I'm suspicious of this "network" business. If, for example, next year Poyet is doing well for us and a Liege midfielder is suddenly injured, what's to stop Duchatelet hauling Poyet off on loan to Belgium for a tilt at the Champions' League and fobbing us off with a rookie from Carl Zeiss Jena as a "replacement"?
I think Airman made a very important observation the other day when he noted that we finished the game at Leicester with not a single Roland signing on the pitch. It's two months since the takeover, and I haven't seen any indication that we are better equipped to avoid relegation.
Having endured a truly dismal standard of football for the best part of two seasons, I want to see some ACTION, and I want it quickly.
Ok, a short transcript from the interview itself below. Personally I think if it was Richard Murray saying this we'd probably have little problem with it. We don't know RD, and I think that's a bit part of the concern. That said, it does sound from what he's saying that he's not at Charlton with an urgency for Premier League football, which may perhaps suggest the network is being built for Standard Liege's benefit. But it can't be just that if he's considering a sale. Evidence at SL so far is that he will reinvest transfer funds to a break even point, which means we'll need to get used to selling our best players to enhance the squad. A bit like selling Mills to bring in Kiely, Shields and Stuart, perhaps.
Can you assure fans that the promising players that come through this academy will get their chance here at the Valley rather than being taken to Belgium to try and help Standard Liege get into the Champions League?
Yes, well, for example to have the experience to play Champions League - it is very very interesting you say this but Charlton in this way is the only club in the championship who can offer this possibility to some youngsters that they may play Champions League...with Standard Liege (somehow!). That will depend on whether the player likes it, of course, but this club also needs to make some money at a given point and it's not to be excluded that some players will be sold to Standard Liege, and play Champions League.
You look at this purely as a business don't you.
In fact, not at all. I think football is too great to be just a business. Of course there is a business side to the football in the sense that at the end of every season you have to count the money and see whether the money you got in is enough to pay the expenses, and you know few clubs do so. I intend to do so.
If you were able to take Charlton into the Premier League, in financial terms that would be worth far more than taking Standard Liege into the Champions League. It would make sense to make Charlton your priority would it not?
Yes, but in general my main concern is not so much this or that. If it has to be done it should be done from this management and they are responsible to do it in a responsible way, a responsible way being we don't want to lose a lot of money by trying to do so but we do want to give changes to younger players and so forth. It has to be a natural thing to happen than to try to do it with a lot of money, that's not what we will do.
-He mentions that there is the possibility of our best players going to Liege, which is fair enough - we are essentially a feeder club and Liege is big enough to be a parent club for us. -We will benefit from loans in, as evident by Astrit and co. coming in this year. -RD wont force anything, eg. by pumping money into one of the clubs or completely stripping all assets into a single club. -If we venture into the EPL, we could shift to become the priority. That would obviously be more lucrative than Liege in the Champions League. -He will aim to break even and make profits at all clubs.
I would be more worried if I was the Hungarian, Spanish or German club! Even Liege fans are unhappy that we may become the priority...
We obviously sold Kerm and Dale to balance the cheque book. Really interested to be part of this project.
Yes we have really benefited from the loans in so far haven't we, Astrit & co have made a big difference?
Maybe I should be a pessimist like yourself and achieve nothing in the process? Try to think of our club as a business and you will understand how RD will proceed with us. CP will have players of Championship quality.
We have already benefitted from the Liege loans in because we:
a) Made profit from transfers. b) Paid next to nothing for the loans.
And I prefer us actually having a chance in the Championship, than going into Admin and being docked 10 points!
still doesn't answer the question for me about who gets the talent, and seems stacked for the bigger club which given the resources already in place is always likely to be Liege.
it's not to be excluded that some players will be sold to Standard Liege, and play Champions League.
He cannot mean that word, sold, literally. He does not want to sell players to himself . One part of him will get ripped off :-)
He ought to clarify what kind of transaction will take place. Will there really be money paid from Standard to Charlton in such a case? Who will decide what a 'fair' price would be in such a case?
Up until now his financial success has been based on getting other clubs to pay him good money for players, and replacing them with players that cost him nothing as they come through the academy. That is a quite different business model to trading players within a network. Yes global companies do employ transfer pricing to make transactions between their national units. I just do not think that this is really what he intends here.
