three descriptions: Orthodox, Conservative and Reform? Reform Jews tend to ignore all the restrictions placed on them (although they maybe pitch up at the synagogue every now and again), so I'm guessing Tal sees himself in the Conservative category? However, on a regular Sabbath, wouldn't that mean that, while he would consider it to be okay for him to play on Saturday, he probably couldn't drive to the ground? (But could drive home after the game.) I'd just find it interesting (and a little different) to see an explanation of his beliefs and restrictions in the programme, but I guess that's never going to happen.
Shows what small margins there are in football with all this praise for TBH.
Don't get me wrong I have been impressed and the defence are the reason we are where we are with him a big part of that, however he had one or two average games early, gave the ball away for Rotherhams goal and should have given two penalties away but for refs missing them.
Would be interesting to have read this exact thread if those two penalty decisions had gone the other way and he had been at fault for three goals by now.
I personally think he's been our signing of the season , and is more important to the team than people think , he's calmness on the ball the way he brings the ball out of defence and his passes out to the right wing , absolutely quality player and works so well with Bikey just hope we don't miss him to much against Birmingham but we shall see.
I'm not having a pop here, merely trying to understand the circumstances because I don't know enough about the Jewish faith. I believe there are broadly three descriptions: Orthodox, Conservative and Reform? Reform Jews tend to ignore all the restrictions placed on them (although they maybe pitch up at the synagogue every now and again), so I'm guessing Tal sees himself in the Conservative category? However, on a regular Sabbath, wouldn't that mean that, while he would consider it to be okay for him to play on Saturday, he probably couldn't drive to the ground? (But could drive home after the game.) I'd just find it interesting (and a little different) to see an explanation of his beliefs and restrictions in the programme, but I guess that's never going to happen.
I would imagine it's more to do with the fact he can't eat for 25 hours.
I'm not having a pop here, merely trying to understand the circumstances because I don't know enough about the Jewish faith. I believe there are broadly three descriptions: Orthodox, Conservative and Reform? Reform Jews tend to ignore all the restrictions placed on them (although they maybe pitch up at the synagogue every now and again), so I'm guessing Tal sees himself in the Conservative category? However, on a regular Sabbath, wouldn't that mean that, while he would consider it to be okay for him to play on Saturday, he probably couldn't drive to the ground? (But could drive home after the game.) I'd just find it interesting (and a little different) to see an explanation of his beliefs and restrictions in the programme, but I guess that's never going to happen.
I would imagine it's more to do with the fact he can't eat for 25 hours.
Sorry, I wasn't clear enough. I meant on any Saturday, that is, a normal Sabbath, rather than this upcoming one.
I'm not having a pop here, merely trying to understand the circumstances because I don't know enough about the Jewish faith. I believe there are broadly three descriptions: Orthodox, Conservative and Reform? Reform Jews tend to ignore all the restrictions placed on them (although they maybe pitch up at the synagogue every now and again), so I'm guessing Tal sees himself in the Conservative category? However, on a regular Sabbath, wouldn't that mean that, while he would consider it to be okay for him to play on Saturday, he probably couldn't drive to the ground? (But could drive home after the game.) I'd just find it interesting (and a little different) to see an explanation of his beliefs and restrictions in the programme, but I guess that's never going to happen.
I would imagine it's more to do with the fact he can't eat for 25 hours.
Perhaps.
The point of Yom Kippur is that it is a day of atonement so you aren't meant to do anything including eating other than thinking on your sins, etc. So even if he wasn't fasting he and other jews aren't meant to be doing anything.
Reform Jews are more likely to observe Yom Kippur than any other holiday and even if they normally work, play, drive etc on Saturday so he maybe reform or orthodox. Even orthodox jews don't always follow all the rules . As one joked to me "It's ok to eat pork if the pig was circumcised".
Anyway, it is his business, he asked the club and they said OK and if someone of another faith made a similar request then I'm sure they would do the same.
Anyone remember Peter Knowles? Extreme case and no similarity but an example of a Christian being allowed to express his religion.
Cheers Henry, had never heard of him. Very interesting.
Yeah never heard of him either but it was interesting reading that he retired at 24 but Wolves kept his contract for another 12 years hoping he would come out of retirement
I took a day off from work when in a new job 22 years ago that happened to fall on Yom Kippur and got slagged off for being Jewish (which I'm not). I then took Yom Kippur off for the following 5 years. It's TBH's business what he believes in and how that affects him. I read first 2-3 pages and I see people taking the piss out of religion, but antisemetism? No. Seems we can take the piss if it's Christians, Muslims, Hindus or just peoples imaginary friend (God) etc but if a Jewish person is involved then a line seems to have been crossed. Bollox I say to all of em.
I think they key thing is the reason he wont be playing is he will be fasting from Friday night and it could damage him running around after not eating all day
so there is no need to mention Christmas or Easter because we don't fast for them days
I think they key thing is the reason he wont be playing is he will be fasting from Friday night and it could damage him running around after not eating all day
so there is no need to mention Christmas or Easter because we don't fast for them days
I really don't see the problem at all here. If anything I'm glad we live in a society and that we have a club that respects the religious views of an individual. If only everyone had the same respect we'd live in a much nicer world and CL wouldn't have so many flags thrown around.
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I believe there are broadly three descriptions: Orthodox, Conservative and Reform? Reform Jews tend to ignore all the restrictions placed on them (although they maybe pitch up at the synagogue every now and again), so I'm guessing Tal sees himself in the Conservative category?
However, on a regular Sabbath, wouldn't that mean that, while he would consider it to be okay for him to play on Saturday, he probably couldn't drive to the ground? (But could drive home after the game.) I'd just find it interesting (and a little different) to see an explanation of his beliefs and restrictions in the programme, but I guess that's never going to happen.
Perhaps.
The point of Yom Kippur is that it is a day of atonement so you aren't meant to do anything including eating other than thinking on your sins, etc. So even if he wasn't fasting he and other jews aren't meant to be doing anything.
Reform Jews are more likely to observe Yom Kippur than any other holiday and even if they normally work, play, drive etc on Saturday so he maybe reform or orthodox. Even orthodox jews don't always follow all the rules . As one joked to me "It's ok to eat pork if the pig was circumcised".
Anyway, it is his business, he asked the club and they said OK and if someone of another faith made a similar request then I'm sure they would do the same.
Anyone remember Peter Knowles? Extreme case and no similarity but an example of a Christian being allowed to express his religion.
Very interesting.
Edit - Yes - Carlos Roa
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Roa
We know how to drag things out!
It's TBH's business what he believes in and how that affects him.
I read first 2-3 pages and I see people taking the piss out of religion, but antisemetism? No. Seems we can take the piss if it's Christians, Muslims, Hindus or just peoples imaginary friend (God) etc but if a Jewish person is involved then a line seems to have been crossed.
Bollox I say to all of em.
Good Friday is a fast day.
I wonder why.
Indeed she is.
I don't know anymore
Are the neighbors watching?
Who's watching?
Well, it's the mailman watching me, and I don't feel safe anymore
Tell me who's watching
Oh, what a mess I wonder who's watching me now
(Who?) the IRS?