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    I Had mixboy and sturnrubin 22/1 2nd should of had em in ew double 
    fancy one today broadclyst 40/1 hood record never heard of it before probably been winning on Scarborough beach. 
    Nice one. Nicked third.
    has fairly good PTP form só had a nibble at 50/1.
    paid for my footie bet tonight.
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    Love the sound of this.  


    Racing through the streets.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/horse-racing/47323015

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    Love the sound of this.  


    Racing through the streets.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/horse-racing/47323015

    I bet he who we don't mention on this thread will be the first in the queue for tickets!
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    Love the sound of this.  


    Racing through the streets.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/horse-racing/47323015

    I can see it now, the Boodles May meeting at Chester transferred to the Hanger Lane Gyratory System - might be a bit tight, but no tighter than the Roodee!
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    Miranda, been given a entry for Friday at Newbury, waiting to see f she is declared tomorrow, from what Nicholls is saying seems unlikely she will run in the mares novices at Cheltenham unless she bolts up Friday.
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    Had Mauna Kea in 3.10 16/1 come into 7/1 now 
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    dublin racing festival confirmed for 1st & 2nd feb 2020 will likely go over for this as been a qaulity card for last 2 years. 
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    edited March 2019
    15 runners for the whole card now at Lingfield and 27 at Fontwell.

    If trainers aren't careful they might just find that Arc will do the same as they did to Folkestone - close those courses too!


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    15 runners for the whole card now at Lingfield and 27 at Fontwell.

    If trainers aren't careful they might just find that Arc will do the same as they did to Folkestone - close those courses too!


    That’s ridiculous.
    4 out of the 6 races at Lingfield are 2 horse races.
    you could go through the card and not have enough winnings for a cab home. 

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    edited March 2019
    15 runners for the whole card now at Lingfield and 27 at Fontwell.

    If trainers aren't careful they might just find that Arc will do the same as they did to Folkestone - close those courses too!


    That’s ridiculous.


    4 out of the 6 races at Lingfield are 2 horse races.
    you could go through the card and not have enough winnings for a cab home. 

    And i still wouldn't be able to pick a winner.
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    15 runners for the whole card now at Lingfield and 27 at Fontwell.

    If trainers aren't careful they might just find that Arc will do the same as they did to Folkestone - close those courses too!


    I'm with the trainers on this one, though. The prize money offered at Arc courses is an absolute joke.

    Also, Betbright have ceased trading. Rich Ricci isn't exactly skint, and I find it really shady how they've voided all antepost bets - I can't imagine they'd have had that much liability.

    Then again, a friend in the industry has said they were apparently in the hole for £70m, so who knows.
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    betbright have been bought out by 888 imagine this will just be for use of the software/gamin etc. 
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    just incase anyone wants to attend have 2 spare tickets ( free ) for the betfair preview night at the emirates stadium 7.30 start can be sent over as pdf. 
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    15 runners for the whole card now at Lingfield and 27 at Fontwell.

    If trainers aren't careful they might just find that Arc will do the same as they did to Folkestone - close those courses too!


    That’s ridiculous.
    4 out of the 6 races at Lingfield are 2 horse races.
    you could go through the card and not have enough winnings for a cab home. 


    "The Lingfield Placepot pays £1.10" !
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    PaddyP17 said:
    15 runners for the whole card now at Lingfield and 27 at Fontwell.

    If trainers aren't careful they might just find that Arc will do the same as they did to Folkestone - close those courses too!


    I'm with the trainers on this one, though. The prize money offered at Arc courses is an absolute joke.

    Also, Betbright have ceased trading. Rich Ricci isn't exactly skint, and I find it really shady how they've voided all antepost bets - I can't imagine they'd have had that much liability.

    Then again, a friend in the industry has said they were apparently in the hole for £70m, so who knows.
    Hmmm ;-)
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    bobmunro said:
    15 runners for the whole card now at Lingfield and 27 at Fontwell.

    If trainers aren't careful they might just find that Arc will do the same as they did to Folkestone - close those courses too!


    That’s ridiculous.
    4 out of the 6 races at Lingfield are 2 horse races.
    you could go through the card and not have enough winnings for a cab home. 


    "The Lingfield Placepot pays £1.10" !

    It might pay more than the win acca   
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    PaddyP17 said:
    15 runners for the whole card now at Lingfield and 27 at Fontwell.

    If trainers aren't careful they might just find that Arc will do the same as they did to Folkestone - close those courses too!


    I'm with the trainers on this one, though. The prize money offered at Arc courses is an absolute joke.