To be honest, I don't think he has thought that part through himself yet. He's got this vision, but there may be some pesky details, some of which might just turn out to be more than just details...
-He mentions that there is the possibility of our best players going to Liege, which is fair enough - we are essentially a feeder club and Liege is big enough to be a parent club for us. -We will benefit from loans in, as evident by Astrit and co. coming in this year. -RD wont force anything, eg. by pumping money into one of the clubs or completely stripping all assets into a single club. -If we venture into the EPL, we could shift to become the priority. That would obviously be more lucrative than Liege in the Champions League. -He will aim to break even and make profits at all clubs.
I would be more worried if I was the Hungarian, Spanish or German club! Even Liege fans are unhappy that we may become the priority...
We obviously sold Kerm and Dale to balance the cheque book. Really interested to be part of this project.
Yes we have really benefited from the loans in so far haven't we, Astrit & co have made a big difference?
Maybe I should be a pessimist like yourself and achieve nothing in the process? Try to think of our club as a business and you will understand how RD will proceed with us. CP will have players of Championship quality.
We have already benefitted from the Liege loans in because we:
a) Made profit from transfers. b) Paid next to nothing for the loans.
And I prefer us actually having a chance in the Championship, than going into Admin and being docked 10 points!
That profit line might not look so strong in May !
-He mentions that there is the possibility of our best players going to Liege, which is fair enough - we are essentially a feeder club and Liege is big enough to be a parent club for us. -We will benefit from loans in, as evident by Astrit and co. coming in this year. -RD wont force anything, eg. by pumping money into one of the clubs or completely stripping all assets into a single club. -If we venture into the EPL, we could shift to become the priority. That would obviously be more lucrative than Liege in the Champions League. -He will aim to break even and make profits at all clubs.
I would be more worried if I was the Hungarian, Spanish or German club! Even Liege fans are unhappy that we may become the priority...
We obviously sold Kerm and Dale to balance the cheque book. Really interested to be part of this project.
Yes we have really benefited from the loans in so far haven't we, Astrit & co have made a big difference?
Maybe I should be a pessimist like yourself and achieve nothing in the process? Try to think of our club as a business and you will understand how RD will proceed with us. CP will have players of Championship quality.
We have already benefitted from the Liege loans in because we:
a) Made profit from transfers. b) Paid next to nothing for the loans.
And I prefer us actually having a chance in the Championship, than going into Admin and being docked 10 points!
I was not being pessimistic, I was stating a fact, the players we have sold have been replaced with lesser players therefore we are weaker now than we were a month ago. And all this at a time when we are in the fight of our lives to avoid relegation.
How do you know we made a profit on the transfers and paid next to nothing for the loans, can you point me to where this information is in print?
I cannot see where the take over has given us any more of a chance of playing Championship football next season, as stated above the team is weaker now than it was a month ago.
goes on to say clubs must sell to break even or some such, and that this may mean being sold to Liege if I understand it correctly
But that is ridiculous, as a business model. Who is going to pay more for Jordan Cousins in two years time? Standard or Liverpool? Liverpool of course because:
- the price for English players in the FAPL is artificially high - RD has already said that he hates paying big money transfers.
So Charlton need to break even according to RD. So sell a good young player, according to RD. So sell Cousins to Liverpool for 8m according to RD. No wait, lets sell him to Standard for 1m, because the owner of Standard doesnt pay silly money. But he's the owner of Charlton too, and that's 7m loss he has to cover.
If you sell from one club you own to another it is just a book entry. What I dont like is being a feeder club forSL We will just get their hand me downs while our best players will leave. Will it be enough tomove us forward as a club?
Agree with Prague here, i don't think we need to worry about our best players going to Liege. If Liverpool offered 8m for Cousins, then Cousins would leave for Liverpool.
goes on to say clubs must sell to break even or some such, and that this may mean being sold to Liege if I understand it correctly
But that is ridiculous, as a business model. Who is going to pay more for Jordan Cousins in two years time? Standard or Liverpool? Liverpool of course because:
- the price for English players in the FAPL is artificially high - RD has already said that he hates paying big money transfers.
