Off to work now (ouch... Pain!) but I was talking to him for about an hour and shared one or seven beers with him so I'll post later.
To be honest mate, if there were revealing conversations, I don't think you should share them.
I'm guessing he would feel anything he told you was in confidence and it could have the effect of making other players clam up in front of fans who they know a little better. Also, your girlfriend isn't going to be best pleased.
Just keep your own counsel (if, indeed, he said anything of substance) - it won't change the outcome for the rest of us, most of whom I would imagine think he's going to leave.
He has already fixed himself up with a premiership team - of that I am sure. Only waiting for contract to expire in June. What a classless way to start your career.
Where was the class in letting his contract run down?
I assumed the deciding factor for Poyet was if he got relegated or not. I expected, once we confirmed we were staying up, that a contract would be signed fairly quickly.
Poyet knows there is a host of clubs that would take him and probably pay him higher wages.
I still think the best option for Poyet himself is to stay here and develop as a player.
I assumed the deciding factor for Poyet was if he got relegated or not. I expected, once we confirmed we were staying up, that a contract would be signed fairly quickly.
Poyet knows there is a host of clubs that would take him and probably pay him higher wages.
I still think the best option for Poyet himself is to stay here and develop as a player.
He, like the rest of us, probably thought we would have Jose Riga as manager. Not some nobody who he has never heard of.
I really feel the need to vent my spleen as I read this thread further and further.
Can those who are on it, please get off Diego's back?
Lets put some perspective on the situation:
What we actually know:
1. His contract expires at the end of June. 2. He's at a club where there is considerable uncertainty about what shape the future will hold although it's clear there is a future. 3. We have a new head coach who is not a known quantity in the English game. 4. He's a young lad with no dependents and clearly observable talent
Here's what we don't know:
1. What has been offered to him by way of a new contract. 2. What he thinks of Bob Peeters and the way in which the club is being run. 3. Which other clubs have approached him (for surely they will have) and what they have to offer. 4. What he actually wants.
*** Everything else is pure speculation ***
Why are we starting to say that if he leaves we'll have a poor opinion of him? Why is that questioning his loyalty to the club? He has a long and fruitful career ahead of him and no ties to keep him anywhere. All the lad wants to do is play good football for goodness sake - it's what he loves to do! If he cannot develop himself well at CAFC then of course he has every right to do it where he will get the best opportunities to do so.
Please get off his back. Let him decide what he wants to do.
The onus is on CAFC to make him an offer that's acceptable. If the powers that be want him, they will find a way to keep him. Simple as.
I'm slagging off what I think - I am sure- he will do - if he doesn't the criticism doesn't apply.
To be fair Muttley, if you're wrong then I'd say the criticism would still apply, but to you.
To be fair this is the same Muttley that, whilst on a train, devised a better system for penalty training than any previous England manager. So, you know.....
I'm slagging off what I think - I am sure- he will do - if he doesn't the criticism doesn't apply.
To be fair Muttley, if you're wrong then I'd say the criticism would still apply, but to you.
To be fair this is the same Muttley that, whilst on a train, devised a better system for penalty training than any previous England manager. So, you know.....
Lol. By the way Muttley, nothing personal, just seems like you've assassinated his character a bit too soon.
Okay But Poyet situation is not really as "simple as" is it. I enjoyed his rant but annoying to end it like that.. If diego doesnt want to stay how can the powers that be find a way to keep him apart from offer ludicrous money. Which i doubt they will, quite rightly in my opinion.
I assumed the deciding factor for Poyet was if he got relegated or not. I expected, once we confirmed we were staying up, that a contract would be signed fairly quickly.
Poyet knows there is a host of clubs that would take him and probably pay him higher wages.
I still think the best option for Poyet himself is to stay here and develop as a player.
He, like the rest of us, probably thought we would have Jose Riga as manager. Not some nobody who he has never heard of.
Just try and imagine this in the real world. You know your employer dumps a lot of staff in the summer and they tell you that they'll work out if you're required then. In the interim period you do really well and a lot of people offer you a job on better money. Why do football fans believe that players owe them loyalty that isn't reciprocated ? The club kept its options open and now as a result Diego has his options open. It's not fair, Curbit, of you to say only ludicrous money would keep him. None of us know, but I suspect that market value or a timely contract offer would have been just as effective as a bath full of twenty pound notes.