    Also, Betbright have ceased trading. Rich Ricci isn't exactly skint, and I find it really shady how they've voided all antepost bets - I can't imagine they'd have had that much liability.

    Then again, a friend in the industry has said they were apparently in the hole for £70m, so who knows.
    I reckon that they should shave 25% off the value of all Group and Listed races and re-distribute it across the rest of racing. That would really rattle the trainers who are protesting and bullying the most and make a difference to the rest of racing.

    And talking about bullying - how easy is it for these top trainers who don't support the likes of Danny Brock by giving him rides to say to him that he shouldn't ride today as there will be consequences for him to do so. Especially when those trainers will still get paid by their owners but Danny Brock won't for sitting at home.
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    edited March 2019
    PaddyP17 said:
    15 runners for the whole card now at Lingfield and 27 at Fontwell.

    If trainers aren't careful they might just find that Arc will do the same as they did to Folkestone - close those courses too!


    I'm with the trainers on this one, though. The prize money offered at Arc courses is an absolute joke.

    Also, Betbright have ceased trading. Rich Ricci isn't exactly skint, and I find it really shady how they've voided all antepost bets - I can't imagine they'd have had that much liability.

    Then again, a friend in the industry has said they were apparently in the hole for £70m, so who knows.
    I reckon that they should shave 25% off the value of all Group and Listed races and re-distribute it across the rest of racing. That would really rattle the trainers who are protesting and bullying the most and make a difference to the rest of racing.

    And talking about bullying - how easy is it for these top trainers who don't support the likes of Danny Brock by giving him rides to say to him that he shouldn't ride today as there will be consequences for him to do so. Especially when those trainers will still get paid by their owners but Danny Brock won't for sitting at home.


    Maximum of two runners per owner in every Group and Listed race and a maximum of four entries - or they are all coupled for betting purposes!

    If it forces the likes of O'Learly (spit) or Ricci out then sobeit - the best horses will still run. 

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    PaddyP17 said:
    15 runners for the whole card now at Lingfield and 27 at Fontwell.

    If trainers aren't careful they might just find that Arc will do the same as they did to Folkestone - close those courses too!


    I'm with the trainers on this one, though. The prize money offered at Arc courses is an absolute joke.

    Also, Betbright have ceased trading. Rich Ricci isn't exactly skint, and I find it really shady how they've voided all antepost bets - I can't imagine they'd have had that much liability.

    Then again, a friend in the industry has said they were apparently in the hole for £70m, so who knows.
    I reckon that they should shave 25% off the value of all Group and Listed races and re-distribute it across the rest of racing. That would really rattle the trainers who are protesting and bullying the most and make a difference to the rest of racing.

    And talking about bullying - how easy is it for these top trainers who don't support the likes of Danny Brock by giving him rides to say to him that he shouldn't ride today as there will be consequences for him to do so. Especially when those trainers will still get paid by their owners but Danny Brock won't for sitting at home.
    Oh, I should have clarified that I'm with the trainers on the boycott, but I think the way Danny Brock and the like are being treated is pretty horrendous. I hope he has a massive day - he has kids to feed and he's got a great opportunity to grab some money.

    I saw Olly Murphy (who I do quite like incidentally) claiming those running horses today were being greedy - but no. A fair amount of these stables are having crap years and need the extra revenue, even if it's a few thousand for a race at Lingfield.

    In an ideal world, of course, every stable would be financially able to boycott, but that just isn't the case.
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    edited March 2019
    BetBright sold their trading platform to 888 for £15m. Because of that they maintained that they had to close their sportsbook (which they didn't sell) by settling all ante post bets as N/Rs (apart from parts of those bets that were already winners).

    Rich Ricci has now come out and said that, as a "goodwill gesture", they will now honour those bets.

    Three things have come out of this:

    (1) All bookmakers should be made to prove that they have the funds to honour all bets within any specific book and those funds should be ring fenced - if an individual lays a horse or horses on Betfair they cannot have a liability on any market without having already deposited adequate funds. Bookmakers should be no different and if they don't have sufficient funds then they should be offloading that liability on to a bookie that does. 

    Edit - they are not honouring all ante post bets - it's only Cheltenham ones and the rest they are voiding.  

    (2) The so called Gambling Commission has, as usual, gone into hiding over this issue.

    (3) "Rich" Ricci is "Rich" Ricci for a reason.

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    BetBright sold their trading platform to 888 for £15m. Because of that they maintained that they had to close their sportsbook (which they didn't sell) by settling all ante post bets as N/Rs (apart from parts of those bets that were already winners).