So Charlton need to break even according to RD. So sell a good young player, according to RD. So sell Cousins to Liverpool for 8m according to RD. No wait, lets sell him to Standard for 1m, because the owner of Standard doesnt pay silly money. But he's the owner of Charlton too, and that's 7m loss he has to cover.
Does nobody else see the absurdity of this?
It is absurd Prague, but as I have already said when the buyer and seller are the same person the books can be "balanced". I do not agree with your calculation as it will not result in a "loss" it will be "lost profit".
Whilst the idea of selling Cousins to Liverpool for 8m sounds good for us as fans RD will be looking at balancing the books for both the selling club and the buying club.
I doubt he would want SL to fork 8m for Cousins so they pay us 1m making their books look OK, we receive the 1m plus lose a wage on the books thus making our books look OK.
SL get an exciting 8m player at a fraction of the price, we get an unexciting loan in return or promote another kid up from the academy.
er yup unless something is lost in translation here (seriously)..
Tend to support this line, but one of the reasons that SL fans protested was because this 'model' was used then. Nothing against young player's in fact I am very keen on that, but first things first we are in a relegation battle? Yes I know they cannot be sold till the summer, if we stay up, do we not need these players..... I thought that we would strengthen the squad to kick on and rebuild in the summer. Perhaps the programme will put things in some sort of context? I support CAFC, and frankly his other club's are of little interest to me, which is probably why I am somewhat doubtful. Not sure I want a 'visionary'
whatever happens RD says in that interview 'if the player wants to go' so everyone chill out nothing is going to be forced on any player
It looks to me as if some of the players we have been sent from his stable have been told to come here so what makes you so sure it will not happen the other way round.
-He mentions that there is the possibility of our best players going to Liege, which is fair enough - we are essentially a feeder club and Liege is big enough to be a parent club for us. -We will benefit from loans in, as evident by Astrit and co. coming in this year. -RD wont force anything, eg. by pumping money into one of the clubs or completely stripping all assets into a single club. -If we venture into the EPL, we could shift to become the priority. That would obviously be more lucrative than Liege in the Champions League. -He will aim to break even and make profits at all clubs.
I would be more worried if I was the Hungarian, Spanish or German club! Even Liege fans are unhappy that we may become the priority...
We obviously sold Kerm and Dale to balance the cheque book. Really interested to be part of this project.
Yes we have really benefited from the loans in so far haven't we, Astrit & co have made a big difference?
Maybe I should be a pessimist like yourself and achieve nothing in the process? Try to think of our club as a business and you will understand how RD will proceed with us. CP will have players of Championship quality.
We have already benefitted from the Liege loans in because we:
a) Made profit from transfers. b) Paid next to nothing for the loans.
And I prefer us actually having a chance in the Championship, than going into Admin and being docked 10 points!
I was not being pessimistic, I was stating a fact, the players we have sold have been replaced with lesser players therefore we are weaker now than we were a month ago. And all this at a time when we are in the fight of our lives to avoid relegation.
How do you know we made a profit on the transfers and paid next to nothing for the loans, can you point me to where this information is in print?
I cannot see where the take over has given us any more of a chance of playing Championship football next season, as stated above the team is weaker now than it was a month ago.
With all due respect though, that's not fact, it's opinion.
In my personal opinion, Astrit is stronger than Stephens has been this season, and I feel that Reza has the potential to be a stronger player than Kermorgant given his age.
Obviously you disagree and that's fine, but I get a bit fed up with people stating as fact that we are a weaker team than we were in December. I think it still remains to be seen.
Agree with Prague here, i don't think we need to worry about our best players going to Liege. If Liverpool offered 8m for Cousins, then Cousins would leave for Liverpool.
And this is entirely my issue with the network.
Charlton develop Cousins
Charlton sell Cousins for £8m
(potentially) £5m could then be earmarked for Standard Leige, £2m for Alcorcon, £1m for the hungarian mob, and zip all for Charlton, because it looks like there may be a Cousins replacement already identified coming through from the youth.
goes on to say clubs must sell to break even or some such, and that this may mean being sold to Liege if I understand it correctly
But that is ridiculous, as a business model. Who is going to pay more for Jordan Cousins in two years time? Standard or Liverpool? Liverpool of course because:
- the price for English players in the FAPL is artificially high - RD has already said that he hates paying big money transfers.
