Nego, Lennon, Ansah, Church have all been very poor , The rest have shown some promise, 'especially Moussa and Buyens
If Peeters and Duchatelet see it the same way then time to get that chequebook out again. I don't see Ansah or Church in our best 18 players if we are taking this season seriously. Will be good to see Vetokele tomorrow - might get down to Welling so I can see for myself. I won't rush to judge Nego - he's either rated as a reserve right back or he's better off at another network club. That Liege keeper looked handy - I wonder if he's available?
45 minutes into our pre season and i'm despairing already at some of our so called fans. How on earth can you make judgment on players on what you saw there? even from respected people who should know better.
Who seriously makes assessments with a 1/2 game after a few days training like this? What's the point? Meaningless.
Just what I was about to post. Didn't watch, don't even know the score, but we have been back training for a few days, a few new players, a 45 minute game. You can't seriously read anything into this.
45 minutes into our pre season and i'm despairing already at some of our so called fans. How on earth can you make judgment on players on what you saw there? even from respected people who should know better.
A professional footballer does not lose their profession after a holiday and a few cakes, you can't take much from the game but you can take a little. The biggest reason for mistakes would have been lack of experience with each other and nerves, even Popey looked full of nerves.
Lennon was skipped past for lieges first goal not Nego! Morro was indeed done by the bonce on the 3G! We will i think need a first team keeper even though Pope did ok although 2nd goal was soft! I thought Munns played well Buyens started well as did Moussa! Ansah will improve but a serious need for Churchy to hold the ball up, Cywka looked ok worth signing as backup
Hard to say a lot based on that. I thought ansah showed a couple of nice touches. I liked buyens and moussa. Nego looked good going forward but was beaten too easily for the first goal.
I don't know if we are 'judging' players as such, more each of us responding to what we have seen at this very early stage. If the game is promoted to us fans as happening, with supposed packages to go there, and to tune into youtube, then Charlton Athletic are not saying it is a behind closed doors thing, and it is open to be commented on. It could be a different story tomorrow against lesser opposition.
Can I just point out, that "everyone's" arguing, but "everyone" has said that you "can't make judgements on 45 minutes of the first pre-season friendly"!
Are we arguing about the kinds of judgements we're not making, or the tone with which we're not making them?
of the 11 who started I would guess that only 3 of those will start at Brentford, that is Morro, Moussa & Buyens. That's not to say that the others won't work their way into the starting eleven nor that they were poor. As others have said we should't make judgements on 45mins on plastic but we are fans and we do.
and Morrison didn't make a mistake for the second goal then I suppose. I must remember to get a pair of those minion glasses they wear in Despicable Me.
C'mon Golfie, that's a strange comment even by your standards! Who mentioned Morrison?
Anyway. The team as a whole were pretty rubbish. But can't read much into for the obvious reasons.
Anyone looking to judge how we'll do in the league this season based on that 45 minutes is being unfair. However, you have to look at the trajectory we're on. Some of us will say everything's going according to an infallible master plan. I'm sceptical and doubt we'll be competitive, but certainly not just because of that 45 minutes. I don't think we have enough right now for the Championship, but as the saying goes, "I hope I'm proved wrong."
But a 3G pitch is NOT a level playing field, Lookie
Looked pretty level to me...not a bump or divot anywhere to be seen!!
of the 11 who started I would guess that only 3 of those will start at Brentford, that is Morro, Moussa & Buyens. That's not to say that the others won't work their way into the starting eleven nor that they were poor. As others have said we should't make judgements on 45mins on plastic but we are fans and we do.
Simon church continuing his brilliant form from last season
surely bp will get the church truth after this tournee? then, on loan to orient/gillingham/swindon...and quietly released after this season...
Try supporting him this season instead of slagging him off all the time then you might see a better player.
Truth hurts .... He's simply useless.
I cannot understand some peoples comments on here! I'm sorry but he really, simply, definitely, is not useless! I'm not he's greatest fan but come on man the man is a Welsh International footballer, his scoring record is not great I grant you but surely you can't criticise his work rate and help for his team. I really think if everyone got behind him and gave him a bit of support we might see an improved player. What good does constantly slagging off our own players??? I know everyone is entitled to their opinion and it is a public forum but I do find it a bit tiring and very counter productive........
Simon church continuing his brilliant form from last season
surely bp will get the church truth after this tournee? then, on loan to orient/gillingham/swindon...and quietly released after this season...
Try supporting him this season instead of slagging him off all the time then you might see a better player.
Truth hurts .... He's simply useless.
I cannot understand some peoples comments on here! I'm sorry but he really, simply, definitely, is not useless! I'm not he's greatest fan but come on man the man is a Welsh International footballer, his scoring record is not great I grant you but surely you can't criticise his work rate and help for his team. I really think if everyone got behind him and gave him a bit of support we might see an improved player. What good does constantly slagging off our own players??? I know everyone is entitled to their opinion and it is a public forum but I do find it a bit tiring and very counter productive........
For what it's worth this is "only" my opinion!!
COYR....
You get the feeling Church could get man of the match every week and he will still be slagged off. Certain people have their talons in him and there is nothing that can change that until he's hounded out. Just ask Kevin Lisbie , David Mooney and Simon Francis ( to name just a few ) who all went on to do well at clubs who's fans got behind them.
