I still don't see why RD would have anything to do with this new supporters group. I feel he would be more likely to deal with a properly constituted supporters trust. If I was him I would ignore random groups 20 or so supporters who want a chat, no matter who those 20 people are or what their past history with the club is.
If he does decide to entertain this group I feel the trust is a busted flush - why bother if RD will engage with just about anyone?
So so far the board members of the Trust who have posted have stated they are happy with things and see no conflict of interest with working with/alongside/against the new group and do not believe it undermines them. The people who are seeing a conflict of interested or undermining are people not on the Trust Board and don't have to work with/alongside/against the new group.
I've paid my fiver to the trust and happy to go along with their judgement until events and actions prove otherwise. Will be interesting to see how things play out.
vff you are being a touch naive if you feel the new group "are just asking a few questions".
After those questions, are you expecting them to say thanks & then just drop things ?
Maybe so (to both parts). Depends on the answers they get, if they get a discussion, then they will feed back and give an opinion. I guess those in the Supporters Group can best answer that. Ultimately, RD has bought the club and he is playing out his strategy. What is there to be done at this point, but to see the evidence and make an informed decision ? Hopefully, he wants the majority of Charlton supporters to renew STs and over the 3 to 6 months, and engages and we will see the great things planned out for the club as hinted about on ITTV. One step at a time.
those of the 21 not already in the trust should join now and should become influential in direction trust is going to take along with all other members
The new group want action and wish to force through action should they feel thar RD doesn't play ball
Some have already said ST boycott how could the trust sanction this act that would damage the club and the integrity of the trust in its relationship with cafc
The answers to all the questions will be available in the VOTV
There is a distinct lack of answers and posting on here from some very prominant posters of charlton life and that to me is disapointing
As these posters have good opinions on most things
Afka henry prague and others all missing with opinion
I would like their views especially PA as he is a trust board member a highly respect and vocal supporter of why we need a trust has great insight into marketing but seems to agree that this is not damaging to the trust
So far I see no reason why this group of knowledgable addicks with a history of pulling together feels that this group can not work from within the trust
Or why RD is considered a greater risk than TJ and MS
DRaddick there is a political game being played out there are prominant members of the trust that have posted on this thread their fears and concerns with this group
So a Trust Board member and a signatory to the 'supergroups' statement has been on this thread, busy ticking 'like' on certain posts and yet hasn't posted a single answer to the pertinent questions asked.
So if all the G21 joined the trust and all became elected board members would this then be acceptable for the G21 under the guise of the Trust to ask for a meeting
I think it may be too big a board but some are already on the board and that's why I find it hard to understand why this couldn't be led by the trust and why it seems such a hit against the trust
I was disappointed that the new group felt it had to lead the charge on an issue that the Trust had already started to tackle and had publicly stated what actions it was taking.
I am puzzled that the Trust, on the one hand, seems to be paying scrupulous attention to acting in a way that is in line with supporters’ views, and yet, on the other hand, is supportive of an initiative that cuts across such democratic procedure.
I am concerned that the new group is undermining the democratic process and the Trust is in danger of doing so as well if it decides to passively stand aside while the new group takes centre stage without democratic legitimacy.
Spot on I aint for blowing smoke up posters arses but I think there's a very good line in the sand in the validity of what people say and mundell and grapevine are the barometer of that
So if all the G21 joined the trust and all became elected board members would this then be acceptable for the G21 under the guise of the Trust to ask for a meeting
So if all the G21 joined the trust and all became elected board members would this then be acceptable for the G21 under the guise of the Trust to ask for a meeting
Yes - and they don't even have to be Board members to put forward legitimate questions to be asked of RD/KM.
But the Trust already have a face to face meeting planned with KM - I assume that isn't enough for this 'supergroup'.
"This group is not intended to be exclusive. An invitation has been extended to Charlton Life" I must have missed that.
"to seek a constructive and positive dialogue with the new owner of the club"
Already being carried out by the Trust.
"the group is seeking an urgent face-to-face meeting with Roland Duchatelet or Katrien Miere in order try to get a better understanding of the owner’s intentions" Again, already being done by the Trust.