So Charlton need to break even according to RD. So sell a good young player, according to RD. So sell Cousins to Liverpool for 8m according to RD. No wait, lets sell him to Standard for 1m, because the owner of Standard doesnt pay silly money. But he's the owner of Charlton too, and that's 7m loss he has to cover.
Does nobody else see the absurdity of this?
It is absurd Prague, but as I have already said when the buyer and seller are the same person the books can be "balanced". I do not agree with your calculation as it will not result in a "loss" it will be "lost profit".
Whilst the idea of selling Cousins to Liverpool for 8m sounds good for us as fans RD will be looking at balancing the books for both the selling club and the buying club.
I doubt he would want SL to fork 8m for Cousins so they pay us 1m making their books look OK, we receive the 1m plus lose a wage on the books thus making our books look OK.
SL get an exciting 8m player at a fraction of the price, we get an unexciting loan in return or promote another kid up from the academy.
But that scenario only works for RD the "businessman" if the arrival of Cousins significantly improves Standard's UCL performance. However, if Charlton are 8m in debt, and need to break even, as RD dictates, then according to the previous RD strategy you clear the debts by selling one of your top young players. But if he has hijacked the best young player to Standard, he's still sitting on most of Charlton's debt. Getting his wages off the books will not clear that debt, will it?
whatever happens RD says in that interview 'if the player wants to go' so everyone chill out nothing is going to be forced on any player
It looks to me as if some of the players we have been sent from his stable have been told to come here so what makes you so sure it will not happen the other way round.
because ibrahima cisse and dudu biton were both requested to come here and both said no so they didnt come
Most of the interview is not unexpected stuff and probably what other owners of Charlton have thought but not openly said it in the press. If we need to break even and we can do that by selling a player we will do that. Always have and always will. Until we are in a position to be able to afford to keep our players while running the club at a loss this will need to happen. Until the likes of Poyet and Cousins (with the exception of Solly and a couple of others) we have not really had any players worthy of a decent fee that would help us break even. I don't honestly think RD would sell anyone on the cheap just to scrape some pennies together. Thats just a feeling not based on anything.
If we could survive in the Championship this season and make a challenge for the promotion next season we may be in a different position. As it stands if we get relegated we will end up selling our better players and have to start again. Some players may want to go because they don't want to play in League One, others may have an offer put in for them that we can simply not turn down. As much as i loathe the fact that we will lose our best players (and to be honest this season thats not many of the current squad) its gonna happen.
I am concerned about the statement saying players who are not good enough for liege yet will come to us because we don't know if they would be any good for us either. However AA was deemed not good enough for SL but personally i think he has looked good for us. There will be hits and misses with this approach and until things settle down in the squad, management and backroom its still very twitchy times.
I just want to avoid relegation this season and see what happens in the close season.
another difference with England and elsewhere is the structural issues which mean we cannot break even without selling an awful lot of talent we may not have, and there will be a point when we have no-one to flog
So we rely on cheap loans from the network, hardly the independent clubs vision portrayed, and that must surely run dry too?
It just all seems a bit muddled an contradictory to me
-He mentions that there is the possibility of our best players going to Liege, which is fair enough - we are essentially a feeder club and Liege is big enough to be a parent club for us. -We will benefit from loans in, as evident by Astrit and co. coming in this year. -RD wont force anything, eg. by pumping money into one of the clubs or completely stripping all assets into a single club. -If we venture into the EPL, we could shift to become the priority. That would obviously be more lucrative than Liege in the Champions League. -He will aim to break even and make profits at all clubs.
I would be more worried if I was the Hungarian, Spanish or German club! Even Liege fans are unhappy that we may become the priority...
We obviously sold Kerm and Dale to balance the cheque book. Really interested to be part of this project.
Yes we have really benefited from the loans in so far haven't we, Astrit & co have made a big difference?
