Ugly bar-steward anyway......... The girls will have to find a new heart-throb now, and no, not Diego, far too young for the ladies on here :-)
Would rather Dervite had stayed but not the end of the world. As others have already said, it all depends on whether the net ins and outs improve the team/squad or weaken it further. RD and Katrien have done enough to earn my trust in respect of infrastructure improvements, now we'll see what they're made of when it comes to building a better team. They are reported to be aiming to do most of the player business by the end of June, so let's chill a while and see what happens.
Why didnt Roland make TJ and Slater sign these players on longer contracts, fecking hate Roland for this ................................. Oh he didnt own Charlton then, sorry my mistake.
I like Dervite and he is good for a goal or 2 a season, but he is not irreplaceable. If he stayed i'd be pleased, if he left i'd be disappointed but not majorly concerned. would be more concerned losing Morrison who is a better defender and needs someone solid (like a younger Cort) alongside him.
RD is a shrewd business and we will only offer these players what we think they are worth. It will mean that some will leave following the contract run-down debacle that was left by Jimenez, Slater & co.
Dervite, as he is, is a middling Championship centre back. If Bolton are prepared to pay more than us for his services then what can we really do about it? Let's move on, find a decent replacement and start afresh.
Vincent Tan is a shrewd businessman, David Gold and David Sullivan are shrewd businessmen, Ken Bates is a shrewd businessman, Karl Oyston is a shrewd businessman. "Shrewd businessman" does not not necessarily mean "Good football club chairman".
Dervite is indeed a "middling Championship centre back". As we've just finished pretty close to the bottom of the table, I'd say we'd be better off getting rid of our "bottom Championship players" and trying to keep hold of the ones who might get us a bit closer to the middle of the table next season.
I like Dervite and he is good for a goal or 2 a season, but he is not irreplaceable. If he stayed i'd be pleased, if he left i'd be disappointed but not majorly concerned. would be more concerned losing Morrison who is a better defender and needs someone solid (like a younger Cort) alongside him.
None of them are irreplaceable, IF we are looking to bring quality in. But RD hasn't so far.
Someone told me at Sheff W A, that Dervite had already agreed a move elsewhere.
I didn't repeat it, as I had no idea if it was true & it wasn't a good time to be spreading rumours.
that almost certainly wasn't true then, as, unless it's a foreign club a club can't start talking to out of contract players until the end of the season with their club's permission or 1 month from their contract expiry date. Not to say you didn't hear that, but it was almost certainly not true at the time.
I'm glad to hear no player is ever tapped up. I knew it was just a rumour, with no truth.
I like Dervite and he is good for a goal or 2 a season, but he is not irreplaceable. If he stayed i'd be pleased, if he left i'd be disappointed but not majorly concerned. would be more concerned losing Morrison who is a better defender and needs someone solid (like a younger Cort) alongside him.
None of them are irreplaceable, IF we are looking to bring quality in. But RD hasn't so far.
RD is a shrewd business and we will only offer these players what we think they are worth. It will mean that some will leave following the contract run-down debacle that was left by Jimenez, Slater & co.
Dervite, as he is, is a middling Championship centre back. If Bolton are prepared to pay more than us for his services then what can we really do about it? Let's move on, find a decent replacement and start afresh.
Vincent Tan is a shrewd businessman, David Gold and David Sullivan are shrewd businessmen, Ken Bates is a shrewd businessman, Karl Oyston is a shrewd businessman. "Shrewd businessman" does not not necessarily mean "Good football club chairman".
Dervite is indeed a "middling Championship centre back". As we've just finished pretty close to the bottom of the table, I'd say we'd be better off getting rid of our "bottom Championship players" and trying to keep hold of the ones who might get us a bit closer to the middle of the table next season.
Yes, which is why we offered him a contract. He didn't sign it. Is that RD's fault?
I know someone that knows him - he had an offer on the table and was waiting until the end of the season to see what else was offered. He was offered a 3 year contract but wanted 4
He was offered a new deal but it obviously wasn't as good as Bolton's
He was happy here and was "teacher's pet" under Riga so my concern now is that Riga isn't coming back either
Someone told me at Sheff W A, that Dervite had already agreed a move elsewhere.