On balance, I think there is more chance of Simon Church playing for Real Madrid next season that Diego Poyet playing for a team with no centre-backs and welcoming their third manager in six months.
Okay But Poyet situation is not really as "simple as" is it. I enjoyed his rant but annoying to end it like that.. If diego doesnt want to stay how can the powers that be find a way to keep him apart from offer ludicrous money. Which i doubt they will, quite rightly in my opinion.
Apologies if I've annoyed you Curb_It, but I'm just saying it as I see it.
I do disagree with you that ludicrous money will retain his services as I think there is more to any job contract than the money on offer. For all we know the money could be decent for someone fresh out of the Academy and onto the first team! If the other terms and conditions don't measure up to what he needs, then you can bet your bottom dollar he'll be off to somewhere that does.
On balance, I think there is more chance of Simon Church playing for Real Madrid next season that Diego Poyet playing for a team with no centre-backs and welcoming their third manager in six months.
Just try and imagine this in the real world. You know your employer dumps a lot of staff in the summer and they tell you that they'll work out if you're required then. In the interim period you do really well and a lot of people offer you a job on better money. Why do football fans believe that players owe them loyalty that isn't reciprocated ? The club kept its options open and now as a result Diego has his options open. It's not fair, Curbit, of you to say only ludicrous money would keep him. None of us know, but I suspect that market value or a timely contract offer would have been just as effective as a bath full of twenty pound notes.
For the record, Im not expecting any loyalty from him. I dont blame him if he wants to go on elsewhere rather than stay at our basket case of a club.
My suggestion is surely if he were going to sign he would have signed by now so perhaps the only way we could change his mind is by offering ludicrous money?
Just try and imagine this in the real world. You know your employer dumps a lot of staff in the summer and they tell you that they'll work out if you're required then. In the interim period you do really well and a lot of people offer you a job on better money. Why do football fans believe that players owe them loyalty that isn't reciprocated ? The club kept its options open and now as a result Diego has his options open. It's not fair, Curbit, of you to say only ludicrous money would keep him. None of us know, but I suspect that market value or a timely contract offer would have been just as effective as a bath full of twenty pound notes.
Fair dos but you have to add in that the employer had previously sponsored you through A levels and university with no legal obligation to pay back. Slightly affects the relationship in your scenario.
Football fans love homegrown players. I can understand why they would be miffed. I hope the move, when it happens, isnt dressed up with
"I would have stayed with Powell" "I would have stayed with Riga" "I am not convinved by the Owner"
All 3 reasons would be, IMO, a long way from the real reason.
Just try and imagine this in the real world. You know your employer dumps a lot of staff in the summer and they tell you that they'll work out if you're required then. In the interim period you do really well and a lot of people offer you a job on better money. Why do football fans believe that players owe them loyalty that isn't reciprocated ? The club kept its options open and now as a result Diego has his options open. It's not fair, Curbit, of you to say only ludicrous money would keep him. None of us know, but I suspect that market value or a timely contract offer would have been just as effective as a bath full of twenty pound notes.
Fair dos but you have to add in that the employer had previously sponsored you through A levels and university with no legal obligation to pay back. Slightly affects the relationship in your scenario.
Football fans love homegrown players. I can understand why they would be miffed. I hope the move, when it happens, isnt dressed up with
"I would have stayed with Powell" "I would have stayed with Riga" "I am not convinved by the Owner"
All 3 reasons would be, IMO, a long way from the real reason.
Arguably the footballer commits to the club in a unique lifestyle process and tailors his academic years around the apprenticeship with no guarantee of a job at the end - released players
He needs to be playing with better players. Maybe he's waiting to see if that will happen at Charlton. If so I don't expect him to find out before his contract expires.
But I would then still say that the club has invested in them, even those that dont make the grade.
Also, not many disciplines left in the normal world with a guaranteed job at the end of training.
Its a hard nosed scenario, this human traffic of young lads. Ten a penny they are, 20 good games later and they are the 2nd coming (literally in DPs case....go on jesus lad)
I really feel the need to vent my spleen as I read this thread further and further.
Can those who are on it, please get off Diego's back?
