One of the aims of CAS Trust is to get a representative onto the board but here we are almost having to beg just to get a meeting with Katrien. Doesn't that concern people ?
By saying "Beg" shouldnt you really be saying, request? Do you think she should drop everything right now? Come on get real, she is a busy lady that has only been in the job a couple of months and exactly the same has happened in the past trying to tie down even RM for a FF meeting as he had other commitments. Im all for fair crticism, but youre hardly being fair with your post.
Well i'm a Trust member, yet i don't see any problem with this at the moment.
Don't really understand why most people see the need to rush to make instant judgements, either supportive or against, without knowing more. I'm prepared to wait and see where this is going before making a judgement one way or another, and certainly don't see anything being 'damaged'.
Dan, we know each other fairly well, so what Im about to say should be taken within the spirit that is intended..... I really dont see that anyone has made an instant judgement here...informed mostly I would say. Im correct in stating that one of the 21 headed up a thread encouraging people to boycott season tickets.......you dont see that as damaging in any way? really? He then appears to be the person forming up the exclusively selected 21 and then posts a statement which however way you look at it undermines Cast...you cant put a positive spin on that....either have a trust and use it or dont bother frankly. I had the utmost respect for a lot of these guys back in the day....but its not 1988 and RE in particular has shot himself in the foot for me with all the antics in the past year or so.....yeah I still have respect for what he did, but none at all for what he is doing here now. The lack of response I fear is a tactic, the old divide and conqueror strategy....Steve Dixon after many years of being anonymous has graced us with his presence, but its taken a poster to another forum to paste up his opinion...one which again is as yet unfounded and I too dont really care if we have foreign players in the side as long as they can play a bit (Id prefer to see our youngsters carry on making the grade as they are currently and I dont see that changing unlike the old premiership years). Dan, if you cant see the damage being done then frankly Im astounded mate, I know you have to be diplomatic here and respect that, but youve already indeed made a judgement as you cant see the damage being done by this group of individuals and the split they have already caused in your readership here. Ask yourself where these people were when we really was in danger of going down the plughole in the last 5-6 years. I personally dont want any group that makes threats or advocates financial harm to the club representing me as a supporter of Charlton and I think a fair percentage here feel the same.
One of the aims of CAS Trust is to get a representative onto the board but here we are almost having to beg just to get a meeting with Katrien. Doesn't that concern people ?
By saying "Beg" shouldnt you really be saying, request? Do you think she should drop everything right now? Come on get real, she is a busy lady that has only been in the job a couple of months and exactly the same has happened in the past trying to tie down even RM for a FF meeting as he had other commitments. Im all for fair crticism, but youre hardly being fair with your post.
Of course there have historically been timing issues. But at least we got to see and question RM on a regular basis. Under the toxic twins communications nose dived and now we seem happy just to get an interview with Katrien. Why are we not pushing for an interview with RD and is one of the aims still to get a supporters representative onto the board?
I'm genuinely not sure what the Trust is doing or planning to do. I've read the latest TNT 5 edition and it is not clear at all. I just feel it is all a bit too complacent and compliant at the moment. But I fully accept that it has to satisfy a broad spectrum of opinion and this is a difficult task.
One of the aims of CAS Trust is to get a representative onto the board but here we are almost having to beg just to get a meeting with Katrien. Doesn't that concern people ?
By saying "Beg" shouldnt you really be saying, request? Do you think she should drop everything right now? Come on get real, she is a busy lady that has only been in the job a couple of months and exactly the same has happened in the past trying to tie down even RM for a FF meeting as he had other commitments. Im all for fair crticism, but youre hardly being fair with your post.
Of course there have historically been timing issues. But at least we got to see and question RM on a regular basis. Under the toxic twins communications nose dived and now we seem happy just to get an interview with Katrien. Why are we not pushing for an interview with RD and is one of the aims still to get a supporters representative onto the board?
I was led to believe that the FF have regular meetings and that Trust members were invited. Give it time, Im sure it will all settle down....its very early days and already the communications from within the club is a hundred times better than the last lot. Why not apply for the position on the trust board? You can have some direct input that way. Just a suggestion.
As an aside....RM only showed up once to a FF meeting when I was involved and he pretty much said that if people didnt like it they should put their money where there mouth is....strange but true.
Thank you Richard for the clarification. At least the Trust has the decency to respond to the initial queries raised on this thread.
Can you please confirm what the objection of the G21 was moving this forward under the Trust banner? I assume both Richard and Ken disagreed with this?
For what it's worth, and I accept that that is dick all, this particular Addick (and CAS Trust member) strongly urges the CAS Trust to continue to extend the hand of co-operation to the "Oak Group" ("G21") and similarly urges each member of the Oak Group to think very carefully indeed before pursuing dialogue with the Club independently of CAS Trust and, instead, to work with and through the Trust for the interests of all Addicks. United we can achieve a great deal. Divided - nothing.
