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  • I don't think you can judge anything on a 45 minute kick about on a 3G pitch.

    When they get back from the Spain trip I'll take a bit more notice.

    Isn't our new pitch 3G?

    Simon church continuing his brilliant form from last season

    surely bp will get the church truth after this tournee? then, on loan to orient/gillingham/swindon...and quietly released after this season...
    Try supporting him this season instead of slagging him off all the time then you might see a better player.
    Truth hurts .... He's simply useless.

    I cannot understand some peoples comments on here!
    I'm sorry but he really, simply, definitely, is not useless! I'm not he's greatest fan but come on man the man is a Welsh International footballer, his scoring record is not great I grant you but surely you can't criticise his work rate and help for his team.
    I really think if everyone got behind him and gave him a bit of support we might see an improved player. What good does constantly slagging off our own players???
    I know everyone is entitled to their opinion and it is a public forum but I do find it a bit tiring and very counter productive........

    For what it's worth this is "only" my opinion!!

    COYR....



    You get the feeling Church could get man of the match every week and he will still be slagged off. Certain people have their talons in him and there is nothing that can change that until he's hounded out.
    Just ask Kevin Lisbie , David Mooney and Simon Francis ( to name just a few ) who all went on to do well at clubs who's fans got behind them.
    I understand Super Kev can only train a couple of times a week for O's, a division below us. Still put money on him to outscore Spongefoot at any level. My most hated player since clean shorts. Stealing a living.
    Who was clean shorts?
  • Anybody trying to evaluate performances from a 45 minute game 7 days after pre season resumed needs their head testing

    Can't agree more with that. Give them a break!
  • cafc4life said:

    Anybody trying to evaluate performances from a 45 minute game 7 days after pre season resumed needs their head testing

    Can't agree more with that. Give them a break!
    ...and I'll second that big style. Nothing more than a glorified training session. Relax everyone!


  • Maybe worth trying to remember that age old saying that if you can't say anything good about someone, then don't say anything at all ?

    Unless it's Jermain Defoe of course.
  • thought it was a decent kick-around, passing wasn't great but it is the first friendly
    shame the front pair couldn't get a decent hold on the game but this was a very weak side anyways
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  • I don't think you can judge anything on a 45 minute kick about on a 3G pitch.

    When they get back from the Spain trip I'll take a bit more notice.

    Isn't our new pitch 3G?

    Simon church continuing his brilliant form from last season

    surely bp will get the church truth after this tournee? then, on loan to orient/gillingham/swindon...and quietly released after this season...
    Try supporting him this season instead of slagging him off all the time then you might see a better player.
    Truth hurts .... He's simply useless.

    I cannot understand some peoples comments on here!
    I'm sorry but he really, simply, definitely, is not useless! I'm not he's greatest fan but come on man the man is a Welsh International footballer, his scoring record is not great I grant you but surely you can't criticise his work rate and help for his team.
    I really think if everyone got behind him and gave him a bit of support we might see an improved player. What good does constantly slagging off our own players???
    I know everyone is entitled to their opinion and it is a public forum but I do find it a bit tiring and very counter productive........

    For what it's worth this is "only" my opinion!!

    COYR....



    You get the feeling Church could get man of the match every week and he will still be slagged off. Certain people have their talons in him and there is nothing that can change that until he's hounded out.
    Just ask Kevin Lisbie , David Mooney and Simon Francis ( to name just a few ) who all went on to do well at clubs who's fans got behind them.
    I understand Super Kev can only train a couple of times a week for O's, a division below us. Still put money on him to outscore Spongefoot at any level. My most hated player since clean shorts. Stealing a living.
    Who was clean shorts?
    Matt Hollands. Captain. Parker's replacement. Ran around a lot but ball had moved forward by the time he got there. Midfielder. 15y+ senior career never booked. Was it chopper Harris said after a late tackle " I got there as soon as I could ref" With MH not only the ball but the player had gone by the time he turned up.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Holland

    Read his wiki, I think you are being a bit harsh but what do I know, I never disliked Kevin Lisbie!
  • Not bothered by the result. Just a quick stretch of legs. Would rather this tournament later in preseason. Looking forward to Welling and this season as a whole.
  • Simon church continuing his brilliant form from last season

    surely bp will get the church truth after this tournee? then, on loan to orient/gillingham/swindon...and quietly released after this season...
    Try supporting him this season instead of slagging him off all the time then you might see a better player.
    Truth hurts .... He's simply useless.