Maybe I should be a pessimist like yourself and achieve nothing in the process? Try to think of our club as a business and you will understand how RD will proceed with us. CP will have players of Championship quality.
We have already benefitted from the Liege loans in because we:
a) Made profit from transfers. b) Paid next to nothing for the loans.
And I prefer us actually having a chance in the Championship, than going into Admin and being docked 10 points!
I was not being pessimistic, I was stating a fact, the players we have sold have been replaced with lesser players therefore we are weaker now than we were a month ago. And all this at a time when we are in the fight of our lives to avoid relegation.
How do you know we made a profit on the transfers and paid next to nothing for the loans, can you point me to where this information is in print?
I cannot see where the take over has given us any more of a chance of playing Championship football next season, as stated above the team is weaker now than it was a month ago.
With all due respect though, that's not fact, it's opinion.
In my personal opinion, Astrit is stronger than Stephens has been this season, and I feel that Reza has the potential to be a stronger player than Kermorgant given his age.
Obviously you disagree and that's fine, but I get a bit fed up with people stating as fact that we are a weaker team than we were in December. I think it still remains to be seen.
I do not feel we have the benefit of time for Reza to show he has the potential "given his age", you speak as if you are planning for next season. I am afraid next season will be in League 1 unless we get some players in with Championship experience and ready to fight.
But as you say we are disagreeing so lets leave it there.
Agree with Prague here, i don't think we need to worry about our best players going to Liege. If Liverpool offered 8m for Cousins, then Cousins would leave for Liverpool.
-He mentions that there is the possibility of our best players going to Liege, which is fair enough - we are essentially a feeder club and Liege is big enough to be a parent club for us. -We will benefit from loans in, as evident by Astrit and co. coming in this year. -RD wont force anything, eg. by pumping money into one of the clubs or completely stripping all assets into a single club. -If we venture into the EPL, we could shift to become the priority. That would obviously be more lucrative than Liege in the Champions League. -He will aim to break even and make profits at all clubs.
I would be more worried if I was the Hungarian, Spanish or German club! Even Liege fans are unhappy that we may become the priority...
We obviously sold Kerm and Dale to balance the cheque book. Really interested to be part of this project.
Yes we have really benefited from the loans in so far haven't we, Astrit & co have made a big difference?
Maybe I should be a pessimist like yourself and achieve nothing in the process? Try to think of our club as a business and you will understand how RD will proceed with us. CP will have players of Championship quality.
We have already benefitted from the Liege loans in because we:
a) Made profit from transfers. b) Paid next to nothing for the loans.
And I prefer us actually having a chance in the Championship, than going into Admin and being docked 10 points!
I was not being pessimistic, I was stating a fact, the players we have sold have been replaced with lesser players therefore we are weaker now than we were a month ago. And all this at a time when we are in the fight of our lives to avoid relegation.
How do you know we made a profit on the transfers and paid next to nothing for the loans, can you point me to where this information is in print?
I cannot see where the take over has given us any more of a chance of playing Championship football next season, as stated above the team is weaker now than it was a month ago.
With all due respect though, that's not fact, it's opinion.
In my personal opinion, Astrit is stronger than Stephens has been this season, and I feel that Reza has the potential to be a stronger player than Kermorgant given his age.
Obviously you disagree and that's fine, but I get a bit fed up with people stating as fact that we are a weaker team than we were in December. I think it still remains to be seen.
I do not feel we have the benefit of time for Reza to show he has the potential "given his age", you speak as if you are planning for next season. I am afraid next season will be in League 1 unless we get some players in with Championship experience and ready to fight.
But as you say we are disagreeing so lets leave it there.
The age comment was in relation to Kermorgant - he was looking decidedly tired in his last few appearances. But I take your point.
-He mentions that there is the possibility of our best players going to Liege, which is fair enough - we are essentially a feeder club and Liege is big enough to be a parent club for us. -We will benefit from loans in, as evident by Astrit and co. coming in this year. -RD wont force anything, eg. by pumping money into one of the clubs or completely stripping all assets into a single club. -If we venture into the EPL, we could shift to become the priority. That would obviously be more lucrative than Liege in the Champions League. -He will aim to break even and make profits at all clubs.