"If we are unable to enter into a useful dialogue with the owner or his representative then it is our intention to call a public meeting in early April to take matters forward" So regardless of how the dialouge goes with the Trust a 'public meeting' will be held. No doubt in camera.
"with particular reference to the achievements that we have all had working together with the club over the last 25 years" So can we have a list of these achievements in the last three to five years, which is probably more pertinent?
"In the meantime, we want to let fans know that we are all coming together for the good of the club and that however they are feeling about the current situation there are experienced and committed people working behind the scenes to improve it". What the hell do you think the Trust has been doing the past year?
"This group is not intended to be exclusive" Do me a favour. It's about as inclusive as The Bilderberg Group .
some great points there that need to be answered by the OP
I also think the fact no one has said why RD is more dangerous to cafc than TJ and MS who for some reason AB was able to feed the negatives of their stewardship quite freely has been forth coming as to why these fans of prominence in our history now feel the need to create a group leads to a cynical view that its to sell copy of the VOTV
I can totally understand both sides of the argument, as I am neither a supporter of the G21 or a member of the Trust, I don't really understand how this undermines the Trust in anyway. If it wasn't for the fact of it being AB and other Valley party members I don't believe the undermining issue would even come into it. If it was myself, Walshie and PL54 + 14 who decided this was the best course of action after our Rotherham rendezvous I'm sure there wouldn't be this kind of resentment of the Trust for letting it go ahead, instead the mocking would be aimed at us The Rotherham 17! The trust have said the board members in attendance have put their names to the statement because they were being honest in letting people know they were there and gaining intelligence on what the group wanted doing & saying. They feel (The Trust) this in no way undermines them then that is good enough for me and would in no way affect the way I felt about the trust, in fact quite the opposite, I am now considering joining the Trust out of the respect that they have shown to all fans in that they do in fact listen to all fans and abide to a strict democratic code and don't just jump in gung ho rattling on peoples doors.
"The purpose of the meeting was to try to establish a temporary umbrella group from which to seek a constructive and positive dialogue with the new owner of the club and if that does not prove possible then to create a basis to recommend and to co-ordinate any appropriate action to respond to events."
Any chance of dialogue being extended to this thread?
FYI, I am a member of the Trust and I support their aims & objectives. I'm also a member of the Eltham Addicks and will quite cheerfully join any other supporters group (if they want me) providing their aims and intentions are genuine.
Any group of people, large or small, with the best interests of CAFC is alright with me.
why has this group formed now in the wake of RD yet it felt that there was no need under TJ and MS when things on the surface were so much worse, what info can be shared as to why there is a need now, there must be some as it seems quite a forth right action,
"to seek a constructive and positive dialogue with the new owner of the club"
I'm sensing some irony here. When many of "the 21" who are lurking all over this thread, will not provide any constructive or positive dialogue on a discussion that they started.
If you're not going to talk, because you feel it's for the best, at least tell us, that you will post again, in due course after perhaps further discussions with the trust on Monday ?
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If he does decide to entertain this group I feel the trust is a busted flush - why bother if RD will engage with just about anyone?
The people who are seeing a conflict of interested or undermining are people not on the Trust Board and don't have to work with/alongside/against the new group.
I've paid my fiver to the trust and happy to go along with their judgement until events and actions prove otherwise. Will be interesting to see how things play out.
Carry on grinding long enough and you're left with a stick.
Some have already said ST boycott how could the trust sanction this act that would damage the club and the integrity of the trust in its relationship with cafc
The answers to all the questions will be available in the VOTV
There is a distinct lack of answers and posting on here from some very prominant posters of charlton life and that to me is disapointing
As these posters have good opinions on most things
Afka henry prague and others all missing with opinion
I would like their views especially PA as he is a trust board member a highly respect and vocal supporter of why we need a trust has great insight into marketing but seems to agree that this is not damaging to the trust
So far I see no reason why this group of knowledgable addicks with a history of pulling together feels that this group can not work from within the trust
Or why RD is considered a greater risk than TJ and MS
I find the silence deafening
Perhaps there's more to marketing than I thought.
I am puzzled that the Trust, on the one hand, seems to be paying scrupulous attention to acting in a way that is in line with supporters’ views, and yet, on the other hand, is supportive of an initiative that cuts across such democratic procedure.