    I cannot understand some peoples comments on here!
    I'm sorry but he really, simply, definitely, is not useless! I'm not he's greatest fan but come on man the man is a Welsh International footballer, his scoring record is not great I grant you but surely you can't criticise his work rate and help for his team.
    I really think if everyone got behind him and gave him a bit of support we might see an improved player. What good does constantly slagging off our own players???
    I know everyone is entitled to their opinion and it is a public forum but I do find it a bit tiring and very counter productive........

    For what it's worth this is "only" my opinion!!

    COYR....



    The thing with church is I think he could really excel in the right team! As you say he is not a natural goal scorer. If he was partnered with someone who knocked them in for fun with a creative midfield with a bit of pace behind him he would come good! He does the hard work and often unnoticed stuff and he does it very well! And on this situation he may even chip in with five or six goals in a season! Last year with everything that went on he was never gonna do well, the team wasn't in a position to benefit from the hard work he put in and he was expected to play as a goal poacher which is not his game!
    Did you just copy and paste what his agent emailed to the club last summer?

  • cafc4life said:

    Anybody trying to evaluate performances from a 45 minute game 7 days after pre season resumed needs their head testing

    Can't agree more with that. Give them a break!
    ...and I'll second that big style. Nothing more than a glorified training session. Relax everyone!
    Morro seemed to be taking it pretty seriously!
  • Croydon said:

    Simon church continuing his brilliant form from last season

    surely bp will get the church truth after this tournee? then, on loan to orient/gillingham/swindon...and quietly released after this season...
    Try supporting him this season instead of slagging him off all the time then you might see a better player.
    Truth hurts .... He's simply useless.

    I cannot understand some peoples comments on here!
    I'm sorry but he really, simply, definitely, is not useless! I'm not he's greatest fan but come on man the man is a Welsh International footballer, his scoring record is not great I grant you but surely you can't criticise his work rate and help for his team.
    I really think if everyone got behind him and gave him a bit of support we might see an improved player. What good does constantly slagging off our own players???
    I know everyone is entitled to their opinion and it is a public forum but I do find it a bit tiring and very counter productive........

    For what it's worth this is "only" my opinion!!

    COYR....



    The thing with church is I think he could really excel in the right team! As you say he is not a natural goal scorer. If he was partnered with someone who knocked them in for fun with a creative midfield with a bit of pace behind him he would come good! He does the hard work and often unnoticed stuff and he does it very well! And on this situation he may even chip in with five or six goals in a season! Last year with everything that went on he was never gonna do well, the team wasn't in a position to benefit from the hard work he put in and he was expected to play as a goal poacher which is not his game!
    Did you just copy and paste what his agent emailed to the club last summer?

    Maybe I am his agent! ;)

    Actually I'm not but if your looking for a new one churchy I'm available! Ice to Eskimos comes to mind! ;)
  • I don't think you can judge anything on a 45 minute kick about on a 3G pitch.

    When they get back from the Spain trip I'll take a bit more notice.

    Isn't our new pitch 3G?

    Simon church continuing his brilliant form from last season

    surely bp will get the church truth after this tournee? then, on loan to orient/gillingham/swindon...and quietly released after this season...
    Try supporting him this season instead of slagging him off all the time then you might see a better player.
    Truth hurts .... He's simply useless.

    I cannot understand some peoples comments on here!
    I'm sorry but he really, simply, definitely, is not useless! I'm not he's greatest fan but come on man the man is a Welsh International footballer, his scoring record is not great I grant you but surely you can't criticise his work rate and help for his team.
    I really think if everyone got behind him and gave him a bit of support we might see an improved player. What good does constantly slagging off our own players???
    I know everyone is entitled to their opinion and it is a public forum but I do find it a bit tiring and very counter productive........

    For what it's worth this is "only" my opinion!!

    COYR....