Don't think people are making judgments on the players so much as describing how they played on the day. I'm ashamed to say I just forgot about the match so I'm grateful for all the varied opinions on the players today. Cheers everyone
Simon church continuing his brilliant form from last season
surely bp will get the church truth after this tournee? then, on loan to orient/gillingham/swindon...and quietly released after this season...
Try supporting him this season instead of slagging him off all the time then you might see a better player.
Truth hurts .... He's simply useless.
I cannot understand some peoples comments on here! I'm sorry but he really, simply, definitely, is not useless! I'm not he's greatest fan but come on man the man is a Welsh International footballer, his scoring record is not great I grant you but surely you can't criticise his work rate and help for his team. I really think if everyone got behind him and gave him a bit of support we might see an improved player. What good does constantly slagging off our own players??? I know everyone is entitled to their opinion and it is a public forum but I do find it a bit tiring and very counter productive........
Simon church continuing his brilliant form from last season
surely bp will get the church truth after this tournee? then, on loan to orient/gillingham/swindon...and quietly released after this season...
Try supporting him this season instead of slagging him off all the time then you might see a better player.
Truth hurts .... He's simply useless.
I cannot understand some peoples comments on here! I'm sorry but he really, simply, definitely, is not useless! I'm not he's greatest fan but come on man the man is a Welsh International footballer, his scoring record is not great I grant you but surely you can't criticise his work rate and help for his team. I really think if everyone got behind him and gave him a bit of support we might see an improved player. What good does constantly slagging off our own players??? I know everyone is entitled to their opinion and it is a public forum but I do find it a bit tiring and very counter productive........
For what it's worth this is "only" my opinion!!
COYR....
You get the feeling Church could get man of the match every week and he will still be slagged off. Certain people have their talons in him and there is nothing that can change that until he's hounded out. Just ask Kevin Lisbie , David Mooney and Simon Francis ( to name just a few ) who all went on to do well at clubs who's fans got behind them.
I have nothing against Simon Church and I hope he does well for us, and that he does prove me wrong.
But come on!!! He is awful.. He's had enough chances last season. Also hence why we have signed and been linked to many forwards.
Blimey how many days are we back from the break and some are expecting the players to be super fit. Nego sounds like a player who we maybe sending out on loan for a season to a lower level club, playing like a player we're sending out on loan for a season to a lower level club. Munn making a rare senior appearance and Ansah starting with us for the first time.
If we have the same gripes, albeit with different players in just over s months time thats when we can moan.
Simon church continuing his brilliant form from last season
surely bp will get the church truth after this tournee? then, on loan to orient/gillingham/swindon...and quietly released after this season...
Try supporting him this season instead of slagging him off all the time then you might see a better player.
Truth hurts .... He's simply useless.
I cannot understand some peoples comments on here! I'm sorry but he really, simply, definitely, is not useless! I'm not he's greatest fan but come on man the man is a Welsh International footballer, his scoring record is not great I grant you but surely you can't criticise his work rate and help for his team. I really think if everyone got behind him and gave him a bit of support we might see an improved player. What good does constantly slagging off our own players??? I know everyone is entitled to their opinion and it is a public forum but I do find it a bit tiring and very counter productive........
For what it's worth this is "only" my opinion!!
COYR....
You get the feeling Church could get man of the match every week and he will still be slagged off. Certain people have their talons in him and there is nothing that can change that until he's hounded out. Just ask Kevin Lisbie , David Mooney and Simon Francis ( to name just a few ) who all went on to do well at clubs who's fans got behind them.
I understand Super Kev can only train a couple of times a week for O's, a division below us. Still put money on him to outscore Spongefoot at any level. At least he'd give a defender a hard time. Church is like a cartoon where he runs around, supposedly eluding the guard dog/cat until the crucial moment when he gets swatted against the wall. My most hated player since clean shorts. Stealing a living.
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I won't rush to judge Nego - he's either rated as a reserve right back or he's better off at another network club.
That Liege keeper looked handy - I wonder if he's available?
Some fans need to just have a think about where we are at.
It could be a different story tomorrow against lesser opposition.
Are we arguing about the kinds of judgements we're not making, or the tone with which we're not making them?
Finchy made the point that Standard are two weeks ahead of us in pre season and have already played a full 90 minute friendly.
Stupid, pointless "tournament", hope no one gets injured.
I cannot understand some peoples comments on here!
I'm sorry but he really, simply, definitely, is not useless! I'm not he's greatest fan but come on man the man is a Welsh International footballer, his scoring record is not great I grant you but surely you can't criticise his work rate and help for his team.
I really think if everyone got behind him and gave him a bit of support we might see an improved player. What good does constantly slagging off our own players???
I know everyone is entitled to their opinion and it is a public forum but I do find it a bit tiring and very counter productive........
For what it's worth this is "only" my opinion!!
COYR....
bloody Hell CL will be just white noise!
We are going up I say we are going up!
Hate the way the comms team refer to him as 'Nicky Pope'
Just ask Kevin Lisbie , David Mooney and Simon Francis ( to name just a few ) who all went on to do well at clubs who's fans got behind them.
But come on!!! He is awful.. He's had enough chances last season. Also hence why we have signed and been linked to many forwards.
If we have the same gripes, albeit with different players in just over s months time thats when we can moan.
How's that going?