I would be more worried if I was the Hungarian, Spanish or German club! Even Liege fans are unhappy that we may become the priority...
We obviously sold Kerm and Dale to balance the cheque book. Really interested to be part of this project.
Yes we have really benefited from the loans in so far haven't we, Astrit & co have made a big difference?
Maybe I should be a pessimist like yourself and achieve nothing in the process? Try to think of our club as a business and you will understand how RD will proceed with us. CP will have players of Championship quality.
We have already benefitted from the Liege loans in because we:
a) Made profit from transfers. b) Paid next to nothing for the loans.
And I prefer us actually having a chance in the Championship, than going into Admin and being docked 10 points!
I was not being pessimistic, I was stating a fact, the players we have sold have been replaced with lesser players therefore we are weaker now than we were a month ago. And all this at a time when we are in the fight of our lives to avoid relegation.
How do you know we made a profit on the transfers and paid next to nothing for the loans, can you point me to where this information is in print?
I cannot see where the take over has given us any more of a chance of playing Championship football next season, as stated above the team is weaker now than it was a month ago.
With all due respect though, that's not fact, it's opinion.
In my personal opinion, Astrit is stronger than Stephens has been this season, and I feel that Reza has the potential to be a stronger player than Kermorgant given his age.
Obviously you disagree and that's fine, but I get a bit fed up with people stating as fact that we are a weaker team than we were in December. I think it still remains to be seen.
I do not feel we have the benefit of time for Reza to show he has the potential "given his age", you speak as if you are planning for next season. I am afraid next season will be in League 1 unless we get some players in with Championship experience and ready to fight.
But as you say we are disagreeing so lets leave it there.
The age comment was in relation to Kermorgant - he was looking decidedly tired in his last few appearances. But I take your point.
There are a lot of tired looking people at The Valley including CP, mainly due to all the uncertainty, Yann looked full of beans on Sat
Agree with Prague here, i don't think we need to worry about our best players going to Liege. If Liverpool offered 8m for Cousins, then Cousins would leave for Liverpool.
And this is entirely my issue with the network.
Charlton develop Cousins
Charlton sell Cousins for £8m
(potentially) £5m could then be earmarked for Standard Leige, £2m for Alcorcon, £1m for the hungarian mob, and zip all for Charlton, because it looks like there may be a Cousins replacement already identified coming through from the youth.
We are simply a branch off an organogram
Fair point but this could also apply vice versa though if Liege sell Ezekiel and Batshuayi in the summer.
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I think Airman made a very important observation the other day when he noted that we finished the game at Leicester with not a single Roland signing on the pitch. It's two months since the takeover, and I haven't seen any indication that we are better equipped to avoid relegation.
Having endured a truly dismal standard of football for the best part of two seasons, I want to see some ACTION, and I want it quickly.
Can you assure fans that the promising players that come through this academy will get their chance here at the Valley rather than being taken to Belgium to try and help Standard Liege get into the Champions League?
Yes, well, for example to have the experience to play Champions League - it is very very interesting you say this but Charlton in this way is the only club in the championship who can offer this possibility to some youngsters that they may play Champions League...with Standard Liege (somehow!). That will depend on whether the player likes it, of course, but this club also needs to make some money at a given point and it's not to be excluded that some players will be sold to Standard Liege, and play Champions League.
You look at this purely as a business don't you.
In fact, not at all. I think football is too great to be just a business. Of course there is a business side to the football in the sense that at the end of every season you have to count the money and see whether the money you got in is enough to pay the expenses, and you know few clubs do so. I intend to do so.
If you were able to take Charlton into the Premier League, in financial terms that would be worth far more than taking Standard Liege into the Champions League. It would make sense to make Charlton your priority would it not?
Yes, but in general my main concern is not so much this or that. If it has to be done it should be done from this management and they are responsible to do it in a responsible way, a responsible way being we don't want to lose a lot of money by trying to do so but we do want to give changes to younger players and so forth. It has to be a natural thing to happen than to try to do it with a lot of money, that's not what we will do.
We have already benefitted from the Liege loans in because we:
a) Made profit from transfers.
b) Paid next to nothing for the loans.