    You get the feeling Church could get man of the match every week and he will still be slagged off. Certain people have their talons in him and there is nothing that can change that until he's hounded out.
    Just ask Kevin Lisbie , David Mooney and Simon Francis ( to name just a few ) who all went on to do well at clubs who's fans got behind them.
    I understand Super Kev can only train a couple of times a week for O's, a division below us. Still put money on him to outscore Spongefoot at any level. My most hated player since clean shorts. Stealing a living.
    Who was clean shorts?
    Matt Hollands. Captain. Parker's replacement. Ran around a lot but ball had moved forward by the time he got there. Midfielder. 15y+ senior career never booked. Was it chopper Harris said after a late tackle " I got there as soon as I could ref" With MH not only the ball but the player had gone by the time he turned up.
    All you're saying is how little you understand a player's role in the team.


    And Matt Holland wasn't Parker's replacement, he played alongside Parker in the same team.

  • I don't think you can judge anything on a 45 minute kick about on a 3G pitch.

    When they get back from the Spain trip I'll take a bit more notice.

    Isn't our new pitch 3G?

    Simon church continuing his brilliant form from last season

    surely bp will get the church truth after this tournee? then, on loan to orient/gillingham/swindon...and quietly released after this season...
    Try supporting him this season instead of slagging him off all the time then you might see a better player.
    Truth hurts .... He's simply useless.

    I cannot understand some peoples comments on here!
    I'm sorry but he really, simply, definitely, is not useless! I'm not he's greatest fan but come on man the man is a Welsh International footballer, his scoring record is not great I grant you but surely you can't criticise his work rate and help for his team.
    I really think if everyone got behind him and gave him a bit of support we might see an improved player. What good does constantly slagging off our own players???
    I know everyone is entitled to their opinion and it is a public forum but I do find it a bit tiring and very counter productive........

    For what it's worth this is "only" my opinion!!

    COYR....



    You get the feeling Church could get man of the match every week and he will still be slagged off. Certain people have their talons in him and there is nothing that can change that until he's hounded out.
    Just ask Kevin Lisbie , David Mooney and Simon Francis ( to name just a few ) who all went on to do well at clubs who's fans got behind them.
    I understand Super Kev can only train a couple of times a week for O's, a division below us. Still put money on him to outscore Spongefoot at any level. At least he'd give a defender a hard time. Church is like a cartoon where he runs around, supposedly eluding the guard dog/cat until the crucial moment when he gets swatted against the wall. My most hated player since clean shorts. Stealing a living.
    Just weird & wrong on so many levels.
  • I don't think you can judge anything on a 45 minute kick about on a 3G pitch.

    When they get back from the Spain trip I'll take a bit more notice.

    Isn't our new pitch 3G?

    Simon church continuing his brilliant form from last season

    surely bp will get the church truth after this tournee? then, on loan to orient/gillingham/swindon...and quietly released after this season...
    Try supporting him this season instead of slagging him off all the time then you might see a better player.
    Truth hurts .... He's simply useless.

    I cannot understand some peoples comments on here!
    I'm sorry but he really, simply, definitely, is not useless! I'm not he's greatest fan but come on man the man is a Welsh International footballer, his scoring record is not great I grant you but surely you can't criticise his work rate and help for his team.
    I really think if everyone got behind him and gave him a bit of support we might see an improved player. What good does constantly slagging off our own players???
    I know everyone is entitled to their opinion and it is a public forum but I do find it a bit tiring and very counter productive........

    For what it's worth this is "only" my opinion!!

    COYR....



    You get the feeling Church could get man of the match every week and he will still be slagged off. Certain people have their talons in him and there is nothing that can change that until he's hounded out.
    Just ask Kevin Lisbie , David Mooney and Simon Francis ( to name just a few ) who all went on to do well at clubs who's fans got behind them.
    I understand Super Kev can only train a couple of times a week for O's, a division below us. Still put money on him to outscore Spongefoot at any level. My most hated player since clean shorts. Stealing a living.
    Who was clean shorts?
    Matt Hollands. Captain. Parker's replacement. Ran around a lot but ball had moved forward by the time he got there. Midfielder. 15y+ senior career never booked. Was it chopper Harris said after a late tackle " I got there as soon as I could ref" With MH not only the ball but the player had gone by the time he turned up.
    Even weirder!
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  • How can people be this negative about a 45 min pre season game against a team 2 weeks ahead of us in terms of training with our team only starting pre season with a football on Monday (only fitness last week I think?) also the team we played against have a champs league qualifier in a few weeks time