    Rich Ricci has now come out and said that, as a "goodwill gesture", they will now honour those bets.

    Three things have come out of this:

    (1) All bookmakers should be made to prove that they have the funds to honour all bets within any specific book and those funds should be ring fenced - if an individual lays a horse or horses on Betfair they cannot have a liability on any market without having already deposited adequate funds. Bookmakers should be no different and if they don't have sufficient funds then they should be offloading that liability on to a bookie that does. 100% agree - some bookmakers do but it should be compulsory.  

    (2) The so called Gambling Commission has, as usual, gone into hiding over this issue. About as much use as a two bob watch.

    (3) "Rich" Ricci is "Rich" Ricci for a reason. He is just exhibiting the behaviour of a lot of rich people - i.e. couldn't give a shit.


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    Maybe he got his morals from his time at Barclays?
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    Northstandsteve are you at Wincanton today as I see Miranda is running?
    One of my horses is running there today,Alan Dugdale from here has ventured into this one too.
    Mystical Knight bought for a bargain and thrown in on form two years ago.......been off for a year and haven’t a clue what to expect today
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    Sorry mate just seen this, no I'm at work, she pissed it but at 2/5 on , didn't play, it seems she now has no entries for Cheltenham which is a shame.
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    bobmunro said:
    15 runners for the whole card now at Lingfield and 27 at Fontwell.

    If trainers aren't careful they might just find that Arc will do the same as they did to Folkestone - close those courses too!


    That’s ridiculous.
    4 out of the 6 races at Lingfield are 2 horse races.
    you could go through the card and not have enough winnings for a cab home. 


    "The Lingfield Placepot pays £1.10" !

    It might pay more than the win acca   
    The SP Acca would have returned £41.58 to a £1 stake. The Placepot paid £53.00 :-)
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    BetBright sold their trading platform to 888 for £15m. Because of that they maintained that they had to close their sportsbook (which they didn't sell) by settling all ante post bets as N/Rs (apart from parts of those bets that were already winners).

    Rich Ricci has now come out and said that, as a "goodwill gesture", they will now honour those bets.

    Three things have come out of this:

    (1) All bookmakers should be made to prove that they have the funds to honour all bets within any specific book and those funds should be ring fenced - if an individual lays a horse or horses on Betfair they cannot have a liability on any market without having already deposited adequate funds. Bookmakers should be no different and if they don't have sufficient funds then they should be offloading that liability on to a bookie that does. 

    Edit - they are not honouring all ante post bets - it's only Cheltenham ones and the rest they are voiding.  

    (2) The so called Gambling Commission has, as usual, gone into hiding over this issue.

    (3) "Rich" Ricci is "Rich" Ricci for a reason.


    888 are honouring Cheltenham ante-post - not Ricci.
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    bobmunro said:
    BetBright sold their trading platform to 888 for £15m. Because of that they maintained that they had to close their sportsbook (which they didn't sell) by settling all ante post bets as N/Rs (apart from parts of those bets that were already winners).

    Rich Ricci has now come out and said that, as a "goodwill gesture", they will now honour those bets.

    Three things have come out of this:

    (1) All bookmakers should be made to prove that they have the funds to honour all bets within any specific book and those funds should be ring fenced - if an individual lays a horse or horses on Betfair they cannot have a liability on any market without having already deposited adequate funds. Bookmakers should be no different and if they don't have sufficient funds then they should be offloading that liability on to a bookie that does. 

    Edit - they are not honouring all ante post bets - it's only Cheltenham ones and the rest they are voiding.  

    (2) The so called Gambling Commission has, as usual, gone into hiding over this issue.

    (3) "Rich" Ricci is "Rich" Ricci for a reason.


    888 are honouring Cheltenham ante-post - not Ricci.
    That is, indeed, correct - they sold the technological arm of Betbright, Dedsert Limited to 888 and wound up the rest of the company namely Kelfast Limited under which they would have had the liabilities.

    Ricci's arguments are laughable especially with regards to non Cheltenham bets:

    "I'm sorry for people who thought they were on a winner and the price had  shortened...........At least with this timing it gives people the opportunity to do something else with their money".

    So, you've backed Luton for £100 @ 20/1 to win League 1. You now get your stake back and can back them @ 1/3! 

    Ricci wouldn't have lasted long in the City doing that but then they were/are regulated by the FSA/FCA and they would have done something about it. Unlike the Gambling Commission. 
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    Danny Brock backers will be pleased today, 33/1 and 16/1 winners in small fields.
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