The fact the statement has taken time in being prepared before being published shows a real step change from the trust that first was born, you should be recognised for that guys as before it was more reactive and passionate not that the passion is missing just better controlled
I know you met last night and it can not have been an easy meeting with such a topic needing addressing
You need to continue on this journey having differing opinions and objections to ensure the trust is fully diverse and reflective
It is this reason I believe that the G21 do not wish to fall under the trust umbrella
But in such an early stage of discussion and observation of RD's control its the right way
Unless there is something not being shared to all fans
Like tel says this won't change G21's approach they will in essence carry on regardless because their approach as afka says is the bad cop approach
The fact that those trust members in attendance where either not made aware of the evidence that may be available or they didn't agree with it Shows caution needs to be used in how we approach the new era of cafc and its relationship between fan and owner
For now I would say we should just focus on survival and then be vigulant pre season hopefully in the championship
4 former directors, ex-members of staff, a solicitor, a senior civil servant, 2 respected local reporters and others who are both well known and valued amongst supporters . They are self appointed and have launched themselves in a somewhat inept manner IMO. But they have earned their CAFC colours and given my current state of unease and trepidation, I am delighted that they exist. I hope that the Trust isn't effectively forcing me to make a choice and that it is relaxed about those of its members who wish to support both initiatives?
Maybe I've lost the plot on Paddy's suggestion to use an algorithm to sort contributions into best first/worst last or most popular/least read orders or whatever. But isn't the timeline of posts actually more important? Without seeing stuff in the order in which it was posted doesn't one lose contact with the actual debating process and the natural progression that brings to a topic? Or, indeed, reality! Doesn't it just become an unreadable confusing mess?
4 former directors, ex-members of staff, a solicitor, a senior civil servant, 2 respected local reporters and others who are both well known and valued amongst supporters . They are self appointed and have launched themselves in a somewhat inept manner IMO. But they have earned their CAFC colours and given my current state of unease and trepidation, I am delighted that they exist. I hope that the Trust isn't effectively forcing me to make a choice and that it is relaxed about those of its members who wish to support both initiatives?
The trust forcing me to make a choice? What about the other lot?
If the other group had gone through the trust in the first place, then we would have a stronger trust and one voice. You still would have had a choice to follow the trust or not, but now appears to be a choice of what group do I follow that are going to ask the same questions anyway.
Thank you to Barney and the Trust Board for being measured, considerate and transparent in your approach. Here's now hoping for similar rationality and candour from G21.
OK gotcha. They can still work together. I just want to support both of them and I want some answers. I really don't care who gets them but I suspect it is going to take a lot of digging as I don't think RD is going to answer any of our questions with any degree of openness. When it comes to digging up information, who do people think is most likely to succeed? If I am proved to be way off beam, I will be very happy indeed.
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I really dont see that anyone has made an instant judgement here...informed mostly I would say. Im correct in stating that one of the 21 headed up a thread encouraging people to boycott season tickets.......you dont see that as damaging in any way? really? He then appears to be the person forming up the exclusively selected 21 and then posts a statement which however way you look at it undermines Cast...you cant put a positive spin on that....either have a trust and use it or dont bother frankly. I had the utmost respect for a lot of these guys back in the day....but its not 1988 and RE in particular has shot himself in the foot for me with all the antics in the past year or so.....yeah I still have respect for what he did, but none at all for what he is doing here now. The lack of response I fear is a tactic, the old divide and conqueror strategy....Steve Dixon after many years of being anonymous has graced us with his presence, but its taken a poster to another forum to paste up his opinion...one which again is as yet unfounded and I too dont really care if we have foreign players in the side as long as they can play a bit (Id prefer to see our youngsters carry on making the grade as they are currently and I dont see that changing unlike the old premiership years). Dan, if you cant see the damage being done then frankly Im astounded mate, I know you have to be diplomatic here and respect that, but youve already indeed made a judgement as you cant see the damage being done by this group of individuals and the split they have already caused in your readership here. Ask yourself where these people were when we really was in danger of going down the plughole in the last 5-6 years. I personally dont want any group that makes threats or advocates financial harm to the club representing me as a supporter of Charlton and I think a fair percentage here feel the same.
A lot of talk and opinions but to be fair not that much real information regarding the subject of the thread.
I think the man everyone wants some sort of response from is @AirmanBrown
As an aside....RM only showed up once to a FF meeting when I was involved and he pretty much said that if people didnt like it they should put their money where there mouth is....strange but true.
http://www.castrust.org/2014/03/oak-group-response/
Thanks
Can you please confirm what the objection of the G21 was moving this forward under the Trust banner? I assume both Richard and Ken disagreed with this?
United we can achieve a great deal. Divided - nothing.
I know you met last night and it can not have been an easy meeting with such a topic needing addressing
You need to continue on this journey having differing opinions and objections to ensure the trust is fully diverse and reflective
It is this reason I believe that the G21 do not wish to fall under the trust umbrella
But in such an early stage of discussion and observation of RD's control its the right way
Unless there is something not being shared to all fans
Like tel says this won't change G21's approach they will in essence carry on regardless because their approach as afka says is the bad cop approach
The fact that those trust members in attendance where either not made aware of the evidence that may be available or they didn't agree with it
Shows caution needs to be used in how we approach the new era of cafc and its relationship between fan and owner
For now I would say we should just focus on survival and then be vigulant pre season hopefully in the championship
They are self appointed and have launched themselves in a somewhat inept manner IMO. But they have earned their CAFC colours and given my current state of unease and trepidation, I am delighted that they exist. I hope that the Trust isn't effectively forcing me to make a choice and that it is relaxed about those of its members who wish to support both initiatives?
But isn't the timeline of posts actually more important? Without seeing stuff in the order in which it was posted doesn't one lose contact with the actual debating process and the natural progression that brings to a topic? Or, indeed, reality! Doesn't it just become an unreadable confusing mess?