I didn't repeat it, as I had no idea if it was true & it wasn't a good time to be spreading rumours.
that almost certainly wasn't true then, as, unless it's a foreign club a club can't start talking to out of contract players until the end of the season with their club's permission or 1 month from their contract expiry date. Not to say you didn't hear that, but it was almost certainly not true at the time.
I'm glad to hear no player is ever tapped up. I knew it was just a rumour, with no truth.
true, you can't stop players from talking to each other.
I like Dervite and he is good for a goal or 2 a season, but he is not irreplaceable. If he stayed i'd be pleased, if he left i'd be disappointed but not majorly concerned. would be more concerned losing Morrison who is a better defender and needs someone solid (like a younger Cort) alongside him.
None of them are irreplaceable, IF we are looking to bring quality in. But RD hasn't so far.
It is disappointing news as although not perfect (not great in the air) Dervite was a decent central defender, who could pass the ball. He appeared to fit well with Jose Riga's passing / possession philosophy. Now Charlton need another central defender to add to the list of players needed for a half decent strength team.
The lack of a head coach and news of Dervitte leaving, is not an encouraging start to the close season openings regarding playing transfers / contracts.
I would caution Charlton supporters to keep their heads though. There is still some time to go before Charlton supporters can really see what Roland's intentions are for the club. Saying that, I would like to see the head coach sorted and some evidence of players joining and strengthening the team. Signs of this will help reassure our Academy stars that it is worth staying with the club as there is some ambition.
RD is a shrewd business and we will only offer these players what we think they are worth. It will mean that some will leave following the contract run-down debacle that was left by Jimenez, Slater & co.
Dervite, as he is, is a middling Championship centre back. If Bolton are prepared to pay more than us for his services then what can we really do about it? Let's move on, find a decent replacement and start afresh.
Vincent Tan is a shrewd businessman, David Gold and David Sullivan are shrewd businessmen, Ken Bates is a shrewd businessman, Karl Oyston is a shrewd businessman. "Shrewd businessman" does not not necessarily mean "Good football club chairman".
Dervite is indeed a "middling Championship centre back". As we've just finished pretty close to the bottom of the table, I'd say we'd be better off getting rid of our "bottom Championship players" and trying to keep hold of the ones who might get us a bit closer to the middle of the table next season.
Yes, which is why we offered him a contract. He didn't sign it. Is that RD's fault?
Well I'd say yes it is RD's fault if he can't even match the offer of a club that's reported to be £170 million pounds in debt. It's one thing refusing to be held to ransom by footballers' wage demands, it's entirely another thing when you're in a league with Blackburn and Forest and you're trying to get away with paying Scunthorpe-level wages.
I wish someone would explain to me why we are letting this happen. Dervite says he wants to stay, we (the fans) want him to stay, and he's a decent, champ player... Why let him leave for free?
semedo wants to stay too.
I won't worry about who is leaving until I know who id arriving. If we get SL B team then I'll be worried.
With the exception of Poyet i don't think there is a single player in our squad who idvirre
I wish someone would explain to me why we are letting this happen. Dervite says he wants to stay, we (the fans) want him to stay, and he's a decent, champ player... Why let him leave for free?
semedo wants to stay too.
I won't worry about who is leaving until I know who id arriving. If we get SL B team then I'll be worried.
With the exception of Poyet i don't think there is a single player in our squad who idvirre
All of a sudden Dervite has turned into a young Franz Beckenbauer, do me a favour, a good lower level Championship player at best.
It also baffles me that people on here who want us to improve in terms of better football/league position/promotion want to keep the players that cannot do that for us. If we do not replace DD with a better player by all means slag off RD/CAFC, but only if/when that happens. BTW RD had nothing to do with DD's contract, that was TJ and MS so those with an agenda need to get their facts right.
RD is a shrewd businessman and we will only offer these players what we think they are worth. It will mean that some will leave following the contract run-down debacle that was left by Jimenez, Slater & co.
