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  • clb74
    clb74 Posts: 10,824
    Covered End said:
    3 winners at Ascot today, £100 profit. 
    You keep em to yourself mate
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,989
    Champagne Marengo 6/1
    Bella Vita 9/4
    Red Armada 9/2
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    edited July 2019
    oldbloke said:
    Can anyone explain how Shady McCoy carries 10-3 today at 4,45 newmarket in a 0-90 Hcap yet is also in tomorrows bunbury cup off 95. Im old and confused?
    Shady McCoy's mark for today's race was 92 and whilst today's race was a 0-90 Hcap it was also open to horses rated 91 or 92. This is done to get as many horses into such a handicap as possible.

    The weights for the Bunbury Cup would have been framed a while back and tomorrow's weights do not take into account changes in ratings in the intervening period so, effectively, off 95, Shady McCoy is 3lb "wrong".
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,975
    Jamie Spencer really is a punters nightmare. Dropped Raheem House out the back by about 6 lengths and then can’t get up at the finish. Does it far too often.
  • stackitsteve
    stackitsteve Posts: 12,102
    Hope Beat The Bank is ok
  • WelshAddick
    WelshAddick Posts: 1,321
    RIP beat the bank.  Unbelievable finish to his race 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    edited July 2019
    ValleyGary said:
    Jamie Spencer really is a punters nightmare. Dropped Raheem House out the back by about 6 lengths and then can’t get up at the finish. Does it far too often.
    But then is lauded for a "classic Jamie Spencer ride" in the next race.

    It's one of the reasons he lost his rather lucrative job with Coolmore.
  • PaddyP17
    PaddyP17 Posts: 13,035
    RIP Sea of Class. Desperately sad news.
  • palarsehater
    palarsehater Posts: 12,296
    if anyone has a chance check out the 2.50 at sandown how on earth has that decision not been reversed what is even more shocking is the trainer saying it shouldnt of been reversed another reason why i cant stand the flat bent decisions like that. 
  • palarsehater
    palarsehater Posts: 12,296
    A neck down 


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  • PaddyP17
    PaddyP17 Posts: 13,035
    palarsehater said:
    if anyone has a chance check out the 2.50 at sandown how on earth has that decision not been reversed what is even more shocking is the trainer saying it shouldnt of been reversed another reason why i cant stand the flat bent decisions like that. 
    How the hell was that not reversed?!
  • smiffyboy
    smiffyboy Posts: 4,314
    edited July 2019
    https://twitter.com/racingtv/status/1154393102385369088?s=21

    A link to the incident for those that missed it.
  • stackitsteve
    stackitsteve Posts: 12,102
    smiffyboy said:
    https://twitter.com/racingtv/status/1154393102385369088?s=21

    A link to the incident for those that missed it.
    Unreal that that wasn’t reversed 
  • palarsehater
    palarsehater Posts: 12,296
    quite irritating as had a lucky 15 on that would of paid 4/4 instead of 3/4 fuckers

    its blatant cheating/a jockey not being able to control his horse. 
  • CAFCsayer
    CAFCsayer Posts: 10,223
    That is a joke 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    I backed the 2nd too but layed it during the SE at 1.5 because I could see that coming. Nowadays, given that the Stewards have to be certain that the runner up would have won, only when there are very small winning margins are they turned over.

    In France and the US it is, of course, totally different and you only have to breathe on the next horse to get the order reversed.
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,842
    Addick Addict said:
    I backed the 2nd too but layed it during the SE at 1.5 because I could see that coming. Nowadays, given that the Stewards have to be certain that the runner up would have won, only when there are very small winning margins are they turned over.

    In France and the US it is, of course, totally different and you only have to breathe on the next horse to get the order reversed.


    Beat me to it.

    Looking at the finish the interferance, although real, was accidental (certainly not a deliberate act by the jockey) and based on the running of the second horse at the time of the interferance I'm not sure the interferance affected the result. No interferance and I believe the winner would have still won.

    That said, I can undertand the frustration felt by those who backed the second. 