    ALL that matters is fitness and start to get match sharpness in pre season. Anyone remember Piggott at welling last year? He was going to be our savior!
  • So I fast forwarded to find out result.
    2-0 defeat must mean we are already relegated and SL fans will be lumping on themselves to conquer Europe.
  • Chrispy51 said:

    How can people be this negative about a 45 min pre season game against a team 2 weeks ahead of us in terms of training with our team only starting pre season with a football on Monday (only fitness last week I think?) also the team we played against have a champs league qualifier in a few weeks time

    ALL that matters is fitness and start to get match sharpness in pre season. Anyone remember Piggott at welling last year? He was going to be our savior!

    I agree, but then you have to question the wisdom of the "network" hyping this up. Should have come three weeks later. Except that the Euro leagues tend to start earlier than ours. Yes, well that's the problem Roland, football isn't like other businesses.
  • It was a good run out for Sint Truiden's new floodlights...
  • edited July 2014
    Oggy Red said:

    I don't think you can judge anything on a 45 minute kick about on a 3G pitch.

    When they get back from the Spain trip I'll take a bit more notice.

    Isn't our new pitch 3G?

    Simon church continuing his brilliant form from last season

    surely bp will get the church truth after this tournee? then, on loan to orient/gillingham/swindon...and quietly released after this season...
    Try supporting him this season instead of slagging him off all the time then you might see a better player.
    Truth hurts .... He's simply useless.

    I cannot understand some peoples comments on here!
    I'm sorry but he really, simply, definitely, is not useless! I'm not he's greatest fan but come on man the man is a Welsh International footballer, his scoring record is not great I grant you but surely you can't criticise his work rate and help for his team.
    I really think if everyone got behind him and gave him a bit of support we might see an improved player. What good does constantly slagging off our own players???
    I know everyone is entitled to their opinion and it is a public forum but I do find it a bit tiring and very counter productive........

    For what it's worth this is "only" my opinion!!

    COYR....



    You get the feeling Church could get man of the match every week and he will still be slagged off. Certain people have their talons in him and there is nothing that can change that until he's hounded out.
    Just ask Kevin Lisbie , David Mooney and Simon Francis ( to name just a few ) who all went on to do well at clubs who's fans got behind them.
    I understand Super Kev can only train a couple of times a week for O's, a division below us. Still put money on him to outscore Spongefoot at any level. My most hated player since clean shorts. Stealing a living.
    Who was clean shorts?
    Matt Hollands. Captain. Parker's replacement. Ran around a lot but ball had moved forward by the time he got there. Midfielder. 15y+ senior career never booked. Was it chopper Harris said after a late tackle " I got there as soon as I could ref" With MH not only the ball but the player had gone by the time he turned up.
    All you're saying is how little you understand a player's role in the team.


    And Matt Holland wasn't Parker's replacement, he played alongside Parker in the same team.

    Did he tackle? No
    Did he pass forward? No
    Did he go past players? No
    Could he pick out an incisive pass? No
    Could he pick up a runner? No
    Did he keep the ball moving at a high tempo (a la Diego) No
    Was he comfortable on the ball? No
    Did he try to gee up the crowd? Yes
    Was he instrumental in the dressing room bust up? Yes
    Were his shorts always clean? Yes
  • Oggy Red said:

    I don't think you can judge anything on a 45 minute kick about on a 3G pitch.

    When they get back from the Spain trip I'll take a bit more notice.

    Isn't our new pitch 3G?

    Simon church continuing his brilliant form from last season

    surely bp will get the church truth after this tournee? then, on loan to orient/gillingham/swindon...and quietly released after this season...
    Try supporting him this season instead of slagging him off all the time then you might see a better player.
    Truth hurts .... He's simply useless.

    I cannot understand some peoples comments on here!
    I'm sorry but he really, simply, definitely, is not useless! I'm not he's greatest fan but come on man the man is a Welsh International footballer, his scoring record is not great I grant you but surely you can't criticise his work rate and help for his team.
    I really think if everyone got behind him and gave him a bit of support we might see an improved player. What good does constantly slagging off our own players???
    I know everyone is entitled to their opinion and it is a public forum but I do find it a bit tiring and very counter productive........