Dervite, as he is, is a middling Championship centre back. If Bolton are prepared to pay more than us for his services then what can we really do about it? Let's move on, find a decent replacement and start afresh.
This is the trouble though isn't it? We won't.
Why do you think that?
Because evidence so far suggests otherwise doesn't it? Where were the adequate replacements for Yann or Stephens?
I think it is wholly unfair to judge the new owners based on one January transfer window. A window where it is recognised that player values are masssively inflated. RD in the end managed to do enough to keep us in the division, despite perhaps underestimating it with his reinforcements from the network.
As a comparison, Slater & Jimenez joined in January of the 2010/11 season. We signed a bargain BWP from in-administration-Plymouth alongside loan signings of Dean Parrett, Frank Nouble, Fede Bessone and Nathan Ecclestone. Hardly the strongest indicator of the summer to come.
He's had a good end to the season and established himself with Cort out of the equation with injuries to both him and Wood but was not first choice until Riga arrived. I liked him and I'm sorry to see him go if Crawley is on the money but we move on as the decks are being cleared for the new Manager / Coach to build on. When CP signed 23 players in the summer of 2011 that didn't turn out too bad did it :-) Onwards and upwards COYRs
Powell inherited a basket case and did a superb job of transforming the playing squad on a minimal budget. Duchatelet inherited the core of a good squad that required minimal strengthening - so far he has removed some of our strongest players and replaced then with rubbish.
For L1 Powell had a very good budget, the likes of Wiggins, Morro, Taylor, Stephens. Hollands etc didn't join because they'd always dreamed of playing for Charlton...
It's widely quoted that he had the 5th highest budget in the division, so a decent budget but hardly a blank chequebook. If he was able to get Morrison to sign for us in League 1 then surely Roland isn't so hard up that he can't afford to keep him in the Championship.
But most managers didn't have the luxury of having money to spend, and being assemble a squad of their own choosing, with no inherited deadbeats with massive contracts that can't be shifted on.
Which isn't to say that Powell didn't do a brilliant job.
DD is a defender that Powell signed on a free with a 1 year contract. He did ok in that season, but was hardly a shining star, and was given another year. During most of this season he's been a squad player, indeed it's only been this last 2 months when he's looked anything special, so it's not as if he's been brilliant all season, indeed before his improvement in form came after TJ and MS had sold the club!
RD is a shrewd business and we will only offer these players what we think they are worth. It will mean that some will leave following the contract run-down debacle that was left by Jimenez, Slater & co.
Dervite, as he is, is a middling Championship centre back. If Bolton are prepared to pay more than us for his services then what can we really do about it? Let's move on, find a decent replacement and start afresh.
Vincent Tan is a shrewd businessman, David Gold and David Sullivan are shrewd businessmen, Ken Bates is a shrewd businessman, Karl Oyston is a shrewd businessman. "Shrewd businessman" does not not necessarily mean "Good football club chairman".
Dervite is indeed a "middling Championship centre back". As we've just finished pretty close to the bottom of the table, I'd say we'd be better off getting rid of our "bottom Championship players" and trying to keep hold of the ones who might get us a bit closer to the middle of the table next season.
Yes, which is why we offered him a contract. He didn't sign it. Is that RD's fault?
Well I'd say yes it is RD's fault if he can't even match the offer of a club that's reported to be £170 million pounds in debt. It's one thing refusing to be held to ransom by footballers' wage demands, it's entirely another thing when you're in a league with Blackburn and Forest and you're trying to get away with paying Scunthorpe-level wages.
Well it's unfortunate that we don't know what was offered by Bolton and what was offered by us or we could know for sure. One thing I do disagree with is that Bolton being £170m in debt would point to them still throwing the cash around with silly wage offers in the hope of getting back to the Premier League soon rather than the other way around.
RD is a shrewd business and we will only offer these players what we think they are worth. It will mean that some will leave following the contract run-down debacle that was left by Jimenez, Slater & co.
Dervite, as he is, is a middling Championship centre back. If Bolton are prepared to pay more than us for his services then what can we really do about it? Let's move on, find a decent replacement and start afresh.