I am concerned that the new group is undermining the democratic process and the Trust is in danger of doing so as well if it decides to passively stand aside while the new group takes centre stage without democratic legitimacy.
I suspect some of them, may well have already been invited to do so.
What you have is a number of people that love to lead from the front & love to have a cause to fight. They thrive on it.
Now there is nothing wrong with that, if you have a worthy and timely cause.
But there has to be a worthy and timely cause.
If you already have an adequate mechanism in place, then it is not needed at the present time.
If the mechanism in place, proves not to be adequate, then we have a different scenario.
If Grapevine49 & Mundell Fleming think they should hold fire, then I believe that I am correct and they should.
(Sorry guys, but you two are the voices of reason).
But the Trust already have a face to face meeting planned with KM - I assume that isn't enough for this 'supergroup'.
"This group is not intended to be exclusive. An invitation has been extended to Charlton Life"
I must have missed that.
"to seek a constructive and positive dialogue with the new owner of the club"
Already being carried out by the Trust.
"the group is seeking an urgent face-to-face meeting with Roland Duchatelet or Katrien Miere in order try to get a better understanding of the owner’s intentions"
Again, already being done by the Trust.
"If we are unable to enter into a useful dialogue with the owner or his representative then it is our intention to call a public meeting in early April to take matters forward"
So regardless of how the dialouge goes with the Trust a 'public meeting' will be held. No doubt in camera.
"with particular reference to the achievements that we have all had working together with the club over the last 25 years"
So can we have a list of these achievements in the last three to five years, which is probably more pertinent?
"In the meantime, we want to let fans know that we are all coming together for the good of the club and that however they are feeling about the current situation there are experienced and committed people working behind the scenes to improve it".
What the hell do you think the Trust has been doing the past year?
"This group is not intended to be exclusive"
Do me a favour. It's about as inclusive as The Bilderberg Group .
I also think the fact no one has said why RD is more dangerous to cafc than TJ and MS who for some reason AB was able to feed the negatives of their stewardship quite freely has been forth coming as to why these fans of prominence in our history now feel the need to create a group leads to a cynical view that its to sell copy of the VOTV
If it was myself, Walshie and PL54 + 14 who decided this was the best course of action after our Rotherham rendezvous I'm sure there wouldn't be this kind of resentment of the Trust for letting it go ahead, instead the mocking would be aimed at us The Rotherham 17!
The trust have said the board members in attendance have put their names to the statement because they were being honest in letting people know they were there and gaining intelligence on what the group wanted doing & saying.
They feel (The Trust) this in no way undermines them then that is good enough for me and would in no way affect the way I felt about the trust, in fact quite the opposite, I am now considering joining the Trust out of the respect that they have shown to all fans in that they do in fact listen to all fans and abide to a strict democratic code and don't just jump in gung ho rattling on peoples doors.
When is the meeting with Kate and Rolly?
Do you have an agenda / set of Issues .. will you share it with the Trust membership?
Will you raise questions on behalf of the Supporters group?
Will you feed back in detail to the membership / supporter base
why now
what do you know
why not via the trust
and you would've no doubt answered the fact there has been no answer makes you wonder why
Our meeting was limited coz the bloody bus driver wanted to get home!
Any chance of dialogue being extended to this thread?
FYI, I am a member of the Trust and I support their aims & objectives. I'm also a member of the Eltham Addicks and will quite cheerfully join any other supporters group (if they want me) providing their aims and intentions are genuine.
Any group of people, large or small, with the best interests of CAFC is alright with me.
I'm a large person who has the best interest of CAFC.
2 questions for you.
Can you please explain, why the "supporter's group's" questions, cannot be put through the trust ?
If that is not successful then, yes let's look again.
Also, what is so concerning the group, that other supporters are unaware of ?
why has this group formed now in the wake of RD yet it felt that there was no need under TJ and MS when things on the surface were so much worse, what info can be shared as to why there is a need now, there must be some as it seems quite a forth right action,
I'm sensing some irony here. When many of "the 21" who are lurking all over this thread, will not provide any constructive or positive dialogue on a discussion that they started.
If you're not going to talk, because you feel it's for the best, at least tell us, that you will post again, in due course after perhaps further discussions with the trust on Monday ?