Lets put some perspective on the situation:
What we actually know:
1. His contract expires at the end of June. 2. He's at a club where there is considerable uncertainty about what shape the future will hold although it's clear there is a future. 3. We have a new head coach who is not a known quantity in the English game. 4. He's a young lad with no dependents and clearly observable talent
Here's what we don't know:
1. What has been offered to him by way of a new contract. 2. What he thinks of Bob Peeters and the way in which the club is being run. 3. Which other clubs have approached him (for surely they will have) and what they have to offer. 4. What he actually wants.
*** Everything else is pure speculation ***
Why are we starting to say that if he leaves we'll have a poor opinion of him? Why is that questioning his loyalty to the club? He has a long and fruitful career ahead of him and no ties to keep him anywhere. All the lad wants to do is play good football for goodness sake - it's what he loves to do! If he cannot develop himself well at CAFC then of course he has every right to do it where he will get the best opportunities to do so.
Please get off his back. Let him decide what he wants to do.
The onus is on CAFC to make him an offer that's acceptable. If the powers that be want him, they will find a way to keep him. Simple as.
Thank you. Rant over.
Absolutely spot on IMO
Roland get your cheque book out, fantastic investment....
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I'm guessing he would feel anything he told you was in confidence and it could have the effect of making other players clam up in front of fans who they know a little better. Also, your girlfriend isn't going to be best pleased.
Just keep your own counsel (if, indeed, he said anything of substance) - it won't change the outcome for the rest of us, most of whom I would imagine think he's going to leave.
When a player decides to move on when their contract expires, that's also classless.
They simply can't win!
I thought he would have signed by now.
I assumed the deciding factor for Poyet was if he got relegated or not. I expected, once we confirmed we were staying up, that a contract would be signed fairly quickly.
Poyet knows there is a host of clubs that would take him and probably pay him higher wages.
I still think the best option for Poyet himself is to stay here and develop as a player.
And if there are no longer in the club's plans at the end of the contract they are let go and dismissed as "dead wood" by some.
Yes, some players get very well rewarded for doing something they enjoy but it is a cruel profession.
Can those who are on it, please get off Diego's back?
Lets put some perspective on the situation:
What we actually know:
1. His contract expires at the end of June.
2. He's at a club where there is considerable uncertainty about what shape the future will hold although it's clear there is a future.
3. We have a new head coach who is not a known quantity in the English game.
4. He's a young lad with no dependents and clearly observable talent
Here's what we don't know:
1. What has been offered to him by way of a new contract.
2. What he thinks of Bob Peeters and the way in which the club is being run.
3. Which other clubs have approached him (for surely they will have) and what they have to offer.
4. What he actually wants.
*** Everything else is pure speculation ***
Why are we starting to say that if he leaves we'll have a poor opinion of him? Why is that questioning his loyalty to the club?
He has a long and fruitful career ahead of him and no ties to keep him anywhere. All the lad wants to do is play good football for goodness sake - it's what he loves to do! If he cannot develop himself well at CAFC then of course he has every right to do it where he will get the best opportunities to do so.
Please get off his back. Let him decide what he wants to do.
The onus is on CAFC to make him an offer that's acceptable. If the powers that be want him, they will find a way to keep him.
Simple as.
Thank you. Rant over.
Simple as."
Simple as?? Simple as keeping Scott Parker would you say? Or as simple as keeping Jermaine Defoe perhaps?
By the way Muttley, nothing personal, just seems like you've assassinated his character a bit too soon.
On balance, I think there is more chance of Simon Church playing for Real Madrid next season that Diego Poyet playing for a team with no centre-backs and welcoming their third manager in six months.
I do disagree with you that ludicrous money will retain his services as I think there is more to any job contract than the money on offer. For all we know the money could be decent for someone fresh out of the Academy and onto the first team! If the other terms and conditions don't measure up to what he needs, then you can bet your bottom dollar he'll be off to somewhere that does.
My suggestion is surely if he were going to sign he would have signed by now so perhaps the only way we could change his mind is by offering ludicrous money?
Football fans love homegrown players. I can understand why they would be miffed. I hope the move, when it happens, isnt dressed up with
"I would have stayed with Powell"
"I would have stayed with Riga"
"I am not convinved by the Owner"
All 3 reasons would be, IMO, a long way from the real reason.
Also, not many disciplines left in the normal world with a guaranteed job at the end of training.
Its a hard nosed scenario, this human traffic of young lads. Ten a penny they are, 20 good games later and they are the 2nd coming (literally in DPs case....go on jesus lad)
Roland get your cheque book out, fantastic investment....