    For what it's worth this is "only" my opinion!!

    COYR....



    You get the feeling Church could get man of the match every week and he will still be slagged off. Certain people have their talons in him and there is nothing that can change that until he's hounded out.
    Just ask Kevin Lisbie , David Mooney and Simon Francis ( to name just a few ) who all went on to do well at clubs who's fans got behind them.
    I understand Super Kev can only train a couple of times a week for O's, a division below us. Still put money on him to outscore Spongefoot at any level. My most hated player since clean shorts. Stealing a living.
    Who was clean shorts?
    Matt Hollands. Captain. Parker's replacement. Ran around a lot but ball had moved forward by the time he got there. Midfielder. 15y+ senior career never booked. Was it chopper Harris said after a late tackle " I got there as soon as I could ref" With MH not only the ball but the player had gone by the time he turned up.
    All you're saying is how little you understand a player's role in the team.


    And Matt Holland wasn't Parker's replacement, he played alongside Parker in the same team.

    Did he tackle? No
    Did he pass forward? No
    Did he go past players? No
    Could he pick out an incisive pass? No
    Could he pick up a runner? No
    Did he keep the ball moving at a high tempo (a la Diego) No
    Was he comfortable on the ball? No
    Did he try to gee up the crowd? Yes
    Was he instrumental in the dressing room bust up? Yes
    Were his shorts always clean? Yes
    Perhaps I should defer to your superior reading and understanding of the game .... ?



  • Oggy Red said:

    I don't think you can judge anything on a 45 minute kick about on a 3G pitch.

    When they get back from the Spain trip I'll take a bit more notice.

    Isn't our new pitch 3G?

    Simon church continuing his brilliant form from last season

    surely bp will get the church truth after this tournee? then, on loan to orient/gillingham/swindon...and quietly released after this season...
    Try supporting him this season instead of slagging him off all the time then you might see a better player.
    Truth hurts .... He's simply useless.

    I cannot understand some peoples comments on here!
    I'm sorry but he really, simply, definitely, is not useless! I'm not he's greatest fan but come on man the man is a Welsh International footballer, his scoring record is not great I grant you but surely you can't criticise his work rate and help for his team.
    I really think if everyone got behind him and gave him a bit of support we might see an improved player. What good does constantly slagging off our own players???
    I know everyone is entitled to their opinion and it is a public forum but I do find it a bit tiring and very counter productive........

    For what it's worth this is "only" my opinion!!

    COYR....



    You get the feeling Church could get man of the match every week and he will still be slagged off. Certain people have their talons in him and there is nothing that can change that until he's hounded out.
    Just ask Kevin Lisbie , David Mooney and Simon Francis ( to name just a few ) who all went on to do well at clubs who's fans got behind them.
    I understand Super Kev can only train a couple of times a week for O's, a division below us. Still put money on him to outscore Spongefoot at any level. My most hated player since clean shorts. Stealing a living.
    Who was clean shorts?
    Matt Hollands. Captain. Parker's replacement. Ran around a lot but ball had moved forward by the time he got there. Midfielder. 15y+ senior career never booked. Was it chopper Harris said after a late tackle " I got there as soon as I could ref" With MH not only the ball but the player had gone by the time he turned up.
    All you're saying is how little you understand a player's role in the team.


    And Matt Holland wasn't Parker's replacement, he played alongside Parker in the same team.

    Did he tackle? No
    Did he pass forward? No
    Did he go past players? No
    Could he pick out an incisive pass? No
    Could he pick up a runner? No
    Did he keep the ball moving at a high tempo (a la Diego) No
    Was he comfortable on the ball? No
    Did he try to gee up the crowd? Yes
    Was he instrumental in the dressing room bust up? Yes
    Were his shorts always clean? Yes
    Matt Holland instrumental in dressing room bust ups. I've heard it all now .
  • Really do not understand the need, which is growing season after season, for fans to slag off players they hate/dislike.
    What part of them thinks this will get a better performance out of them. Ben Hamer and laurie Wilson spring to mind, football is about confidence so why knock it out of them.
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