  • snowinberlin
    snowinberlin Posts: 807
    Enable is surely a handful of lengths ahead of the field in the King George?  That weight advantage is basically handing it the race
  • superclive98
    superclive98 Posts: 4,766
    snowinberlin said:
    Enable is surely a handful of lengths ahead of the field in the King George?  That weight advantage is basically handing it the race
    Do you think that mares shouldn't receive an allowance then?
  • snowinberlin
    snowinberlin Posts: 807
    superclive98 said:
    snowinberlin said:
    Enable is surely a handful of lengths ahead of the field in the King George?  That weight advantage is basically handing it the race
    Do you think that mares shouldn't receive an allowance then?
    someone suggested if they had already won a group one against the males then no allowance
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  • superclive98
    superclive98 Posts: 4,766
    snowinberlin said:
    superclive98 said:
    snowinberlin said:
    Enable is surely a handful of lengths ahead of the field in the King George?  That weight advantage is basically handing it the race
    Do you think that mares shouldn't receive an allowance then?
    someone suggested if they had already won a group one against the males then no allowance
    You mean that ridiculous article in The Guardian. 
  • palarsehater
    palarsehater Posts: 12,296
    thought ascot might of been covered by itv today which would of been handy a quiet friday in the office, but we have 8 hours of tour de france covereage instead glee
  • snowinberlin
    snowinberlin Posts: 807
    superclive98 said:
    snowinberlin said:
    superclive98 said:
    snowinberlin said:
    Enable is surely a handful of lengths ahead of the field in the King George?  That weight advantage is basically handing it the race
    Do you think that mares shouldn't receive an allowance then?
    someone suggested if they had already won a group one against the males then no allowance
    You mean that ridiculous article in The Guardian. 
    Why is it ridiculous?  Enable is streets ahead of that field even without the allowance
  • Starinnaddick
    Starinnaddick Posts: 4,342
    snowinberlin said
    Enable is surely a handful of lengths ahead of the field in the King George?  That weight advantage is basically handing it the race
    Thats why the bookies are cramping the odds. 
    Personally I'll be more interested to see how the 3 y o form stands up with Antony Van Dycke running and getting 11lbs from the older colts.
    His sire Galileo was the last horse to win both in the same year. 
  • superclive98
    superclive98 Posts: 4,766
    edited July 2019
    snowinberlin said:
    superclive98 said:
    snowinberlin said:
    superclive98 said:
    snowinberlin said:
    Enable is surely a handful of lengths ahead of the field in the King George?  That weight advantage is basically handing it the race
    Do you think that mares shouldn't receive an allowance then?
    someone suggested if they had already won a group one against the males then no allowance
    You mean that ridiculous article in The Guardian. 
    Why is it ridiculous?  Enable is streets ahead of that field even without the allowance
    It's ridiculous because you can't just change the rules because one horse happens to be good.
    The mares' allowance is there for a reason. In non-pattern races the allowance is 5lbs and in national hunt races it is 7lbs.
    The problem is that the colts/horses that she is up against, although good horses, are not top notch group one horses. That isn't her fault. 
  • snowinberlin
    snowinberlin Posts: 807
    So the weight allowance won it for Enable
  • superclive98
    superclive98 Posts: 4,766
    snowinberlin said:
    So the weight allowance won it for Enable
    I thought that you said that she was streets ahead of the field, even without the allowance. 
  • PaddyP17
    PaddyP17 Posts: 13,035
    superclive98 said:
    snowinberlin said:
    So the weight allowance won it for Enable
    I thought that you said that she was streets ahead of the field, even without the allowance. 
    I think the conditions really suited Crystal Ocean in fairness. Loves the rain - what a race it was
  • superclive98
    superclive98 Posts: 4,766
    PaddyP17 said:
    superclive98 said:
    snowinberlin said:
    So the weight allowance won it for Enable
    I thought that you said that she was streets ahead of the field, even without the allowance. 
    I think the conditions really suited Crystal Ocean in fairness. Loves the rain - what a race it was
    It was a cracking race. I honestly think that everything went wrong in the race for Enable from that draw. She got held wide and then got shuffled towards the back.
    It was a great performance to win from there. 
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,842
    edited July 2019
    superclive98 said:
    PaddyP17 said:
    superclive98 said:
    snowinberlin said:
    So the weight allowance won it for Enable
    I thought that you said that she was streets ahead of the field, even without the allowance. 
    I think the conditions really suited Crystal Ocean in fairness. Loves the rain - what a race it was
    It was a cracking race. I honestly think that everything went wrong in the race for Enable from that draw. She got held wide and then got shuffled towards the back.
    It was a great performance to win from there. 
    Stunning race and a stunning performance by Enable and Frankie, against the highest rated horse in the world!
    Agreed she didn't have the best in-running but if anyone knows how to ride Ascot, it's Dettori. I don't believe she was headed at all in the run in and Frankie coaxed her home whilst Doyle was working overtime on Crystal Ocean.
    Magnificent mare.

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