Vincent Tan is a shrewd businessman, David Gold and David Sullivan are shrewd businessmen, Ken Bates is a shrewd businessman, Karl Oyston is a shrewd businessman. "Shrewd businessman" does not not necessarily mean "Good football club chairman".
Dervite is indeed a "middling Championship centre back". As we've just finished pretty close to the bottom of the table, I'd say we'd be better off getting rid of our "bottom Championship players" and trying to keep hold of the ones who might get us a bit closer to the middle of the table next season.
Yes, which is why we offered him a contract. He didn't sign it. Is that RD's fault?
Well I'd say yes it is RD's fault if he can't even match the offer of a club that's reported to be £170 million pounds in debt. It's one thing refusing to be held to ransom by footballers' wage demands, it's entirely another thing when you're in a league with Blackburn and Forest and you're trying to get away with paying Scunthorpe-level wages.
We don't know what Dervite was offered.
Real Madrid are £500M in debt aren't they, but I doubt we'd match their wages either ?
Have you ever wondered why Bolton are £170M in debt ?
Obviously micky mouse and silent tone are the real bumholes behind the out of contract squad. Roland would have known they were out of contract before he spunked 20 mil on us.
Im confident he has a plan. Time will tell if it works.
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Would rather Dervite had stayed but not the end of the world. As others have already said, it all depends on whether the net ins and outs improve the team/squad or weaken it further. RD and Katrien have done enough to earn my trust in respect of infrastructure improvements, now we'll see what they're made of when it comes to building a better team. They are reported to be aiming to do most of the player business by the end of June, so let's chill a while and see what happens.
Dervite is indeed a "middling Championship centre back". As we've just finished pretty close to the bottom of the table, I'd say we'd be better off getting rid of our "bottom Championship players" and trying to keep hold of the ones who might get us a bit closer to the middle of the table next season.
He was offered a new deal but it obviously wasn't as good as Bolton's
He was happy here and was "teacher's pet" under Riga so my concern now is that Riga isn't coming back either
The lack of a head coach and news of Dervitte leaving, is not an encouraging start to the close season openings regarding playing transfers / contracts.
I would caution Charlton supporters to keep their heads though. There is still some time to go before Charlton supporters can really see what Roland's intentions are for the club. Saying that, I would like to see the head coach sorted and some evidence of players joining and strengthening the team. Signs of this will help reassure our Academy stars that it is worth staying with the club as there is some ambition.
I won't worry about who is leaving until I know who id arriving. If we get SL B team then I'll be worried.
With the exception of Poyet i don't think there is a single player in our squad who idvirre
I won't worry about who is leaving until I know who id arriving. If we get SL B team then I'll be worried.
With the exception of Poyet i don't think there is a single player in our squad who idvirre
It also baffles me that people on here who want us to improve in terms of better football/league position/promotion want to keep the players that cannot do that for us. If we do not replace DD with a better player by all means slag off RD/CAFC, but only if/when that happens. BTW RD had nothing to do with DD's contract, that was TJ and MS so those with an agenda need to get their facts right.
As a comparison, Slater & Jimenez joined in January of the 2010/11 season. We signed a bargain BWP from in-administration-Plymouth alongside loan signings of Dean Parrett, Frank Nouble, Fede Bessone and Nathan Ecclestone. Hardly the strongest indicator of the summer to come.
But most managers didn't have the luxury of having money to spend, and being assemble a squad of their own choosing, with no inherited deadbeats with massive contracts that can't be shifted on.
Which isn't to say that Powell didn't do a brilliant job.
DD is a defender that Powell signed on a free with a 1 year contract. He did ok in that season, but was hardly a shining star, and was given another year. During most of this season he's been a squad player, indeed it's only been this last 2 months when he's looked anything special, so it's not as if he's been brilliant all season, indeed before his improvement in form came after TJ and MS had sold the club!
Real Madrid are £500M in debt aren't they, but I doubt we'd match their wages either ?
Have you ever wondered why Bolton are £170M in debt ?
Probably because their wages are too high ?
Im confident he has a plan. Time will tell if it works.