And I prefer us actually having a chance in the Championship, than going into Admin and being docked 10 points!
it's not to be excluded that some players will be sold to Standard Liege, and play Champions League.
He cannot mean that word, sold, literally. He does not want to sell players to himself . One part of him will get ripped off :-)
He ought to clarify what kind of transaction will take place. Will there really be money paid from Standard to Charlton in such a case? Who will decide what a 'fair' price would be in such a case?
Up until now his financial success has been based on getting other clubs to pay him good money for players, and replacing them with players that cost him nothing as they come through the academy. That is a quite different business model to trading players within a network. Yes global companies do employ transfer pricing to make transactions between their national units. I just do not think that this is really what he intends here.
To be honest, I don't think he has thought that part through himself yet. He's got this vision, but there may be some pesky details, some of which might just turn out to be more than just details...
How do you know we made a profit on the transfers and paid next to nothing for the loans, can you point me to where this information is in print?
I cannot see where the take over has given us any more of a chance of playing Championship football next season, as stated above the team is weaker now than it was a month ago.
- the price for English players in the FAPL is artificially high
- RD has already said that he hates paying big money transfers.
So Charlton need to break even according to RD. So sell a good young player, according to RD. So sell Cousins to Liverpool for 8m according to RD. No wait, lets sell him to Standard for 1m, because the owner of Standard doesnt pay silly money. But he's the owner of Charlton too, and that's 7m loss he has to cover.
Does nobody else see the absurdity of this?
We will just get their hand me downs while our best players will leave. Will it be enough tomove us forward as a club?
Whilst the idea of selling Cousins to Liverpool for 8m sounds good for us as fans RD will be looking at balancing the books for both the selling club and the buying club.
I doubt he would want SL to fork 8m for Cousins so they pay us 1m making their books look OK, we receive the 1m plus lose a wage on the books thus making our books look OK.
SL get an exciting 8m player at a fraction of the price, we get an unexciting loan in return or promote another kid up from the academy.
Nothing against young player's in fact I am very keen on that, but first things first we are in a relegation battle?
Yes I know they cannot be sold till the summer, if we stay up, do we not need these players.....
I thought that we would strengthen the squad to kick on and rebuild in the summer.
Perhaps the programme will put things in some sort of context?
I support CAFC, and frankly his other club's are of little interest to me, which is probably why I am somewhat doubtful.
Not sure I want a 'visionary'
In my personal opinion, Astrit is stronger than Stephens has been this season, and I feel that Reza has the potential to be a stronger player than Kermorgant given his age.
Obviously you disagree and that's fine, but I get a bit fed up with people stating as fact that we are a weaker team than we were in December. I think it still remains to be seen.
Charlton develop Cousins
Charlton sell Cousins for £8m
(potentially) £5m could then be earmarked for Standard Leige, £2m for Alcorcon, £1m for the hungarian mob, and zip all for Charlton, because it looks like there may be a Cousins replacement already identified coming through from the youth.
We are simply a branch off an organogram
because ibrahima cisse and dudu biton were both requested to come here and both said no so they didnt come
If we could survive in the Championship this season and make a challenge for the promotion next season we may be in a different position. As it stands if we get relegated we will end up selling our better players and have to start again. Some players may want to go because they don't want to play in League One, others may have an offer put in for them that we can simply not turn down. As much as i loathe the fact that we will lose our best players (and to be honest this season thats not many of the current squad) its gonna happen.
I am concerned about the statement saying players who are not good enough for liege yet will come to us because we don't know if they would be any good for us either. However AA was deemed not good enough for SL but personally i think he has looked good for us. There will be hits and misses with this approach and until things settle down in the squad, management and backroom its still very twitchy times.
I just want to avoid relegation this season and see what happens in the close season.
So we rely on cheap loans from the network, hardly the independent clubs vision portrayed, and that must surely run dry too?
It just all seems a bit muddled an contradictory to me
But as you say we are disagreeing so lets leave it there.
First recorded use of this word on CL.
Has AFKA been on a management course?
Fair point but this could also apply vice versa though if Liege sell Ezekiel and Batshuayi in the summer.